True.com Wants Warnings On Personal Ads 418
An anonymous reader submits "News.com.com is reporting that personals company True.com is behind a push in several state legislatures to require everyone but them to include scary looking warnings above personals ads. I'm sure they're not the first, but this looks like a particularly slimy way to corner a market. And the unintended consequences look big, too: by my read of the proposed law, even Slashdot would need to include the warnings above user profile pages." In just a few weeks, this would sound like an April Fool's joke. I hope every legislator to whom this is being shopped is sent a copy of Declan's counter-example.
declan's counter- what? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:declan's counter- what? (Score:3, Informative)
He is suggesting that if the bill is passed that true.com be required to post a similar "truth in advertising" notice.
Re:declan's counter- what? (Score:5, Informative)
I believe that what's being referred to is Declan McCullagh's (the author of the above article) counter example:
- It would be just as easy to argue that True.com should be required to post labels on each page: "WARNING: TRUE.COM'S BACKGROUND SEARCHES WILL NOT IDENTIFY CRIMINALS USING FAKE NAMES. AND THE COST TO RUN THEM MAY BE PASSED ON TO YOU."
in response to True.com CEO Herb Vest's proposal:Re:declan's counter- what? (Score:5, Funny)
WARNING: CANDY MAY NOT BE IN LOVE WITH YOU!
On a mirror:
WARNING: OBJECTS ARE NOT ACTUALLY IN MIRROR!
Awww.... (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, I gotta go... The warden says my turn's up.
Re:Awww.... (Score:5, Funny)
That's ok (Score:2, Funny)
Re:That's ok (Score:2, Funny)
Re:That's ok (Score:3, Interesting)
I read with tremendous dismay that True.com has managed to bribe at least one assemblymember into introducing their special interest legislation. I assume it will be crushed immediately, it's just so astonishingly moronic. My confidence in democracy would be somewhat improved if Fran Pavley is removed from office as expeditiously as possible. It's incomprehensible to me that anyone could be so naive and stupid as to believe that this legislation is in the public interest or
Re:Does anything think this will really harm? (Score:3, Informative)
The key word in that sentence is the repeated "I". Your error is that you are holding yourself, apparently a person with a 3-digit IQ, up as a standard. You don't need to be reminded to breathe by Homeland Security officer, your corporate masters, or Regis.
In short, y
Re:That's ok (Score:4, Informative)
> True.com's desired bills, anyone(probably the
> owner of a rival site) could sue them.
No. Someone would have to violate the law, be convicted, and appeal the conviction.
> If it reached the supreme court, the supreme
> court would clearly have the power to overturn
> the law...
Yes, of _course_ they have the power to overturn it. They "have the power" to overturn any law.
> states can't regulate interstate commerce,
> etc.
However, it is not at all clear that the proposed law would violate the interstate commerce clause or be overturned for any other reason.
Are you prepared to create the test case and pay the fines if you lose? How about the legal costs?
I'm way ahead of them. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:2)
But with a beowulf cluster of these, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEARCH THE WHOLE LOT OF YOU! YOU JUST WAIT AND SEE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyway, the law strikes me as kind of stupid. Something I found noteworthy from the article is that True.com's searches apparantly don't catch criminals who are using fake names. This makes me wonder what data they search by.
Background searches just by name are possible, but they aren't reliable. For a simmilar slashdot thread, I decided to start putting my name into various sites, and now I know there's a sex offender in my state (Disclaimer: it's not me, so stfu) who happens to have my last name, a slightly different spelling of my first name, and my middle initial. If they're just doing this by name, am I going to get labled as a rapist? There are a lot of people with the same name (There's litterally a half a page in the Saginaw County phone book just for John, Jack, and J. Smiths), so there's the possibility of very humiliating false positives.
The solution of course would be for them to ask for social security numbers, and we know where that discussion usually leads.
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:3, Funny)
Which means there is the possiblity of a lawsuit, or an out of court cash settlement. . . . yippie.
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:2)
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:4, Insightful)
- "Due to article H2732b, Match.com is unable to offer services to your state. Please contact your local representatives by clicking HERE."
(where here is a link to an automagic form where you just put your name and other info in, and off it goes.)Then I guess a better question to ask would be whether or not the representatives actually care about what people write to them, especially in e-mail form.
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:5, Funny)
god damn h4cker customers.
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:5, Funny)
ChoicePoint.
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:2)
What about the more fundamental warnings? (Score:5, Funny)
Good Lord! This proposal makes as much sense as the 20th century physics warnings [enchantedmind.com]:
Re:What about the more fundamental warnings? (Score:3, Interesting)
PLEASE NOTE: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That, When Unobserved, This Product May Cease to Exist or May Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State. Therefore all warranties are in effect only while this product is under the direct observation of a human being.
and secretly snap video of people glancing back at frantically.
