BountyQuest CEO Patenting Lighting Toilet Water 183
theodp writes "Charles Cella, CEO of the widely-hyped Jeff Bezos and Tim O'Reilly funded patent reform vehicle BountyQuest, has filed for a number of patents since BountyQuest's demise, including one that covers illuminating water in a toilet bowl (see FIG. 7). Cella's co-inventors include principals of Color Kinetics, which has come under fire for strong-arm patent tactics and whose Board colorfully likens its IP to nuclear weapons."
Prior Art (Score:3, Funny)
When I was young, we used to chug a pitcher of Plutonium and really light up the bowl.
Re:Prior Art (Score:1)
Real Prior Art (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Prior Art (Score:2)
Well, I was going to say tequila instead of Plutonium but same thing.
Re:Prior Art (Score:2)
I would recommend running though....
Illuminating Water? (Score:1, Funny)
Full of shit (Score:4, Informative)
This guy is full of [shadowbrowser.com]
shit
Have a read down the list below. If this patent is granted, we will all be
taking dumps in the dark.
The items in question:
57. A method of providing illumination for a toilet, comprising: providing a
light system with a plurality of LEDs and a processor for controlling a color of
light from the LEDs; and disposing the light system in connection with a toilet.
58. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
it on the seat of the toilet.
59. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
it in the toilet bowl.
60. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
it in a rack above the toilet bowl.
61. A method of claim 57, wherein disposing the light system comprises disposing
it in connection with an odor control facility.
62. A system for providing illumination for a toilet, comprising: a light system
with a plurality of LEDs and a processor for controlling a color of light from
the LEDs; and a toilet, wherein the light system is disposed to illuminate a
portion of the toilet.
63. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed on the seat of
the toilet.
64. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed in the toilet
bowl.
65. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed in a rack above
the toilet bowl.
66. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed in connection
with an odor control facility.
Re:Full of shit (Score:3, Funny)
63. A system of claim 63, wherein the light system is disposed on the seat of
the toilet.
I like the recursive nature of this item though, maybe the guy is a GNU fan.
Re:Full of shit (Score:3, Interesting)
I've said this countless times and my goal is to be eventually moderated Redundant instead of alternating between Troll and Informative.
[Crash course]"Obvious" as regards a US patent means that you can produce multiple pieces of prior that can be combined to produce the claimed invention, AND you have documented motivation in the prior art (very preferably in one of those references).[/Crash course]
See f
Re:Full of shit (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Full of shit (Score:1, Offtopic)
Or was it The Wall that all the potheads listened to while watching that movie.
Re:Full of shit (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Full of shit (Score:2)
The sober ones were left wondering why we were watching a TV with no sound to a music track that was off beat. I only remember two scenes where I was like "wow, that's dead on." But I bet any Vin Diesel movie over a Metallica CD would probably do the same thing.
Re:Full of shit (Score:2, Funny)
Myth: Busted (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Myth: Busted (Score:2)
Re:Myth: Busted (Score:2)
I have issues with their test method. Their fake, gravity-powered bladder is no match for a real, muscle-powered bladder. The correct next step would be to film a real guy peeing to see if the stream is solid, not to move the rail up to within an inch of their dummy. But I guess they didn't have time to do that or something, so instead they go with the cheap, easy way out so they can show their dummy getting 'electrocuted' in front o
Re:Myth: Busted (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Full of shit (Score:2)
If I take my "technicolor yawn" and send it to his home address am I no longer liable for royalties?
Re:Full of shit (Score:1, Funny)
No pun intended (?).
Re:Full of shit (Score:2, Informative)
I have prior art (Score:2)
I don't get it... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I don't get it... (Score:2)
I'm going to apply for a patent for "Method and Process for Modifying the Air Flow Characteristics of Olfactory Sensors"
... then I can start charging all the little brats for picking their noses.
inovation (Score:4, Funny)
What someone really needs to invent... (Score:2, Funny)
Oh yeah! Well... (Score:2, Funny)
What kind of stupid moron thinks this patent is worth the paper its written on? Is there a large market for lighted toilet water? What kind of competition is out there?
Re:Oh yeah! Well... (Score:1)
Re:Oh yeah! Well... (Score:2)
It gives a whole new meaning to the web banner ads begging to "hit the cockroach", "shock the monkey" or "swat the fly".
Now we will have "sink the battleship" or "put out the fire". Men at urinals everywhere will try to "shoot down the zero" or rack up points pissing down animated flies.
