Irish Domain Registry Banning Adult Domains 222
Karate Sid writes "An Irish adult website has blogged about the Irish domain registry banning adult domain names, including porn.ie and pornography.ie. The IEDR's reasoning is that the words 'porn' and 'pornography' are offensive and immoral. Of interest is how Sex.ie took legal action against the IEDR — and proved that neither word is offensive — yet still lost the case, as the IEDR are the highest authority in Ireland when it comes to deciding what is and isn't an offensive domain."
It's a shame (Score:5, Funny)
Really a shame on this. I'd argue that we need more Irish porn in the world :(.
Oop! Here we go! (Score:4, Funny)
Really a shame on this. I'd argue that we need more Irish porn in the world :(.
Such as....
Oh God! I'm done.
Addition (Score:2, Funny)
Princess she-lay-lee and the seven black Irish Dwarves!
(Stumpy, Baldy, Sleazy, Seamy, Kinky, Weirdo, and everyone's favorite dwarf, Erectile Dysfunction.)
Re:Oop! Here we go! (Score:5, Funny)
you forgot the following classics:
Real Sluts 9
and
Provisional Lollipops 3
and
Continuity Blondes 4
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You need to watch more Family Guy. :D
Re:It's a shame (Score:4, Funny)
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tl;dr
can you try and keep your trolls short, i mean "i just shat an obama" see below, is short, to the point (horrendous display of stupidity and racism) and even partially successful as people will take a second to reply to the troll.
What they really mean to say is... (Score:5, Funny)
Irish Domain Registry Banning Porn Sites
So they're getting rid of the internet?
Cool (Score:2)
Nice to know that stupidity isn't restricted to one country.
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With its debt being about eleven times [timesonline.co.uk] their GDP, which is huge even by European standards, Ireland may, indeed, be considered "civilized"... But only by those, who share the America's Administration vision of civilization...
And abortions are still prohibited [guardian.co.uk]. Unbeknown to most of Bono's "liberal" fans, moaning: "Why can't the US be more like Europe?"
Name vs. content (Score:5, Funny)
So this only applies to the domain name, and not the content, right?
Is there anything offensive about the name "goatse"?
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probably not, but goatse.ie really doesn't have the same ring to it.
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probably not, but goatse.ie really doesn't have the same ring to it.
and goats.ie is taken http://goats.ie/ [goats.ie] (don't look at it!)
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Is there anything offensive about the name "goatse"?
I believe you mean goats.ie
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1) Free publicity
2) More profit
Darn! (Score:4, Funny)
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by the way, isn't it already April 1 in Ireland?
Hmm, UTC/GMT +1 currently, so yes by nearly an hour at the time you posted.
Where do I go to register .ie domains, and can foreigners to Ireland register domains?
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Answered my own question, so I'll share: iedr.ie
All applicants applying for a .ie domain name who are not situated in the 32 counties of Ireland, must demonstrate a Real and Substantive Connection with Ireland (with the exception of those applying with a registered Community Trademark)
Examples of acceptable documentation demonstrating substantial trade or commercial activity within Ireland are as follows:
Bonus! (Score:2)
$ whois hairp.ie
.ie domain name.
% Rights restricted by copyright;
http://www.domainregistry.ie/copyright.html
% Do not remove this notice
% Not Registered - The domain you have requested is not a registered
$
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by the way, isn't it already April 1 in Ireland?
[liar paradox] Yes. [/liar paradox]
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How about pornograph.ie? (Score:2, Funny)
Or, maybe not.
Re:How about pornograph.ie? (Score:5, Funny)
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Wouldn't applep.ie be more appropriate?
IEDR's a basket case (Score:2, Insightful)
Hmmm.... (Score:5, Funny)
I guess i shouldn't bother with my idea for ShitPissFuckCuntCocksuckerMotherfuckerTits.ie then, Huh?
-Taylor
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I guess i shouldn't bother with my idea for ShitPissFuckCuntCocksuckerMotherfuckerTits.ie then, Huh? -Taylor
Only if you take the word Cocksucker out. Apparently, umpires and the Irish are the two groups you don't want to offend with this word...
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You might get away with DefecateUrinateVaginaPenisaspiratorMothercopulatorBreasts.ie
Or maybe just breasts.ie ?
