Sequoia Threatens Over Voting Machine Evaluation

enodo writes "Voting machine manufacturer Sequoia has sent well-known Princeton professor Ed Felten and his colleague Andrew Appel a letter threatening to sue if New Jersey sends them a machine to evaluate. It's not clear from the letter Sequoia sent whether they intend to sue the professors or the state — presumably that ambiguity was deliberate on Sequoia's part. Put another clipping in your scrapbook of cases of companies invoking 'intellectual property rights' for bogus reasons." Sequoia seems to be claiming that no one can make a "report" regarding their "software" without their permission.

Update and more details on this

[MrAtoz]

It was Union County, NJ that was planning to send sample machines to Dr. Felten. They were threatened by Sequoia and have backed down from their plan as a result. The whole thing happened because several counties in NJ reported errors with the Sequoia machines in the February primary election. Sequoia reviewed these and just said that it was "user error" and not a problem. The counties understandably didn't find this an acceptable response, and Union County wanted to get an outside opinion. All the details can be found in this NJ Star-Ledger story [nj.com].

Re:The ambiguity is a dead giveaway.

[sm62704]

In other words, this is a scare tactic with nothing to back it up, pure and simple.

I'm wondering "how thay can threaten their customer?" Who do they think they are, the RIAA and that New Jersey is a mom on food stamps?

But perhaps they can. This cynical old man thinks there's a lot more here than meets the eye - Sequoia may surreptuously funnel cash to the campaigns of some of the high ranking New Jersey goons, er, excuse me, lawmakers/bureaucrats.

But then I'm in Illinois where the last Democrat Governor [wikipedia.org] went to prison, and the last Republican Governor [wikipedia.org] then went to prison. I'm thinking if a Republican wins the next Governor election, Blago [wikipedia.org] will join Ryan in a cell.

Rich powerful people don't play nice. You don't get to be a rich, powerful man by giving a rat's ass about anyone or anything except your money and power.

-mcgrew

(background on Illinois Politics): [wikipedia.org]

Politics in the state, particularly Chicago machine politics, have been famous for highly visible corruption cases, as well as for crusading reformers such as governors Adlai Stevenson (D) and James Thompson (R). In 2006, former Governor George Ryan (R) was convicted of racketeering and bribery. In the late 20th century Congressman Dan Rostenkowski (Dem) was imprisoned for mail fraud; former governor and federal judge Otto Kerner, Jr. (D) was imprisoned for bribery; and State Auditor of Public Accounts (Comptroller) Orville Hodge (R) was imprisoned for embezzlement. In 1912 William Lorimer, the GOP boss of Chicago, was expelled from the U.S. Senate for bribery, and in 1921 Governor Len Small (R) was found to have defrauded the state of a million dollars.[58][27][15]

Re:History lesson

[notthepainter]

The wiki page is pretty short on details.

See http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm [constitution.org]instead.

Re:Let's call a spade a spade:

[RobBebop]

I find it unconscionable that it is possible to patent or copyright something that is absolutely critical to the fundamental processes of democracy.

Also unconscionable is the notion that the underlaying software algorithm would essencially boil down to a very simple statement that looks something like the following:

vote++;

You could argue that there is some finesse involved in getting that data from the machine it was cast at to the central tallying point where it is counted and tabulated, but NOTHING in that process is any more complicated than the Automated Teller Machines which function in a similar way to take data from client nodes and send it up to the hub... so "prior art" in the realm of basic concepts of networking makes those patents unattainable.

Re:Ok, I RTFA, but still...

[Sir.Cracked]

The DMCA was passed in the House by voice vote, and the Senate by Unanimous Concent.

See the "Major Actions" section of this address
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:HR02281:@@@L&summ2=m& [loc.gov]

So, if your congresscritter was in office in 1998, you really have to assume he/she voted for it. I suppose you could troll the attendence logs for the day in question and see if they were absent, but I don't know how much that washes their hands. And potentialy, House reps may have voice voted against it, but it's unlikley.

So, Pretty much any Senator/Rep who's been in office for more than 10 years is responsible.

Disappointing

[bobdehnhardt]

This is just disappointing. I had Sequoia pegged as one of the good guys. When we selected them here in Nevada, they willingly submitted to every test, including review by the gaming board (who know a thing or two about fairness and anti-tampering in electronic devices - they have to certify all slot and video gaming machines). Sequoia passed the tests, including having a paper trail. That's not to say they're perfect or infallible, but they sure seemed cooperative and focused in the right direction.

This just doesn't fit with their actions back then. Has there been a change in management?

Re:History lesson

[ragerover]

Or another, as some folks in New Mexico would point out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tierra_Amarilla%2C_New_Mexico [wikipedia.org]

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Re:Open Source Secure Voting Application

[david_thornley]

I wouldn't trust one. Even if I had something that purported to be the source, how am I to know that that's exactly what was loaded into the machine? How am I to know that the combination of software and machine does something the software alone doesn't?

The only solution is a paper trail. The voting machines used around here have paper ballots that are scanned for counting. Quick returns, and actually verifiable.

Re:The ambiguity is a dead giveaway.

[Mr. Slippery]

where the last Democrat Governor...

DemocratIC. "Democrat" is a noun. "Democratic" is an adjective or adverb.

Re:Here is Sequoia's response from their website..

[Anonymous Coward]

Many independent reviews have been successfully conducted within the framework of Sequoia's license rights

It is hilarious that they attempt to masquerade as "successful reviews" studies that found abysmal problems in their products. For example, in the California Top-To-Bottom-Review (mentioned in their press release) university researchers examined the Sequoia machines in use in California, performed source code and red team analysis, identified a huge number of vulnerabilities (and plain bugs), and developed working exploits (even in the form of virus) capable of modifying the results of an election.
The reports are publicly available: source code review [ca.gov], red team review [ca.gov].