Teen Sentenced for Releasing Variant of Blaster Worm 438
ScentCone writes "Minnesota teen Jeffrey Lee Parsons got a year and half for releasing a Blaster variant. The lightweight sentence was due, said the judge, to the parents' neglect. Quoting the judge: 'It's not a healthy thing to lock yourself in a room and create your own reality.' Which means most slashdotters basically have a get out of jail free card."
Not true (Score:5, Funny)
Im playing World of Warcraft: surely thats Blizzards trademarked reality?
Re:Not true (Score:5, Insightful)
I used to read slashdot a lot. I have over 1000 posts, Karma bonus, I have had articles submitted. But i NEVER read slashdot anymore. Its not becuase i dont enjoy it. Its becuasei play WoW all the time im on my computer. Why am i here typing this up right now then if i never read slashdot. Well becuase there is a que to connect the the server. Well time to go check to see if i can go back to my reality.
Re:Not true (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Not true (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Not true (Score:3, Funny)
And I never post on slashdot.
Re:Not true (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, there's all of those unhealthy millionaires like Douglas Adams, Stephen King, the Wachowski brothers, Stan Lee, locking themselves into a room alone to create their own realities. How evil!
Re:Not true (Score:2, Insightful)
Well, that's how I do my best work. Unfortunately, the real world around me is pretty grim, and when I can get to my little house and work on my computers, then I have something that is my own. I'm sure the Judge in this case was just trying to say something important about writing viruses, but there are those of us who do decent law-abiding coding work, and create something worthwhile under those circumstan
Goin Up Da River (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe Their Charity, the Lord Protector, will assign him to tranlate old MS-DOS textbooks.
18 months in a Minnesota prison may only seem like 2000 years. Maybe his cellmate will be like that guy from Fargo...
Re:Goin Up Da River (Score:5, Funny)
1. The Web will still not even have even half the sites HTML 4 compliant, XHTML compliant sites will still be less than 10% at best.
2. Java will still be slow, cumbersome and buggy. Most Java programs will still abort with exceptions (what good is exception handling if you just crash) much of the time.
3. GNOME will still be siphoning mindshare from KDE. (the license wars are over, join forces with KDE already!)
4. Software will still be bloated.
5. CPUs will just be faster versions of the ones today, but never fast enough.
6. Apple will still be expensive, Apple users will still be elitist.
7. There will still be plenty of lawsuits going on.
8. Same with patents.
9. IPv6 still won't be available to most of the Internet.
10. People will still worship XML and web services, but not actually have a use for them.
11. There will still be many sites which only work in IE.
12. There will still be many sites that need Active X.
13. Same for windows only plugins.
Mid 2006 will be a lot like today.
Re:Goin Up Da River (Score:2)
Re:Goin Up Da River (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Goin Up Da River (Score:2)
its MINNESOTA (Score:4, Funny)
Yet oddly enough 18 months in a Minnesota prison will seen alot like 18 months in Minnesota.
Re:its MINNESOTA (Score:2)
Re:Goin Up Da River (Score:2)
Re:Goin Up Da River (Score:3, Interesting)
ignoring for a moment your confusing grouping of einstein and gates, what i'd like to know is: when was the last time gates did something usefull? or even, when was the last time he paid someone to do something usefull?
apple basic is the only thing i can come up with
Getting out free.. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Getting out free.. (Score:3, Funny)
(ok ok, enough! it was a joke damnit!)
Prison (Score:3, Funny)
Does that mean (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Well... (Score:4, Informative)
See this website http://www.spr.org/ [spr.org]
Re:Does that mean (Score:3, Insightful)
> Can someone tell me what is humourous about human beings being raped and sodomized ?
It's a variant of the banana skin joke. It's funny when something dangerous happens to somebody else but not when it happens to you. Read: Vilayanur S. Ramachandran's Reith lecture [bbc.co.uk] to learn about some of the neuroscience behind it.
I'm probably in a similar position to many in that I find the rape gags funny (I'd argue that it's inhuman not to) but I deplore the male rape that goes on in American prisons.
Rememb
Community Chest? (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't you mean a "locked yourself into jail already" card?
