Russians Claim Their Hackers the Best In the World 551
Ant writes "ZDNet UK reports that Russians who once hacked for fun are now teaming up to get rich through cybercrime, according to police. The Russian cybercrime division, known as Department K, has warned that Russian hackers are the best in the world. From the article: 'Everyone knows that Russians are good at math...Our software writers are the best in the world, that's why our hackers are the best in the world.'"
Pity... (Score:5, Funny)
I guess by "best" they mean "second best."
Re:Pity... (Score:2, Funny)
Maybe they are just too busy running their evil empires to compete in competitions?
Sorry (Score:2, Funny)
Double Sorry (Score:2, Funny)
Therefore, in Soviet Russia, forgiveness for the corny post finds you (!)
-1 Flamebait (Score:4, Insightful)
This story should be flagged -1 flamebait.
I mean, seriously... back in the days of Soviet Russia (must resist), there used to be propaganda that claimed that a Russian invented the lightbulb, and other stuff like that.
This is no better than American Patroitism. As an American, let me say that we are NOT the best country in the world, and that any time we say that we are, we sound as silly as the russians here.
Anyway, I'd loooove to hear what the Chinese hackers have to say about this.
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sure we'll find out soon, all over the front pages of Department K's website, along with the strange Chinese term "0wn3d".
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Probably something like "fuck USA Government - fuck PoizonBOx" only forgetting to close the TABLE tag.
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Besides, lots of software is written in Russia: Microsoft Flight Simulator, IDEA (the best Java IDE) , etc.
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:5, Informative)
Anyway, I know what I'm saying, because the company I work at, has a lot of common projects with RITlabs (their office is nextdoor). I can see the building from my balcony.
I admit that WinRAR is the a great archiver, and Acronis TrueImage does kick Ghost\DriveImage\etc... but The Bat! is a 100% moldovan product.
uhhm... here's their contact info: http://ritlabs.com/en/about/contacts.php
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:5, Informative)
It is _not_ a russian company; the program is _not_ made by russians.
It is true that their developers speak russian... But you don't happen to know the history of Moldova, do you?
[because of the way things evolved.. everyone refers to any ex-soviet country as 'Russia', and to all the ex-soviet citizens as 'russians'. but this is a mistake]
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Why? Simple. They're organized. VERY well organized. There are massive rings of talented hackers who have found ways of cracking into boxes, zombifiying them stealing all the information they can out of them, then using them to send spam and phishing scams. They steal credit card numbers by the thousands.
For the most part, such hackers in the rest of the world work alone, or in small groups. In Russia, there are numerous and large rings of these hackers, backed by the Russian mafia. Thanks to an astounding lack of law in Russia, that means they're basically untouchable...
So yeah. I'd say they're the best in the world. Not that there's much pride to derive from that... Just like the Nigerians are quite proficient at e-mail scams...
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:2, Interesting)
I don't know anybody in the
My block list is beginning to look more like a white list.
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:5, Insightful)
Russia has top notch schools cranking out top notch programmers, and no jobs for them. At all. A frightening level of Russia's wealth is concentrated in the Mafia, and in order for stealing them more, they pay more per month than most Russian citizens earn legitimately per year (Which still isn't much). What police there are who actually desire to establish law and order are either killed, threatened, or bribed into complacency. Politicians on the National scale are busy stealing power while politicians on the local scale are busy stealing cash wherever and whenever they can, forming a bona fide kleptocracy.
It's not just 'a lack of law and order'. It's a lack of law and order and legitimate jobs and money in a place with well educated and well trained populace with a very strong criminal organization.
That's oversimplifying in turn (Score:5, Informative)
That's interesting. Look, I'm a graduate of arguably the best university here in Russia, CS dept (I leave judging my worth as a programmer to others). I had a job before I graduated, and I had no problems finding a new job since then. I met my classmates at a reunion party recently, and everyone seemed well-to-do, working a nice clean job home or abroad; I've heard no stories of anyone turning to the dark side. There is actually a shortage of good software engineers here. Inferior schools and small/remote cities may be another story, as indicated by the bust of those two students who were lured in US by FBI. I believe most of those gangs' members are script kiddies with incomplete to none formal programming education.
