PDF Tracking On the Way 248
(el)Capitan.Nick writes "PDFzone reports that the company Remote Approach has launched a service to track the movement of PDF documents with its tool Map-Bot. The purpose of this service is to allow PDF publishers the ability to measure their audience, as web publishers can already. Though personal information is not gathered from machines, IP addresses are. PDFs can require users to be connected to the Internet in order to read them, and every person you email the PDF to is subject to the service. As PDFzone's opinion article states, while 'the chances of running into a Remote Approach PDF right now -- and in the near future -- are pretty remote ... the potential for the technology to tarnish PDF's image [of security] is staggering.'"
Advertisements! (Score:5, Insightful)
I can see it now.. Google introduces AdWords for PDFs...
Re:Advertisements! (Score:2)
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=roland [slashdot.org]
Slashdot Payola...
Re:Advertisements! (Score:2, Insightful)
No. DRM will never end. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No. DRM will never end. (Score:2)
Sad or not, good or bad, YOU do not represent the VAST majority of content producers.
Re:No. DRM will never end. (Score:3, Insightful)
Sad or not, good or bad, YOU do not represent the VAST majority of content producers
But HE understands the position of the VAST majority of content consumers, which is more important. Whichever content producers do not understand this are going to suffer pain. Much pain. Try this little experiment: think to yourself "who is king?"
If the thought popped into your head "the customer is king!" then you are well on the way
PDF is an Open Format (Score:3, Informative)
By the way, PDF is an open format. There are MANY non-Adobe applications, some of them open source (many not), that both read and write PDF files.
Re:PDF is an Open Format (Score:2)
Originally PDF protection was on the "honour system", a flag that said "don't allow X", which open source software could be easily made to ignore. The trick of this tracking software is, (according to TFA) that the PDF can require you to be online (presumably exchanging a key with a server before you can read it, undoubtedly it will be encrypted. So unless one
Re:DOC is an Open Format (Score:2)
Re:Advertisements! (Score:2)
Question: How does this supposedly "evil" tracking mechanism differ from web log analysers?
Answer: It doesn't?
From the write-up above:
> Though personal information is not gathered from machines, IP addresses are.
So no different to when html documents (yes, I know they are another "evil" open spec like PDF) are distributed via http. It's truely shocking this but I can block access to my webserver based on originating IPs! Yes. I'm part of the "evil" conspiracy too! Mwuuuuahhaaha....
Remo
Evil, explained (Score:4, Insightful)
A: Simple, web log analysers aren't capable of tracking redistributions of the same document. If you copy a web page, say about theories in free-market macroeconomics, and e-mail the copy to a friend, say in China, no one will ever know your friend has read it. But if you copy one of those and it's read by your friend there, then certainly your friend will have a red flag (pun intended) on him.
HTH
Simple... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Simple... (Score:5, Insightful)
You'd have trouble convincing more than about 2% of users to refuse.
>Publishers won't get any data from it
Sure they will. You will be the one getting no data because you're holding out when no one else cares.
It's a wonderful idea, but it simply won't happen without government intervention...and who wants that?
Re:Simple... (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't see the business community accepting applications phoning home when they see fit. My company wouldn't. Would IBM, Sun, Motorola, Toyota? Doubtful.
Re:Simple... (Score:3, Insightful)
You'd have trouble convincing more than about 2% of users to refuse.
No, simply block out connection to the tracking protocol. If Personal Internet firewalls were not so dufus designed they would make it easy to say 'this program has no business connecting to the Internet, silently disable all connection attempts without notice'.
IE has the same bug in the active X scheme. There should be an option that allows downloading of active-x com
Re:Simple... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Simple... (Score:3, Informative)
The point was that the PDF would not be displayed if the tracking server could not be contacted. If you blocked the outgoing connection, you now have a useless PDF.
Or did I misread something in your argument...
Re:Simple... (Score:2)
If it is a better alternative than no action, I do.
Re:Simple... (Score:2)
Because only 2% of the computer users use a laptop without an internet connection, right?
Of course they're not the ones "using" it, they're the ones who take it in the ass hard when their boss sends them a PDF for the presentation in New York and they humiliate themselves and their company when they fail to pull up the sales numbers in the boardroom.