Re:Community Chest? (Score:2)
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>Don't you mean a "locked yourself into jail already" card?
Yeah, but if SVCHOST.EXE could run chrooted, we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?
Parents need more legal liability (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:2)
He was 18, therefore legally an adult. He was quite old enough to understand what he was doing.
Of course, MS and friends are going to gloat over this. They fi
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:5, Insightful)
First off, he's 17, and is an adult in most ways that count. At 17, he can't really hide behind the shield of your parents. He should be held responsible for most or all of his actions.
Secondly, I doubt his parents would realize he was making a virus even if they were looking. As far as they probably knew, he was programming, learning computers. He didn't get busted for drugs or playing with guns, which means his parents were doing something right.
Obviously they weren't perfect parents, but no parents are perfect.
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:5, Interesting)
He used a hex editor to change the name of the virus and put his "handle" in. That's it. He didn't write a variant of the blaster worm, he changed a couple strings in a binary.
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:2)
18 months does seem extreme for his actions, but from what I read it seems it was the miniumum term allowed.
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:5, Insightful)
He probably took too much credit for it thinking he wasn't going to get caught. If he had a better lawyer he probably could've walked clean
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:2)
And then, he let it loose. Deliberately, and obviously aware that he wasn't helping matters. If he found a gun at a crime scene, loaded it wiht a different brand of ammo (just as a learning experience, see!), and then started shooting, he's not off the hook for being a jackass. His upbringing sure didn't help - be he's obviously not stupid.
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:3, Insightful)
be he's obviously not stupid.
He's obviously stupid. His actions served nobody, and landed himself in jail. That is not intelligent behaviour by any measure.
Re:Parents need more legal liability (Score:2)
kidding (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:kidding (Score:2)
They took into account his maturity level, and he was an adult.
I don't know about you, but even at 13 I knew what a virus would do and also the implications of the damage it could do. Younger than that I would have known what I was doing was wrong, though I may not have been able to fully comprehend exactly how much damage could have been done
Re:kidding (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:kidding (Score:3, Informative)
But it is ... (Score:3, Insightful)
But it is healthy to lock YOU in a cell to create your new reality!
Partly the parents' fault? (Score:5, Funny)
"Jeffrey Lee! Stop writing malicious code and get a life!"
"And take out the trash!"
Well I try! (Score:5, Funny)
WAIT A MOMENT (Score:4, Funny)
You've got a woman, and you're locking her out?
I mean, I try, and try, and try, and for some reason I can't even get one to step in my house.
And you're locking her OUT....I am so confused....
Re:WAIT A MOMENT (Score:4, Funny)
18 months in jail != out of jail (Score:5, Interesting)
"He will still have to pay restitution to Microsoft and to people whose commuters were affected in an amount to be determined at a hearing set for Feb. 10."
"The judge imposed three years of supervised release following his prison term, during which Parson can only use computers for business and education - not video games or file-sharing or hacking."
Come on. He's not getting off easy. He didn't do anything irrepairable, why would more jail time change things?
Re:18 months in jail != out of jail (Score:5, Insightful)
If we looked at this at the cost of putting someone in jail for nonviolent crimes, and had him on probation doing community service, community service would win out. He could serve his time while going to school, much better for everyone.
We are not only trying to punish them, but also rehabilitate them. Which by all accounts, using the death penalty as an example, criminals will do criminal activity no matter what the punishment.
Our legal system is broke, and people are paying for it. The cost of law enforcement vs prison is really out of balance. Of course, Texas has turned prison into a money making business, which should show how absurd the whole thing is.
Kids still do stupid stuff, and writing viruses seem to be something kids do. Same as smoking pot, nothing is going to change if we put everyone in prison, other than making a prison state.
Non-violent criminals should be treated different, and then circumstances taken into account. Stealing excluded.
A useless person? (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, his crimes were a bit more on the border and less damaging, but he was in jail longer, convicted older, and still seems to have gotten on with his life pretty well. I'd hardly call the guy useless.
