Can Apple + AT&T Shut Down iPhone Unlockers? 318
aalobode writes "Do Apple and AT&T have the legal right to stop hackers from selling unlocked iPhones? Under their terms, only AT&T may sell iPhones, and Apple gets a commission. When unlocked iPhones are used on other providers' networks, AT&T and hence Apple get nothing beyond what they earned on the initial sale of the hardware. Can they prohibit unlocking? Reselling? The article in Businessweek gives the for and against arguments, but leans toward the view that the hackers may have the law on their side for once."
Re:"only AT&T may sell iPhones" (Score:2, Insightful)
Push comes to shove. . . (Score:3, Insightful)
That's why we can't have nice things. (Score:4, Insightful)
Stimpy? (Score:1, Insightful)
Pinky: I think so, Brain, but can the Gummi Worms really live in peace with the Marshmallow Chicks?
I guess it comes down to (Score:5, Insightful)
If when you buy an iPhone you are actually buying the ownership to the phone, you can do what the hell you like to it as its yours.
but...
If Apple are just selling a licence to use the iPhone (kinda like what Microsoft do with Windows) rather than actually selling the ownership of the iPhone itself, then they could legally and justifiably require you not to unlock it as they still own it.
Do I own it or not (Score:5, Insightful)
If I buy a t-shirt can they make it illegal for me to use it as a rag?
Is it illegal to color the iphone with a marker? Is it illegal to open up the iphone and melt it down? Is it illegal to take the battery out of the iphone and use the large battery in a hobby RC car project? If it is, it damn well shouldn't be.
the question really is (Score:2, Insightful)
Doctrine of First Sale-Nobody Knows The Rules (Score:4, Insightful)
However, manufacturers have managed to prevent you from modding your game console after you own it, or at least prevent other people from selling you mod chips and modding services, so now it's murky.
Wouldn't Ford love to only have you put Genuine Ford Advantage replacement parts in your car? They can't. Nor can they force you to only buy Ford approved gasoline from licensed dealers.
Yet Apple can't prevent you from putting non-iTMS purchased music into your iPod -- although that's probably because you'd never have bought the iPod if you couldn't rip your own albums and play them in it.
So what can, and cannot, Apple and AT&T do here? Besides scaring off potential unlockers, whatever the courts are willing to allow them to get away with. Clearly these days, there is no bright shining line of what's allowed, and what isn't.
Loan your new CD to your friend to listen to and the RIAA probably won't come knocking. Let him get the tracks through KaZaA and you may have an ugly time of it. Nobody knows the real rules any longer!
Re:Simple Echnomics... (Score:3, Insightful)
Just about every mobile phone ever made has probably had at least a few geeks pull it apart to tinker on the insides, you just didn't hear about it unless you went looking for the information. But in the case of the iPhone, Apple (and others) have already done the advertising for the iphone hacks, it tagged along with the advertising for the iphone itself.
While I have no doubt that you can find anecdotal evidence of people who would not have purchased an iPhone under AT&T now considering one, I would be very surprised if those people constitute a number that would make up a noticeable percentage of the iPhones out on the street.
Mod Chips (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I guess it comes down to (Score:4, Insightful)
What you're looking for is if the end user agreement prohibits modifying or loading new software. I'm sure it prohibits modifying software, but if it's just a matter of a simple hardware hack and ADDITIONAL software, I don't see how there can be a legal standing against.
Probably the reason is because I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me precedence is on our side.
Re:"only AT&T may sell iPhones" (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't Use DMCA... (Score:3, Insightful)
If they try to sue using DMCA, they will almost certainly lose.
Re:"only AT&T may sell iPhones" (Score:5, Insightful)
Form a square with every iPhone sold and mark the phones that are in the first row. Make a phone call from every marked iPhone to every activated iPhone. Place the phone bills in a circle, what is the circle's diameter?
If that is the question, then the answer is wrong. You cannot place a call to your own phone.
Re:No $#%!, Sherlock (Score:1, Insightful)
Apple can provide controls to prevent you from redistributing their software and get protection from the DCMA but using that piece of hardware to run something else IMHO has NOTHING to do with copyright and the DMCA. What prevents MS from putting a rule or a software check in place that you can not run any office software except MS Office 2007 on your Windows PC. Getting around that artificial restriction is not violating a copyright agreement and would not involve the DMCA because getting around it is not allowing unrestricted access to a specific copyrighted work, it may be a licence or EULA violation but no DMCA protection there.