As for the much-dreaded Russian Mafia, I can't confirm or deny its wealth or influence, because I, just as you I believe, only read about it and never met it face to face.
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact is easy to explain: mathematics and theoretical physics don't cost much. All you need is a pencil and a sheet of paper. So the Soviets diverted most of their resources to these domains, simply because they could not afford the experimental apparatus necessary for chemistry, physics or molecular biology.
Now, whether or not this distinction still holds in today's Putinian Russia is another matter entirely...
Thomas-
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:5, Insightful)
I wanna give you an example, there is a reason why 90% of the best chess players come from russia. It is not that those people generally are smarter, but over here, if a kid loves math, chess or generally science, it is branded as a nerd or freak and subject to the heavy beating by the other kids. It either drops out of the field and becomes something mediocre (fill in the average lawyer, business crook in here) or follows the path and now faces the situation of getting constant beating by the management in a company which sees their researchers not as assets anymore but more as a cost reduction point which has to be outsourced to another country. It does not matter in the end that the company will run out of new products a few years later, because the management gets the golden handshake.
Not a good idea to follow this career path, even if you have an enourmous talent.
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:3, Interesting)
I have three Russian friends (ok, so one is Ukrainian ;-) and they all tell me the same thing about their University education. The final mark for the degree is based on a viva and the typical opening lines of your professor goes something like this:
"You're not an A+ sudent but I can't decide whether you are a B or a C. I guess it depends on what kind of mood I am in today." [The guy extends his supine palm ready for the bribe].
Now, I know yo
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:3, Interesting)
This is not entirely correct. Russia also has lots of very talented chemicists, biologists and physicists (if not, noone would be worried of them hired away by rogue states or terrorist groups to build WMDs). There are also some even if small excellent chemical and molecular biological companies which are basically spin-offs of the Soviet Union's old science cities. But they are also o
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Funnily enough, I remember a few years ago when I was thinking about doing a Phd in Physics. The theoretical physics group had an open day, so I went along. The head of the group gave a talk, and towards the end of it he said something like "Now, this is the point where we would show you round the group, but let's face it, there's nothing to see apart from a group of people sat at computers and scribbling on
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Re:Well (Score:5, Funny)
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Of course they didn't, everyone knows that. The British did!
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Of course they didn't, everyone knows that. The British did!
More specifically, the Welsh... of course.
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The phone by some italian i dont remenber the name of, the television by some scot and etc etc etc.
Yt really shows the power of [american] marketing that product-copying is perceived as innovation.
Re:-1 Flamebait (Score:5, Informative)
I still don't see where the grandparent post is wrong.
Oh, and Edison almost certainly didn't come up with the improvement - he worked a sweatshop of inventors, where he took the credit for other people's work... much like modern corporations.
Edison was little more than a typical businessman with no morals.
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Bullshit (Score:4, Informative)
Their society had many faults, and their model didn't work in the long run. But it did stuff people with knowledge, and most importantly it motivated them to learn instead of just being the cool dumb jock or the skinny airhead.
1. Their whole school system was not an exercise in "let's have it at a level where everyone can understand it without effort." The whole school system was a merciless exercise in stuffing people with knowledge that maybe 10% fully understood in any particular subject, and noone could be good in all.
The eastern block school system had in effect, the same function as speed-binning CPUs in a factory has. They kept cranking up the level to see at which point you break. It was a filter to determine how much each can learn.
E.g., they never had a watered-down "science class" at any level. They started in elementary school with real physics and chemistry. By the last year of high school, they'd do quantum physics and advanced organic chemistry. And in maths you'd be surprised how early they got dragged into differentials, integrals and matrices.
Their inter-school contests, called "olympics" for some reason, were supposed to further filter the best of the best. Preparing for a physics "olympics" in high school involved physics manuals from Berkeley and other western universities. Again, they learned that in _high_ _school_.
2. More importantly, they had a helluva lot of incentive to actually learn.
See, your place in society was determined by your grades. E.g., at the end of university they'd be sorted by grades and have a go at selecting where they want to work, from a big list of available jobs nation-wide. I.e., if you did well, you could pick a job anywhere you wanted, while if you barely had passed, you'd pretty much be guaranteed to get a job in some forgotten village at the far end of the map.
