Alleged Adware Purveyor Indicted 126
weeva writes "Wired News reports that federal prosecutors have indicted a 20-year-old California man for installing adware on 400,000 Windows machines he compromised with a variant of RxBot. Jeanson Ancheta allegedly pulled in $60,000 in affiliate fees from porn pop-up company Gammacash, and 180solutions subsidiary ZangoCash. The feds hope to seize his BMW."
Congratulations!! (Score:5, Funny)
Kids, try this at home (Score:2, Funny)
Moral of the story, do this when you are 17! Then you get to keep your BMW.
Re:Kids, try this at home (Score:1, Funny)
Wow. Even his name is right for the business. I wonder if he's represented by the well-known law firm of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe [123posters.com]?
Re:Kids, try this at home (Score:3, Funny)
"Sweet ride, John, where'd you get that Viper?"
"Some kid wrote a spambot last week. I'm hoping to bring down this other worm author next week, I hear he's got a mint-condition '62 Vette."
"Nice. I got a Mercedes yesterday, but there's this Porsche, I mean virus author who has a Porsche, that I'm working on for tomorrow."
Yeah, I could do that.
Re:Congratulations!! (Score:2)
* By no strings attached we mean there are actually many, many strings attached.
Re:Congratulations!! (Score:2)
So . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So . . . (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So . . . (Score:2)
Re:So . . . (Score:2)
You mean like this? [wikipedia.org]
Hurhurhur (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Hurhurhur (Score:4, Funny)
I'd pay for those!
Re:Hurhurhur (Score:3, Funny)
I'd pay for those!
Okay:
One day Lil porn popup says to his father: I want to get married.
Father: Oh yeah, do you have someone in mind?
Porn popup: Yeah, grandma
Father: Well, there is a problem, you want to marry my mother.
Porn popup: so what? you married mine...
Can I get the cash now?
Re:Hurhurhur (Score:2)
Slut.
Stick it to him (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Stick it to him (Score:3, Funny)
In other news: a decapitated head found on Internet town square strangely smells of rotten fish...
Re:Stick it to him (Score:1)
Re:Stick it to him (Score:2)
In that vein, somebody in my neighborhood got TPed last week. Apparently someone also sparay painted on their car. I hope whoever did it gets caught and has to cough up $20,000 to replace their car, plus go to jail for awhile, and reimburse the county for the time they spend in prison.
So what happens to the Companies (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps I am a touch cynical , but I very much doubt they had no idea how a lot of their affiliates work . Did they even look into the business they work with , see if they are legitimate . Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:5, Insightful)
They probably did not know, because they did not want to know. Their policy was probably 'ask no questions, get no lies': you don't investigate at all into your affiliates' businesses, and then when the faeces strike the ventilator you can honestly claim ignorance...
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
They certainly knew that, it's a part of their core business after all.
And even if they somehow didn't indent to run malwarevertising, they certainly watch closely where their money go. You don't pay a subsidiary for something you don't even know what it is.
A friend of mine, someone who got suckered into HerbaLife (a nasty Amway-like scheme), used to hire students to give people leaflets. And of course, if he didn't supervise them, all leaflets
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
What they didn't know is whether the users consented to the installation of the software displaying the ads -- the binaries they provided had a EULA which folks were just expected not to read; this fellow modified the copy he was distributing to no longer request or retrieve the user's consent.
Arguably, so long as the binaries they provide Do The Right Thing, they're legitimate wrt pushing the blame on
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:3, Funny)
It doesnt matter how the shit ended up on your face; it doesnt look good.
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:3, Informative)
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
Actually, I take that back. Adware gets put into games and other downloads all the time now. In that situation, it's quite possible I could distribute the adware to 400,000 machines quickly.
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
Dunno. Doubtful though.
What I have noticed is that there is some kind of fairly comfortable abstraction from reality and personal responsibility, and that abstraction does exactly that. The "corporation" is nothing real, yet they are spoken as if they are a real entity in the eye of the public and the government. The corporation can transcend local, state, and federal laws. Can never be held personally responsible for anything they do, usually a
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:3, Insightful)
The word 'hope' is used because they, the Feds, have to prove that the car was purchased with funds from the illegal enterprise. This is similar to how property from drug dealers is confiscated. The Feds show that the property was purchased using proceeds from the drug sales.
