Microsoft Critic Received $9.75m After Settlement 267
An anonymous reader writes "Just this month, Microsoft paid almost $20 million to the Computer and Communications Industry Association to make an anti-trust lawsuit go away.
FT.com has just revealed that *half* of that payment was pocketed by Ed Black, the president of CCIA and one of MS's fiercest opponents over antitrust issues. His payment was approved by the CCIA board, which includes Sun Microsystems, Yahoo and Oracle. And here's a quote from this article at Groklaw: Could this be why Nokia quit the CCIA right after the settlement was announced, saying matters were not handled "in the proper way"?"
is it just me? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:is it just me? (Score:5, Funny)
Everyone has his price (Score:5, Insightful)
Granted, $9.75m is a nice price to have... don't think I'd be too quick to say no myself.
T.
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:5, Funny)
She says, "sure."
Next, he says, "will you sleep with me for a dollar?"
She slaps him in the face and says, "what kind of woman do you think I am?"
He replies, "We have already established that, we are just dickering over price!"
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:4, Informative)
'twas Churchill, not Shaw (Score:5, Funny)
They had two other famous exchanges (and strangely always seemed to find themselves next to each other at dinner):
Winston Churchill: Madam, you are ugly.
Lady Astor: And you, Winston, are drunk.
Winston Churchill: Ah yes, but in the morning I shall be sober.
&
Lady Astor: If you were my husband Winston, I should poison your soup.
Winston Churchill: And if you were my wife, I'd drink it.
Re:'twas Churchill, not Shaw (Score:3, Funny)
Are you kidding? If I knew that exchanges like that were likely, I'd not only regularly invite both to gatherings but INSIST that they sit near each other.
The other fun pairing... (Score:3, Funny)
I find the debate that ensues made all the more hilarious as the two groups generally agree on about 99% of issues.
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:5, Funny)
A boy comes home from school, and tells his dad: "Today we learned the
difference between 'theoretically' and 'practically', but I'm not sure
I got it. Could you explain it to me?" The father thinks for a
minute and then replies "Son, your mom is in the other room, go and
ask her if she would be willing to have sex with a stranger for a
million dollars." The boy returns after a short minute and says: "She
said she would." "OK," says the father, "now go upstairs and ask your
older sister the same question." Again the boy returns after a short
while, and again he says "She said she would." "So, you see son," the
father says, "theoretically we have two million dollars in our house,
but practically we have two whores."
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:3, Insightful)
A suit is more often than not looking for a price. This just means this price met his criteria.
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:2)
Or just take it and run away.
$9.75m will make you nice life in any 3rd world country.
I do not see any sense in playing fair with a partner that has proven himself untrustworthy.
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:2, Informative)
Nope, you can't do that. A settlement is a contractual agreement saying, "we give you money and you can't sue us."
A person close to the CCIA said, "if anything, this may boost the CCIA's ability to recruit new members." This settlement sounds less like a financial move and more like the CCIA just wanted to improve its relations with Microsoft and make their organization a 'safer investmen
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:2)
Sure enough, one of his colleagues in name withheld by request got to pocket a substantial bonus.
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:2)
Kind of like how if you sell your services as a soldier, you are a mercenary, but if you work for a company that sells your services as a soldier, you are a private military contractor.
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:2)
Dude, $9.75m will make you a good life in any 1st world country. Even if you just put it in a savings account, you're still making about $200k per year in interest.
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:2)
Re:Everyone has his price (Score:2)
oops, slow down cowboy 2 minute interval remains.
Surprise! (Score:5, Funny)
Next week Slashdot will discuss : "The Pope : could he be a Catholic?"
Re:Surprise! (Score:2)
There is a small difference, however, in these two cases. The boy and MJ acted as private individuals and settled as private individuals. Mr. Black, OTOH, acted as an official but netted the money as a private individual. This is why MJ's case is a settlement and the CCIA case is a bribery.
I would not care less if he got $10M 'pension
Re:Surprise! (Score:2)
$20 million? To make an antitrust suit disappear? (Score:5, Interesting)
I bet the Microsoft people were popping champagne corks over that one. They would have thought nothing of spending $20 million defending themselves in court, so spending that much to make sure it never got that far was probably the easiest decision in the world.