Dunno what we would do for the women...
Here we go again (Score:5, Insightful)
What we really need is a patent that *hurt*. Nothing will get rid of this ridiculous system, until we find a way to grab the legislators in the balls.
Maybe we need to play dirty. We need patents that compromise the US's national defense. Patents that prevent the IRS from doing its job. Patents that hurt lawyers, and politicians, and people in charge of the system who have no idea what they are doing.
Re:Here we go again (Score:3, Interesting)
We need patents that compromise the US's national defense. Patents that prevent the IRS from doing its job.
Those wouldn't help, as Congress could just authorize eminent domain and expense a token "just compensation".
Re:Here we go again (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Here we go again (Score:2)
Customers aren't liable for a business' violating a patent. To wit, Polaroid v. Kodak: Kodak made an instant camera that violated Polaroid's patent on same. Kodak had to stop making the infringing cameras and their film plus pay Polaroid damages + interest plus had to buy back all the infringing Kodak cameras from people that bought them. Side note: It's often amusing to s
All infringers are liable (Score:2)
For an example of the patent holder pursuing the end user, look up the Solaia [manufacturing.net] case.
Re:All infringers are liable (Score:2)
How about an example that amounts to more than extortion? Solaia has only threatened legal action and received out of court sett
Sovereign immunity (Score:3, Informative)
Lawyers & politicians haven't been doing much new and innovative that might be stopped by patent. That's one of their many problems.
Re:Sovereign immunity (Score:2)
Well, it might work... assuming the current government motto of "outsource everything" comes into play. Take for example, Private Military Companies [globalsecurity.org]. If the army wants to sidestep Geneva conventions and public oversight by outsourcing the ugly parts to corporations, then someone should be able to patent something important to effectively toss a sabot into the machinery [wordorigins.org].
Left as an exercise to reader: After d
Google on "Sovereign immunity" patent (Score:2)
As for international violations, they apply only where the patent has jurisdiction. The US government is free to violate french patents so long as they do so on American soil.
picutures? (Score:1)
Re:picutures? (Score:2)
He can have it (Score:2)
Is there an invention here? (Score:4, Interesting)
I think this is the sort of patent Justice Bradley described as the "foam" of the "advancing wave of improvement".
1) People like things lit
2) There's lots of ways of lighting things now.
3) Here, we'll broadly patent lighting up a whole bunch of things.
4) PROFIT
Though I think the "inventor" must have been forced at gunpoint to write this patent... consider the line "Example: as your tidy bowl reached the terrifying point of not flooding the sewer lines with chlorine at every flush, your tiny tricolor LED would pulse RED hues to alert you."
Re:Is there an invention here? (Score:2, Funny)
I'd be inclined to think someone told them "It's a good idea. Better include everything AND the kitchen sink on your patent." So they did.
K***** (Score:2, Informative)
We light commodes, suanas, showers, baths, and faucets all day long, and we won't stop anytime soon.
See you at the National Homebuilders Show.
(FYI, colors you will never see in our displays illuminating commodes or tubs: yellow or red. Think about it.)
Re:K***** (Score:1)
Re:K***** (Score:2)
Re:K***** (Score:2)
Any moron with a little cash can file one of these patents. I'm hoping someone slaps this one down, and hard. I'm also not holding my breath.
Re:K***** (Score:2)
Patent examiners are generally given about 10 hours to conduct a prior art search. If they find it, they find it. If they don't, they go home to their families and private lives at the end of the day like anyone else. If you have a financial interest in the prior art, make a simple submission under 37 CFR 1.99. If you have non-secret information, like publicly available product manuals, blue prints, or oth
Am I in trouble? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh wait, prior art. I did that twenty five years ago. *Whew*
Re:Prior Art (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Prior Art (Score:5, Funny)
Let's be honest about this (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Let's be honest about this (Score:2)
Prior art device to create lighted target in bowl (Score:2, Informative)
I saw this at least 5 years ago.
Also, Japan is so far ahead of the US for toliet automation -they haves seats/toliets that have lights, sprayed perfumes, measure blood pressure, urine sugar, fecal blood, spray water on your ass after you're done, etc, etc, etc.
Re:Prior art device to create lighted target in bo (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Prior art device to create lighted target in bo (Score:4, Funny)
Don't worry. Robots never have any interest in abusing the orifices of innocent humans. Not even in Japan.
