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MPAA Under Investigation for Illegal NYPD Payoffs 500

An anonymous reader writes "The New York Post is reporting that two NYPD officers are being investigated for taking illegal payoffs from the MPAA for busting sellers of pirated DVDs. According to the article, MPAA investigators would tell the cops where pirated movies were being sold, which is perfectly legal, but, after the bust, they'd give them several hundred dollars in gratuities, which is illegal. Naturally, the MPAA denies all of this."
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MPAA Under Investigation for Illegal NYPD Payoffs

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  • by npfscayle ( 671641 ) <cayle.warden@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:54AM (#12321719)
    I'm all for free movies, but when people sell them, they should get arrested.
    Save the bandwidth for me. :)
  • strange (Score:4, Interesting)

    by scenestar ( 828656 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:55AM (#12321721) Homepage Journal
    For a rightious organisation out to protect the lawfull rights of artists they have a rather odd way of practice
    • Re:strange (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Spy der Mann ( 805235 ) <spydermann.slash ... com minus distro> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @08:11AM (#12322101) Homepage Journal
      For a rightious organisation out to protect the lawfull rights of artists they have a rather odd way of practice

      Yeah, but for a greedy organization dedicated to stealing money from their users, that's no surprise to me.

      Unfortunately (for the *AA enemies) I think this is an isolated case, rather than their modus operandi. After all, it's reasonable to expect that one or two cops (or even a P.D.) can be corrupt, isn't it?
  • Money making (Score:5, Interesting)

    by markild ( 862998 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:56AM (#12321724)
    "The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that it loses $3.5 billion in potential worldwide revenue because of movie piracy."

    Surely the can't expect that their raids of arrests will provide them with more sales.

    Where they thinking that as long they're already on the red number side, they could just buy themselves some police forces?
    • by BitterAndDrunk ( 799378 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:25AM (#12321942) Homepage Journal
      There are two ways to improve the bottom line for a firm:
      Increase Sales
      Reduce Cost

      The MPAA considers piracy to be a "cost" that they wish to control, to assist their bottom line.

    • Surely the can't expect that their raids of arrests will provide them with more sales.

      Apperantly they do, and don't call me shurley...

    • Re:Money making (Score:5, Insightful)

      by laird ( 2705 ) <lairdp@gm a i l.com> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @10:30AM (#12322685) Journal
      "Surely the can't expect that their raids of arrests will provide them with more sales."

      If I understand your claim, I think you're wrong.

      Yes, I think that they do in fact think that when people buy bootleg copies of DVD's that they don't buy legit copies of the DVD's, so shutting down illegal manufacturers (i.e. factories that manufacture DVD's that they don't pay royalties on, and street vendors who burn DVD-R's and don't pay royalties) they reduce the supply of bootlegs and thus increase sales of legit DVD's.

      Is there something there that you disagree with?
      • Re:Money making (Score:4, Insightful)

        by maxpublic ( 450413 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @01:08PM (#12323774) Homepage
        Is there something there that you disagree with?

        Reducing the supply of bootlegs doesn't translate into increased sales of legitimiate DVDs. Economics tells us that the higher the price vs the perceived value, the less people who'll buy the product. It could very well be that the price of the bootleg is acceptable to bootleg customers, but that the price of the legal DVD is not.

        Which means that you might get *no* increase in legal DVDs by shutting down bootleg operations. You will, however, acquire power that you didn't have before (by definition).

        Max
  • What's worse? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:58AM (#12321727)
    I don't know who's worse: people paying cops to enforce the law, or cops that won't enforce it unless you pay them extra.

    • Re:What's worse? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by vadim_t ( 324782 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:50AM (#12321854) Homepage
      Not every crime is equally important.

      I think I can see the logic of this - most cops probably don't give a damn about who's selling DVDs, especially since the people who do it (at least here) are usually immigrants (sometimes illegal) who have a very poor knowledge of the language and can't get a job.

      Doesn't seem to be much point to me in arresting some guy who managed to get some income that way, when there are much more harmful people out there. I think most cops would be pretty happy with that at least they're not selling drugs or mugging people.
    • I don't know who's worse: people paying cops to enforce the law, or cops that won't enforce it unless you pay them extra.

