Open CRS: Free Government Research Reports 95
securitas writes "Ted Bridis of the Associated Press reports that more than 8000 Congressional Research Service reports produced exclusively for legislators are now available to the public for free. The Center for Democracy & Technology's Open CRS project is a Web-based central clearinghouse that features several collections of government reports. The research service has '... a staff of more than 700 and a nearly $100 million budget ...' but 'CRS Reports do not become public until a member of Congress releases the report.' The Open CRS project wants your help in obtaining and adding reports to the database."
Re:FUCK THE GOVERNMENT (Score:3, Funny)
Re:FUCK THE GOVERNMENT (Score:2, Funny)
Or something.
Re:FUCK THE GOVERNMENT (Score:1, Offtopic)
Sorry, sorry, I had to.
Re:FUCK THE GOVERNMENT (Score:1)
People need to wake up and say no to this tyranny!
Re:FUCK THE GOVERNMENT (Score:2)
The gov't has always had this power (well, at least since the 5th Amendment was ratified in December 1791). The gov't may take private property for "public use," so long as it pays "just compensation." The debate this year was around the Supreme Court's decision in Kelo v. New London, upholding the actions of a local gov't which used its eminent domain powers to transfer property from one private holder to another, as part of
Re:FUCK THE GOVERNMENT (Score:2)
Eminent domain powers are not granted by the 5th Amendment ... it's a restriction on the extent of those powers. My understanding is that the "necessary and proper" clause of Article I, Section 8 is the Constitutional basis permitting "takings". The 5th Amendment provides that IF the federal government exercises eminent domain, then it MUST provide you "just compensation"; previously, takings did not require compensation of any kind. The 14th Amendment extends those protections against state and local go
Ok (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ok (Score:1)
Re:Ok (Score:1, Funny)
A nit worth picking ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Shouldn't that read something more like "Ted Bridis of the Associated Press reports that more than 8000 Congressional Research Service reports produced exclusively for legislators are now available to the public, who already paid for it, and whose children will keep paying thanks to reckless spending and cavalier taxation, at no additional charge"?
That complaint aside, kudos to the people who helped liberate some of the knowledge (and probably some of the fluff) that tax dollars have paid for.
Ahem.
timothy
Re:A nit worth picking ... (Score:4, Insightful)
They provide comprehensive non-partisan reports on any subject imaginable at the request of the major decision-makers in this country. The public sees this in the short, clearly-worded descriptions that accompany every bill and resolution in the THOMAS system. They don't see the massive stacks of policy and historical reports intended to brief legislators on complex areas they may not have time to explore fully (or want a place to start).
Re:A nit worth picking ... (Score:1)
I'd prefer that the "major decision makers in this country" be ordinary citizens living their individual private lives rather than politicians, though; I'd like the job of Congress (generally) to be fairly pedestrian: keep laws in tune with the grand scheme laid out by the Constitution, in some cases by writing new ones and in some cases by revising or eliminating old ones.
I do not believe that new laws are generally b
Re:A nit worth picking ... (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you take this libertarian notion of not paying taxes for anything superfluous too far, or would you rather politicians legislated on the basis of dog-eared back issues of Time magazine and National Geographic?
Re:A nit worth picking ... (Score:1)
The reckless spending I'm thinking of (which is both cause and symptom of the cavalier taxation) isn't on the CRS, which I understand to be pretty good value -- as government spending goes -- especially if it increases the apparent intelligence of the members of Congress.
Also, while I tend to vote libertarian, I don't think anyone wants to pay taxes for things that are actually "superfluous" -- right? As to how I'd prefer politicians legislated, well, I'd mostly p
Re:A nit worth picking ... (Score:4, Insightful)
timothy,
I thought about adding text to the write-up that pointed out the taxpaying public have already paid for those reports (and thousands more).
I decided against it for a few reasons:
But point taken.
Re:A nit worth picking ... (Score:1)
Of course, for a micro-rant
Re:A nit worth picking ... (Score:1)
I'm an academic and I relied on a number of CRS papers in the past - they are usually excellently written, non-partisan, just the kind of source you want to look at if you need an objective reference on the topic you are interested in. In each case had to go to the library/send RAs to make copiess off microfilms because they were not (or were hard to find) online, so
what do they write with? (Score:2)
700 people and nearly 100 million dollars?! That's pretty hefty, per-head. Do they write with James Bond typewriters?
What they write with is either black ink, to hide things, or invisible ink, again to hide things.
FalconRe:seems like too much money (Score:2, Insightful)
that's just for the staff costs... now take out their paper expenses, mail, telephone services, and all the other office stuff that comes with it. I've heard that paper costs an arm and a leg in some places, so I wouldn't put it past these people. Some of the top people probably do get paid a lot, but a majority probably wouldn't make more than the average person after all the expenses of running the place.
How Much Do Government Wonks Make? (Score:3, Informative)
Report on the Patriot Act (Score:5, Informative)
Re:They want help (Score:2)
If the government were truly free (Score:3, Insightful)
This project is doomed to stagnate. The People are satisfied with their little flag bumper stickers and patriotic country music. They have little interest in the minutiae of government.
And who blames them? That's the reason we have representatives in the first place.
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:2)
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:3, Interesting)
I prefer futarchy, myself.
http://hanson.gmu.edu/futarchy.pdf [gmu.edu]
Democracies often fail to aggregate information, while speculative markets excel at this
task. We consider a new form of governance, wherein voters would say what we want, but
speculators would say how to get it. Elected representatives would oversee the after-the-fact
measurement of national welfare, while market speculators would say which policies they
expect to raise natio
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:2)
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:5, Insightful)
The government *is* representative of the people: as you say yourself, the people doesn't give a fuck about the government, so it's no surprise the government doesn't give a fuck about the people either.
People have the government they deserve: if all they can do is groan a little during tax time, but otherwise trust the administration to run things, what do you expect? The government will (and does) run amok eventually.
The government they deserve? (Score:1, Insightful)
So what is the giving-a-fuck minority to do when they are overwhelmed in numbers by Joe Sixpack?
Re:The government they deserve? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:The government they deserve? (Score:2)
Burn Karma BURN!!!
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:2, Interesting)
I dont care to worry about the day to day dealings of the government, Reading what congress changes daily (Reading the Full Bill with comprehension) would eat about 79 hours out of each day. When the Patriot Act was passed 98-0 how many of th
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:2)
When the Patriot Act was passed 98-0 how many of the senators actually read through the THOUSANDS of pages?
Not one congress critter read the whole thing, at best they only read parts of it. I'd bet there's not many people who recall that when congress was "debating" the PATRIOT Act Ralph Nader challenged everyone in congress to take a quiz on the act, saying that if they passed it he would donate I think it was $10,000 to any charity the person wanted it donated to and not one person took him up on it.
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd find this more insightful if not for the fact that nearly all politicians are self-serving asses. The problem isn't with the voters, it's who's running.
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:1)
I'd find this more insightful if not for the fact that nearly all voters vote on said politicians. The problem isn't just with the politicians, it is with the voters and the politicians.
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:2)
I'd find this more insightful if not for the fact that nearly all politicians are self-serving asses. The problem isn't with the voters, it's who's running
If people don't like who's running then they need to get someone they do want to run or run themselves. The problem with this is who is willing to deal with the hassle, have their lives put through an electronic microscope, or have dirt manufactured on them? Carl Rove is real good at that.
FalconRe:If the government were truly free (Score:4, Funny)
How many voters does it take to change a lightbulb?
None. Voters can't change anything.
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:1)
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:2)
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:1)
Re:If the government were truly free (Score:1)
I have to disagree...from the reports I've read so far, they are all concise and direct, not the wonkish 80-page reports that other gov't-related offices churn out. Remember, the CRS is writing for congressmen, not policy wonks!
Other meanings (Score:2, Offtopic)
What's the point? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:not to mention... (Score:2)
Re:not to mention $100,000,000 (Score:2)
By negligible costs for congressional staffers I assume you mean like the negligible one huundred million the congressional staffers were paid to create them in the first place.
Re:not to mention $100,000,000 (Score:2)
Read this newsletter! (Score:5, Informative)
Plus, Steven Aftergood has been publishing CRS reports for a while now. Here's what he has to say on why the CRS won't release 'em in the first place:
Considering Congress no longer works for us (Score:2)
Congress has long left the public interest behind, its probably been a good 50 years since they were accountable or felt accountable to the people. They have their own retirement programs so it not be surprising they have created other government groups just to service themselves.
Now, one way to start fixing this is to make the public aware of it. The problem to overcome is the lack of interest the public has.
Re:Read this newsletter! (Score:1, Interesting)
This might be a tougher battle, but would it be possible to get Congress to change its own policies, rather than CRS's policies?
Currently, the default is that the reports are effectively secret, unless a congresscritter decides to release it. How about making a congressional policy that effectively inverts that. Congress gets the reports, and they go public automatically after, say 30 days, during which there is the potential for review. Anything truly classified/confidential could be flaggedas staying
I read a useful report from this service last week (Score:2, Informative)
U.S. Housing Prices: Is There a Bubble?
May 16, 2003
http://www.opencrs.com/document/RL31918/ [opencrs.com]
Re:I read a useful report from this service last w (Score:1)
"No*"
*unless there is one
Authenticity (Score:2, Insightful)
Hopefully this quasi peer review will help eliminate erroneous research.
The deep-rooted problem (Score:1, Insightful)
Well, duh... (Score:4, Informative)
"Over time, CRS products might come to be written with a large public audience in mind and could no longer be focused solely on congressional needs," CRS Director Mulhollan said in a written statement yesterday. And the current congressional leadership apparently agrees.
I worked as a contractor at Congressional Research Services for a bit over a year, so let me put in my two cents.
Of course they agree, because it's an obvious truth. When does a author not consider their audience when writing a document? How hard would it be to try not to consider your audience when writing a piece? Furthermore, how cumbersome do you think it would be, administratively, to effectively convince one's employees not to worry about what hundreds of millions of people think about your writing, and just focus on a few hundred? Here's a better idea: Don't worry about any of the above, because CRS's job is to inform congressman and their staffers on the issues so that they may legislative effectively.
In my stay at CRS, I learned a good amount about a part of our government which was previously entirely unknown to me. CRS does very good work for our congressman, and I was proud to build good software for CRS employees' and congressman to use alike.
Also, it's worth noting that 99.999% of what you'll find in CRS reports are gleaned from sourced that any Joe Q. Public could find anywhere. It's condensed into a format that lets congressman read a lot of facts at once, without having to go read 20-30 books/magazines/publications to glean the same content.
OpenCRS is probably as public as this stuff is ever going to get. This way, CRS still doesn't have to deal w/ the public. They can keep their target audience narrow and their coverage broad.
Re:Well, duh... (Score:2)
That sounds like a problem with CRS then. If CRS Director Mulhollan can't keep CRS directed at their target audience (congress) than congress should just do away with them at that point and support a different organization that stays on task: writing reports for congress. Blaming the public because CRS wouldn't be able stick to thier mission is ridiculous,
Re:Well, duh... (Score:5, Insightful)
I can.
In the late 70s when there was congressional investigation over windfall profits by the oil companies. There were also trials resulting from it. The lawyers of those companies tried to subpeona the files of the CRS to try to use in their cases. (Likely it was a tactic to create a chilling effect).
Now, multiply that by everly pressure group and lobbyist you can think of on any side of any issue. It's hard to write a balanced and neutral report when you're worried about being called to testify, or going to have your phone overflow with angry (insert-special-interest).
Re:Well, duh... (Score:2)
As to point 2: Don't you love it when something you didn't know about renders your position moot? Yes, the mods should score my previous post -3:pwned!
CRS reports used to be rather hard to get hold of, but PHP apparently has a backdoor into getting them. Since this would be well known on Capital Hill, at least to me, it looks like de facto publication.
Re:Well, duh... (Score:2)
How do you recouncile your view with the values codified in FOIA? At a very fundamental level those reports belong to the people of the US who paid for them.
secrecy (Score:2)
The Executive Branch produces all kinds of information with millions of people watching thanks to FOIA.
The current admin, Bush's, is all to happy keeping secrets. Especially when it comes to whistleblowers. Take Sibel Edmonds [cnn.com] , she worked as an FBI translator until they fired her because she was making too much noise. After she testified to congress after 911 the Bush admin slapped a classified rating on the info and a gag order on her. When she hired an attorney to sue over being falsely fired sh
Re:secrecy (Score:2)
If CRS was under the executive branch these reports would be online because they would release them rather than have to deal with FOIA requests which require more work on their part.
Re:secrecy (Score:2)
If CRS was under the executive branch these reports would be online because they would release them rather than have to deal with FOIA requests which require more work on their part.
It doesn't take the FOIA to have the reports from CRS released, what is needed to someone from congress requesting them, then for that person to release them.
FalconRe:secrecy (Score:2)
I hope you can see the difference between a right and a conditional privilege. FOIA is one of the most important tools that the press has for gaining information about what the US govt is doing.
Re:secrecy (Score:2)
I hope you can see the difference between a right and a conditional privilege. FOIA is one of the most important tools that the press has for gaining information about what the US govt is doing.
Yes I know the difference between rights and priviledges, and know all too well about FOIA requests. Leonard Peltier's [freepeltier.org] legal defense team has been waiting year to get thousands of pages from FOIA requests [freepeltier.org] of FBI records.
Falcon
Distributed Government Document Browsing (Score:2, Interesting)
This new glut of public information gave me an idea. Something similar to Distributed Proofreaders [pgdp.net] but for scrutinising government documents. Volunteer readers would look at a few scanned pages, marking the ones that would be of broad interest, and then the most interesting get compiled into a list.
If only there were 25 hours in a day.
When they say "free reports"... (Score:2)
Kill me with excitement (Score:1, Funny)
Program Policy/Accountability at the state level (Score:2)
My Dad says everyone gets this (Score:1)
FOIA for Congress (Score:2)
Unfortunately, FOIA does not apply to the legislative branch, as Congress apparently saw fit to exempt themselves from it. I could entertain an argument that FOIA is not appropriate for Congress, however, it is difficult to recouncile the values codified in FOIA with not making
I find it ironic that (Score:1)
Now, instead of the ratio of external readers to congressmen being 10 to 1, it will be more like 1,000 to 1 which is sad given that
Here's an good find... (Score:1)
Medical Marijuana (Score:1)
Medical Use of Marijuana: Policy and Regulatory Issues
March 01, 2002
Look up this article. You will find it's a historical listing of women in the congress. Also the pdf download is corrupted. I wonder if they are hiding anything.