Hans Reiser Interview on ABC's 20/20 482
baegucb_18706 noted that ABCs 20/20 has a lengthy article on the saga of the Hans Reiser murder trial. I'm not sure if this article provided any information that you might not have known if you read the earlier wired interview, but it's still a really strange story.
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:5, Insightful)
Renaissance man, indeed. (Score:4, Insightful)
"I ran the business and I expected my wife to take care of the kids," he said.
Wow. Wotta guy. Let's see, I want to marry an intelligent, highly educated doctor and then turn her into a brood mare who stays in the kitchen making cookies. Yeah, that'll work.
No body (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No body (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (Score:5, Insightful)
I have no problems with one parent staying home. I know several people who do that. Two families I'm thinking of the wife is the breadwinner and the husband is the stay-at-home dad.
Things don't add up on both sides of this story... (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't believe that Hans showing up at the school to see the kids and give them a telephone number is 'suspect'..like come on. Did Nina orchestrate these events? Or was Hans so upset about her decision for divorce once she became a US citizen, and that she screwed his best friend, that he had to kill her?
Seems to me like Nina took off for the homeland, and has her kids there too. Hans is left holding the bag...
Now I probably won't get updates for my ReiserFS....damnit.
Re:I see! (Score:3, Insightful)
gowen wrote:
Actually, that's what they've got here that's new. Previously we haven't had Hans Reiser's side of the story, just the case the police were making against him in the media. And I have to say, it's nice to see a story that more-or-less takes Reiser's side on this, everyone else seems anxious to convict him before the trial... including "Wired", slashdot, etc.
By the way: How would you feel if you were on a jury and found out later, after the trial was over, that the judge had decided not to worry your head with a minor little detail like the fact that one of the people in the story was a confessed serial killer?
Anyway, I'm typing this up on a machine running Reiser FS, which is a really nice file system, and it remains so irrespective of whatever did happen to Reiser's wife. I hope the guys at NameSys succeed in keeping the work going, with or without Hans.
Re:suicide is murder (Score:1, Insightful)
Sometimes killing yourself is the rational thing to do, not that you'll ever see a bible thumper admit it out loud except when they get to be publicly flaming hypocrites and tell everyone how various criminals should do the world a favor and just kill themselves.
OT: two job familes bad? (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you have stats to back that up, or are you living your life based on what you've seen on television?
Re:He couldn't get a hotel room? (Score:4, Insightful)
It's completely circumstantial evidence.
But, if you put enough pieces together, circumstantial evidence can be damning in front of a jury, regardless if the truth is there or not.
From what I've seen, there are several ways it could have gone.
1) He killed her (the presumption of law enforcement)
2) Her new boyfriend, the drug and kinky sex fiend, killed her.
3) She's a sex slave, living in a crack house somewhere in the less friendly neighborhoods of any major US city.
4) She left town, and is living somewhere else in America or Canada.
5) She left the country, possibly for Russia.
As someone else said, they don't believe she could be in Russia. Any country with enough land and population, provides a place for anyone to hide comfortably, even in plain site. She could be working as a doctor, using her own name, with enough clients to be very comfortable, and still no one would notice.
I don't know all the facts, just the ones that have been presented in the media and in interviews. I'm not following closely though. I just know, none of us have all the evidence at our disposal, so none of us can make really educated opinions on it.
For all we know, it was some one-off killing, where some random lunatic saw a crying woman in a parking lot, killed her, drove her 1000 miles away, and buried her in a shallow grave. Heck, we've all done that once or twice. (j/k)
Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Death Penalty! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Death Penalty! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:3, Insightful)
Suicide is usually distressing for family and friends. It is sometimes the result of mental illness. But it is not "deplorable".
Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (Score:3, Insightful)
This is the opposite case, where the woman wanted to have a nice profession herself, obviously worked her ass off to earn one, and then was forced out to serve her lord husband's interest.
Note: your girl might change her mind. PEople get married young, hoping to have kids, and the girl will do ANYTHING for that family ideal. A few years of college can make her more interested in saving the world or something. When your girl considers that option (and if she doesn't even consider it, she's a moron), are you going to tell her to stick with the original deal? It's hard not to. I know. I wanted my wife to raise the kids so I could take my career whereve I wanted. It's hard, but ultimately, it's about sharing the burdens and choices equally. And if she's willing to sacrifice hers for yours, then she better get something valuable out of the deal (raising kids and changing daipers is not what I have in mind).
Re:She's in Russia (Score:3, Insightful)
People don't fly anonymously, do they? Isn't it easy to check if she's left the country?
Lovely sig, by the way
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:1, Insightful)
Suicide is usually distressing for family and friends. It is sometimes the result of mental illness. But it is not "deplorable
Suicide is deplorable because people have responsibilities to the family and friends they leave behind, and in choosing suicide, they have abandoned those responsbilities.
Re:She's in Russia (Score:3, Insightful)
Its been a while since i have read up on the case, so i might be wrong, but IIRC, he claimed that he "spilled something" on it, and it had to be removed.
Re:Renaissance man, indeed. (Score:5, Insightful)
"She divorced me the day she became a citizen. I don't know whether it was the exact day but same month"
And from TFA she also was cleaning out his money. He introduced her to his best friend, to take care of her while he was away, but this highly intelligent, educated doctor you speak of let the man introduce her to drugs and fuck her while reiser wasn't there. Sounds like some Russian skank who wanted to escape being a translator for a dating service in KGB land. And beautiful? She looks barely average.
As for your blood-mare comment, I'm sure the governments of Sweden and similar nations who pay women to stay at home and care for their children several YEARS have something to say to you. I have the utmost respect for stay-at-home moms who are helping to build solid families for this country.. definitely more than your favorite juknie/ho "doctor".