I figure this kid has at least as good a chance of turning out a normal guy as Mitnick. (Though only time will tell if he has the moxie for it)
Re:18 months in jail != out of jail (Score:3, Insightful)
While I concur that the legal remedy for crimes is generally pretty screwed up, in this case, I do not think they will make a useless person out of this.
Re:18 months in jail != out of jail (Score:2, Troll)
How many man hours of very expensive IT productivity went into cleaning up the mess he deliberately caused? How is that, in meaningful terms, not as bad as "stealing?"
Re:18 months in jail != out of jail (Score:2)
Where's the borderline for stealing? Physically taking goods from someone else? From a store? Hacking someone's bank account and draining it? What makes it stealing? The fact that it takes money or items away from someone else? If that's the case, a worm could be some of the worst stealing possible. You have the potential to cost people thousands, even millions, of dollars. Is it only st
Re:18 months in jail != out of jail (Score:4, Insightful)
Prom Date (Score:2)
Tee-Hee (Score:2)
Microsoft's Culpability (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Microsoft's Culpability (Score:2)
What??? So if I buy a lock that does not work, and you decide you want to "educate" me, you can break in my house? Is that right? What if I don't want to lock my door, is that my fault? What are you saying about human nature?
We ne
Re:Microsoft's Culpability (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's say for example that you experience some persistent bug in your web server software, that is triggered whenever a user hits your site and does not have IE or Netscape/Mo'. This bug causes the server to crash whenever it reads the line that would contain the alternate browser's id... for whatever reason it cannot handle the 'malformatted' line that says 'browser=Opera'.
Gee, that's a pretty frickin' annoying bug. Now, normally when you buy a defective product, you can sound off on it, and give a bad review of the product for example.
Not so with BigIP's software. Sure, you can write a non-flattering review about how their server software crashes. But, just mentioning that carries very little weight. Prospective buyers, even if they SEE your review, are comparing your personal review with against the massive onslaught of the company's marketing machine. The marketing machine is going to say that the server software has records for uptime, and is fully compliant with all standards, and works with all sorts of end user tech, etc.. How is the end user to know you just aren't some jerk who didn't know what he was doing and is now pissed off because he misconfigured his web server?
The answer is, you post the conditions of how the software misbehaves and you dispell the notion that you simply incompetent. People will be able to see that the 'malformatted' line of code is actually something that could plausibly be sent to the server, and that the server will crash as a result. NOW... you've got something. Now your words have some force behind them as it is provable that your bad review of the software is not just spite, it points out legitimate flaws in the software.
HOWEVER.... posting this information can now get you into all kinds of trouble. The company that produces the web server product can now look at it in a couple of ways... one, how much will it cost us to fix the problem (Soft. Eng.s cost money, you know), and two, how much will it cost us to silence the problem (Lawyers aint free either). If one is cheaper than two, the problem gets fixed. If two is cheaper than one, the site owner gets a letter telling them to remove infringing materials from their site, that they are culpable for any hacking that occurs as a result, and that they are liable for any damages resulting from the offending review.
And that, to me, is the problem. Rather than fix the security holes, companies try to silence people who point them out. The theory is that by making exploitive information go away, they can make the problem go away. This is the "weak lock" theory. However, the problem DOES NOT go away simply because it is more difficult to find the flaw in the lock. The flaw still exists and dedicated theives will still find it. The weak lock with the widely known flaw will be exploited by the casual thief. The weak lock with not-so-widely known flaw will be exploited by the professional thief. This does not make the lock any better at protecting you against theft by those equipped to take advantage of it. Studies of whether or not casual, script kiddie type hackers do more damage picking a thousand locks than a few dedicated hackers using the picks on several dozen machines, and then using those machines to commit further crimes is another topic entirely. (My bet is on the dedicated types doing more. Reinstalling windows across 2000 machines is time consuming. Having a few hundred machines to run identify theft out of, is incredibly damaging.)
By using the weak lock theory, BigIP can market software as a strong lock when in fact it is a weak lock. They are free to state this and anyone who disagrees is written off / sued. Whenever it is against the law to hurt a company's revenue, by making truthful statements... well, I don't want to complete that thought, as it leads to all sorts of horrific ramifications.
