California Wants GPS Tracking Device in Every Car 1351
HTS Member writes "California has a new excuse for more taxes. Claiming losses due to fuel-efficient cars, such as Gasoline/Electric Hybrids, California is cooking-up a new system to punish people who aren't using enough gasoline. They want to tax commuters by the mile. How would this be accomplished? By requiring everyone to install a GPS device in their vehicle, and charge them their "taxes" every time they fuel-up. From the article: 'Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that.. [a] team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.'"
Yeah tax by the mile... they tried that (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Patriot Act (Score:5, Informative)
It is actually the USA PATRIOT Act, which is an acronym for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism".
Joy. (Score:3, Informative)
It's not like you can't find the GPS unit and remove it, or just disconnect it so it won't show up until the annual inspection.
And here in Texas, there's an alternative to it - tollways. Beltway 8, the Westpark Tollway - they get tons of traffic every day, and at a buck-twenty-five a stop, they rake in plenty of cash, too.
Time to register out of state... (Score:3, Informative)
No problem (Score:5, Informative)
Just fit one of these [edmo.com] above the antenna. You can fake any journey or lack thereof that you choose.
Re:Patriot Act (Score:5, Informative)
The state could conceivably rig the _device_ to remember where you were, which is a problem, but properly designed, the state could simply have it remember mileage. GPS is very good at determing velocity (and acceleration).
Additionally, if this was a self-reporting tax (ie, show the number on the LCD to the tax man), potential for abuse would also be minimized.
This is not to say CA's idea is a good one, but I get annoyed when people see "GPS" and assume that means they are being tracked.
-Erwos
Similar thing happening in UK (Score:2, Informative)
What's wrong with raising gas taxes? (Score:2, Informative)
1. They are big
2. They are fast
Bigger, faster cars do more damage to the roads and kill more people each year, so it makes sense that their drivers should have to pay more in gas taxes.
Like California needs any more laws that encourage people to drive bigger cars- they already have the loophole described in this article [slate.com].
Re:I will never live in such a state (Score:1, Informative)
From TFA:
Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."
Re:Hype? Sensationalism? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:A lot less invasive (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Patriot Act (Score:3, Informative)
If you use a digital cell phone, your location from GPS is sent to the cellular site, and recorded. You are being tracked. They could just as easily do this with GPS in your car - On*Star already does.
A new law promoted by the cellular phone companies as a "safety issue for 911 calls" requires ALL new phones to have location identification built in. Of course the REAL reason they got this law to pass was to get rid of any old analog phones. They take up as much bandwidth as a dozen "digital quality" calls. Why charge for 1 phone call on a channel, when you can charge the same amount to 10 users on that one channel. Have you tried to activate an analog phone lately? They won't do it, and tell you that it is illegal. If you have an analog phone currently active, if you ever let it lapse, it will NOT be reactivated. I have already been through this with Cellular One, and Alltel.
Re:That already happens in MA! (Score:5, Informative)
Don't Trust Oregon on this one (Score:4, Informative)
Like this. [state.or.us]
Constitutionally void? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:A lot less invasive (Score:4, Informative)
Re:That already happens in MA! (Score:3, Informative)
On a side note, even in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, they have for years had a camera under a bypass mailing people a picture of their car while speeding, and the ticket for speeding.
Not as Orwellian as being id'd by Fastlane detection, but similar. So I don't see why one would scare people more than the other.
Re:yes! Increase the income tax for the rich (Score:1, Informative)
Re:A lot less invasive (Score:2, Informative)
California might want to push this, but I think it's a ICC deal and thus, Federal.
Re:That already happens in MA! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Don't Trust Oregon on this one (Score:4, Informative)
No, it's not [oregon.gov].
Hybrid cars subsidized by government(s) in Europe (Score:2, Informative)
This is because when you buy such a car, you as a citizen contribute to the reduction of CO2 and pollution in the air and therefor help the government in reaching Kyoto Protocol milestones.
So you actually get rewarded, because the government here wants to stimulate cleaner means of transportation and if i'm not mistaking a government that does not reach the Kyoto Protocol milestones will get fined, but i'm not sure about this.
So in a way you as a citizen here help the government in preventing itself from getting fined by Kyoto.
The subsidy is most often given in the way of a rebate when you purchase your car, which can vary from 800 to 4000 Euros(The Prius saves you about 4000($5200 US) last time a saw a tv-commercial about it), but can also be given in the form of tax-refunds.
So in short, when buying a prius here, they'll cut 4000 Euros($5200 US) from the price for you, because of the government subsidies
The same is true for household equipment, like washing machines, dryers, dishwashers etc etc. If they are energy efficient passing a certain threshold of efficiency(electricity and/or water), then you'll also get a rebate or tax refund...usually rangng from 100-200 Euros.
This seemed to work quite well, because in 2004 for the first time in the history of The Netherlands, less water was used in family homes on average...entirely because of more efficient household equipment.
And if i'm not mistaking more EU member governments work this way, because ussually the cleanest equipment(and maybe cars also) come with a certain sticker which is a seal of EU approvement.
I guess this is so, because Kyoto is not just an issue of one country, but countries working together.
KISS (Score:1, Informative)