That's the tentacle demons' job, and their union is very touchy about demarcation issues and has high-level contacts with the yakuza.
Re:Prior art device to create lighted target in bo (Score:2)
As for having my toilet know about my urine sugar, hell no. Start with patents and soon you'll have Microsoft involved.
Brings a whole new meaning to "Where do you want to go today?" doesn't it?
He's patenting case mods! (Score:2)
The glowing toilet crap is just that, crap. And about as likely to sell.
But, from what I read, "All your case mods are belong to him."
Re:He's patenting case mods! (Score:2)
Next on the patent list...? (Score:4, Funny)
Unless someone claims prior (f)art??!!
Sorry.
Bring on the Vogon construction fleets. (Score:3, Funny)
Bring on the Vogon construction fleets. Truly our species no longer has any worth.
Re:Bring on the Vogon construction fleets. (Score:1)
Nah, bring on the "B" Ark. We'll get rid of all the unnecessary people and enjoy a utopian society!
(Note: do not get rid of phone sanitizers)
I thought it said "lightning" (Score:1)
Aha! (Score:1)
Just what the world needs, a better lighting on our turds.
Brilliant.
This is absurdly pointless... (Score:4, Insightful)
FYI, most poo is brown (depending on your diet and health) and emits low molecular weight volatile organic compounds (this is why you smell it). I don't need to see it in the dark in the middle of the night. The next thing you know, they'll attach a linux cluster to it with sensors and cataloging every loaf-pinching session for monitoring your health, nutrient uptake, excretory efficiency rating, etc... Then when you're sick, the toilet can forward all the data to the doctors at the hospital.
"Yup Mr. Smith, it's right here in your toilet's log, your daily intake of fiber decreased over a 7 month period. We recommend that you buy 42 coconuts with the soft fiberous shell intact, and eat the shreaded fiber for one week. This will remove all of the undigested red meat that is obstructing your bowels."
Worse yet, I actually took the (wasted) time to write this scenerio.
Re:This is absurdly pointless... (Score:2)
don't mix claims no. 6 and 12 together!!! (Score:4, Interesting)
6. A method of claim 5(container contains a fluid), wherein the fluid is selected from the group consisting of water, ammonia, bleach, window cleaner, insect repellant, insect killer, lotion, soap, liquid soap, kitchen cleaner, bathroom cleaner, shaving gel, cleaning fluid, lighter fluid, furniture polish, wood treatment, paint, primer, drain cleaner, disinfectant, room deodorizer, carpet deodorizer, room scent, perfume, cologne, shaving foam, toilet cleaner, aerosol, skin care fluid, suntan lotion, shampoo, surface cleaner, and liquid wax.
12. A method of claim 1(lighting a product), wherein the household product is selected from the group consisting of a pencil, a pen, a fork, a knife, a spoon, a kitchen utensil, a whisk, a broom, a bottle, a glass, a mug, a coffee maker, a toothpaste tube, a dispenser, a shampoo bottle, a soap holder, a razor, an electric razor, a hair dryer, a picture frame, a marker, a jar, a makeup facility, a perfume dispenser, a brush, a lipstick, and a candle.
IMHO the USPTO is giving out too many highly specific applications patents. maybe if i specify that my lighting system only illuminates the "toiletbowl-bound stream of urine just before surface impact, thereby creating a firework like display" i'll get a patent for lighting a toiletbowl too! then i can sue anyone who turns the light on to pee!
Re:don't mix claims no. 6 and 12 together!!! (Score:2)
Use 2 or 3 and gradient the colours for that final touch.
You're onto a winner there!
Color Kinetics patent issues (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Color Kinetics patent issues (Score:1)
Two companies involved in a multi-million dollar lawsuit over who has monopoly rights on lighting an assortment of meaningless tat with a bunch of LEDs.
Let us hope that such government by the legal profession and for the legal profession will never vanish from this earth.
Two actual bona fide applications for this patent (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Two actual bona fide applications for this pate (Score:1)
PS : If you get into the "consistency" bit, you're in big, big trouble.
Re:Two actual bona fide applications for this pate (Score:2)
Are such things actually available yet? The shortest wavelength LED I'd been able to find for sale thus far was, as I recall, around 340nm, and THEY were $50US each...
A bit about multi-color LED lighting (Score:5, Informative)
LEDs emit light, directly or indirectly, only on a few narrow wavelengths. Therefore unless you're looking for just those few colors you're going to have to do mixing of multiple LEDs to get intermediate shades.