Too bad (Score:2)
Good for them! (Score:5, Funny)
This is slashdot. Anything with IE in it is dirty and disgusting and offensive and downright immoral.
BTW, next they'll be banning slashdot.ie because it contains the word "slash", which is reminiscent of Jack the Ripper and violence in general. They've already banned OJ's domain - (W - W - W -SLASH - SLASH - BACKSLASH - SLASH DOT EYE EEE).
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Is Jack the Ripper really the dodgiest connotation you can come up with for "slash"?
Reminds me of Goatse (Score:3, Interesting)
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yeah but that was banned for content NOT just the name.
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Sounds like a case of "my turf my rules".
I would rather ireland be dictatorial about IE than have some half-assed international committee try to worm its way in...particularly since that committee is likely to have hidden wolves of corporate interest backing it up.
I''ve had it with this censorship bullshit. (Score:2, Insightful)
It seems like every day on the front page is another story of how some gov't or corporation or religious group is trying - and succeeding - to destroy free speech. I just can't grok how stupid and greedy people are that they will stifle one of the greatest ideals in the world because they are offended/moremoneymoremoney/think of the children! C'mon people, the more you can deal with reality the more you can grow and learn. Censorship breeds weak minded individuals.
I'm not trying to troll but I'm so damn t
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That is the goal, easier to control. Can't rock the boat!...someone might fall in and discover they love swimming!
Barely, but just so.
Heres an idea! (Score:5, Insightful)
If it offends you, don't type it into the damned address bar.
.IE Always Been Crap (Score:5, Informative)
I had dealings with the .IE crowd back in the early-mid-90s trying to set up some domains. At the time it was being run by a small cabal of jumped-up sysadmins-turned-pointy-haired-bosses hidden away in University College Dublin (one of the larger public universities in Ireland). They blocked basically every application for any domain name that was any way lucrative, exciting, or with a potential to make a profit, and took an amazing amount of time to actually get anything done. I am unsurprised but a little dismayed to see that the descendant of that dismal sinkhole apparently still possesses much of the same bureaucratic DNA.
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That was pretty much how any national domain name registrar worked in the 90s - your description could just as easily apply to .pt instead of .ie
At the time most national domains where managed by a clique of university teachers many of which were elitist unprofessional pricks with egos larger than their IQ.
I vaguely remember that it was easier to get a .com domain name than most of the national ones.
Something's missing ... (Score:2)
The IEDR's reasoning is that the words 'porn' and 'pornography' are offensive and immoral.
I'm not sure "reasoning" is the correct word here.
On an Irish domain related note (Score:2)
Exception..... (Score:2)
However, Leprechaun porn is still O.K.
sex.ie (Score:4, Informative)
No to IE websites (Score:3, Funny)
Still want Internet "internationally" governed? (Score:2, Troll)
Every time a story like this comes out, I recall the dreadful attempts by America-haters towards delegating the oversight of the Internet to an international, rather than, American body...
Certainly, Ireland is a fairly mild case — the country's ban on abortions, for example, is not as bad as curbs on freedoms placed by the likes of China, Russia, or Thailand.
But it would still suck to see America's influence over the Internet be diluted by that of the (some times much) less free countries...
Honest Question Here (Score:4, Insightful)
Why do we have the TLDs?
They seem to be meaningless and create problems like WhiteHouse.com/.gov. i'd much rather know that www.Coca-Cola belongs to Coca-Cola and not "Jeff who had 20$ and got to it first".
If we had some kind of enforcement of what could be on what TLD, it would make sense. As it is, only .gov, .mil and .edu are meaningful. Even the national TLDs are fudgable.
Having a TLD of .adlt or .prn would allow parents and schools to block pr0n from their kids. Then if a site had porn on it, and it didn't have an appropriate TLD, you could fine it or take it down for a day or two. This would be to the advantage of the porn sites because their customers could easily find the product. "in *.prn: Chasey Lane".
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:5, Insightful)
Really. Who gives a shit? Nobody should.
This is just a TLD, which is obviously run by some governing body in Ireland. They get to choose what they want on the TLD, and I assume at some level it is supported by the politicians.
Now, if there are people that feel oppressed in Ireland, they can simply get a domain at a different TLD. They could also just move out of Ireland. That's a choice too.
