REAL ID In Its Death Throes, Says ACLU 315
Dr. Eggman points us to Ars Technica for an article on the ACLU's view of the latest loosening and deadline extensions for REAL ID act compliance by the Department of Homeland Security. The rights organization believes that REAL ID is doomed. "The ACLU, which opposes the plan on civil liberties grounds, says that the many changes made since the Act was passed [in 2005] nearly 'negate the original intent of the program.' 'DHS is essentially whittling Real ID down to nothing... all in the name of denying Real ID is a failure,' said ACLU senior legislative counsel Tim Sparapani. 'Real ID is in its death throes, and any signs of life are just last gasps.'"
i hate to sound like a pessimist... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, but they'll just do what they did with CARNIVORE. Wait a few months, change the name, and go about their plans as usual.
So how isn't this a national ID again? (Score:5, Insightful)
So with the bar-coded information we can't wipe the readability of the card with a magnet to stop the assholes at bars, liquors stores, etc from scanning us unnecessarily. Digital photos means that everyone's picture will be merged into the database of information shared with everyone else and "more stringent document checks" means that even more information will be in that same database. When all this information is linked how is it not a national ID database again?
I'm proud of the states that didn't crumble under the pressure of the Federal Government. At least someone out there is willing to tell them to fuck off -- regardless if it was over funding and not privacy implications.
It's a shame. (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's be honest there is no additional privacy problems with RealID. If you are in a position to be stopped and asked for State or Federal ID by a state or federal government official for government services, then you are either going to provide that information in a verbal or written form to those federal, state, or city officials or you won't be receiving that government service that you wanted. If you wanted to access a "controlled access area", then you could be "detained" while those government officials make sure that you aren't on any most wanted list, have outstanding warrants or on any special watch for lists.
If the government is hunting for you, they know your name and last known address. RealID was supposed to make it trivial to swipe a DL through a reader so all that DL info could be auto populated rather than manually entered. This is supposed to be a the huge privacy concern needing ACLU attention?
Cheers to the ACLU (Score:3, Insightful)
Organizations like these should be applauded for their work. We need more people willing to do this kind of thing.
Re:It's a shame. (Score:5, Insightful)
How?
Make it a federal requirement for everything.
Alcohol? Scan.
Cigarettes? Scan.
Bank transactions? Scan.
Anything they want a scan done on, they just ram through a federal law to require a scan of your RealID.
What purpose does this serve? Security? Gimme a freaking break. It does nothing but needlessly invade the privacy of every citizen of this country while providing ZERO security whatsoever.
It's a program that needs to die and STAY DEAD. Lest you be required to present your RealID any time a cop asks or risk arrest (federal requirements for travel between states you know, commerce clause and whatnot...)
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Let's not forget... (Score:5, Insightful)
That all of the 9/11 terrorists had valid ID's
Granted, there might be some benefits to a unified ID across the 50 states, but combating terrorism isn't one of them. Instead, we should be asking if the other so-called benefits are worth the privacy invation and expansion of the Federal government that this program would entail.
Exactly why are my Federal tax dollars being used for this sort of thing, when it seems perfectly clear that my state government is already perfectly capable of issuing ID? The implications that someone is a terrorist if they can't produce the "satisfactory" identification document is a Constitutional problem, not a law enforcement issue.
Besides, what would an elderly father in law - who can't legally drive - do? Should he really be denied seeing his daughter married because he can't produce the ID to board a plane? This bill assumes (incorrectly) that everyone has an ID. That's not the way it's supposed to work.
Re:It's a shame. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:So how isn't this a national ID again? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So how isn't this a national ID again? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Pick your poison (Score:3, Insightful)
Our government perpetrates more anarchy, crime, terrorism, and fear than any "enemy combatants."
No, its not for political theorists. It is for the governed to decide how they will be governed. You don't need a degree in Political Science to know the difference between right and wrong.
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Re:What's the problem? (Score:1, Insightful)
I neither carry nor am required to carry a social security card or passport. Putting that info on my main form of ID (driver's license) puts more eggs in the least secure basket. Also, a driver's license shouldn't be required to drive - but I digress.
I'm a lot more concerned about the trend I see with our government trying to control every aspect of our lives, for the so-called good of the people. A modernized form of ID is a non-event.
When you fail to care for other people's freedom, don't be surprised when the favor is returned ten-fold.
Re:Real ID will not be stopped. (Score:2, Insightful)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm [ontheissues.org]
Also note that while he doesn't support abortion, Dr. Paul thinks it's an issue that should be left to the states to decide, per the Constitution. His platform is based upon upholding the Constitution that all of the other candidates seem to have conveniently forgotten about, and his voting record supports what he says.
violating the Constitution of the USA (Score:3, Insightful)
Habeus doesn't apply to Gitmo. Period.
Jose Padilla [wikipedia.org] wasn't captured in Afghanistan, but he was arrested in Chicago, IL. Nor was he sent to Gitmo, but he was held incommunicado in the USA. As were others. Oh, I see you mention him. There's also Hamdi [wikipedia.org] who though captured in Afghanistan is a US citizen. And the USSC ruled he could not be deprived of Habeas Corpus.
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