Finding a job by personal networking and family friends was a lot harder than in the west. And it was regarded as the blatant corruption and nepotism that it really is. You needed really important friends to pull that kinda thing. (Being drinking pals with a low level team leader didn't even start to count as as a chance. Being a relative of a director or party official, maybe.)
Also wages were planned by the state, and pretty much determined by how much learning was involved in getting that job. E.g., an electronics engineer or doctor would get a lot better paid than a plumber.
3. The whole message society gave their students is "being smart is _good_". Being able to do well in that school system was a thing of pride, not a reason to be ridiculed as a nerd.
And you know why? Precisely because of the above. _Everyone_, including your cool classmates or your girlfriend _knew_ that grades translate directly into salary. The cool jock or the cool prom-queen airhead were cool and all, but everyone knew that they're gonna be the ones who barely scrape a living. (Unless, see above, they happened to be relatives of someone _really_ important. Not many had their luck.) So they had a helluva lot fewer admirers.
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Actually going down in the mine... well, let's just say, don't really make much plans about retirement. I.e., there was a helluva lot of incentive to _not_ end up in that kind of a job, money or no money.
So let'e me ammend what I wrote there. Maybe you didn't get the absolute best salary in a high education job, but you did get the highest overall job quality and life quality.
Speed binning people (Score:5, Interesting)
I was taught at a school here in the UK which effectively speed binned students. You VERY quickly got a layer cake of aptitudes and attitudes.
Speed binning (I like that phrase you coined for education) is incredibly efficient IF all you want is to showw off with stars. It also creates some very complex characters. We also bombed through high level math very fast, e.g., had fantastic teachers who owere intense, and actually enjoyed it. But you had three distinct strata (gross simplification) - those who absorbed the strain and were pushed more and more until they lacked any social skill at all, those who cruised and tried to game the system (i was one of those, huh, so that's why i read Slashdot
But i characterise this as the difference between Intelligent, Smart and Proto-Genius. In the last caategory, when 4 "A Levels" were normal, friends of mine took on as many as twelve in the same period. And passed (pass for this place was 85% and above), and thought it quite the regular thing.
But when it boils down to whether my school prepared anyone for anything outside its walls, I am less sure. That's being diplomatic. I was intimately involved with some of the fallout from that pressure . .
Speed Binning people leads to people being in the bin.
If he wasn't snoring I'd say that to the Russian engineer asleep on my couch right now - a confused casualty i believe of the same approach when he was in school. Well, if you call ending up in advertising a punishment
To the abovev poster, NO grades do not translate directly into salary. Maybe they do if you exist within a confined and structured path from Grade School through Colledge and recruitment . . . maybe. My experience - some of the "dumbest" (N.B. quotes) guys i went to school with haul salaries that put the Proto-Genii in shame. Sorry, no direct correlation, because you assume all is C.P. Pressure changes characters. The secret to any educational system is to provide the social structure wherein the talented can work together over a long period of time. THAT is crucial to the sucess of the Soviet system - engineers who worked together, lived together, studied together. At least in my brief life i do not think there is such a structure available today. Communism removed many of the barriers to organising such intellectual labor, by removing marketplace constraints and the disruption of commerce on talented employees.
I think you lack somee understanding of the processes involved, particularly in the Soviet planning system, and maybe should look closer too at how things are where you are. I sincerely hope you can drive a truck through my quickly worded comments, but in my defense this si an area which has touched me and fascinated me, not least because i saw the casualties of speed binning young talent up close, and became fascinated not to make the same mistakes with my kids.
p.s. just a unfounded thought, but nerds are nerds the world around. i do however have a fairly decent amount of (often anecdotal) evidence that Soviet education created a lot more female (and pretty) nerds than did the UK or US systems. Education is about growing, and that's a LOT easier when you have abunch of chicks you can talk to
(sorry too lazy to fix typos)
Re:Bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)
Their society had many faults, and their model didn't work in the long run. But it did stuff people with knowledge, and most importantly it motivated them to learn instead of just being the cool dumb jock or the skinny airhead.