      Why people paying cops to enforce the law of course. Cops are not very well paid to begin with, so they have my empathy for accepting tips enforcing the law. To be honest this sounds very sloppy for the MPAA standards, but I can't argue that tipping police with just enough money to help pay that credit card bill but not quite enough to make you feel obligated to your new employers w
      • Re:What's worse? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by GoofyBoy ( 44399 )
        >but I can't argue that tipping police with just enough money to help pay that credit card bill

        If this is the case, then there is something wrong with the system. I thought that was what a salary was for.

        Can I pay a guy to be busy with minor offenses so that my major offense will be ignored?

        • Re:What's worse? (Score:3, Interesting)

          by zakezuke ( 229119 )
          If this is the case, then there is something wrong with the system. I thought that was what a salary was for.

          There is something wrong with the system when cops for example feel it necessary to accept tips or moonlight as security with their uniform in order to make ends meet. I'm very offended by the practice but i'm not going to get angry with the cop because of it.

          Can I pay a guy to be busy with minor offenses so that my major offense will be ignored?

          Indeed you can... doesn't make it right but i'm
    • Re:What's worse? (Score:5, Informative)

      by zotz ( 3951 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @08:11AM (#12322102) Homepage Journal
      "I don't know who's worse: people paying cops to enforce the law, or cops that won't enforce it unless you pay them extra."

      Sure, if it were as simple as that. But could it be that you are buying a change in their priorities? For instance, they really should be dealing with the mugger that has been in Central Park recently, but because of your "tips" they ignore the threat of physical harm to citizens and instead help you enforce your copyrights.

      Another thought just came to me. Haven't I seen something in the news recently about cities refusing to have local police enfore federal laws? So aren't copyright violations, violations of federal laws? Was this the FBI getting "tips" or city cops? Hmmmm. Anyone care to bat this thought around?

      all the best,

      drew
    • Re:What's worse? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 )
      I think selling illegal copies of other people's works is bad, and I'm not for distributing illegal copies of other people's works for free, but I wonder about jurisdiction here. Is it really the job of state and city cops to enforce federal law? Or are there city and state laws against this?
  • Full Text if /.'ed (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    April 21, 2005 -- Two NYPD veterans are being investigated by Internal Affairs for allegedly accepting payoffs from the motion-picture industry to arrest vendors of pirated DVDs, law-enforcement sources told The Post.

    One officer, a sergeant on the force since 1992, has been transferred from the Staten Island Task Force to the 122nd Precinct pending the internal investigation.

    The other, a cop for five years, still works on the task force.

    As members of the unit, the officers, ages 36 and 32, would arrest
  • by BrookHarty ( 9119 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:59AM (#12321733) Journal
    The MPAA giving to someones campaign funds is perfectly legal, lets say a Police Chief, who then in turn is tough on copyright crimes.

    Yup, business as usual.

  • Which it be? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by n0dalus ( 807994 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:04AM (#12321749) Journal
    FTA: Two NYPD veterans are being investigated by Internal Affairs...
    From title: MPAA Under Investigation for Illegal NYPD Payoffs

    So, who's under investigation here?
  • by William Robinson ( 875390 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:05AM (#12321752)
    Uh.. No Officer.. I just read it on slashdot that you accept cash.
  • I am not surprised (Score:5, Interesting)

    by andydread ( 758754 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:22AM (#12321783)
    The MPAA and the RIAA will stop at nothing to protect their monopolies. These 2 corrupt officers are just a tip of the giant iceberg of people that recieve huge sums from the MPAA and RIAA. Some others - Several politicians, Virus writers. Yes they employ these people to create nastyware to disrupt p2p networks. and many many more people are bribed by these organizations. The MPAA and the RIAA are among the most corrupt organizations in America. And the blatantly lie about their the root cause of their losses almost every year. It is about time they are investigated but I fear they may buy out the investigation.
  • Loosing revenue? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Darvin ( 878219 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:33AM (#12321811)
    "The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that it loses $3.5 billion in potential worldwide revenue because of movie piracy."