The real problem is when Irish ISPs start blocking other TLDs and controlling what domains people can resolve on their networks. Then of course come all the blogs and posts about proxies/TOR/Freenet/OpenDNS.
Maybe I am triviliazing the issue, but being restricted on possible domains on a TLD that only applies to a single country does not seem as big of an issue as actually interferring with what traffic can reach a country. It's large scale censorship such as the Great Firewall in China that should be more concerning than this.
If the Irish people feel that they are being oppressed and it is a free speech issue, then they need to address that with their politicians. It's still largely ineffective.
It's still a government trying to tell its people what words they should and should not see, which is censorship and something to notice and oppose.
-Taylor
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:4, Insightful)
When I start seeing porn sites on .us, .gov, or .edu domains, then you have a point. Till then, this is a non-story. There are TDL's out there that are open to everyone. The nationally owned ones are solely responsible to that nation's government.
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:5, Informative)
Like lu.scio.us?
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:5, Interesting)
Really. Who gives a shit? Nobody should.
[snip]
It's still a government trying to tell its people what words they should and should not see, which is censorship and something to notice and oppose.
I give a shit, precisely because it's not government [cctldinfo.com] performing these actions. I get worried whenever an autonomous body takes it on itself to be an arbiter of public morals, and even the courts refuse to step into the fray.
I've a number of personal reasons for finding this particular story interesting. My parents and extended family are Irish, and some of them have been fighting for a generation against the reactionary inclinations of some elements of Irish society. (That's half the reason I was born in Canada.) This sanctimonious approach to 'dirty' subjects is typical of the kind of thing that makes even a polite discussion about morality nearly impossible. How can you talk about something if you can't even use the word that most aptly describes it?
Second, I'm coordinating work on the creation of a governance mechanism for a ccTLD in the developing world. Society here is very conservative in nature, and this is exactly the kind of object lesson we need to learn from.
You may not find this an interesting or enlightening topic, but those of us who care about the places where technology and society intersect find stories like this fascinating, challenging and yes, definitely news for nerds.
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I give a shit
To whom? I don't want it.
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So you'd be fine with it if it was the government doing it?
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The government is democratically accountable, the IEDR is not.
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I get worried whenever an autonomous body takes it on itself to be an arbiter of public morals, and even the courts refuse to step into the fray.
Well, sure ... that always happens when the government happens to agree with what that autonomous body is doing, and is perfectly happy to let said body take the heat.
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Is it really any business of those not living in Ireland to tell those living in Ireland how to live or how 'prudish' is OK?
If you want a stake in how a place is run, have a stake in it. Live there. Join the 'rebels' attempting to over throw the government, do SOMETHING other than sit there outside it and criticize those in it for not being as enlightened as you. Till then, while the group running the domain isn't government controlled it is government sanctioned with a Sword of Damascus hanging over their
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:5, Interesting)
It's still a government trying to tell its people what words they should and should not see, which is censorship and something to notice and oppose.
The irish constitution [taoiseach.gov.ie] has some dangerous weasel-wording in it around that area. Lately it's been taken that european/international human rights law trumps more problematic aspects of the constitution, and it's important to remember that basically no sane irish person takes mere human law entirely seriously in the first place, but it just isn't particularly wonderful as constitutions go. May still better than still being ruled by the British I guess (I mean just look at Jacqui Smith...)...
6. 1. The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality.
i. The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.
The education of public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good, the State shall endeavour to ensure that organs of public opinion, such as the radio, the press, the cinema, while preserving their rightful liberty of expression, including criticism of Government policy, shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State.
The publication or utterance of blasphemous, seditious, or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law.
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Actually, European human rights law has some similar exemptions - that is why Britain was able to propose a law restricting offensive speech about religions.
The British law was fortunately stopped by a public campaign. Incidentally I am a Christian and I am offended by some things that are published (especially ignorant crap as you often see of Slashdot), but free speech too important to be impeded by giving people a right not to be offended.
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Or the Roman mythology? They tell me that if I'm wrong by my girlfriend (i.e. she cheated) I have the right to slaughter a cow, bathe in its blood, and curse her. Do you think the government will let me get away with that?
No? So then we don't truly have freedom of religion.
