Razorback2 Servers Seized 365
An anonymous reader writes "Slyck is reporting that Belgian and Swiss authorities have raided and seized Razorback2's servers. From the article: 'Razorback2 was an eDonkey2000 indexing server - very different in nature from an indexing site such as ShareReactor. Unlike indexing sites, Razorback2's index was only available through an eDonkey2000 client such as eMule. While it does not host any actual files or multimedia material, it does index the location of such files on the eDonkey2000 network. The legality of such indexing remains questionable, however this has not deterred copyright enforcement actions.'"
Decentralize (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Decentralize (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Decentralize (Score:2, Informative)
will offline-poeple ever get it?
Re:Decentralize / Anonymous (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Decentralize (Score:4, Informative)
My money's on gnunet [gnunet.org]. Not only does it have the whole anonymity thing, but it also actually works quite well as a filesharing network.
Re:Decentralize (Score:5, Interesting)
That's just not true. People download more than they would have bought, that goes without saying...but services like iTunes have demonstrated that people will pay for their downloads if they're made available for purchase. I know people who never bought CDs who now buy songs online because they can buy only the songs they want. Prior to that, they pirated the material.
As for the wording of it, whether you like it or not "unauthorized duplication and distribution" is becoming part of the definition of piracy. You might as well give up that fight.
Re:Decentralize (Score:2)
I have an iPod, I sync it on 3 computers, and I do so with Rhythmbox.
All of these files are MP3s in my collection with a few other formats, and it all works fine.
Re:Decentralize (Score:3, Insightful)
As a musician, I'm going to say you're dead wrong there. Either the label or the artist themselves has invested a great deal of time and money in creating and recording the music. Because they made the investment, they should have the right to control distribution of the music.
Loan the CD out all you want. Make all the copies you want for your own personal use. But every time you give that song away to someone els
But it is the homogenized music which suffers! (Score:4, Insightful)
If we keep pirating and make music distribution less profitable, perhaps that bland BS will go away.
The Music I like was released on tiny little labels, and I'm sure there isn't much profit there to begin with. People who make 'real music' in my opinion, would be doing it even if they couldn't make a cent.
They do it because they want to do it, not out of any expectation of profit. I'd even argue that the opportunity for profit is what attracts people to the field to create crap 'corporate' music.
Re:But it is the homogenized music which suffers! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Decentralize (Score:3, Insightful)
Minor dispute: Giving someone my recording of a song (you can't actually "give" the song itself) is only copyright infringement if I happen to keep a copy for myself in the process. You may not like people getting used CDs from others (since it makes it unnecessary to order new copies of the CDs), but that does
Re:Decentralize (Score:3, Insightful)
The biggest incentive to me for purchasing new music in digital format would be that I never have to pay for that song or album again. Why should I pay every time a new medium comes along? When I bought albums in the 70's, it
Re:Decentralize (Score:3, Funny)
Re:That's not enough (Score:2)
Sucks... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Sucks... (Score:2, Funny)
Hmmm, I worry about server load increase, and yet I post a glowing review of said servers on SLASHDOT!
Re:Sucks... (Score:5, Informative)
Please, get your facts straight!
Kademlia (short: KAD) is _NOT_ a centralized search facility, it is a search that goes just as much Peer 2 Peer as the downloading goes.
You ask your "neighbours" in the network, they will ask you, they report back to you, you to them and so on...
Therefore, your thought about "overloading the KAD-Servers" just wont happen, maybe your very own connection will use more resources for searching and giving results than before when everyone uses Kademlia but thats about it.
Read more about Kademlia here [emule-project.net]
"A menace to society" (Score:2, Interesting)
But from the article's description, RazorBack2 does seem to be host to all sorts of unsavory content. Not to mention party to illegal activities. Now it's gone and some other network will step in to take its place.
I'm sure all those poor kids who don't have money to go out and actually buy CDs will now be inconvenienced. Boo hoo.
Re:"A menace to society" (Score:3, Informative)
According to TFA they didn't host any content savory or otherwise, they just indexed what was available elsewhere. Kind of like a search engine does. . .
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http://www.jarfinder.com/ [jarfinder.com]
Re:"A menace to society" (Score:2)
Re:"A menace to society" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:"A menace to society" (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"A menace to society" (Score:3, Funny)
karma += 0;
case INSIGHTFUL:
karma += 1;
P2P filesharing != criminal (Score:5, Insightful)
No.