And you say that is an improvement over other school systems, which appeals to the slashdot choir. But that is a reflect
If Russians are so good at math... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:If Russians are so good at math... (Score:4, Insightful)
though, just saying that they're good at math because they're russians is silly. they're good at math because they got/had good schools for that sort of thing(for some of the people). now they have system that churns out some high class computer scientists with low level understanding of the systems.. BUT NO JOBS FOR THEM!!!!
why would they turn to cybercrime? when you're hungry and can't get a decent job(or even a lousy one) and your family is going hungry as well... and getting caught from small time cybercrime would be far fetched(or you thought that the risk was still worth it).
of course they're assholes still, but there's reasons for why they're doing what they're doing. personally I'd prefer to be hit by a bit of cybercrime rather than being mugged while visiting moscow.
Re:If Russians are so good at math... (Score:2)
That very soon after the russian revolution new fractions rose above the others (mainly the government people, kgb and military) and those once the system broke down were the ones who basically ran the system even more down with corruption. It is not in the mentality of the russian people to scre
Re:If Russians are so good at math... (Score:2)
As for the subject of the thread, Russians do have better average math knowledge than, say US counterparts. And this i speak from experience: what is a part of 8th year at school in russia is taught, at bes
Re:If Russians are so good at math... (Score:2)
can't blame businesses for viewing it as a high risk area - it is. lot's of unpredictability coming from high crime and corruption, and impossibility to operate without getting your hands dirty in one way or another is not something businessmen like(you would like to
Re:If Russians are so good at math... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:If Russians are so good at math... (Score:2)
There's no middle ground, no moderation to politics in that country, and it's usually mode
hackers or ... (Score:2, Insightful)
crackers?
Re:hackers or ... (Score:2)
hmm (Score:2)
The article doesn't seem to say what exactly they are doing to get rich, it mentions DDOSing gambling sites, but no money making schemes used by them.
It would be doubtful for companies to hire russians who hacked their systems to fix them (kimbel, anyone?) when there already are so many companies in the computer security business
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Re:hmm (Score:4, Interesting)
typically you would pick an illegal investment schemes site(internet is FULL of these - there's so many that you wouldn't believe all equally illegal and equally shady and equally based on the ponzi principle of paying the first from money the people who came in later 'invested'). then you dos it for a day and ask for small enough sum that they will pay(say, 1000$ or whatever). when they're shady enough they won't even go the cops.
do it once a week and you could live like a king in russia.
also, probably a lot of non-russian hackers use russian proxies to cover their tracks.
of course (Score:5, Funny)
A lot of script kiddies claim that..
Sure... (Score:4, Funny)
Heh. (Score:3, Funny)
Anyways, reminds me of a joke that was doing the rounds during the Cold War in India. An American, Russian and Indian cop meet up at an international police conference. They get to bragging about their respective police forces.
"Y'know, back home in Texas, if a man commits a crime, he'll be safely in custody by the next day. We're that good."
The Russian laughs, and says, "Next day?? Comrade, in Soviet Russia,
Always look on the bright side. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Always look on the bright side. (Score:2)
There's just so little left for Russia to be proud of. They used to make great vodka until the damn Grey Goose came along.
Literature was another one, but damn if I saw a world-class writer coming out of Russia over the past few decades or so.
Re:Always look on the bright side. (Score:2)
And the situation in Russia is not so grim as your mass media paint it (I live in Russia).
Big Holes (Score:5, Funny)
All they need is an IBM computer with 14.400 bps modem 2x cd-rom and and a lot of cigarettes. That's it!
No no.. I know. You say, what about babe.. but no. The 2x cd-rom is what made it magic.
Proper form (Score:2, Funny)
In school you couldn't hack mathematics.
In Soviet Russia, mathematicians hack YOU!
(apologies, but it's been a while since anyone observed proper form for Soviet Russia-jokes :-)
Re:Proper form (Score:2)
No, seriously - it can't be worse than being faced with another choice between cookie-cutter Republocrat/Demican candidates who differ (if at all) only in the question of which corporations they've been bought by, and who spend so much time talking out of their asses that you can't tell whether they're coming or going.
Former or current Russian leaders I would object to (strongly), but Russian mathematicians? That could be interesting. Heck, I b
Be on the lookout for (Score:5, Interesting)
These Russian hackers will get the top dollar from the Russian mob, and second to them will be the foreign call/data center workers who have access to foreign outsourced financial/medical data. The hackers will be much more reliable foot soldiers than call/data center workers.