As to where that $20 million went, well, that's another story. If half did go to Ed Black then it seems to me that he's got a lot of explaining to do.
Re:$20 million? To make an antitrust suit disappea (Score:2, Interesting)
To be fair, they had to give Novell ~$500M to buy their silence, as I recall.
Re:$20 million? To make an antitrust suit disappea (Score:2)
seems fair... (Score:2, Insightful)
$20 mil for legal immunity sounds about right.
Re:seems fair... (Score:2)
I think it cost a little more than that. Plus there are thousands of volunteers. Ultimately, if you could really buy the election then all that money Soros, et al, were pumping in would have helped more.
Money greases the wheels, but it's not going to make radical changes.
I'm sure it didn't help when Ballmer said, "You got change for a billion?".
But it all ads up (Score:5, Interesting)
Worse with each payment the price goes up. If you got a complaint against MS you are hardly going to settle for a handshake are you? They paid in the past so you want your share.
There is a reason IBM didn't just settle with SCO. If they did every lawyer in the world would have send them a complaint.
Sure MS is buying itself temporary peace but this is resulting in two long term effects.
First anybody else who has the slightest case will want their millions.
But second is a far more damaging effect. If you read the FT story it is very clear that the journalist is calling this a clear case of bribery. Now why would you bribe a witness unless the witness has really seen something? I give it a couple more years before most of the real press will have decided that yes MS is a clearly corrupt company. This will cast suspicion on all their dealings.
Surely any good journalist will then start to question every time MS gets a contract or makes a lawsuit go away who has been paid off for how much?
If I were a reporter at the FT looking for a story I would do some investigation into who received what sums of money for the recent NHS deal or the US army deal. The last one is especially good. The US army has said that windows wasn't good enough for their future soldier project but it is good enough for the desktop of soldiers? Wheres the money!
Re:But it all ads up (Score:2, Insightful)
How old are you? You seem to be ignorant of the fact that this kind of behaviour has been going on with MSFT longer th
Re:But it all ads up (Score:2)
Surely any good journalist will then start to question every time MS gets a contract or makes a lawsuit go away who has been paid off for how much?
and what good will that do?
here we already have a blatant case where *everyone* knows "who has been paid off for how much", the consequences of which are
I bet they can even write it off against the pitifuly tax they pay.
Re:But it all ads up (Score:2)
You think that the average guy buying his next PC or software in his local computer store cares whether Microsoft is "a clearly corrupt company" or not? It doesn't stop virtually every Fortune 500 company dealing with them, does it?
And as for the mainstream press, well, to them Microsof
Re:But it all ads up (Score:2)
Are you insinuating that Microsoft is the only "clearly corrupt" major corporation in the US, or that they are merely one of a few? After all, we know that the IBMs, AT&Ts, Worldcoms, Enrons, and all the other major corporations would never do anything unethical just to make a buck.
Seriously, I'm no Microsoft fanboy (just look at my
Re:$20 million? To make an antitrust suit disappea (Score:2)
"Hold on a minute, Gillian Anderson and I have to open another magnum of Dom Perignon to help us wash down the beluga caviar grits we just finished licking outa Natalie Portman's belly button", he explained.
I myself profited from this settlement (Score:5, Funny)
Saw this in the FT this morning. Had a sweepstake on how long it would be before it appeared on
I pocketed what I'll just describe as a 'large one-digit sum'.
Heh heh heh... now to spend my wealth while industry as a whole suffers...
Re:I myself profited from this settlement (Score:4, Funny)
You will have to give some back this afternoon when it gets duped!
They're all the same. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:They're all the same. (Score:3, Funny)
Indeed, I envy Ed Black for this excellent deal as well
Re:They're all the same. (Score:2)
Now, if someone would kindly pay me 10% of what Mr Black just got, I'll quietly go away
Why pay him off? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Why pay him off? (Score:2)
After all, it
Re:Why pay him off? (Score:5, Insightful)
They did - hence the news reports... $20M to silence a critic is a good deal, but to discredit them as well it's a bargain.
Re:Why pay him off? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why pay him off? (Score:2)
Moreover, good hitman are quite expensive, and hitmen are notoriously bad at keeping their client's affairs secret when they are facing the death penalty. They may be generally successful, but the legal risk of facing a murder charge is huge: the cost/benefit analysis doesn't often support it.