In other words, they are depriving the person the fruits of their illegal operations.
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
In other words, they are depriving the person the fruits of their illegal operations.
Right, I understand where they are coming from, I just don't think its right for them to specifically "hope" for such a thing to happen. Its like someone the other day "hoping" that someone would get raped in prison for stealing their identity.
I doubt that if they had purchased
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
If the guy does not pay, then start siezeing property.
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:1)
This wasn't true for a long time. RICO seizures are civil actions, not criminal punishments. That means you have to prove it's more likely purchased with legal fund before you can get it back. This happened to many people and is well documented. The Supreme Court said it was ok. Then the feds "tried" to seize a tobacco company's ill-gotten gains. Suddenly the Supreme Court changes the rules, now they have to u
Re:So what happens to the Companies (Score:2)
You can doubt better than that. No business is going to spend that much money without getting feedback on results and knowing their methods to ensure they are not fraudulent. After all, if I wasn't being watched, I could just buy a hundred or so PCs, infect them, wipe them out, re-infect...so on and so on...
There's no doubt that they knew and a very high certainty that they don't care... they likely feel that since someone else
Just 60,000? (Score:1)
Re:Just 60,000? (Score:3, Informative)
Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (Score:2, Insightful)
Taking control of thousands of PCs, is unauthorized use of someone's computer, which is illegal.
That's much worse than Talmudically tricking folks into loading up some Adware (e.g. if you want to run the P2P, you are also agreeing to run our adware bot).
Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (Score:5, Interesting)
Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
or
Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.
Point being that, sometimes it's *better* to be fucked over by the man in the black hat, instead of a reputable software company that provides contact information and is only legal because of one sentence burried deep in an EULA...at least thats MHO.
Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (Score:2)
Oh yeah, I jumped too when I read this in the MS EULA. "the lord of the ground sal have the maidinhead of all virginis dwelling on the same."
http://www.fibri.de/jus/arthbes.htm [fibri.de]
Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (Score:3, Funny)
Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
or
Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.
Wait! What? I don't understand why you think there's a problem with either of these options.
Peter
Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (Score:1)
Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (Score:3)
Jeez, nice way to inject a pointless (and unrelated) ehtnic slur into an otherwise intelligent post.
Is that even remotely necesary? I'm a friggin' WASP and that's offensive.
Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (Score:2)
Errr
Noble Cause (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Noble Cause (Score:1)
evil axes to grind (Score:4, Funny)
Re:evil axes to grind (Score:3, Funny)
Re:evil axes to grind (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:evil axes to grind (Score:3, Informative)
Simple (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Simple (Score:3, Interesting)
Not so. Plenty of fine-print boilerplate associated with online games or other things will do the same. For example... you offer a free Java-based garden or room design program. Then you make sure that people running web sites for interior decorators or garden clubs know that they can
Re:Simple (Score:1)
Re:Simple (Score:2)
Actually, my point was that it's more like "not thinking." Or, "not reading." Or, "assuming that, generally, people are good and nice, and that they want to give me something for free with no strings attached because I'm also nice."
Re:Simple (Score:1)
maybe it should have been "by exploit, trickery, or seduction". Perhaps what is needed for affiliates to present something like the following: YES - I want to see more ads.. YES - I want to screw up my computer YES - I want you to screw up my computer again if I try to fix it YES - I trust you to install more software goodies whenever you want YES -
Re:Simple (Score:2)
60,000 for installations only (Score:5, Insightful)
Worms/bots/virusses usually try to patch the vulnr they entered with. If they extended this behavior to keep windows fully patched then they could even be beneficial to their victims/hosts. That would increase the chances of survival of the malware even more.
Re:60,000 for installations only (Score:1)
Overheard at FBI... (Score:5, Funny)
Fed2: What cool stuff do they have?
Fed1: Well, this one guy has a bike and a couple of laptops.The other one has a BMW and a couple of ipods and the other guy a Toyota and a house.
Fed2: Hmm. That's a difficult one. I'd say,lets go after guy number 2 with the BMW and we keep quiet about the ipods and pocket them. In a month it will blow over and my wife can drive the BMW.
Fed1: But I want a bike!
Fed2: Focus pinky!