Look.
P2P filesharing does one major thing that previous mechanisms *did not do*. It spreads the costs of distribution out over all the users. That means that the original content publisher need not spend lots of money to distribute his content.
Sure, Paramount doesn't like this, because Paramount has an *existing* business model that has been developed and can address the costs of distribution. It provides no benefit to Paramount.
A lot of our legal publication channels have evolved to deal with (and even rely on) a system where distribution is the primary cost. Book authors get money from publishers, who perform the task of publication and distribution.
If I run out and make a cool movie or a Linux distro or *anything*, *anything* at all that's large and that a lot of people would like, I have to offload distribution costs. There are a couple ways to do this.
(a) Get someone like sourceforge to pay distribution costs.
(b) Offload costs to all users.
(c) Other approaches that haven't seem to have caught on much.
(a) works okay for some content. However, (b) is not illegal or criminal or anything else along those lines.
The reason that there is so much copyright infringement on P2P filesharing systems is simply because there is a lot of demand for infringing content, and the main barrier was cost of distribution. I can't print up thirty thousand copies of Stephen King's latest novel and send them out to people who want infringing content for free. P2P filesharing cuts the cost of distribution down to so low a level that this barrier goes away.
Now, I happen to get a lot more good out of noninfringing content that is given away freely than infringing content. I use a huge amount of entirely free software every day, whereas my infringing content is the occasional ebook or movie, plus a couple CDs worth of audio that I listen to on loop. The fact that I can write a bunch of high-resolution textures for Quake II and distribute them over a P2P filesharing system at little cost to myself is phenomenal. Maybe this isn't true of everyone -- I don't know.
All I want to point out is that shutting down of P2P servers as "criminal" is absolutely absurd. If you are *not* content-neutral, if you are doing something like "download the latest and greatest movies here" on your main webpage, then there might be an issue. However, if you are doing nothing other than providing content-neutral services, then you are simply providing a service that changes (in a good way) the costs of distribution. The fact that this conflicts with the systems that we've built up to fund content creators, which are currently adapted to a different set of costs, is simply an unfortunate quirk.
I can understand maybe shutting down Napster, because it was definitely not content-neutral -- searching for the year of someone's album seems to be very likely to be intended for copyright infringement. But ed2k servers are content-neutral. Shutting one down simply *because* distributed distribution costs lend themselves well to infringement and because they are thus often used to infringe is simply unacceptable, in my view.
Interesting (Score:3, Interesting)
I mean, surely when the Justice Department needs to take a look at Microsoft's paperwork, they send in in an elite squad of ATF agents to rappel down from above, crash through the roof, and storm the building with machineguns drawn.
Re:Interesting (Score:4, Funny)
It's much more fun that way.
Re:Interesting (Score:3, Funny)
That's because regular citizens "loot" these materials, while Microsoft "find" tax loopholes
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Insightful)
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>That's because regular citizens "loot" these materials, while Microsoft "find" tax loopholes
I am erotic. You are kinky. They are perverts.
We protect. Our allies enforce. Our enemies oppress.
Congress appropriates. Microsoft lobbies. Citizens steal.
With apologies to Calvin and Hobbes - if you think verbing weirds language, wait'll you try conjugation!
Re:Interesting (Score:2)
We protect. Our allies enforce. Our enemies oppress.
Congress appropriates. Microsoft lobbies. Citizens steal.
Well, I'd already marked you as a friend, so I can't do that, but this is a wonderful post.
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Funny)
Now, now, conjugating verbs should be done only between consenting grammatical forms in the privacy of their own paragraph.
Remember: people have sex, and words have gender!
Re:Interesting (Score:2, Insightful)
A raid is an ability the law provides for. Content creators have just as much rights to protection by the law as "regular citizens" do. It's silly to pretend the Razorback servers were being used for some grand, benign purpose. Everybody including the server owners knows what happens on the E2DK network.
Re:Interesting (Score:4, Funny)
When they don't call in advance to let you know they're coming, it's a raid. That's what it has always been called.
"I mean, surely when the Justice Department needs to take a look at Microsoft's paperwork, they send in in an elite squad of ATF agents to rappel down from above, crash through the roof, and storm the building with machineguns drawn."