Reiser could've had so much better for a wife, no matter how "weird" he is. Reiser also doesn't have the nicest of friends, unfortunately. Kind of tough when you're best friend is a homosexual serial killer who wanted to sleep with you then decided to give it to your Russian wife when you said no. Jesus fucking Christ, Hans, are there no other people in the world to make friends with?
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:1, Insightful)
None of my friends and none of my family have a "responsibility" to me not to end their lives. I support and love them, and I am happy to help them through any tough periods, but I do not believe that any of them should either live or die for me.
In fact, "as my friend, you have a responsibility to me to live" has to be one of the most nonsensical, contradictory lines you can deliver to a suicidal friend. You might never deliver it, but if you're thinking it yet have to hide it, you've demonstrated to yourself how inappropriate it is.
Re:Things don't add up on both sides of this story (Score:1, Insightful)
Are they his kids (biologically)? Why not their grandmother in the US? This sounds bizarre to me.
The embezzlement, cheating, mail order bride affiliation, all look pretty damned shady to me. I was highly suspect of Hans when I first heard he bought those criminal investigation books (I think they were first published in the news as "murder manuals"), but this article is saying he bought "criminal investigation books" FIVE DAYS AFTER she disappeared? At that point, when you've just discovered you're a primary suspect in a murder case, EVERYONE should start reading up on the process.
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:3, Insightful)
If your friends do not have any sense of commitment or responsibility to you, and vice versa, then I would question the worth of your friendship. It may suck, as you say, to be my friend, but a friendship with you would be entirely pointless.
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:5, Insightful)
Selfish that you want people that you love to live? Selfish for a son to ask his father not to blow himself away but to try and find a job so he can see him grow up? Selfish for a daughter that needs her mother, a husband who needs his wife?
Those are some lazy, worthless relationships, you advocate. The best of human bonds are unbreakable... what you have, is pure Walmart family.
Every oddball defense of this guy gets modded to 5 (Score:1, Insightful)
In many ways, this reminds me of the OJ Simpson case and the black community's defend-at-all-costs reactions and "theories". Regardless of the actual evidence, any straw available is grasped at to keep their hero a hero.
Re:No body (Score:1, Insightful)
Good work Columbo.
ANY evidence you'd like to talk about? (Score:4, Insightful)
Let me assemble your "evidence" here:
That is the evidence. Now, here is where your speculation starts -- and by "speculation", I mean "making shit up":
I've never had to live in my car, so you must never have had to, either, right?
Just because you never had to remove the passenger seat doesn't mean it's impossible for anyone to, or that the only reason you could possibly ever have is to clean blood from it.
So what?
There are any number of reasons you might be living in your car. Money is only one, perhaps the only you can think of. Or perhaps he needed the money for something else.
The most convenient way to put money in anyone's hands is electronically, yet US people write checks all the time. Why should Russian programmers be any different?
And now we move to the exercise in creative writing...
And you just made all of that up.
Go look up the definition for "reasonable doubt". We send people away when there is no other reasonable explanation for the evidence.
Well, fuck you. I've had a wet car, I've removed the seat from a car, I've had friends run from the cops (stupid thing to do, but still, doesn't make them guilty), and I have carried more cash than I should. And I've never killed anyone.
Maybe he did kill her, but nobody knows. Because nobody knows, and because we're in America, he should walk.
Unfortunately, because we're in America, you also have committed no crime by being an ignorant hate-spewing fucktard.
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:0, Insightful)
Looking at this thread [slashdot.org], you are also irrationally judgmental and verbally abusive. This dominant approach over others would make you an unbearable companion to me.
We appear to have such opposing approaches to treatment of others that further discussion will not be productive. Thanks for your time.
I don't beat my wife & kids,I only waterboard (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean, what if they knew where a terrorist had hidden a nuclear weapon that was about to destroy a major American city? Oh, they may say they don't know anything, just going on and on with their "Daddy, Daddy, please stop! Why are you hurting us? *gurgle*", but are you willing to risk the lives of millions of innocent people?
Being President is hard work, but somebody has to do it.
Re:She's in Russia (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:1, Insightful)
As other people have pointed out in this thread, you are the one being selfish.
You notion of what friendship is is like an asshole - it's full of shit and it stinks.
Retard.
Every wacky pro-Reiser post gets modded up (Score:1, Insightful)
I can't believe some of the comments under this article that are at -1 for no reason, and likewise, comments positively moderated for no other reason than they support Reiser.
If anyone wanted to karma whore, this is for damn sure the topic to do it under. Just post a pedestrian conspiracy theory, or better yet, a Rube Goldberg-esque justification for every aspect indicative of his guilt, and voila.
Todays Juries (Score:3, Insightful)
Dont believe me? Who has time to sit for weeks on a jury? Most often its people that dont have regular jobs or a family to support, so the odds of getting an idiot is pretty high. ( not always of course, but the % is higher )
Even if innocent (Score:3, Insightful)
Revenge is common in bad divorces, and this smells like revenge to me.
Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:She's in Russia (Score:3, Insightful)
I know I could survive pretty fine on my own in a car, certainly when I still have a bank account and the ability to eat in a restaurant every day. That pretty much makes it trivial to do. And if that is what it takes to see your kids sometimes, I might just do the same thing.
And appart from all that, even if you are totally right, doing strange and even dangerous things doesn't make you a murderer. That isn't to say I somehow think he didn't do it. It don't know, and so far I've seen nothing which comes close to proving he did. He's innocent until proven otherwise.
Re:Death Penalty! (Score:2, Insightful)