Smartphones Patented — Just About Everyone Sued 1 Minute Later 407
This week the US Patent and Trademark Office issued a surprisingly (although I guess it shouldn't be) broad patent for a "mobile entertainment and communication device". Upon closer inspection you may notice that it pretty much outlines the ubiquitous smartphone concept. "It's a patent for a mobile phone with removable storage, an internet connection, a camera and the ability to download audio or video files. The patent holding firm who has the rights to this patent wasted no time at all. At 12:01am Tuesday morning, it filed three separate lawsuits against just about everyone you can think of, including Apple, Nokia, RIM, Sprint, ATT, HP, Motorola, Helio, HTC, Sony Ericsson, UTStarcomm, Samsung and a bunch of others. Amusingly, the company actually first filed the lawsuits on Monday, but realized it was jumping the gun and pulled them, only to refile just past the stroke of midnight. "
Good luck (Score:5, Insightful)
These guys will be smashed into paste by hordes of the highest paid lawyers on planet Earth first thing Monday morning.
hahaohwow (Score:2, Insightful)
Good for them! (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps this is just what we need to make congress re-think our amazingly incompetent patent office. Clearly, computers can do all of this stuff, and a cell phone / PDA is just a hand-held version of a computer. Nothing really novel, but that never stopped the patent office.
Unfortunately, I missed my chance to patent patent trolling and further patenting the patenting of patent trolling. Etc.
Do patent trolls ever win? (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone Making a Point (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmmm...maybe it is Vonage!
Re:yes, they can and will (Score:2, Insightful)
No, they will make their blood money, lawyers will be happy, and the barrier to entry in this industry will be raised higher.
Overhaul the U.S. patent system now!
Strange sort of patent (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm trying to find the synergy here. Pure convenience, perhaps?
Whew! (Score:2, Insightful)
Patent Document is a Reqs Doc, Not Design (Score:5, Insightful)
It's trivial to list requirements. Actually solving the many problems in realising the requirements is where all the work is, and applications like this indicate nothing like that.
There is no technical detail here that indicates the patent applicant ever intended to make anything or worse - ever solved any of the problems involved in designing a product like this.
That's where I think the patent system fails - you can essentially patent a requirements document without ever needing to progress further. It's not rewarding an inventor, because an inventor would have either created a prototype or created a design sufficiently detailed to allow a prototype to be built.
Patents like this reward the wrong people.
apply the corporate death penalty, too (Score:4, Insightful)
A hardship for the shareholders? Maybe, but also, too fucking bad.
Re:Do patent trolls ever win? (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, if one of the companies calls you on it, you lose in court and that patent's revenue dries up.
Seriously (Score:5, Insightful)
Fails several tests for patent validity (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:not very smrt (Score:5, Insightful)
Evidently, it doesn't.
Re:HP Omnigo 700lx, circa 1996 (Score:3, Insightful)
Seems to me that memory only recently became cheap enough that this is feasible without exorbitant cost.
So instead of looking for prior art device, maybe the companies being sued should look for design notes and
visionary statements.
"what needs to happen" (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:3, Insightful)
-kap
Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:3, Insightful)
-kap
Re:If I had invented the smartphone... (Score:5, Insightful)
a) by the time the patent application was filed, it was already obvious
b) they didn't invent it, or they acquired the patent from someone else
c) they have made no effort whatsoever to put the invention into production
By Lawyers? Why not by an actual lynch mob? (Score:4, Insightful)
This kind of blood-sucking behavior is so transparently in bad-faith, so anti-productive, and so greedy, that it ought to carry criminal penalties.
Like the people who throw in clauses that trigger penalties and ridiculous interest rates for early payoff on loans, these are not the kind of people who cooperate in a society, they're psychopathic parasites.
But for whatever reason, right now we live in a society that rewards them instead of punishing them.
Re:Mod Parent Way The Hell Up... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sorry, but the CEO doesn't own the company (the shareholders do) and doesn't have the authority to unilaterally give it way or dissolve its charter. Neither can the CEO levy fines on anyone, any more than you could. He/she could reduce or eliminate their future salary or wages, but then they'd just quit and go somewhere else.
Anyway, your proposal would be truly unfair to those who didn't have anything to do with supporting the decision to file the lawsuit, or who did support it, but in good faith. For the rest the existing penalties are, IMHO, more than sufficient.
Re:Good luck (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:What I don't Get... (Score:3, Insightful)
people couldn't imagine them as lego blocks built out of
(then) current devices loosely coupled together.
Re:abusive behaviour (Score:2, Insightful)
question is what do this kind of company face when their claim is dismissed ?
they did cost money to society & other companies
is this abusive behaviour penalized ?
I could sue you for assaulting me, if i lied or plot I face severe penalties.
what do these abusive companies face ?
Idiot patent troll (Score:4, Insightful)
HP, Apple, etc. will want to make an example out of this one.
Why this invention was not "obvious" (Score:5, Insightful)
But these trolls are describing a phone that not only had *each* of the features they claim, but in fact had *all* of them and still fit in a hand-held form factor. I'm pretty skeptical about the ability to fit a GPS device into a phone back in 2000 and still have it be hand-held, though hand-held GPS was certainly available. (I'm even more skeptical about the ability to have a satisfactory battery life if you did.) And I'm even more skeptical about the claim that they actually *did* reduce their concept of these devices to practice.
If you're not required to actually come up with the technology to build the thing, I'm perfectly able to imagine one of these things that fits in your ear canal and runs all year without recharging... So send me my check once you've built the thing.
Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:4, Insightful)
As a society, there needs to be a way to reward the "small" inventor/innovators for their ingenuity, without preventing the exploitation of those ideas by the rest of the society.
Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:3, Insightful)
And something like that could also work for the larger people too.
Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:5, Insightful)
There are abuses in the system w.r.t. submarine patents like this one. Most of these occur because some parts of patent law are not properly interpreted or need reform. A ten+ year lag between initial filing and granting the patent is crazy.
But requiring the inventor to build the invention breaks all sorts of very productive business models. University research, small research companies, individual inventors, etc. etc. are a very productive part of the true innovative landscape that would be hurt badly by your proposal. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not acceptable.
Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:3, Insightful)
We have such a thing already, it's known as a "job".
Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:2, Insightful)
The problem is, the small inventor may have an unrealistic expectation of what it's going to take for him to bring the idea to full fruit. In the meantime, someone with more resources could implement the idea very quickly, and make it available for society to use.
Of course, patent trolls have no intention of building anything - they just want to extort as much money as possible without bringing any real value to society.
I'm not sure this is relevant to my response - are you perhaps responding to someone else's message?