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UK Teachers Say Censor The Internet 463

Marlow the Irelander writes "The BBC is reporting that in response to a YouTube video of a schoolboy breaking his teacher's window (yes, this is a video), NASUWT, one of the teaching unions in the UK, is calling for legislation to control the internet. Could Britain, rather than the US, be the main front of the battle against censorship in 2007?" From the article: "Unfortunately, any yob or vandal can now have their 15 minutes of fame, aided and abetted by readily accessible technology and irresponsible internet sites which enable such behaviour to be glorified. [The general secretary of the union] said the union supported a zero tolerance approach in schools to pupils who used technology to abuse and undermine teachers, and called for more rigorous legislative control of internet sites which gave them license."
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UK Teachers Say Censor The Internet

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  • Call me stupid... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by __aaclcg7560 ( 824291 ) on Wednesday January 03, 2007 @11:17PM (#17453796)
    If a video tape was mailed to the police department, would the postal service be abolished?
  • by __aaclcg7560 ( 824291 ) on Wednesday January 03, 2007 @11:20PM (#17453822)
    Man, kids these days. When I was their age, we had to vandalize stuff the old fashioned way.

    I tried checking out a bomb making book from the library as kid, they wouldn't let me. They had no problem with me checking out the books on witchcraft and demonology. Go figure.
  • by easter1916 ( 452058 ) on Wednesday January 03, 2007 @11:28PM (#17453896) Homepage
    Growing up as an Irish youngster in the late 70s and 80s it was the same way. I think it was 1979 or 1980 before corporal punishment was completely outlawed in schools. Not a moment too soon. Most teachers were somewhat reasonable in dishing out their violence and at least tried to target it, but too often they lost the rag (due to whatever pressures, personal, professional, I don't care) and I recall two specific instances that qualified as full-on aggravated assault / G.B.H.
  • by voice_of_all_reason ( 926702 ) on Wednesday January 03, 2007 @11:29PM (#17453912)
    If you think you can pass the exam without listening to me, you're welcome to leave

    I wish I had those kind of teachers in the states. Took Cobol my senior year. Straight A's on every assignment and test. The sweet old lady in charge of it had a stroke 2 weeks before final and the new substitute wanted to fail me because I'd missed half the lessons.

    Had to lob him a real tearjerker line, but I aced the final too. Who woulda thunk it?

    Sadly, the sweet old lady was the exeption in my college career.
  • Instead (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dachannien ( 617929 ) on Wednesday January 03, 2007 @11:43PM (#17453992)
    Rather than censor teh Intarweb, here's a better idea. Let these punk-ass kids have their fifteen minutes of fame. Then videotape their fifteen hours of community service and put that on YouTube.

  • by plover ( 150551 ) * on Thursday January 04, 2007 @12:11AM (#17454192) Homepage Journal
    Jezus H. Christ on a popsicle stick! The NSA and CIA can't stop psychotic nutjobs posting beheading videos on the web, what the hell makes a few addle-brained teachers think they can stop kids from posting to YouTube?

    It's no wonder they're turning out idiot students -- the poor kids are being taught by idiots of the first order.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 04, 2007 @12:12AM (#17454204)
    and worse... crappy teachers with no idea...

    one girlfriend i didn't keep for long, turned out her mother did a degree at a crappy polytechnic-turned-university when I was there doing day release on a BTECH. She remembered me from doing the pointless crap elementry coding elements in no time then going round and helping my fellow pupils. ( I was like 18 at the time, been programming since 11, written my own little forth compiler on the speccy, os extensions to the ST etc, {back in the days when I though only poofs used C!})

    so we were chatting (the mum and me) I said what do you do now? she was working as a lecturer in computer science at the same bloody polytechnic-turned-university. "what?" I said.. "with no experience in the industry?". well it kind of fell apart there. I had had 2 years of being taught by people with a degree from some craphole university and no bloody idea whatsoever. it was 1990, what was I being taught? cobol, modula-2 and C (only basic stuff, no pointers or strings). And the woman who taught cobol/jackson structured design always went on about doing design before coding and I ridiculed her in the class because she made handouts where it was obvious she wrote the code and made a design diagram that didnt match. or the woman who taught databases who was SO BORING I fell asleep in every lesson, and I was sitting at the front. and I snore. and nobody even woke me. not even the teacher.

    the only person who knew what they were doing was a bloke who was only there to try and shag anything that moved. going for those shy geeky girls...

    in two years i learnt... karnaugh maps. from the bloke who knew what he was doing and was trying to shag anything.