Nice post!
Re:What about the more fundamental warnings? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:More like (Score:2)
Re:I'm way ahead of them. (Score:2, Funny)
Be Cautious... (Score:4, Funny)
Personal Profiles may contain personal data. Be warned.
Re:Be Cautious... (Score:2)
http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/91q1/prodwarn.h
WE HAVE NOT CHECK IF THIS ARTICLE IS A DUPE (Score:5, Funny)
If Slashdot put up "WARNING: WE HAVE NOT CHECK IF THIS ARTICLE IS A DUPE", I'm sure we will still be happily reading and discussing it.
Re:WE HAVE NOT CHECK IF THIS ARTICLE IS A DUPE (Score:3, Insightful)
True.com might have intentions to disadvantage competitors, but it will just result in another silly warning which will be ignored by the broad public.
Which leads to another point: Is it really necessary to conduct such searches if the legal system and the police are doing their job properly? Might sound naive, but isn't it just as naive to not assume as an individual th
Warning labels (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:WE HAVE NOT CHECK IF THIS ARTICLE IS A DUPE (Score:3, Insightful)
It's about time (Score:5, Funny)
I asked my mom what I should do and she said not to go to 'slushdort' any more but uncle troll said if I don't log in every day and keep visiting him at the holiday inn on week-end he'll hurt mister chips.
These laws can only make the world a better place. If you are against them, you are against everything that is good.
So? (Score:2, Offtopic)
If my "Let Darwin sort them out" proposal would gain a little traction we'd all have a great deal more fun with our lives. Although it would seem a bit ironic because of my belief in an alternative theory -- intelligent design -- perhaps bringing a little more intelligence into society would improve our shared experiences a little.
Re:So? (Score:5, Funny)
We've tried that approach. He mostly just lies there, dead.
Re:So? (Score:3, Insightful)
The thing I find interesting is that by doing these background checks True.com is really setting itself up for some really nasty lawsuit at some point. They will screw up a check or something like that and something will happen and they will get sued for millions - as they should frankly. I just don't see this marketing ploy (which is all it really is anyway) as paying off in the long run. The other more well known dating services a
People lie all the time. (Score:5, Insightful)
No reasonably sensible person "needs" a warning to remind them of this fact.
Re:People lie all the time. (Score:2, Interesting)
Show me a reasonably sensible person, and I'll show you twelve people who have "met their true love" on the Internet, willing to drop everything to go meet some random person they only know from talking on AIM for a week. Sex is powerful, and sometimes it makes people do very, very dumb things.
Re:People lie all the time. (Score:3, Funny)
>
> Show me a reasonably sensible person, and I'll show you twelve people who have "met their true love" on the Internet, willing to drop everything to go meet some random person they only know from talking on AIM for a week. Sex is powerful, and sometimes it makes people do very, very dumb things.
Of course, you're both right.
http://www.bash.org/?11339 [bash.org]
Because it's the little things -- like people who need warn
Re:People lie all the time. (Score:4, Funny)
(im not joking, those are the exact words on bags of peanuts in the uk)
Re:People lie all the time. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:....must......resist...... (Score:5, Funny)
Refusing to do so will make Baby Darwin cry.
Warning We have not done a check on Herb Vest (Score:5, Funny)
background? (Score:2)
Re:background? (Score:2)
No, no... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Warning We have not done a check on Herb Vest (Score:2)
Re:Warning We have not done a check on Herb Vest (Score:3, Insightful)
Some highlights:
Herb Vest, owner of True, is quoted as saying, "We went into this business to help reduce the national divorce rate."
He has a masters in Taxation, one of 7 degrees. He does seem to have an amazing educational background, almost to amazing, Princeton, Harvard Law and Wharton, though maybe Eliyon didn't verify his background
First Amendment Test? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:First Amendment Test? (Score:3, Insightful)
No... not the same thing. (Score:3, Insightful)
Not to mention that the tobacco warnings are for a very serious and real threat. Tobacco is proven to cause death in a high percentage of the people who use it. No such statistical link is known to exist be
In Addition... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:In Addition... (Score:5, Informative)
The income bracket thing on Match.com is interesting. Is it primarily used so that people can make sure they're dating the same financial class as them, or for girls or guys to make sure they'll be provided for?
I have always underestimated my income because I didn't want to attract the wrong type of girl. Plus if I say too high a number, my dates might expect fancy dinners when I'm just as content getting Indian food at a hole-in-the-wall.
Have any guys here overestimated? Did you get any extra attention?