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From the country that brought you... (Score:2)
It's still a government trying to tell its people what words they should and should not see, which is censorship and something to notice and oppose. -Taylor
Yes, I agree, and oddly enough, coming from a country that brought forth terms like "piss drunk", it seems rather strange that they deem certain words "offensive".
Hey, pot, the kettle called...
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It's still a government trying to tell its people what words they should and should not see, which is censorship and something to notice and oppose.
It's not the government. IEDR is a private company, which, like most of the other private companies running ccTLDs, ended up with the TLD management monopoly by accident. Certainly, decisions by the registry can be challenged in the courts---real courts, not internal, registry-controlled review procedures. (The linked article doesn't make it clear that court
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:4, Informative)
The IE Domain Registry is not a governing or regulatory body, but provides a public service for the .ie namespace on behalf of the Internet community.
I am Irish and I'm more than a little bit outraged. For a start, neither of the words in question are taboo or offensive; they are english words of greek origin and are in daily usage. My main problem with this is that it claims to be on moral grounds but this body is in no position to determine what is or is not moral, nor are they under their own mandate a governing or regulatory body.
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While I can agree with you on some points, this is still a "foot in the door", so to speak, for censoring, a foot in MY door, regardless of where I live.
What is next? Government editing of dictionary entries? Wikipedia? Banning the word "pornography" from all search entries? Will I still be able to park my soapbox on the corner and mutter the word "pornography" over and over without fear of arrest?
It's the same foot in the door(censorship), just with a different shine on it...slam the door on it before it g
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:4, Insightful)
Slippery Slope [wikipedia.org] arguements are fallacy's. There is no proof that one step forward equates the same thing as ensuring that someone is going to go the full nine yards, or even that if they were, they'd end up where you want to paint them as going.
There is a middle ground here, there are plenty of TLD's out there that you can register with that are open to all comers. Government TLD's, despite the recent trend towards poorer countries whoring them out, are meant for that nation's government's use. If the government of Ireland wants to nix porn on the government owned TLD, that's entirely their perogative (till they are no longer the government of Ireland).
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:5, Insightful)
"Slippery Slope arguements are fallacy's. There is no proof that one step forward equates the same thing as ensuring that someone is going to go the full nine yards, or even that if they were, they'd end up where you want to paint them as going."
I've heard THAT bullshit before, and I'll respond the exact same way I do every time I hear it used.
While it may be true that a certain step, in a certain direction, MAY not end up with bad results, if it DOES, you then have to go back two steps, instead of one, to fix that which is broken.
That is PRECISELY the thought process these people are using to THEIR advantage. Take a little at a time, under the radar, infuse yourself into the "system", to the point it is too hard to undo the damage once everyone gets wise to the effects.
The A.I.G. mess is similar. Too big to fail? Not at all. Simply to big to LET fail...as was their intended goal all along.
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Hear! Hear!
It's like a game of red light/green light [wikipedia.org], and the citizens are 'it', and blindfolded. By the time you hear gov't.'s footsteps running up on you...it's too late.
Those that ignore/don't learn history, are doomed to repeating it.
He will wake up one day, wonde
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> It's like a game of red light/green light, and the citizens are 'it',
> and blindfolded. By the time you hear gov't.'s footsteps running up
> on you...it's too late.
Don't worry, you won't hear their footsteps. The snipers are already in place, and the swat team is standing on the roof ledge ready to rappel in to clean up after. There weren't any extra witnesses in the house that "accidentally burned down, killing all the occupants", were there?
Excuse me, there's a knock on the door. Funny, I don
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Slippery Slope [wikipedia.org] arguements are fallacy's. There is no proof that one step forward equates the same thing as ensuring that someone is going to go the full nine yards
Which is why our social security numbers are only used for the purposes of tracking our social security accounts and not for identification or anything extra like that.......
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You don't "have" to provide your SSN to anyone. Then again, they don't "have" to provide you with the services you are requesting.
Your serial number has been issued citizen. Please report to your assigned re-education and work camp via the transport the government has been gracious enough stop in front of your house. Never mind the nice men with weapons, they are here for your protection. You know, there could be a terrorist behind any Bush.
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You don't "have" to provide your SSN to anyone
So when I file my tax return without the SSN the IRS won't give me any grief?
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Please read and quote the entire line.
>> You don't "have" to provide your SSN to anyone. Then again, they don't "have" to provide you
>> with the services you are requesting.
