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Second Life & WoW Terrorist Training Camps? 292

Tech.Luver writes "theinquirer reports that 'Aussie Security experts claim that Second Life and online games such as World of Warcraft are being used to train terrorists. Apparently there are three jihadi terrorists registered and two elite jihadist terrorist groups in Second Life and they use the site for recruiting and training. This is on top of the Second Life Liberation Army.""
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Second Life & WoW Terrorist Training Camps?

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  • Slow news (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Zephiria ( 941257 ) on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @09:47AM (#20069903)
    You have to wonder about how someone can live with themselves for typing up this garbage, they go to collage do all sorts of stuff... and then this? People are blowing up corporate crap in SL because they don't WANT you there. As for using weapons in WoW to train for Rl? Uh where's my exploding sheep? :P
  • by Petey_Alchemist ( 711672 ) on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @09:52AM (#20069971)
    Who has been *called* a Second Life terrorist to debunk this rumor.

    The SLLA isn't a real "terrorist" organization. It's a bunch of unfunny people who think that exploding picture replicators near buildings in SL comprises some sort of Jacobin revolution. I'm serious. Look at their white paper.

    As for real terrorists: frankly, I hope they're practicing in Second Life. Because with all the other, harder-to-track ways they could be communicating information--IRC channels, encrypted and hidden forums, custom IM software, etc--they choose to use a public program in which anyone can access anywhere by default and the company religiously logs any and all chats that pass through their network and make it a point to discipline people on the basis of chatlogs.

    So we should be so lucky to have terrorists so stupid that they'd communicate using SL--a clunky graphically terrible product that can't even properly form eyebrows, much less a complex trigger mechanism--as opposed to, say, sending a real video over some other quicker undetectable means.
  • by Xest ( 935314 ) * on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @09:54AM (#20069993)
    So that's why the bombs in London and the Glasgow airport attack the other week failed miserably.

    They thought their spell of detonation and shield of fire protection worked outside the game too.
  • by mdwh2 ( 535323 ) on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @09:57AM (#20070035) Journal
    When we had the stories of criminalising people for fictional virtual pr0n in online environments, one of the responses to show how ludicrous this is was to suggest we start criminalising WoW players for virtual murder...

    It's sad that everytime someone says "But you can't stop X, otherwise we might as well crack down on Y too, which would be silly", it's not long before Y becomes the Internet taboo which people also want to crack down upon...

    Please tell me this story is just a parody?
  • Re:ROFLMAO (Score:2, Insightful)

    by SnoopJeDi ( 859765 ) <> on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @10:00AM (#20070077)

    What bearing could this possibly have on real life? The only thing I can think of...
    Don't lock yourself out of investing what could be a genuine point, just because the premises are completely ridiculous.

    Granted, I didn't really buy this when I first read it, especially the bit about using WoW as a training tool. But to be honest, not all terrorist training has to be violent. Terrorism is about guerilla warfare, and guerilla warfare has been around for centuries. It's an art, just like any other form of war, and it does have it's own subtleties.

    I assume that if WoW really is being used for "training," it's for things like team dynamics. Who performs better as a leader? Who is a quicker thinker? When does communication between team members become a problem?

    The Second Life stuff is obviously more "real" than the supposed WoW training, although I'm not buying this BS about "registered" terrorist organizations. To me, that just sounds like some people having a bit of "fun" playing terrorist. The complete lack of any names of these terrorist groups in the article screams to me that they aren't really terrorist groups.

    Again, don't put it out of your mind just because you can't rack your brain hard enough to find a valid use. If you're not an analyst, being paid to do it all day long, you might just miss something small and subtle. (disclaimer: I have no knowledge of anything remotely related to analysis/terrorism/etc. I'm just a geek.)

  • by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <> on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @10:00AM (#20070087) Journal
    Hey, stop with your "facts" and "logic"! Didn't you hear? There are terrorists in WoW and Second Life! Do you know what this means?!?

    This countries supply of WoW gold and online poontang is in jeopardy! They are attacking our very way of life! We must mobilize for action! It's not going to be easy. I've heard that the terrorists are employing epic mounts, and exploding sheep technology, as well as second generation teledildonics, but we must not let them prevail!

    We will fight them in the empty casinos! We will fight them in the level 60 raid instances that no one does anymore! We shall overcome!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @10:04AM (#20070123)
    'jihad' is the new 'hittler'. Social mutants need something capable of eliciting a shocked response from people who aren't a member of their social group. Kids using extremist tags simply recognized it as a code word that is beyond the acceptable and practically guaranteed to get exactly the sort of response they are getting.
  • Eh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <> on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @10:08AM (#20070197) Journal
    But WoW would be useless for that, as compared to a game of "Capture the Flag" played out in the sticks, or even in the cities. It teaches you nothing about real-world communications problems, nothing about the real fear and uncertainty of being in the world, waiting for something to happen, nothing about tactics against humans.

    WoW tactics boil down to tactics vs mobs, and tactics vs mobs. In the first you're fighting a bunch of simplistic AI, and in the second you're fighting a bunch of people who know they're not going to lose anything if they die, so they just do the lemming over and over until one side wins...It's a joke.

    I can think of a thousand "games" that you could play in the real world that would actually get you useful skills, and useful training. Playing WoW, on the other hand, gives you the wrong kind of reflexes, zero physical conditioning, and no actual experience with moving around in the world.
  • Re:Eh. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ozmanjusri ( 601766 ) <> on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @10:38AM (#20070603) Journal
    I suspect the paintball facilities will be shut down before WoW

    What about this: []

    It has a focus on terrorism, realistic weaponry, combat and team tactics. Shouldn't it be first up against the wall?

  • Re:ROFLMAO (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Lonewolf666 ( 259450 ) on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @10:53AM (#20070859)
    Why use something as far removed from real life as WOW?

    -any multiplayer WW2 shooter like Day Of Defeat, Call Of Duty...
    -America's Army (get your training sponsored by your enemy ;-)

    Much better choices for terrorist training (and I'd still consider them inadequate unless you throw in some real life practice with guns)
  • Re:Slow news (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @11:01AM (#20071037)

    If you didn't understand the sentence, then perhaps your the one that needs a better understanding of english as a whole
    Ok, tips:

    your: belongs to you
    you're: you are

    Keep digging that hole.
  • Re:ROFLMAO (Score:3, Insightful)

    by veganboyjosh ( 896761 ) on Wednesday August 01, 2007 @01:16PM (#20073743)
    Why use something as far removed from real life as WOW?

    -Food handling training
    -Medical school
    -Water treatment facility work

    Who needs guns when the enemy has no water?

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell