U.S. Firms Take on Australia's CSIRO Over Patents 426
dingram17 writes "ABC News is reporting that six U.S. computer companies (Apple, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Intel, Microsoft and Netgear) are taking legal action to try to break a U.S. patent that the CSIRO holds on wireless networking.
The CSIRO has patents on OFDM technology, as used in 802.11a and 802.11g. It has been alleged that the CSIRO demands $4 per chipset for the use of this technology. It appears that the patent in question is U.S. Patent 5,487,069 'Wireless LAN.' From a quick look, this appears to be a wide ranging patent."
hypocrisy (Score:3, Interesting)
Whats wrong with this picture? (Score:4, Interesting)
The companies listed I am sure all have patents that are just as far reaching or broad,(didn't sony just apply for a patent for a method of transfering information directly to your brain), which I am sure could be contested in the same way.
I guess the only difference is that Joe Nobody doesn't have the cash or the political/economic connections that these companies have.
if they win, what will the precidence be for the rest of us as to the legality or coverage of US patents? Could this be the loophole many have been looking for to get all those wide reaching, stupid patents we all hate and read about, dismissed?
Re:hypocrisy (Score:4, Interesting)
I think it's great how the system works. Large corporations with large patent portfolios can squeeze money out of, or totally bankrupt, small businesses that can't afford to license patents from the Big Guys. Also, if the Big Guys ever run into a patent they don't like, they can just get together and try to break the patent so that they can use the technology for free!
Re:Turnabout is fair play... (Score:1, Interesting)
AUS v US, GOV v Private industry (Score:4, Interesting)
6 very large, very well backed AMERICAN companies, are going to take an AUSTRALIAN government backed RESEARCH ORGANISATION in an IP battle.
Right after the free trade agreement was struck, that is meant to bring our IP laws into line with the US?
I hope CSIRO doesn't back down. Stick it to the companies. The same companies that would use those laws to screw anyone else, who infringes on their IP.
C'mon AUSSIE C'mon!
Re:Wow.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:hypocrisy (Score:4, Interesting)
What you call hypocritical, I call totally expected behavior.
Have to say that... (Score:5, Interesting)
In other words, you can licence it from me for $4 per unit sold. Complain about the patent; if you lose, it becomes $8 per unit. Complain about anything else, and it becomes $12 per unit. Still want to complain, or am I now your newest bestest buddy...?
Almost seems like common sense, which IP law in general is lacking across the board.
Re:AUS v US, GOV v Private industry (Score:5, Interesting)
That's complete bullshit. I also hope that CSIRO does not back down, and that the companies effectively end up paying $12 per chip, to reimburse CSIRO for its legal costs. I am quite sure that at that point a more sane company will step up with consumer WLAN technology who is happy to pay $4 per chip. I am also quite sure that unless they back the fuck off, I won't buy products from the companies mentioned in TFA anymore.
Re:SCrew the CSIRO (Score:3, Interesting)
You see, the problem is, the CSIRO is fat on government grants, so they don't have to work hard to survive. The rest of us have to fight for commercial funding by doing great research and making stuff that works and is truly ready for commercialisation.
My previous post was a bit of a troll. The CSIRO does do some great work, it's just that most of it isn't in my area.
The thing about stealing ideas is a bit personal. Their wideband channel sounder is pretty much a carbon copy of something they saw on a tour of our institution. We were talking about our ideas, and they were saying that their approach was so much better, then next month they've got something that's a copy of ours.
Re:Wow.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Tech paid for by Australian tax payers shouldn't be free to Australian Corps
or
Tech paid for by US tax payer shouldn't be free to US Corps.
Raises the question how much tech is paid for by donation and gov. funding(i.e. the public) is tied up in private hands?
As an Aussie (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:From the patent: (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Wow.... (Score:3, Interesting)
That wouldn't explain why it's funding is being cut so drastically. The Federal Government has been reducing funding for the CSIRO (not to mention Universities - nowadays, most unis get most of their funding from overseas full-fee paying students, making it harder for ordinary Australian students out of high school to get a uni place - but that's another rant) since it got into power. Meanwhile, we all get tax cuts (but you only get the big ones if you earn over $70,000 a year)! Yay!
Ethically, I believe patents are wrong (how can someone own an idea???), but given the funding cuts, I'm not surprised the CSIRO has resorted to finding funding from other sources.
Last time this happened... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:hypocrisy (Score:2, Interesting)
They picked a strong enough opponent for it. The CSIRO is very well established and respected in Australia, being involved in all kinds of useful industry research, from this to better milk pasturisation, so I'd say the patent has the details to back itself up. And since the CSIRO doesn't produce any products of its own, its immune from attack by the enormous patent libraries these companies own (the usual tatic).
I'm not sure how they'll proceed but it'll be an interesting one to watch play out...
Re:The end is here.... (Score:3, Interesting)
It's the only way to break the system (Score:1, Interesting)
Everytime a patent screws the big guys is to be applauded, everytime it screws the little guy it is to be deplored. There is nothing inconsistent about it.
The real reason: reciprocal patent exchange (Score:1, Interesting)
They all do some kind of "I can use these patents of yours, you can use these patents of mine" with each other.
Here comes CSIRO. Not interested in such thing, as it is of no use for them, CSIRO declined.
My enemy's enemy is my friend. Let's show this kid what happens, if he doesn't want to play along.
Had CSIRO agreed to some patent exchange, we would have never heared the claim that this patent is not valid. If this patent is valid or not did not matter for the formation of this opposition group.