Daylight Saving Time Wastes Energy 550
An anonymous reader writes "With the time approaching when we'll be changing our clocks again, the Wall Street Journal is running a timely article on a study done by a UC-Santa Barbara economics professor and a Ph.D. student. The study unambiguously concludes that Daylight Saving Time not only doesn't save any energy, it actually wastes energy and costs more. The study used energy company records from Indiana before and after that state mandated DST for all of its counties, and calculated that the switch cost Indiana citizens $8.6M per year. 'I've never had a paper with such a clear and unambiguous finding as this,' the professor said."
Or the sample is not enough? (Score:5, Informative)
"One study of the situation in Indiana cannot accurately asses the impact of [daylight-saving time] changes across the nation, especially when it does not include more northern, colder regions," the congressman (Mr. Markey) notes.
Who's shocked? (Score:3, Informative)
Puts a whole new spin on our candidates, don't it? Look at their "platforms", then look at their voting history. The patterns are usually blatantly obvious for any who so chose to look. It's then the job of the candidates ( and their parties ) to bullshit us into believing we aren't seeing what we're seeing. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Don't look behind the curtain, folks, just punch the ticket and elect the next nutjob into office.
well thats different (Score:2, Informative)
then a study by University of California-Santa Barbara economics professor Matthew Kotchen and Ph.D. student Laura Grant
Re:DST Improves Quality of Life (Score:4, Informative)
No, Really! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Who Benefits? (Score:5, Informative)
Uh, there are such things as curtains and shutters.
The Japanese didn't see the benefit of DST. The US imposed it during the Occupation. The first thing the Japanese government did when it regained control was get rid of it.
Re:Why not do it like AZ? (Score:5, Informative)
So, what's left is plastic.
Re:Who Benefits? (Score:5, Informative)
Also, with DST, you get another hour of daylight tacked on to the end of a summer day. In Japan, the summer sunset is around 7pm. It'd be nice to have sun until 8pm.
A third point to consider is that these are the hours that the sun breaks the horizon. It starts getting light as early as 3:30am and is usually completely dark by 8pm.
In short, DST is nice if you like to do things on summer afternoons.
Re:Who Benefits? (Score:4, Informative)
Hokkaido in June for example, reveals times all before 4am.
Re:Who Benefits? (Score:5, Informative)
No. It's called living in high latitudes.
In London, even with daylight saving, the sun rises at 04:45 for all of June.
Even now, it's light when I get up in the morning at 06:30 but it's dark before I leave work in the evening.
It's much harder to take advantage of daylight hours in the morning when you are working. I cycle - but I can't go out for half an hour in the morning because I need to be in the shower by 06:35 if I'm going to catch my train to work in the morning, which means I'll be getting at this time of year just around sunrise. Give me that hour in the evening instead and I can have a shower, get cleaned up, whatever, once the sun has gone down.
I'd like summer time in the winter and double summer time in the summer (or even triple summer time). On the longest day It's sunrise at 04:43 - and almost nobody is up and around at that time. But it's sunset at 21:22 and there are lots of people out and about at that time. And that's with summer time giving us an extra hour in the evening.
Several safety groups in the UK claim (I haven't seen the figures) that there's a spike in road traffic accidents to children when the clocks go back. Roughly, it goes from sunset at 17:45 to sunset at 16:45 across the UK.
Aberdeen, at the other end of the UK, gets sun from 04:12 to 22:08 on the longest day. On the shortest day it's 08:46 to 15:27.
Tim.
Year old paper that came to same conclusion (Score:5, Informative)
RYAN M. KELLOGG and Hendrik Wolff, "Does Extending Daylight Saving Time Save Energy? Evidence from an Australian Experiment" (February 14, 2007). Center for the Study of Energy Markets. Paper CSEMWP-163.
http://repositories.cdlib.org/ucei/csem/CSEMWP-163 [cdlib.org]
Maybe there should be some kind of central place we could all use to search for papers that have some bearing our subject matter?
Re:Um... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Who Benefits? (Score:4, Informative)
I am not a physicist and don't follow the math, but one of the things that general relativity says is that just because some event A happens before some event B when observed from our frame of reference, doesn't mean those same events happen in that order when observed from another frame of reference. If you are on Earth and I'm on Chiron Beta Prime, and we are looking at two stars going super-nova, and in your frame of reference Star A goes before Star B, I may observe Star B to go nova before A.
It's not just a speed of light thing either, there is simply no absolute frame of reference for time, just as there is no absolute "center" of the universe. The lack of an absolute frame of reference makes it impossible to define a consistent "universal clock."
Re:Who Benefits? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Who Benefits? (Score:3, Informative)
This isn't fiction, we already do this. We have several systems that have tight enough tolerances that we need to define a "now" that is much more precise than the lightspeed communication delays inherent in the system. The GPS system is one of the more well-documented instances of that; the entire system needs to share a "now" to much greater precision than they could hope to directly communicate, and we don't have a problem defining a useful "now" for the system.
Re:Who Benefits? (OT rant) (Score:1, Informative)
I believe they are just completing the second year of a three year trial of DST, after which there is supposed to be a referendum on making it a permanent, annual event.
There are lot of unhappy people in WA who are trying to get the referendum moved up so they can have DST tossed out (again).