    Perhaps the reason the MPAA and RIAA is loosing 3.5 billion is because spending the money on bent officials?

  • by Adult film producer ( 866485 ) <van@i2pmail.org> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:46AM (#12321840)
    Living in New York is an expensive lifestyle. But on the other hand, New York cops really seem to enjoy themselves when it comes to corruption. Take for example last year's Republican convention. New York Cops did their best to round up thousands of people, stick them in an asbestos contaminated concentration camp and then charge them with crimes they never committed.

    The Banno Story - Corrupt nyc cops lie, the DA encourages and participates in the lies.. get caught red handed [indymedia.org]
    Police Perjurers [yahoo.com]
    another story related to the new york DA editing/manipulating video tapes [pacifica.org]

    Google the story, hundreds of cases have been dropped because the Police were inventing stories that never happened and then having the DA charge innocent people with full knowledge.
    • You're a fool. Its not the beat cops that came up with that tactic. It was City Hall, federal gov't, and the Police Commissioner. The cops were just following their marching orders. Processing time was not the cops fault. It was an obvious plan to keep protesters away from the convention. Illegal, of course, but apparently the attention of City Hall.

      The perjurers obviously need to be punished, but its the inevitable result when you're arresting a city block, rather than people "disturbing the peace"
  • how ironic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Sv-Manowar ( 772313 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:49AM (#12321847) Homepage Journal
    the MPAA breaking the law to enforce the law. oh the irony.

    People have been saying for years that the MPAA need to try harder to stop piracy before the movies get leaked. Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Maybe it's time they started listening.
  • At last (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Turn-X Alphonse ( 789240 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:50AM (#12321851) Journal
    The wolf reveals it's true colours. Now do the same to the RIAA and throw all their court cases out untill further investigate (which will lead to price fixing and various other crimes being "discovered"). And since it's been proven that this companies buy people off it'll be impossible to buy off the judge/jury because people wille xpect it and if it seems fishy it'll be looked into.

    Good game gentleman. You lose this round and hopefully won't come back.
  • by sugapablo ( 600023 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:53AM (#12321861) Homepage
    Why is it that this makes me want to do a little happy dance? :)

    I bet the MPAA thought that while their actions might have been *technically* illegal, they certainly weren't hurting anybody.

    Sound familiar?
    • by AtariAmarok ( 451306 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:55AM (#12321865)
      " bet the MPAA thought that while their actions might have been *technically* illegal, they certainly weren't hurting anybody. Sound familiar?"

      The next step is to call them thieves.

    • by Cryofan ( 194126 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @10:05AM (#12322589) Journal
      Why is it that I am the only one who seems to understand that we need to go back to harsh punishments for powerful people (e.g., politicians, CEO's, etc) who are obviously crooked. We need to try, convict and sentence all this powerful and corrupt people. Sentence them to death by hanging.
      That is the only way to swing the pendulum back, to correct the culture.
  • by AtariAmarok ( 451306 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:59AM (#12321878)
    Bad cops, bad cops

    New York's finest paid by MPAA
    Bust down your door and take your movie away!
    In de car or on de horse,
    They'll take your DVD's with excessive force.

    Bad cops, bad cops.

  • Hypocrites (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Kaorimoch ( 858523 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:06AM (#12321896) Journal
    I think we should run an ad in every movie theatre for MPAA members and affiliates to remind them that "Paying off cops is a crime". We could even show the cops who were paid off in the ad to remind them what happens if you bribe law enforcement officials as part of the cops settlement arrangement.

    They want us to obey the law but forget to do it themselves. Great example guys.
  • Hardly surprising... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dysjunct ( 443107 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:25AM (#12321944) Homepage
    The music industry has been involved in payola for years and years, despite it being illegal. Why should they see this as anything different? They'll just come up with yet another excuse as to why this isn't payola. Is it a private gift from one individual to another, which -- totally coincidentally -- happens to be from an RIAA member to a NYPD officer? You can't prove anything! What, you want to outlaw gifts?