Sure, that works (Score:5, Insightful)
Just like I can shop elsewhere if I don't like being captured on a store's video surveillance camera. Except that they ALL have cameras. If there's no true alternative, you're screwed. Am I going to forego opening that online manual that I desperately need to troubleshoot a problem? I don't think so. A better solution is for some enterprising hackers to find a way to break this technology.
Re:Sure, that works (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Sure, that works (Score:5, Funny)
> being captured on a store's video surveillance
> camera.
Yes. You can. Contrary to common belief, your choices are not limited to Walmart and Kmart.
Re:Simple... (Score:2)
I realise that for a lot of users this would result in "just another thing to click yes to syndrome" but if enough people use it, it would make the data gathered pretty useless.
BTW, if you've got a Mac and value your privacy you should get Little Snitch [obdev.at] (no affiliation) to do exactly this.
Re:Simple... (Score:2)
less whatever.txt
But how will you know? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:But how will you know? (Score:2)
It probably even does a DNS lookup so just adding
127.0.0.1 evil.pdfspy.com
to your
Re:Simple... (Score:2, Funny)
In reality people wouldn't even think a second before opening a pdf that includes some tracking software, all they care about it reading the contents, doube click and there you go. The only thing that stop this is a message that damages the image of pdf i.e. the big media labeling pdf as spyware, which it seems to become if this
Re:Simple... (Score:5, Insightful)
Better than that, refuse to use pdf viewers that implement this "feature". (Does anyone know which those are? Without knowing, I would assume Adobe acrobat reader probably does and xpdf probably does not. Does anyone have more specific/accurate information?)
Re:It's not that simple... (Score:2)
As much as it pains me to say this... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:As much as it pains me to say this... (Score:5, Interesting)
On the evil side, getting on the conspiration mood, it would also allow the FBI or the gov to diffund pseudo-dissident bait documents and then check and track anyone who reads it, anywhere he reads it.
Re:As much as it pains me to say this... (Score:2)
I'm waiting for some conservative to say that if you simply decline to read this kind of littrachaw, you'll have nothing to worry about...
Re:As much as it pains me to say this... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:As much as it pains me to say this... (Score:2)
>mood, it would also allow the FBI or the gov to
>diffund pseudo-dissident bait documents and then
>check and track anyone who reads it, anywhere he
>reads it.
Cool, write up some documents on terrorism and other crimes and catch every terrorist and criminal in the world....
Re:As much as it pains me to say this... (Score:2, Insightful)
with this technology, you're not wilfully visiting anything - the document is on your own machine (or network) and unless there's a popup box giving you the information (which the article implies there won't be), you've no way of knowing that your IP is about to be transmitted.
essentially, for a website, you're a willing client asking for a service to be
Re:As much as it pains me to say this... (Score:2)
Exactly. When I download a webpage for later viewing it doesn't follow me around to see where I go and PDFs shouldn't either.
Okay.... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Okay.... (Score:2)
Here's the workaround (Score:2)
Re:Okay.... (Score:2)
Re:Okay.... (Score:2)
Also, on Mac OS X, I use Little Snitch, which is a great application that monitors the various port connections made by specific applications. Allowing you to block
Re:Okay.... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Okay.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Or more likely: ghostscript just can't read encrypted PDFs.
And when you can successfully read it, the same goes for some other special features/text formatting, maybe... you just lose them in the conversion
The technology kind of defeats the value of PDF, IMO. Because, you see, if you have to be on the Internet to read the PDF, and you can't read offline at your leisure on whatever device that is available then it's not really a Portable document, now, is it?
Re:Okay.... (Score:5, Informative)
A Day Late (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, wait...
Mmm.. sounds like PDFs are ripe for 'sploiting (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Mmm.. sounds like PDFs are ripe for 'sploiting (Score:2)
Re:Mmm.. sounds like PDFs are ripe for 'sploiting (Score:2)
Disable PDF Javascript (Score:5, Informative)
Adobe Acrobat Reader starting supporting embedded Javascript with version 7.0, although you can disable it in the preferences dialog. Apparently it bugs you every time you start the program to re-enable it, though.
Bottom line: Stick with free software.
Re:Disable PDF Javascript (Score:2, Informative)
It was that stupid nag-message that caused me to uninstall Adobe Reader 7 and reinstall Adobe Reader 6 on my Windows machines.