Nope, you don't have to put in your SSN. You don't even have to file a tax return. You are not forced to provide your information to the IRS. Then again, if you fail to do either part, they may not play very nicely.
By filing your tax return, you are requesting the service that
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Oh not this crap again. If I see some people take a few steps toward a cliff, I say "hey - that's dangerous where you're heading." I don't expect someone to leap out and try to stop me speaking shouting 'just because they've walked some way in a bad direction doesn
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How is it that my above post was modded +4 insightful, with the thread having several people supporting my position, until I responded to YOUR post, in a negative way?
Now your post is +5 insightful, and I'm down exactly -5...an apparent troll.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of anything, it just seems REALLY odd to me.
Re:just move out of Ireland? (Score:2)
Or... they could revolt against their oppressors! Vive la revolucion!
Those Irish folks have been getting a bum rap for centuries. Hmmmm... if native American Indians started a revolt now, would we sing songs praising their righteous bravery or would we label them as terrorists?
A picture worth a thousand words! (Score:2)
'Nuff said. [theodoresworld.net]
It did not work out too well for us last time, unfortunately.
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If you think we've finally become so "civilized" that physical revolutions with shooting and bombs are no longer necessary to achieve freedom and equality, then it's you who are the fuckwit.
We're overdue for one in the United States. If the American Revolution - the first one - had happened in a political and semantic climate like we have today, more likely than not the Founding Fathers who started it would be branded terrorists rather than revolutionaries. No doubt the British of the period did mentally
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Be careful what you wish for.
American citizens are not well armed, compared to the government that controls them.
I was listening to the radio on the drive home today. The DJ made an excellent point.
He was talking about a news story [livejournal.com]. A guy in Eastern Europe decided his mother-in-law was the cause of his wife leaving him. He went to her house, and shot it with an anti-tank missile. The mother-in-law survived the rocket attack, so he continued his attack with
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As much as I'd like it to be that everyone can be reasonable and egalitarian and work together for the common good, it isn't true. Some people cannot be taught nor rehabilitated to adopt those values. The most irredeemably antisocial people aren't the criminals in our prisons; they're the minor irritations, the warts and rashes of society. The most antisocial of all are the ones who manipulate the social system against itself, like some social autoimmune disorder, for their own selfish benefit. The only
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If (if, if, if) it ever came down to that, there is plenty of room for people like you. I would like to think that not every man would *need* to stand on the front lines, if such a thing could even apply in such a war.
Those that go to the "we will fight" even if they win, will fail. Fighting against something isn't enough. There has to be a plan way beyond that.
If someone says "I don't like the government, I will kill them", what do they plan for after that?
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whats the Irish/Gaelic for "Don't bomb McDonald lad, they're funding us so we stay away, that's how we got all these guns"
Re:Not so big an issue (Score:5, Funny)
Deliberate acts of censorship are interpreted as DAMAGE to the internet, which routes around it.
This means that the actions of the governmental body have caused irreperable harm to the internet.
Al Gore might very well sue. That's his baby.
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I do. I just found an interesting domain hack (that is, in the way that del.icio.us is a domain hack) ending in IE that was about porn, it was short, it was memorable, it was available, and now I guess I can't register it.
Porn is a massively oversaturated marketplace of free goods. Don't underestimate the importance of a short, memorable domain in porn; in many cases it's the only way a pornographer can stand head and shoulders above the rest. Is it some kind of et
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Re:Honestly (Score:5, Funny)
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It probably got banned already.
And...what if MS tries to assert trademark ownership of .ie?
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I wonder if I'll have any trouble registering my medical site about puss?
If you're talking about "pus", probably not. If your site is into pussy, I'll bet these guys will block it.
Re:I just shit an obama (Score:4, Funny)
Everyone knows that the official unit of excrement is the Couric.
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the slightly larger U.S. Shitload are competing standards.
Otherwise known as the US Government Bureaucracy. Also, orders of magnitude difference do not constitute "slightly".
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My workplace blocks all URLs with "sex" as a label of the domain name, you insensitive clod! So I can't access TFA.
I think that the University of Essex is hosting a mirror.
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And Scunthorpe College.
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Call the waaahmbulance?
Seriously, this is a case of "my TLD, my rules".