I never actually met anyone from match.com in real life. I even subscribed for 3 months and emailed probably 20 different girls. Most didn't reply, and the closest I got to a date was a phone call with a girl who thought the world revolved around her. So if you're thinking about subscribing... don't expect miracles! I think only tall, dark and handsome guys do well online, but they don't really need dating sites anyway!
Lying Online (Score:2)
The interesting thing is that I moved into an apartment when I had been working for a few months, and the model-gorgeous Italian girl who gave me a tour and did my credit check asked me out. S
Re:In Addition... (Score:3, Insightful)
I've used match.com on a few occasions. The most recent time, my income had gone north of $150K, so that's what I chose. I noticed a significant increase in women who wrote to me. This was not a good thing.
"I never actually met anyone from match.com in real life. I even subscribed for 3 months and emailed probably 20 different girls. Most didn't reply, and the closest I got to a date was a phone call with a girl who thought the world revolved around her. So if you're thinking about subscribing... don'
Did you only mail girls with photos? (Score:3, Interesting)
You're part-way there by underestimating your income, if hot money-grubbing bitches are not the kind of women you are interested in. Although to be honest, even most normal women are attracted to a guy who is not por, not because they want money, but because they don't want a guy who wants their money.
But,
The American Way (Score:4, Interesting)
2. Influence new legislation that will force your competition to abide by your bogus laws.
3. Create a new market by having the government eliminate your competition.
Sounds like the American way to me...
Re:The American Way (Score:3, Funny)
Riiight (Score:4, Funny)
There is no dating on slashdot, and the only thing people are going to get here is "carpal tunnel" from too much "wrist action."
If you do have a girl, go away, we don't like you.
Liability? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Liability? (Score:2, Informative)
They only claim to carry-out background checks. Not that they will screen users out because of the results, but that they have made the backgroudn check.
Now, if they fail to do the check or do it in a shoddy way you could argue breach of contract, but then again, the liability would be limited to the amount of the contract and nothing more.
To argue that they comm
Re:Liability? (Score:3, Interesting)
The actual legal technicalities (and certain kinds of logic) might say is that True.com wouldn't be liable. But realistically, if the cornerstone of your ma
Re:Liability? (Score:3, Insightful)
If this is true, then explain why McDonald's can be found liable [lawandhelp.com] for burns suffered by certain customers from coff
I don't get it and some FUD. (Score:3, Informative)
This is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Regardless of that, I think this is another strong case of FUD spreading
It clearly states that it applies to social referral services. I admit that what the poster suggested could be true depending on the definition, however it really seems like nothing but sensationalism. The article itself points out that the law is meant to apply to companies like friendster.com, and orkut.com.
Please
Why stop there? (Score:5, Funny)
I'm an innocent girl and I lose my head when the date goes past 8PM.
Can true.com make sure that my date washes his hand after using the bathroom?
Oh, now I'm all flustered. I need to sit down. true.com, can you please give me a ride home?
Internet Rumor Mill in action.. (Score:2)
Oooh,Icky! I just read on the intanet that girls get pregnant from touching your hands!
warning (Score:3, Insightful)
WARNING: This guy whose personal ad you're reading is the kind of paranoid weirdo who does FBI criminal background checks on women he's thinking of dating.
or
WARNING: This guy whose personal ad you're reading is the kind of person who thinks government regulation is a good replacement for common sense.
But seriously, it seems like people have an insatiable appetite for security measures that won't help them, and an intense distaste for security measures that actually might help them.My favorite was the little warning on the side of the box of Shredded Wheat that said it contained wheat products.
Re:warning (Score:4, Funny)
Re:warning (Score:2)
It's just easier and clearer to have a universal requirement. It's not like it costs the manufacturer anything extra to insert the warning in
Re:warning (Score:2)
"THIS PRODUCT MAY CONTAIN NUTS"
ummm...WTF is supposed to be in there?
Re:warning (Score:2)
Go watch Audition [imdb.com] and then see if you feel that way.
(Yeah, I know it's just a movie, but I'm still freaked out.)
Re:warning (Score:2)
It's much easier for a company to put a warning like this than to deal with the lawsuits, especially considering the large number of people allergic to wheat (and peanuts).
Also remember that not everything is as it seems with food - Betty Crocker's "Bac-Os" brand "bacon" bits are actually vegan and kosher, containing no meat at all.
What about the prison dating sites? (Score:3, Funny)
Total Upfront Disclosure of All Your Past Mistakes (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Total Upfront Disclosure of All Your Past Mista (Score:3, Funny)
Background Info:
Previous Addresses: 123 Main St.
Previous Names: John Q. Public
There's a saying for this (Score:2)
How many of you are in a successful relationship that would have never gotten off the ground if you had been required to reveal all of your past upon meeting your mate?