Law, schmaw -- this time, the tech is your problem (Score:3, Insightful)
This product is not "merely" a phone, and the success of conventional unlocking techniques can't be relied upon indefinitely. Just look at the multitude of copy-protection (i.e. anti-interoperability) techniques that various industries are legally allowed to implement (even legitimized by laws like DMCA) and you will get some whiff of the disgusting things that Apple could put into a software update.
Sure, workarounds for these things will happen, but it won't exactly be easy, and it'll keep the users who take advantage of them at a disadvantage for purposes of (legitimate) software maintenance.
There's considerable precedent for the law allowing phone owners to use their phones however they wish, so I don't think that is worth worrying about.
If you want to worry about phones, the real issue is that you don't know what they're doing. [com.com] I think that phones are going to become THE poster-child for the risks of proprietary software, in a way that makes concerns about desktop operating systems, printer drivers, etc, seem trivial and superficial. The need for open and trustworthy phones is extreme, even if Joe Schmoe doesn't get it yet -- and the government is helping us quite a bit these days, in revealing that urgency.
Re:No $#%!, Sherlock (Score:5, Insightful)
The DMCA prohibits circumventing technological measures that protect a copyrighted work from unauthorized duplication, not measures that protect a business agreement from becoming unprofitable.
Re:I guess it comes down to (Score:4, Insightful)
If read the fine print correctly I apparently leased an Alco2Jet® Carbonator. [sodaclubusa.com] On the other hand, I never signed a contract of any kind and I refuse to acknowledge an EULA for hardware I buy.
I assume Sodaclub wants my money for their hardware, wants still to poses "my" hardware and wants to charge me for refills.
That last point alone is a reason to "illegally" fill my own "Alco2Jet® Carbonator" with cheap and illegal CO2. And when the secret police shows up at my door step I will tell them to piss off, fry on the chair for that and thus die a martyr for the right to own.
Re:a thought (Score:3, Insightful)
So, Apple is forced to half-heartedly admonishing people not to do it, removing discussion of how to unlock on Apple-run websites, etc.
But I'm sure Steve Jobs would love it if people bought iPhones and unlocked them, if otherwise they wouldn't buy one. He just can't talk about it.
Re:Do I own it or not (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I guess it comes down to (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Yeah (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:BBC is usually wrong about US law (Score:5, Insightful)
IMO the legal right of Apple or AT&T to stop someone selling unlocking software will probably become a moot point, simply because if a company can do it, eventually some cracker somewhere will create a freely distributable version and release it onto p2p. Once that happens the only thing can Apple can do is update the firmware, which I would guess they have every right to do if they choose to.
In a nutshell, I think that allowing it to be unlocked would be beneficial to Apple's sales, but perhaps may cause (possible legal) problems in their relationship with AT&T.
Re:BBC is usually wrong about US law (Score:4, Insightful)
The best way for Apple and AT&T to stop people from unlocking their phones is to develop software-as-a-service products that are only supported by the AT&T network. Maybe that means seamless integration between the AT&T network and the iTunes store, maybe it means streaming music & video that automagically syncs to your desktop computer's iTunes library, or maybe it means things none of us have even considered yet. Apple's whole business strategy revolves around the idea that people will pay for better quality, though.
If 'unlocking the iPhone' means 'keeping all the really good features of the iPhone and ditching the expensive suck factor of AT&T service', then unlocking will rule no matter what Apple and AT&T do. If 'unlocking the iPhone' means 'I ditched AT&T, but lost a bunch of cool features in the process', then only a handful of people will bother.
There are two main reasons Apple won't try to play the lock-in card.
First, Apple doesn't own enough of the cellphone market to have a 'lock' on anything. Their stated goal is to own 1% of the smartphone market by the end of 2008. Meanwhile, Nokia's goal is to own 40% of that same market. Apple isn't in a position to get pushy about anything right now. All that will do is alienate customers, and alienating customers doesn't help them increase their market share.
Second, Apple doesn't compete by locking out alternatives. It competes by offering the best package it can, and trusting consumers to think the package is worth the price.
Re:Heres what the BBC says: (Score:3, Insightful)