Unfortunately the spell checker in the new version of Office sometimes has trouble with the names "Tuttle" and "Buttle"...
Re:Interesting (Score:2)
It kind of reminds me of "the borg". The Justice Department do rides and get media attention to repeat one message: "Resistance is Futile". However, we really do have some significant choices. Residence to tyranny is obedience to god.
When it comes to Microsoft, they can not
Obsessed, me? (Score:2)
Re:Obsessed, me? (Score:2)
http://www.hogwired.com/ [hogwired.com]
Arrest Me (Score:4, Insightful)
334 South Main
Now come arrest me.
You got a point (Score:2)
there's crack house at 123 thug street
There's a guy selling copied music on the corner of Bank and heron.
You can get music through Kazaa and emule
News flash: Google and Yahoo point to Music and movies, too.
More info? (Score:5, Insightful)
* The floorplans to the bank?
* The hours of the guards?
* Details on the type of security, and escape routes?
* Instruction for nerve agents to attack the staff with?
At some point you would be going to far.
You Imply that the address is not enough, well fine, its not. But there is a line, it can be crossed, and it won't get clarified by bad analogies on slashdot.
You never gave anyone anything. (Score:4, Insightful)
If you were to be used in an equivalent example, you would be a phone company which chose to let others freely place calls on their phone network.
Other servers (Score:2)
Also can't they just change the location of the razorbacks?
I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps.
But until we the people stand up for our rights, we wont have any.
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not an international lawyer or anything, but it occurs to me that the law might be different outside the U.S.
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:3, Informative)
Since November of 2004, authorities have closed down all of the major eDonkey servers in the United States, and now, Europe.
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:2)
That sound like TERRORIST talk to me
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:3, Funny)
WHAT?!?!??! What kind of savages do they have living in the rest of the world? Everyone should be obeying US laws, as we all know that it is the best and fairest laws ever to excist. We need to liberate the citizens of the rest of the world, so they to can follow US law, instead of whatever ungodly, communist laws they have been following. Think of the poor, heathen children!
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:3, Insightful)
That is what biased extradition laws and CIA kidnappings are for.
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:2)
Do they need to justify it? The Fourth Amendment does not apply. Is there a Swiss or Belgian equivalent? What does it require?
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:5, Insightful)
OK... it's not in the US. I didn't RTFA. I suck. (Score:2)
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:2)
Does "we" mean the US? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't want to live in a 1984-style society. But comments like this are not fair. Yes it's legal to link to illegal content, sort of. But when the _only_ purpose of a server is to link to illegal content, you have to be retarded to think it's just for research, or study or for the sake that it's not illegal.
This intent of this server's owners is clear: they wanted to exploit a legal loop to provide copyrighted content. They played, they lost. They knew the rules, otherwise they wouldn't have tried to exploit them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for free, legal downloads for a private use. But these people can't say they didn't see this coming, unless they are liars.
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:5, Informative)
But when the _only_ purpose of a server is to link to illegal content, you have to be retarded to think it's just for research, or study or for the sake that it's not illegal.
Illegal content wasn't the only purpose of Razorback 2. They linked to some legal content too.
Now, I don't deny that illegal content was the primary purpose. And it's perfectly legitimate to argue about where the cut-off should be, how much illegal use there needs to be before the technology should be banned; in the case of Razorback 2, you might even find that the vast majority of people agree that the illegal use so overwhelmed the legal use that the takedown was justified. But you should not just ignore the legal users - you should acknowledge them and present an argument that the authorities are acting in the common good when they act in a way that restricts those legal activities.
This intent of this server's owners is clear: they wanted to exploit a legal loop to provide copyrighted content.
This is the big mistake. You must not say "copyrighted" when you mean "unlicensed".
This post is copyrighted content. I own the copyright to it. But you are not infringing my copyright if you read this post, and you could email this post to everyone in the world if you like without infringing my copyright, because you have my permission to do that.
Similarly, if I compose a song, and record myself singing it, and give you a copy under a suitable Creative Commons license, you can upload that onto any P2P network you like - you will then be sharing copyrighted music that you don't own over a P2P network, and you will not be breaking any laws or infringing any copyright.