Not Healthy ... (Score:2)
Instant thought (which I'm sure you've all had too!): Isn't that what all creative artists (writers, painters, programmers etc.) actually do?
Plus I guess we can assume that the punishment of locking him away in a room is also not healthy?
Re:Not Healthy ... (Score:2)
Yes, that is exactly what all creative artists do. But creative artists generally have lousy lives, especially the brilliant (=misunderstood) ones. Oh, sure, we may love the fruits of their labour (Ulysses, The Potato Farmers, Linux) but it is pretty rare to actually want to live their lives..
Not good be alone all day with machine friends? (Score:2, Funny)
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<head>
<voice id="Homer Simpson">
WooHoo!
</voice>
<voice id="Mr. Burns">
Excellent!
</voice>
<voice id="Ralph Wiggum">
I think I broke my wookie.
</voice>
</head>
You knew (Score:5, Funny)
Behold [com.com] the comparison. [about.com]
Re:You knew (Score:2)
Parents? (Score:3, Funny)
It doesn't seem fair to me (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It doesn't seem fair to me (Score:3, Insightful)
If, at the age of 17, you had your hands on this virus code....would you have released it into the wild? With your name on it? Not a chance.
Now that would be interesting... (Score:3, Funny)
"Light Weight?!?!?" (Score:5, Interesting)
You really think this is worth wasting a productive life over?!?
I guess the reason that I got rejected for this story is that I thought the sentance was oppressive, and this submitter felt it was lightweight. Get out of jail free card?? How about felony speech?!
Surely, there was some ground that both got the point home to him well before prison. Were they worried about Anarchy breaking out all over?
Re:"Light Weight?!?!?" (Score:2)
I don't see how he could be denied the right to vote, since when he committed his act he didn't HAVE the right to vote. How can you lose what you don't already have? It would be like ordering your car seized, but you don't own one, so one day when you buy one, the gov't takes it.
But laws don't make sen
Re:"Light Weight?!?!?" (Score:2)
Hmm... did I miss something in the article where he talked about and/or posted source code for something without actually using it to attack computers?
A DNS attack using compromised zombies is neither protected nor speech.
Re:"Light Weight?!?!?" (Score:2)
Just read the article (Score:5, Insightful)
I remember seeing this kids picture when he was busted, and now that i've read his story, I've gotta say I feel sorry for him.
Not so much for his punishment, as much as his life thus far. His parents did get blamed by the judge for being neglectful, but I don't think that begins to explain how bad it was.
The guy was afraid to go outside. You can see in his photo that he's rather large, and not at all the typical 19 year old (He was what? 17 when he got busted?). It just looks like another case wherein a kid was an outcast, primarily due to a bad home situation, and rather than have friends or relatives to help him through, he retreated into his room, and kind of lived in his own world, which the parents did nothing to prevent, or try to help him outta.
Just sounds like a sad story... Kinda like you feel after watching one of those HBO Specials like "Black Tar Heroin" or something. It sucks that he is where he is, but what sucks worse is that there's lotsa other people out there in similar situations.
The Skatenigs said it best w/their debut album: "Stupid people shoudn't breed!".
Re:Just read the article (Score:2)
18 months confinement is bad enough, but he is at risk of much more:
http://www.spr.org/ [spr.org]
Stop the abuse in our nation's prisons.
uh, huh, (Score:2)
so let's lock him in a room with someone else who will love creating a whole 'nother reality for him.
one man's reality is another man's fantasy.
Judges should spend time in prison (Score:2, Insightful)
If this Judge thinks having a taste of reality is a healthy thing, they should have themselves placed into the prison system with which they punish people and see if they have any better grasp of reality afterwards.
18 months != 18 months (Score:3, Informative)
- 1-3 months in County jail awaiting transport
- Remaining 15-17 months can actually be served as 1/3 time, given good behavior. That leaves about 5 -6 months left
Total time: around 7 or 8 months.
Months Seem Like Millennia (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Months Seem Like Millennia (Score:3, Insightful)
Throw the book at him... (Score:2)
The judge imposed three years of supervised release following his prison term, during which Parson can only use computers for business and education - not video games or file-sharing or hacking.