Look to the Russian mafia and their hacker flunkies to be in competition with US criminals and Al Qaeda archetypes as the primary causes of global cybercrime.
BTW this isn't meant to be a troll against Russians, Russians as a whole are no more or less cool than the rest of the world... but the Soviet Union did fall apart and their ultra high tech stuff did scatter to the 4 winds, at least 2 of those winds being the Russian Mob...
Re:Be on the lookout for (Score:2)
Re:Be on the lookout for (Score:2)
Any system that relies on combination of 16 digits and the name of the card holder (9 digits and the name in case of SNN) to authenticate the owner of the bank account and give complete access to that account's finances is bound to be broken sooner or later, Russian mob or no Russian mob.
The purpose of this story (Score:2, Funny)
-1 meme-bait.
Heh. (Score:5, Funny)
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social engineers still best in the west (Score:2)
Japan are the most mathematical literate (Score:4, Interesting)
1. Japan 557
2. Korea, South 547
3. New Zealand 537
4. Finland 536
5. Australia 533
6. Canada 533
7. Switzerland 529
8. United Kingdom 529
9. Belgium 520
10. France 517
11. Austria 515
12. Iceland 514
13. Denmark 514
14. Sweden 510
15. Ireland 503
16. Norway 499
17. Czech Republic 498
18. United States 493
19. Germany 490
20. Hungary 488
Ha! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ha! (Score:3, Informative)
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145587&ci
Germany 503
Hungary 490
United States 483
Is that statistic really relevant? (Score:2)
Re:Japan are the most mathematical literate (Score:2)
not that it fairing poorly on such a test would be a surprise, this study studies averages through the whole population (of 15 year olds), even traditionally that hasn't been the best in russia(rather there's been the 'elite' if you will that has been good at science - russia being a big country that elite is fairly big in numbers).
nice stats site anyhow.
Re:Japan are the most mathematical literate (Score:2)
That would have to be because the top two have so many students here.
Most NZ-ers can't spell or do math for shit.
Yeah yeah flamebait, troll, whatever, I live here, I have to work with these people
Re:Japan are the most mathematical literate (Score:5, Informative)
*sigh* (Score:5, Funny)
Bah. (Score:2)
Having worked with three Russians, let me assure you that whatever else they are, they're not way-above-average programmers.
Now, I'm not going to claim they suck. Three isn't a big sample size. But two of the three hard coded their solutions to produce the sample output from the sample test data. They didn't work with any other sample test data... the whole code was a series of ifs and assignments. The third was just a little below average. Mind you, I've been disappointed in nearly every hire in the last
Consider the source (Score:4, Insightful)
Their logic is probably that because the Russian Police are so good, the fact that there are so many uncaught Russian hackers must mean that the Russian hackers are the best!
*newsflash* Russians lie a lot *newsflash* (Score:2, Informative)
Just Another Reason For Mr Putin ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Opposition in Russia don't have any chance to get into TV, and Internet is the only media space they have. So Russian authorities say, "Look, these hackers are going to steal your money !!! We have to conrol as much as we can to stop this !!!". Nothing new, as for me.
PS. AFAIK (and I am Ukrainian), professional level of Russian ( and Ukrainian) programmers/hackers/crackers isn't differ too much from world's average. Claiming than "We are the best" is so silly ...
I once read a survey... (Score:2, Insightful)
Cleary the russian don't lack such a hybris
No need for Russian hacker to be good... (Score:2)
So no need for criminal to be good at it comrade.
okay fine (Score:2)
good at math?!?! (Score:2)
Math and programming? (Score:3, Insightful)
Programmers are common, im sure given enough info any well matured programmer could write an exploitative piece of code...it's finding the holes that's the real skill...no?
Just as Oasis (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like a musical number from 'Oliver' (Score:2)
We Are the Best Hackers in the World
They did get one thing right (Score:3, Funny)
Dont underestimate the people from the east (Score:4, Interesting)
I guess one reason for that is, the prolongued, we have to code lots of stuff in assembler period, which was way over in 1990 in our countries, most of them had to wait until 1995 until the situation was at the point they could afford better stuff.