Seizing (Score:3, Funny)
Hopefully they'll seize other things of his that start with the letter 'B'
Re:Seizing (Score:2)
Re:Seizing (Score:5, Funny)
Bentley?
Re:Seizing (Score:2)
Considering that your post was just before the post that made yours "Redundant", that does seem a little unfair.
Re:Seizing (Score:1)
So, 20 years old, broke, in jail looking forward to getting out in a few years with a felony conviction and a lifetime of employment sweeping up cigarette butts.
All in all, a nice day indeed.
Re:Seizing (Score:2)
That way, the rest of
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wow, what a kingpin (Score:5, Funny)
Re:wow, what a kingpin (Score:3, Insightful)
Weeks? I want to know where you are getting your cheap gas.
Re:wow, what a kingpin (Score:1)
Ah, the delicious irony (Score:2, Funny)
Gotta love this...
Hope victims got help to secure their system (Score:1)
Come to think about it, that'd be a pretty good prospect list for a business to have...
Re:Hope victims got help to secure their system (Score:1)
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Re:I hope... (Score:1)
Re:I hope... (Score:2)
Re:I hope... (Score:1)
Re:I hope... (Score:2)
Re:I hope... (Score:1)
The Sad Thing (Score:2, Interesting)
If this were a drug-related case (Score:4, Insightful)
This guy may very well turn out to be a scumbag, but until a court of law determines him to be a scumbag, I don't think we should be so smug as to cheer for the fed's inalienable right to take whatever it wants from whomever it wants.
Not enough! (Score:1)
"Hangin's not good enough!
Burnin's not good enough!
He should be torn into itsy, bitsy pieces,
and BURIED ALIVE!!!!!"
Seriously, though... at least a public whipping till he needs hospitalization is in order.
Re:Not enough! (Score:1)
"He's nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm! Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!"
Damn, I really am a geek aren't I.
180 Solutions (Score:3, Interesting)
Plus, it's in their advantage to catch them (Score:2)
This reminds me of how some sweatshops would hire lots of illegal aliens to work for them, then after 3 weeks on the day before they were supposed to be paid, the INS would raid the place and deport them all, so as
The real problem? (Score:2, Funny)
"If you use our advertising software, you absolutely shall not under any circumstances anyway ever make use of hackbots like the ones at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/code to install our software on any computer you do not own without the express consent of the user. The instructions at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/howto will tell you exactly what you are absolutely not allowed to do under any circumstances anyway ever, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*."
Forget the small-timers and go after
Re:The real problem? (Score:2)
The FBI sure works fast, don't it? Imagine that, the FBI reading slashdot...
Excuse me, there's someone at the door.
Traitor caught? (Score:1)
Heck, around 2 dozen machines were infected in my government office with that adware vairant. Guess we might be able to claim timeshare on that BMW for the hours they spent cleaning infected machine? I'm hoping for the weekend to Vegas next month.
Re:Traitor caught? (Score:1)
The reality (Score:1)
The real problem are the companies running these businesses, not the people "exploiting" a system that was built to be exploited.
180Solutions is trying to portray themselves as a legitimate business by making comments like "we have updated our adware so that the installation click-wrap notification process is presented from our own servers, instead of inside the code where it's vulnerable to tampering".
The consumer is the victim and 180Solutions is the criminal.
Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:3)
This guy's going to need help. (Score:1)
I think we need to send him some reading material. Say, numerous catalog's to his home address. Give him something to read during court...
CNN Story (Score:2)
Re:CNN Story (Score:1)
Click click? (Score:1)
Re:Not much (Score:5, Funny)
You know, he just *might* have automated the process of getting into each machine...
Re:Not much (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not much (Score:4, Insightful)
It is hardly as if he was working 9-5 on this 5 days a week. $60,000 for running automated tools to compromise other peoples machines sounds well worth the short amount of time it would take to set up.
In fact there is nothing in the article to indicate that he wasn't working a day job and doing the rest in his spare time.
Re:Not much (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe so, but there's an important difference between "spending 10+ hours a day commuting/working with a real job" and "spending an hour a week reading reports from your bots".
he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.
It may also be worth considering how much he could have grown his botnet by the time he was 30, or
$60k? really? (Score:2)
Would a spammer lie? Would a botnet owner that works with spammers lie?