    (In Soviet Russia, gifts outlaw YOU!)
  • by bani ( 467531 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:32AM (#12321961)
    It's not the first time [nytimes.com] the RIAA has been involved in criminal activity.

    Law enforcement goes wild and imprisons students for sharing a few thousand dollars worth of mp3s. It's about time we start imprisoning music industry CEOs who steal $143 million from the public.
  • by Nebu ( 566313 ) <nebupookins@@@gmail...com> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:51AM (#12322026) Homepage

    An MPAA tip, for example, led to the recent prosecution of Randy Guthrie, the black sheep of a blueblood New York family, who was recently sentenced to 21/2 years in a Chinese jail for selling nearly $1 million in pirated movies over the Internet.

    Why don't they just say 10.5 years?

  • come on (Score:5, Funny)

    by nomadic ( 141991 ) <nomadicworld@ g m a i l . com> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:51AM (#12322027) Homepage
    You're SUPPOSED to tip police officers, it's only common courtesy.
  • by bcmm ( 768152 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:51AM (#12322029)
    How much does this great service cost? I can think of people I would like to have arrested...
  • Bugger me! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:55AM (#12322037)
    Paying Cops to bust people!

    Next thing you know they start paying politicians to change laws.

    Oh shit, nevermind...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 23, 2005 @08:37AM (#12322190)
    Notice what the man from the MPAA said:

    -->
    "We don't give cash to police officers," said Bill Shannon, an MPAA anti-piracy official.
    --

    Isn't that an odd way of putting a "denial"?

    So Billy, what kind of gratuities do you actually use if not cash?
  • by Anonymous Meoward ( 665631 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @11:06AM (#12322932)
    Granted, the title [imdb.com] I was hawking didn't help...
  • by hotspotbloc ( 767418 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:10PM (#12325786) Homepage Journal
    There are basically no "checks and balances" for Police departments in the US, unlike almost every other government function. They steal, lie, sell illegal drugs and kill for personal gain and pleasure while making +$70K per year in salary and "duty play" to sleep in their cruisers. Orwell said it best:
    For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:
    ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
    BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
    [...]
    Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
    Police are the pigs of our society. They rule unjustly, refuse to allow anyone outside of the law enforcement community to review their actions and most people are too afraid to speak up against their injustices for fear of reprisals.

    Esteban Carpio [cnn.net] and Abner Louima [cnn.com] got to see police revenge in action. No trial, just beaten within an inch of their lives. With Abner Louima the NYC Police department repeatedly raped his by jambing a toilet plunger in his anus while yelling "Take this, nigger". And these are the ones that lived.

    I'm sorry, but the police are a cancer on society. And before anyone says I don't understand I was once a LEO assigned to the US Marshall's Office for three years (among other duties). Most cops are nothing more than stupid animals that couldn't think for themselves if they're life depended on it. While there are many exceptions including some excellent police officers, it is clearly not the norm.

    Remember this: next time you get pulled over remember who has their hand on a service issued firearm and who is unarmed. Does it make you feel a little scared? If there's a disagreement are they going to believe you or the cop?

    Check out the moive "The Thin Blue Line" (1988). It's about how the police framed Randall Dale Adams for the murder of a police officer. He's was weeks from execution before the truth can out and freed.

    Many cops carry "throwaway pieces", handguns and knifes that can't be traced back to them so if they kill someone they have an excuse. Back in the '80s I spent some time riding with the Washington DC PD and reported to an officer shooting a suspect. The officer claimed the suspect (now quite dead) had a knife. An Inspector came out, didn't see a knife and said he'd back in five minutes. When he returned there were now four knifes under the body. It seems a few "people" grabbed their throwaway knifes and kicked it under the body without checking to see if someone else had already done it. The Inspecter saw the knifes and closed the case as a justifed shooting. Maybe it would've been different if the kid (16 years old) wasn't black and didn't live in public housing.

    Welcome to Amerika.

    Abner Louima: NYC officer arrested in alleged sexual attack on suspect [cnn.com]
    Esteban Carpio: No bail for suspect in detective's shooting [cnn.com]

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