The other thing is, that unlike the west, who has been celebrating half criminal business people and even more criminal laywers as heroes and basically has been slamming technical people since the mid eighties as freaks, nerds and whatever, in the old soviet union (which was until 1990) mathematicians and technical people were very highly regarded and it was a good career path (my current girlfriend had a father who worked in nuklear research and a mother who basically was a computer technitian) for both genders.
Things have changed by now as well, but that those things are still sort of a aftermath of those years. The reason why the SU never took off technically was because of the communists who basically had the researchers but lacked the mentality and the funds to give them a breeding ground for ideas, also my personal guess is that many of them were thrown into jail as well once they started to criticize the system, which always happens with intelligent people (one of the reasons why a downgoing society starts to beat the bright ones, who usually dont have the mentality to fight back, because they scare the ones in power).
Over here we have different problems, and it sort of is a wonder that we came that far, because the treatment the techies have been given generally is not that good, we probably will see the aftermaths of the current, we dont develop anything we just buy the stuff period in a few years, when the first corporations will crumble because they have become obsolete brands which will be slowly replaced by once outsourcing companies.
Re:Dont underestimate the people from the east (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Dont underestimate the people from the east (Score:3, Interesting)
You can make an unforgettable evening, just by having intelligence and using it in the right direction, the joe bloke who also happens to be rich does not. In the end you end
Re:Dont underestimate the people from the east (Score:3, Interesting)
You say that "you won't have anywhere near the success as someone half as smart that thinks they're twice as smart and can kick a ball". I say you're dead wrong.
It's important to be able to kick a ball and be in good physical shape. But you don't have to have a gift from God to dunk on no 12 foot tall rim or get a free kick in from 30 meters.
I'm good at chess, more pre
You have not read Knuth (Score:5, Funny)
(I hear the Klingon translation is also quite good.)
I hear ya... (Score:2)
Yup, just like when I was 12 and we had math team competitions at school...
We dreaded the team with the asian kid in, as we knew they'd get all the questions with fractions in them.
Ah, yes, we love that stuff (Score:5, Insightful)
Russia vs US debate (Score:3, Interesting)
Some of the most fun games of recent times come from old soviet countries while america got EA games.
Most spam and popups are for american products while the best serials and no-cd sites are in russia.
Saying that russia has the best hackers is pure flamebait BUT it is not entirely without reason. It reminds me a lot of the argument wich space program was/is best. The americans beat themselves on the chest with the fact they went to the moon and the space shuttle can carry a lot of people while Mir was falling apart. Any sensible person will remark that the moon missions have stopped, that the space shuttle is also the most lethal space vehicle if not the most lethal vehicle ever to be produced in a series and that Mir for all its creakiness stayed up for years and years and never killed anyone.
A lot of cybercrime comes from countries were the law enforces got better things to worry about then some rich foreigners getting ripped off. Are russians better at it then anyone else? Maybe but that is hardly something to boast about.
On the other hand we the supposed better west are only hurting ourselves when we laugh of these russian claims. Russian space program is still beating the west even with their ruined economy (how many russians been killed in space since the collapse of the soviet union vs american casualities? Who is currently keeping the international space station up and running?). A whole country whose goverment has no motivation to stop cybercrime is a big threath to the west that want to turn the internet into a big part of their economy.
Re:Russia vs US debate (Score:3, Informative)
Evil Empire Inc. (Score:3, Insightful)
The real difference is that Russia has the biggest, most sophisticated mafia in the world (except see disclaimer above
Re:Evil Empire Inc. (Score:3, Interesting)
What is so bad about the corruption is that it o
Simple. (Score:2)
Re:Simple. (Score:2)
Re:Simple. (Score:2)
Call center, support and app development by stringent technical requirements (all UML schemas included) you outsource to India, since they (a) speak better English than most Russians, (b) work the cheapest.
R&D, radio tech, math, wireless, concept development and high-level application development is outsourced to Russian firms, since they (a) usually have more technically advanced people, (b) more likely to work effectively o
Re:I can't believe you posted this crap (Score:3, Interesting)
And yet, the editors got exactly what they wanted from you:
1.) You clicked "Read More" and gave them an ad-view.
2.) You posted to the article, increasing the discussion size and therefore the general activity of the article, which lets them charge higher rates for advertisers.
Do you think these kinds of flamebait articles are posted because it's "Stuff That Matters?"
Re:Communism (Score:3, Insightful)