Or as the old saying goes: "People love you despite who you are, not because of who you are."
Re:Total Upfront Disclosure of All Your Past Mista (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Total Upfront Disclosure of All Your Past Mista (Score:3, Funny)
I stalked my current girlfriend for almost 12 months before we got together. She was in a relationship and I spent a lot of time and money carefully crafting a frame up for her boyfriend. When he went to prison on the child prostitution charges I was able to introduce myself to her and comfort her, which was how we ended up getting to
http://www.runjoemay.com/contact.asp (Score:2, Informative)
Let the legislators know how stupid this is.... (Score:5, Informative)
Michigan Sponsor: Rep. Jim Howell (jhowell@house.mi.gov [mailto])
Texas Sponsor: Sen. John Corona (john.carona@senate.state.tx.us [mailto])
Virginia Sponsor: Rep. Joe T. May (Del_May@house.state.va.us [mailto])
Let your voices be heard!
Re:Let the legislators know how stupid this is.... (Score:2)
If you can't vote for (or against) them, you and your opinions are completely irrelevant to a politician.
Re:Let the legislators know how stupid this is.... (Score:2)
Assemblyman Pavley,
As a California resident, I feel compelled to express my distaste for the bill you have introduced (AB1681) relating to online
services and disclaimers.
It is blindingly clear that this bill was written/requested by a single entity, True.com, in furtherance of their business desires. By introducing this bill, you have conscripted the legislative machine for the furtherance of profit of a single entity, which I find unacceptable.
We do not need forced stat
broader is better (Score:4, Funny)
WARNING PERSON IS USING PICTURE FROM 3 YEARS AGO AND HAS SINCE BECOME ADDICTED TO CHOCOLATE CAKE
or
WARNING PERSON HAS NOT BEEN SCREENED FOR EXCESSIVE BODY ODOR
and finally
WARNING PERSON HAS AN IQ BELOW 50 AND LOVES TALKING ABOUT THEMSELF
I'm not surprised.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Soon everything will come with a warning label, making warning labels as such obsolete and personal responsibility a thing of the past.
This is just another instance of "hot coffee; do not spill!" and it truly saddens me to know that some people actually have to be told these things.
The Nanny State (Score:3, Insightful)
The day will come that I drive around drunk in a '95 F-150 with a oil leak pre-installed, smoking unfiltered Camels, eating only at Waffle House, etc., etc., simply to protest this idiocy.
TER (Score:2)
Let them know what you think! (Score:3, Informative)
Warning Uncircumcised Male!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Other Warnings Needed (Score:2)
Warning! Persons posting pictures of themselves to personal websites may have personality quirks that cause them to be completely unable to pick up a living, breathing, member of the opposite sex. Or bad breath.
Warning! Persons posting personal ads with Fark logins may in fact still live in their parent's basement and may compare you to their mothers mercilessly. Or, they may see you and say some dumb shit about "I'd hit it" or "no way those knees are too sh
20% of Internet users... (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's my suggestion: (Score:2)
Why stop at dating? (Score:4, Funny)
Failed in Virginia (Score:5, Informative)
I saw this one close up. True.com's hired a professional lobbyist to try to push a bill through in Virginia, and it resulted in this: The Online Dating Safety Act, HB2467 [state.va.us]
I was bird-dogging the House Science and Technology Committee [state.va.us] meeting the day they dealt with it, and had a front-row seat on the results. Even among the most socially conservative legislators, it was seen as a company trying to legislate their business model for competitive purposes. Gotta hand it to the lobbyist, he took the True.com reps to all the right people. But in the end, it didn't really matter. When the bill came up, there was lots of snickering, and the bill died a quick and painless death. [state.va.us]
Aren't we talking about the Internet here? (Score:5, Funny)
unintended consequences... (Score:2)
The best part... (Score:4, Funny)
Ohh Cmon (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Warning! (Score:4, Interesting)
While there's no guarantee that you won't meet some psycho using a dating service, there's also no guarantee that that you won't meet a psycho at the bar, grocery, laundromat, office, friend's house, church, or anywhere else you pick someone else up. As long as you are careful (don't give out too much personal info, take it slow, meet in public places until you get a good feel for the person, follow your gut instincts, etc) then there shouldn't be problems.
Re:True gets its data from rapsheets.com (Score:3, Insightful)
Good News from Rapsheets!
Rapsheets has been acquired by ChoicePoint. Due to this recent acquisition, Rapsheets is now able to offer its consumer users access to ChoiceTrust.com, a comprehensive site offering background check products for family security and more.
I suppose that's all in how you define "good news," considering what ChoicePoint has been through in the pas