When you use "copyrighted" to mean "unlicensed", you strengthen the dangerous myth that copyright is a special thing that only protects commercial works, and that it's illegal to share copyrighted materials with your friends. The record companies want you to believe that, because they damn well don't want you to find out that there's free music out there that it's legal to copy and share, because that threatens their business.
It may sound like I'm nitpicking, but we live in a world where words have power. Words shape the world we live in. And if you let someone else define your words, you can only talk about the world they want to live in. You mentioned 1984 yourself: if you're familiar with the book, you're presumably familiar with Orwell's concept of the Party redefining words to make concepts like "freedom" and "democracy" literally inexpressible. We might not be heading quite that way yet, but we soon will be if we don't use words carefully rather than lazily.
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:4, Funny)
You missed part of history. Please (re-)read the Patriot Act. Jaywalking is now a "terrorist" offense in the USA.
As for Norway, Norwegian "Police intelligence" chief Jørn Holme publicly stated that "If it is not against the law, and can not be prosecuted, then we will take the measures we feel is appropriate". That basically Means that if you do absolutely nothing wrong and you criticize the Norwegian regime then they will torture you and in any way possible try to destroy you. This is relevant because the "Police intelligence" department (PST) started a surveillance, torture and sabotage operation on me after I made documentaries about 911 available on the Internet and posted a lot of information with links to it in Norwegian forums. Here they do not even use the terrorist excuse, they simply say "We do not like you, so we torture you".
Getting my servers shut down like Razorback2 is one thing the Norwegian Gestapo Police can't do that sine they are hosted abroad. So instead they torture with microwave weapons, voice-to-scull mind-control weapons, steal my mail, harass my neighbors and on and on BECAUSE OF RUNNING A DAMN WEBSITE with information that goes against everything the criminal regime would have people believe.
Take my word for it, getting your server(s) shut down is nothing compared to what some governments are willing to do to stop video documentaries to be accessible to the public.
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:2)
Voice-to-scull mind control? Damn the government and their hatred of small rowing expeditions!
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:4, Funny)
Second Thought: Paranoid Schizophrenia (-1)
Conclusion: High Comedy! (+5 Funny)
Its not hyperlinking, well sorta ... (Score:2)
Re:I thought we settled this with hyperlinking? (Score:2)
It goes like this: the local MPAA agency tips off that there is an international organization that makes millions in copying their data and selling it. Local cops seize the servers. After a year they discover there were only some advertising sponsered hobbiest (well you can earn qu
eDonkey (Score:5, Funny)
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Clarification please (Score:2)
Can anyone comfirm this or did I dream it?
Re:Clarification please (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, there are fake servers that filter search results or record users activitys. There are fake razorback servers active now.
I recommend either a) using emule set to not connect to a server and using kad
or b) turn off the options to auto update your server list from serve
Major blow to piracy. right (Score:2, Insightful)
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa! suuuure
Nice job Swiss....NOT! (Score:3, Funny)
Good to see the Swiss being so neutral on the matter ;)
http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]Interesting bits from TFA (Score:5, Insightful)
Searched his home? For what, burned copies of Spider Man 2 and illicit Metallica albums?
By shutting down Razorback2, the ease with which pirates can obtain illegal content online will slow dramatically.
Two comments about this part....
One, I hate it when they make it seem like the main users of these systems are organized crime lords sitting in their pirate CD distribution warehouses. I guess that image is more dramatic than nerds looking for episodes of StarGate Atlantis though.
Two, slow "piracy" down dramatically? Do they actually believe this? Taking down one ed2k server, however large it is, hardly strangles p2p file sharing....
Hang on a minute... (Score:5, Insightful)
In other news, phone directories choose not to exercise control over people they list, which include paedophiles, bomb-making experts and terrorists.
Re:Hang on a minute... (Score:2)
Guess I'll have to go to the store and buy the MacGyver DVDs.
Re:Hang on a minute... (Score:2)
Anyway your whole point is irrelevent. There is a list of file names. The files themselves are elsewhere. Assuming that we could infer paedophilia from names, would you then say that a phone book shouldn't list paedophiles - even if they h
Whiners (Score:2)
And why should something silly like "legal" get in the way of a good enforcement action? Hey, if the president can wiretap Americans at will without a warrant, then what's the problem with confiscating a few servers and taking a business offline?