I would pop up the "This document contains Javascripts. Do you want to enable Javascripts from now on? The document may not behave correctly if they're disabled." message even on PDFs that I created that I know don't have Javascripts in them.
Feh.
Re:Disable PDF Javascript (Score:2)
I only just installed Reader 7 a couple days ago, because I heard it was faster. Had I known how obnoxious it was about the JavaScript, I would not have done so.
I used Adobe Reader Speedup [tnk-bootblock.co.uk] to simplify the decrufting process. (Windows only.) It's easy enough to do it manually, but I figured this way, I could toggle t
Re:Disable PDF Javascript (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Disable PDF Javascript (Score:2)
Actually, it bugs you when you try to quit, not when you load it up. Odd. The message says "This document contains JavaScripts. Do you want to enable JavaScripts from now on? The document may not behave correctly if they're disabled."
It says this even if you run acroread without loading any do
Discussed on LWN concerning Adobe Acrobat 7 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Discussed on LWN concerning Adobe Acrobat 7 (Score:5, Informative)
There is a bug (in my opinion) in Acrobat Reader 7 when you disable JavaScript that causes this warning to appear when exiting the program:
This document contains JavaScripts. Do you want to enable JavaScripts from now on? This document may not behave correctly if they're disabled.
This happens even if you do not have a document loaded, since Adobe Reader tries to run some internal JavaScripts when it exits. If JavaScript is disabled, this warning comes up. I've created patches [k-lug.org] that prevent this from happening on both Linux and Windows. They may also prevent the warning from coming up with documents that actually contain JavaScript.
Re: Fixing anoying bug in Adobe Acrobat 7 (Score:2, Informative)
Thank you.
Very useful! (Score:2)
Rather pointless (Score:5, Informative)
No, they can't, PDF is nothing but a data format. Some broken PDF viewers (especially those from Adobe) may do this, but since PDF is an open format, there will always be some other viewers that don't promote spying on their users. Basically, this is the same nonsense as the "no printing" option.
Re:Rather pointless (Score:4, Informative)
However, if for example the document is encrypted and they key is on a server which the PDF points to (and the server logs all IP addresses connecting to it to retrieve the key) then it will work at least for the first time you open it (unless of course we create another server or even p2p network with the keys on it for ebooks which the PDF viewer visits instead).
Re:Rather pointless (Score:2)
"A user uploads the PDF they want to track to Remote Approach, assigning variables like 'distribution channels' and 'groups' to add additional detail to the data captured. From there, they can download and distribute the PDF as desired," said John Bielby, president of Remote Approach Inc.
"Every time the PDF is read, it briefly interacts with the reporting repository to record the event. The user has access to live reports and data to see reports on views, distribution by channel or
Re:Rather pointless (Score:2, Informative)
I've found that ps2pdf from the ghostscript package is useful in this situation. If you try saving a PDF with document restrictions as a PostScript file, it embeds some extra code in the PostScript file. This code has a stern warning that removing the code is illegal, and it causes ps2pdf to not work right. However, ps2pdf also happily accepts PDF files as input, it doesn't check the document restrictions, and all of the features are allo
But do the other viewers display anything? (Score:2)
Re:Rather pointless (Score:2)
yes they can (Score:2)
Okay... (Score:2)
At that point the document is untrackable. All it takes is once.
They should make another file extension (Score:5, Insightful)
Thankfully (Score:2)
Re:Thankfully (Score:4, Informative)
No one else paid attention to it. Since earlier versions of the spec didn't have the requirement, there's no way they can enforce it. Other than that stupid requirement, the spec has an open and free license.
Besides, only Adobe products implement javascript in PDFs to start with, so Adobe brought this on themselves. No other reader will allow this to happen.
Re:Thankfully (Score:2)
Otherwise, yeah.
Re:Thankfully (Score:2)
I'm thinking that won't happen.
Have you forgotten this unfortunate Russian gentleman [linuxgazette.net] already? Sure, they dropped the charges, but...
IP harvesting (Score:4, Interesting)
Also, I definitely do not want to risk exposing my static IP to anyone, especially in a way that involves new technology that may be quite exploitable, just by clicking on a PDF link on google. I'm sorry but c'mon, that's just too much. Nevertheless, assuming the technology is viable, there'll be a demand that will outweigh objection for this new feature and Adobe will do it and make more money.