The judge should have denied him any access to computers, to hell with the kids education. Would a judge allow a drunk driver to get back in a car if he caused damage to 50,000 cars? It is the same thi
Lenient (Score:2)
Slashdot got nuttin on the NBA (Score:2)
The Blazers suspended him for the WHOLE rest of the season, and then fired him.
But he gets picked up by the Heat, who are a championship bound team, and given only a 5 game suspension.
So not only is his sentence lighter - but he gets "promoted" to a better team.
All while making obscene amounts of money for doing something most of us would consider "recreation" an
Slashdot - the fountain of youth? (Score:2)
Well, according to this poll [slashdot.org] from a while back, no more than 24% of slashdotters could be considered "teens." Is ScentCone implying that the longer we read Slashdot, the more childish we become?
Not that I'm saying he'd be wrong, mind you. . .
Re:Slashdot - the fountain of youth? (Score:2)
I'm still pretty new to this forum. It is ruining my life. So yes, I think you've about got it right!
What, no Microsoft bashing? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:bad. (Score:2)
Re:bad. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Gitmo (Score:3, Insightful)
Except... those children can ruin businesses and careers. I know, if no machine was ever vulnerable, it could never happen. But, truly, this is just like 14 year old kids who drop rocks off of bridges onto the highway, just to see if they can hit a windshield. Being older than 10, and not able to see at least a couple consequences of your actions is pretty much of a defect (or, indeed, the sign of som
Re:Gitmo (Score:2, Insightful)
Not even close. This is more like egging someone's car, parked on the street instead of in a garage. That's not entirely accurate, either, but at least it wouldn't involve people actually dying (like chucking rocks at cars on the highway could).
Re:Gitmo (Score:2)
OK, so assume that it's just something benign, like trashing someone's network on the day that their growing company is trying to perform a make-or-break demo. Deal lost, business ruined, business owner's mortgage foreclosed...
Not trying to sound hysterical here, but I know small e-businesses that are still at the point where losing even one day's revenue at the wrong time would almost be their undoing. Mitigating risk is important, and people that
Re:Gitmo (Score:3, Interesting)
Which is a bit like saying that breaking and entering is the homeowner's fault for using windows. No windows means no part of the wall is easily breakable, so no one can get in.
Re:Gitmo (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Gitmo (Score:2)
But yes, I get your point.
Re:Gitmo (Score:3, Insightful)
But where do you (personally) draw the line? Candidly, I'd rather they could vote at 16, but not drive until 21. But a 17 year old (really, now) should be able to understand basic stuff like: millions of people rely on something that's not bulletproof, and this malicious thing I'm about to do will really, really screw with them. It's not that he doesn't know that, it's that he doesn't care. Same could be said about a 16 year old that d
Re:Gitmo (Score:2, Interesting)
Sometimes the law draws an arbitrary line (voting age, army age, driving age) and sometime it prefers to judge in case by case (as in murders, trials as an adult).
If legal age for prison can fluctuate, then the legal age for voting, drinking, driving, and the army should also be decided on a case by case basis.
Staggered Majority is ridiculous (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, this just led to the 'blind eye'. Many of us felt if you were old enough to wear the uniform, take the o
Re:She must be new here. (Score:2)
He'll get some jail time, he'll won't be able to play video games or use a computer for anything but education/work for 3 years after his jail term is up (or he'll probably go back to jail), plus, he'll have to pay money to the victims and Microsoft.
What part of this is a slap on the wrist? It sounds like this teenager will have a very rough time for the next 5 years of his life.
Re:She must be new here. (Score:2)
Re:She must be new here. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:She must be new here. (Score:3, Interesting)
Really now, we don't know all that much about the details of this person's life. The judge has a lot more information on this person's background and is better able to decide than those of us in the "peanut
Re:He was young (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Odd punishment (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It's a joke (Score:2)
I mean really, we all know *average* people can't be expected to control themselves. The fault obviously lies with the gun manufacturers. They should know better than to create such damaging objects.
Re:It's a joke (Score:2)
He did what he did. That someone else hasn't been caught doesn't make him innocent.
Re:Get off light? (Score:3, Interesting)
For purposes of this discussion