Bunch of left wing, tree hugging whiners if you ask me. Next you'll be spouting some dribble about voting in honest elections and representative go
Re:Whiners (Score:2)
Worse, they'll start talking about "Geneva conventions", as if laws should apply to the executive branch! Don't these people know we're *at war*!?!
Just one real question, though... I'm not aware how these things work, but...
what's the problem with confiscatin
Re:Whiners (Score:3)
You do realize you're talking about Belgium and Switzerland, right? This has nothing to do with the US, unless indirectly, in the sense that some pirates that just happen to be in the US have just one less tool to aid in p2p-powered infringement.
Give those lefties an inch and they'll run this god-fearing nation right into the ground.
Not that it has anything to do with TFA, but you do know that some o
Skype=Spyware? (Score:2)
Spyware blocked
The requested site is not permitted, because WinProxy has determined that it contains spyware:
Spyware/Malware Sources
If you think that page is mis-classified click here
WinProxy version 6.0 R1c
Bad ScuttleMonkey!
Re:Skype=Spyware? (Score:2)
Why not a community based p2p client/network ? (Score:4, Interesting)
- It has to be truly decentralized. No main server. Whatsoever. Except websites to download clients. It has to be able to discover new clients/networks/etc...
- Specs have to be open so anyone can implement a client.
- It has to be secured. Using SSL for example.
- It has to work from behind firewalls.
- It has to be secure enough to differentiate dups and fake files.
- Searches have to be decentralized, but cached, and verified for integrity.
- Of course, it has to be ad-free/spyware-free.
- It has to be built upon security, safety/integrity of the files and users in mind.
- Most of all, it has to be thought off as a legal project with legal uses so it can't be stopped.
I see no reason why this can't be implemented as a community effort? I have been a project manager for years, and for one would be willing to work/coordinate on such a project.
Re:Why not a community based p2p client/network ? (Score:3, Insightful)
in all honesty it would be OTHER people developing, you simply using it, and pretending you are part of something.
Re:Why not a community based p2p client/network ? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Why not a community based p2p client/network ? (Score:2)
Re:Why not a community based p2p client/network ? (Score:2)
Oops right there. Didn't they just take down a bunch of DC hubs last year for "facilitating piracy". Raids, seisures, big announcements [mtv.com] and all that jazz...
Re:Why not a community based p2p client/network ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Check.
- It has to be truly decentralized. No main server. Whatsoever. Except websites to download clients. It has to be able to discover new clients/networks/etc...
Check.
- Specs have to be open so anyone can implement a client.
Check.
- It has to be secured. Using SSL for example.
No. What would your goal be in using SSL?
- It has to work from behind firewalls.
Check (unless both people are behind firewalls, in which case they've chosen to
Scary in another context. (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at it another way. Let's say I've learnt of someone who gives away burnt CDs. I don't have any myself but but I'm fully aware of how to contact this guy and get freebies. So in conversation I let other's know too. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything and although it may be immoral not to turn the guy in, I'm fully within my rights to share what I know. I'm basically indexing this guy's contact details for other people to obtain. How they use those details is beyond my control.
Shakey analogy aside, where does protecting copyright end? Shall we go close down a library because a few of the books describe how to perform an illegal act (Shock! Horror! This book describes how someone murdered an innocent! No!)?
Or am I just getting pissed off and ranting? Probably both to be honest...
Mod parent up =) (Score:2)
Politicians and Cartel lobbyists seem to think that just because its done with wires and silicon platters it somehow does not deserve the same protection. Well there is no real functional difference, and your analogy is not particularly shaky either.
I say MOD PARENT UP.
Re:Scary in another context. (Score:4, Informative)
She informed me that there are specific State laws (in the US) that exempt libraries from copyright laws. That is why you can go to your local library and borrow a CD-ROM game or tax software or whatever, install it on your computer and use it until you have to return the CD-ROM. Even if the software doesn't check for the presence of the CD, you are morally obliged to delete it after you return the CD.
If the **IA wants to try to repeal these State laws, they are gonna get shushed into oblivion!Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)
As long as products like iTunes charge a reasonable price for a reasonable product (both reasonables debatable, but the point stands), I will happily plunk down my $.99 cents per song.
In other words, don't make me feel like you're screwing me, and I won't feel like I have to screw you back.