    I have no sympathy for lecturers either, I have a friend who is a university lecturer. Lovely woman. Intelligent but can't seem to grasp the notion that their pay is lower than the private sector because instead of working at teaching for 40 hours a week they get a significant amount of time to develop their own academic skills and therefore their careers. And its mostly complete bollocks, check out [] . A type of career enhancement by notionally improving your teaching technique. Except if you are crap and try to make it better that is aparrantly not action research. And you don't actually have to do a controlled experiment (like teaching 2 different classes in 2 different methods and comparing scores). And people can write crap like "action research is like quantum theory" without being picked up on. OK that might be true, but in what way?
  • fuedalism (Score:2, Interesting)

    by zogger ( 617870 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @12:14AM (#17454220) Homepage Journal
    Fuedalism has never gone away, it has never been "repealed" despite a lot of people thinking this happened somehow by some mythical all powerful world court of supreme justice and niceguy goodness or something. They, the alleged "aristocrats", the top of the two class feudalistic system, our economic and political "leaders" who still think of themselves and act as our "masters", just realised they needed to be a bit more sly about it so as to not lose their heads periodically in the traditional peasant/serf uprisings. And now they have a lot more technology to pull it off, that's it, just a lot more toys and a few centuries more psychological studies into how to control their herds of "human resources" more effectively, hence why I call the phenomenon technofeudalism.
  • Do me a favor... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Pollux ( 102520 ) <speter&tedata,net,eg> on Thursday January 04, 2007 @01:21AM (#17454776) Journal
    Please sit down and shut up. Take your issues that you had in high school, and treat them as your issues, rather than overly-generalizing them to make it appear as though you understand every problem ever related to schools and education.

    I'm a teacher (math and computer). I'm also a tech coordinator. I wear both hats at my school. I've been studying, taking apart, assembling, and troubleshooting PCs for 12 years. And I take offense to anyone who says "Those who can, do, those who can't, teach." If you were to take the time and evaluate MANY teachers, you would see how much time and effort we put into helping students, as well as research how to better educate students in our discipline(often through professional teacher organizations...I myself belong to the

    Sadly, even at my school, I have seen and am upset with some teachers who do not give a rat's ass about the students they teach, and I wish that administrators and teachers got a lot more serious about evaluating teachers' behavior and teaching inside and outside the classroom. It upsets me a great deal to see how much time and effort I put into helping a student learn, both about a particular subject and about the world & life in general, in hopes that I can build trust with students and show them I care about their lives, only to have that trust destroyed by a teacher who makes rather damning comments to students demonstrating apathy to their profession. Yet while I have met and even work with a few teachers who behave this way in one way or another, I will not sit by and watch some stupid punk think that we teachers are a waste of space.

    There are so many students that depend on us teachers for social and academic support. We don't just sit and twiddle our thumbs when kids ask us questions. We understand our discipline. (I, as well as the vast majority of teachers, majored in their discipline in college; if you want to discredit our education, you may as discredit your own, assuming you graduated from college, at least.) Most of us have a great passion for it, as well as for helping other students learn to love it as well. And if you wanted us to actually demonstrate that in a job, I certainly could do so. But I would find great boredom in, say, being an actuary, doing nothing but number-crunching for 8 hours straight. And I've tried tech support before, but to be quite honest, I don't like living an OfficeSpace-kinda life. I actually enjoy being around other people and talking with them, teaching them, interacting with them, and even watching them grow and being a part of it!

    And it's teachers like me who help make the students who become a part of your work force. They're not just born smart, stupid.
  • by gd23ka ( 324741 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @02:22AM (#17455088) Homepage
    As far as the control paradigm perspective is concerned I can understand their position. For all practical purposes I think these "teachers" need to be closely examined and revealed for the dog-trainers towards conformity they really are. The road towards authoritarianism we're heading down is getting steeper by the day. If you're interested in the subject read John Taylor Gattos books on the dumbing down of America.
  • by Kashgarinn ( 1036758 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @04:09AM (#17455468)
    Actually I'd encourage you to check crimerates in England from 1950's (or whatever period you're from) down to today.

    You would notice that youth crimes and imprisonments have gone down, way down in the last decade or so. What does that mean? It means you old farts were considerably worse than kids today, it's just that news coverage has changed to hype up "problem with kids today".
  • It would be nice (Score:3, Interesting)

    by teflaime ( 738532 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @09:59AM (#17457278)
    if, instead of attacking the rights of the entire society, people would insist that parents taught their children the difference between right and wrong. This is yet another side effect of the "we mustn't damage their esteem" child psychology crap. A good spanking or two would do wonders with most of these kids.
  • by soft_guy ( 534437 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @01:29PM (#17460482)

    The teacher is more upset about the video than the broken window, because it makes the teacher look like a fool

    Uhhh, why? This incident makes the perpetrator look like a fool. Why does having a vandal break a window make the victim look foolish?

    Right. Let me seriously answer that question. The reason is that teachers - and probably the teacher in question - behave in a very authoritarian manner towards their students (i.e. they are bullies). And the last thing a bully wants is the idea that one of their victims can stand up to them in any way and "get away with it". The fact that the teacher's window being broken was publicized on YouTube makes it worse because now the students can refer to this video and relive a type of revenge against the teacher, if only in their minds.

    It makes the student into kind of a "hero" who stood up to a bully. And so, like most bullies, this teacher is lashing out in an unintelligent manner.

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