Complicating things further is that not all wavelengths are emitted equally strongly, and also that the human eye doesn't perceive all color equally strongly. This isn't a case of RGB, or CMY, it's a few off-variations of differing intensities.
Therefore to produce a specific shade, say Corporate Logo Color, Pantone #22578, isn't a no-brainer. The same is true for visually smoothly fading from shade to shade, it's not just a matter of turning down Bank A and turning up Bank B. Instead some calculations need to take place to make it all look decent, and that is the space where Color Kinetics has got their patents.
BTW, for those interested, Color Kinetics makes a home product series, "Sauce". These are night-lights & light bulb replacements that can be set to strobe, flicker, cross-fade in different ranges, etc. They're pricey at US $10-20, are available at many toy stores, and tend to crap out after a year or two of use (the blue goes.)
I use mine in my bathroom as a ever cross-fading night light, also set to one shade or another on on an empty white living room wall to 'punch it up'. I've friends who use their's for mood lighting in their bedroom.
Re:A bit about multi-color LED lighting (Score:2)
Re:A bit about multi-color LED lighting (Score:3, Informative)
Suprisingly similiar. (Score:2)
Big s*** patents big s***. (Score:1)
Throw a snake in the mix (Score:1)
Sorry.
Can't tell (Score:2)
Re:Can't tell (Score:2)
Re:Can't tell (Score:2)
He shots, he scores! (Score:1)
But semi-seriously, this thing will really take off once they get Billy Mays [atmospheric-violence.com] to sell it over an infomercial.
Prior art? (Score:1)
(Also note to the webmaster: sorry for slashdotting your site, dude.)
Interesting Colr Kinetics LED patent history (Score:5, Informative)
stop being so hard on this patent (Score:1)
Another obvious punchline... (Score:1)
That will be me now every time I light up the toilet bowl after a trip to Taco Bell.
Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.
Seems obvious to me... (Score:1)
Amazing ingenuity ;-( (Score:2)
Wow!
There are ways for microprocessors to control voltages or currents? Incredible!
I HAVE PRIOR ART ON THIS (Score:2)
I have prior art, thanks to grain alcohol and a devil may care attitude:
Toilet Water Colored a Brilliant Luminescent Orange-Red [bobbyisosceles.com]
Nothing New Here! (Score:2)
Seriously this type of enlightened bullcrapp is a joke. Really bring out the seriousness of our patent system where as someone can actually patent this stuff. If current LEDs where available in the 70's prior art would have ruled this out.
This patent thing has gone way too far-nothing new, but when the tax paying dollars are going to verify these types of
Re:Nothing New Here! (Score:2)
I can think of several valuable uses for a technology of this kind - such as changing the lighting in a refrigerator that holds temperature sensitive materials after a temperature spike. Or by causing individual medicine or food containers that had become dated, spoiled, contaminated, recalled, mishandled or tampered with to glow red.
The problem I have with
Simpsons in Japan (Score:2)
Toilet: I am honored to accept your waste.
Homer: Whoa! They're years ahead of us.
Kids, watching TV: Hey look, Dad's on TV.
*Zipper noise.*
Kids, Marge: AAAAAHAHHHAHAH!
Anyways, we still haven't caught up with the East's clearly superior lavatory technology. Until then, I say, good luck!
Re:Simpsons in Japan (Score:2)
You forgot to mention, however, that the camera was *inside* the bowl, looking up through the water.
I'd go into more detail, but I had a bad experience with a certain website, with "cx" as its domain name, as a child....
Claim 1 (Score:3, Insightful)
1. A method of providing illumination (light) for a household product (wall), comprising: providing a light system (lamp) under the control of a processor (light switch + person) for providing illumination (light) of a selected color (white); and disposing the illumination system in proximity to the household product to light a feature of the household product (putting the lamp near a wall).
Don't like a wall being considered a household object? Fine, pick something else.
Re:Prior art should be easy to find on that one... (Score:1)
Re:WTF, third post marked redundant??? (Score:2, Informative)
I also expect to see lots of "I patent using patents to get licensing fees". Always funny.
Re:Man, I hope they don't patent... (Score:2)
Re:did anyone else read that as "lightning"? (Score:1)
I was really wondering what they were trying to do. I really can't understand why they can't leave our shit alone....
Re:resume of the article...with colors... (Score:2)
I get that anyway... although I probably drink waaay too much Guinness.