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Sorry, but I'm going to have to call a bullshit on this one. The trouble with your theory is that to anyone using Photoshop commercially, $700 is money well spent. For almost everyone else, $50-70 for retail copy of Photoshop Elements [google.com] is a pretty reasonable expense.
Besides, companies offer sof
If it was questionable legality (Score:2, Interesting)
While I am totally against frivilous lawsuits, having something brought to court to determine if it is legal is occassionally necessary.
Assuming that things aren't settled on the sidelines, of course.
They lose again! (Score:3, Insightful)
a search for "spiderman" in the absence of razorback is still producing results.. over a thousand and still going. Not that I want or like spiderman, but hey.. it still works you **AA klods, you missed a few thousand other servers.
Backup.... (Score:2)
If the legality of it remains questionable (Score:2)
Yes, it sucks for those involved, but until a court rules that this is legal and they have no case to answer, expect more seizures.
Legal schmegal (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, think of it this way - the content industry claims billions in annual losses. Getting sued over the confiscated servers, even for treble damages, after getting the government to do your dirty work for you is a drop in the bucket compared to that.
Aiding and Abetting? (Score:2, Interesting)
Except that ED2K also houses plenty of LEGAL files, so how can you claim its only used for illegal activities? That's like saying the corner newspaper store is really just a porn shop because it has a 'backroom'.
But then again, if you have more money then the guy you just hit, you never have to make it to an actual legal decision before they drop out.
i wonder if they
Maybe just an exemplar operation (Score:3, Insightful)
What if... (Score:3, Interesting)
For instance, let's say I have LINUX.TGZ and it is 5mb long exactly (old version of the kernel ;). I create a 5 MB stream of random bytes (A) and xor LINUX.TGZ with it to get another 5MB stream of random bytes (B). Then I take my MP3 of "Enter SandMan" (SANDMAN.mp3) which is also 5 mb and I XOR it with (A) to get another seemingly random stream of bytes (C). This way I can keep people from listening to my music without having (A). Then I xor LINUX.TGZ with (C) to get another seemingly random stream of bytes (D). I could then do a search for (A) by MD5 HASH and download it. Then I could do a search for (B) by MD5 hash and download it. Combining those two files would give me LINUX_KERNEL_0.99.TGZ. Now if I do a search for either (C) or (D) by MP3 hash and download it, I can reconstruct the others.
Therefore, if I only share (A) and (B) on my hard drive, I can upload both parts needed to make LINUX to other users. If my friend shares (C) and (D) on their hard drive, it is the same, you can use both parts to create LINUX. Now if someone were to download (A) from me and (C) from my friend, they could illegally use them to recreate the SANDMAN.MP3 file, but why would someone want to break copyright law? My friend and I are just serving the parts to make LINUX.TGZ which is perfectly legal.
ROFL (Score:3, Insightful)
BT like NGs has the very latest stuff (telesync and such), but other than that it fucking sucks. To find stuff, you gotta look thru thousands of posts everyday - most of which are total crap and old shit. Quite a waste of time (the torrent search sites hardly help).
On emule,
Re:Who gives a fuck? (Score:2)
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Re:Ah... edonkey (Score:2)
Oh, absolutely. All those people with BT trackers running for the perfectly legal torrents of the Linux ISOs and WoW updates and 3DMark apps should be shut down immediately - you know, for the children.
Idiot.
Re:Ah... edonkey (Score:5, Insightful)
No, in fact, it's not questionable. Copyright infringement is illegal, therefore illegal stuff has made it into a perfectly normal information conduit. This is not the conduit's fault, it is the fault of the individuals who are putting the material on there.
End of story.
Re:Ah... edonkey (Score:2)
Re:BitTorrent Is Not Illegal. (Score:3, Funny)
Liar! Thief! Filthy Criminal! Of course there were. For example, the byte 0x5A - taken straight from adios-4.15.iso that you help distributing - is clearly stolen from the latest Britney Spears CD, where it appears next to the byes 0xC2 and 0x82, and we both know that those make their appearances in said ISO, too.
Re:P2P ala Search Engine? (Score:2)
Oh, that's being worked on [slashdot.org] as we speak.
Re:Doesn't anyone else see? (Score:2)
Seems to me that this siezure is far more useful for disrupting the network and scaring away users than tracking pirates... there are easier ways to do that, and yo