Re:IP harvesting (Score:4, Informative)
Wait a minute... clicking on ANY link on Google exposes your static IP to the content provider anyway.
Re:IP harvesting (Score:2)
127.0.0.1
for everybody
Slippery slope argument (Score:4, Insightful)
FORCE me to go online??? I just hope that technical papers never use this tool.
Denizens of the PDF world, however, take note. We enjoy--and sell--the differences between PDF, e-mail and HTML, and a lot of those differences are in the realm of security...
Remote Approach, however, is the beginning of a movement that could chip away at PDF's sterling rep, one document at a time...
Since the Map-Bot can chase a PDF through e-mail forwarding, it's more powerful data mining than that associated with Web pages, where the vital information gets thrown out when the user's cache is emptied.
One would think they would come up with a better name than Map-BOT!!!
Pretty damning, if I may say so.
Yuo haven't seen NOTHING yet (Score:2)
http://www.ebookgold.com/ [ebookgold.com]
I once purchased an "ebook" in this format. When their server was wack I couldn't even connect to it to read my ebook. But technology got the last laugh: I electronically reversed that purchase via a chargeback on my credit card.
Just the thought of something I purchase watching every move I make gives me the creeps.
Acrobat is trouble, how about Foxit? (Score:3, Interesting)
Here comes the spam (Score:2)
I couldn't count the number of times my well-meaning but technologically-inept relatives sent around chains for free gift certificates to the Cracker Barrel and monochromatic clothing stores, or worse 'for each email you pass on $.10 goes to this kid dying of cancer.'
Heaven help us.
Refuse to read PDF's, period. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Refuse to read PDF's, period. (Score:2)
Just one more reason (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Just one more reason (Score:3, Informative)
A little technical info (Score:5, Informative)
There's a POST to remoteapproach.com (you could block all traffic going to remoteapproach.com, or just repoint remoteapproach.com to 127.0.0.1 or something in your hosts file.
The POST message looks like:
POST
The thing that gets me is that the content of the request also contains this:
1 0 obj]/F(/C/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop/MBRemote Approach Manual.pdf)>>>>
As you can see, it contains the full system path to the file that I opened. This seems like a big privacy issue. After all, Acrobat didn't ASK if it could open the URL.
The
Some technology.
Re:A little technical info (Score:2)
Re:A little technical info (Score:2)
No, unless there's some weird active-x or java download applet going on, the server doesn't get any information on where the client downloads content to.
Re:A little technical info (Score:2)
Plus Windows security is so weak, it doesn't really matter anyway...
Open Acrobat (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Open Acrobat (Score:2)
Re:Open Acrobat (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Open Acrobat (Score:2)
Re:Open Acrobat (Score:2)
Re:Open Acrobat (Score:2)
another DRM defeated by the shift key (Score:3, Informative)
Nice try, though!
Nathan
Nothing new. (Score:3, Interesting)
The document can be configured to ping the server every time any action on the document is performed. (Printing, opening, etc). The server can decide to deny any action too.
It does support a one-time-online-to-authorize mode (much like Windows Actvation), but that's about it.
A PDF is a data file (Score:2)
Hardly a breakthrough (Score:2, Interesting)
We're not protecting documents in any way, only capturing the tracking information. A lot of organization don't know that 1 seat license means 1 person and this tracking information would highlight offenders.
Our subsriptions are 5k+/yearly
Re:Hardly a breakthrough (Score:2)
As for the scripts, be very aware that, depending on your legal environment, introducing undocumented or unauthorized (assuming you don't clearly state their existence in an EULA or acknowledged contract) means to subvert, say, company netw
Two Words: Reverse Firewall (Score:2)
Don't use a computer without one if you value your privacy.
Almost *every* app these days does some kind of outgoing communication - whether it's update checking, phoning home, or serial number checking.
It's trivially easy to configure most reverse firewalls to disallow any outgoing activity from specific apps. For Windows there is obviously ZoneAlarm [zonelabs.com] and others. With OS X, I recommend Little Snitch [obdev.at].
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Re:Pope is dead, and the cc is irrelevant (Score:2)
Re:Aren't IP addresses 'private' information? (Score:2)