But don't think Bill Gates and his minions haven't thought about it a few times.
Re:Why pay him off? (Score:2)
Re:Why pay him off? (Score:2)
everyman has his price... (Score:5, Funny)
i wonder if he's getting it in cash or a couple of SQL Server licences...
Re:everyman has his price... (Score:3, Funny)
Stinks twice over ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Secondly because to say the least, it seems very dubious that Ed Black pockets half the money himself. It's not like he was damaged personally in the case to which the settlement applies, or was he?
This smell fishy and I can't blame Nokia for saying 'all nice and well, but we won't be part of this.'
Re:Stinks twice over ... (Score:2)
Personally, I hope Nokia had good reason to back out of this thing, and I hope they will eventually go public with those reasons.
Hmmm... (Score:4, Insightful)
Could this be an unwarranted inference on the part of the poster?
Re:Hmmm... (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Informative)
Being optimistic here but... (Score:5, Insightful)
2004 [transparency.org]
2003 [transparency.org]
2002 [transparency.org]
2001 [transparency.org]
2000 [transparency.org]
Re:Being optimistic here but... (Score:3, Insightful)
However, I have some doubts about a survey which is entirely based off of the perceptions of businessmen and financial journalists. In many cases, that will result in a correct result, but it also often will not. Especially, nations which have companies getting a lot more press might have some shift in that, even if that doesn't reflect on the nation itself. Of course, to r
Re:Being optimistic here but... (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm... (Score:2)
OSDL and RedHat are CCIA members too (Score:5, Informative)
And OSDL and RedHat [ccianet.org]. Was the submitter trying to imply complicity between Sun and Microsoft by omitting those other members from that list?
Re:OSDL and RedHat are CCIA members too (Score:3, Insightful)
Members == members of the board (Score:4, Informative)
That would be how these things are usually organised.
Re:OSDL and RedHat are CCIA members too (Score:4, Interesting)
This is extremely strange, especially seeing that CCIA are a member of te Open Source Development Labs [osdl.org].
So, though indirectly, Microsoft are now members of the Open Source Development Labs ! Could everyone repeat after me, wtf?
Best deals... (Score:4, Funny)
Best deals: The Courts
Whoa.
Re:Best deals... (Score:2)
Right. Did you actually click on the link? You get this gem:
You may also find useful results for 'The Courts' in Video Games.Corruption (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Corruption (Score:5, Funny)
That's a common misconception. Nokia is not a country, it's the capital of Finland! Gee, stupid Americans.
Re:Corruption (Score:4, Informative)
Please keep buying Nokia phones and you help keep our city tax rate down.
As for corruption. You can hardly buy a cup of coffee in Finland for your client without getting the local equivalent of IRS breathing down your neck.
Re:Corruption (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Corruption (Score:2)
And just in defence of Americans, I'm from the UK and usually bash Americans for getting geography wrong
Re:Corruption (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Corruption (Score:3, Funny)
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Wow (Score:5, Funny)
They seem to be low skill, high pay jobs. And if you get fired, you get a firing bonus in the millions.
Hell (Score:3, Informative)
Hell. All you have to do is sign a deal with the Devil.
Re:Wow (Score:4, Interesting)
That's not too hard. Problem is that the schools that offer such a degree can only be afforded by children of the very wealthy.
Bribes`r`us? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Bribes`r`us? (Score:2)
Re:Bribes`r`us? (Score:3, Interesting)
I doubt they'd care if MS paid of some chinese diplomat to be quiet, but the EU is a fairly big partner these days.
Profit? (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Get to head of industry body
2. Criticise Microsoft
3. ????
4. Profit!
Although, I guess the ???? bit has been worked out now.
this may be unrelated but (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:this may be unrelated but (Score:5, Funny)
I completely agree. I came over here from the UK and boy was I surprised when I found out that I could pull a lever and get water out! The best thing - you can get it hot or cold!!! Just wait until mother and father hears about this when I send my next letter back home. They'll be so pleased I'm not wallowing around in the mud looking for bugs like my brothers and sisters.
Re:this may be unrelated but (Score:2, Funny)
MP:MoL (Score:5, Funny)
New business model for Microsoft (Score:2, Funny)
Re:New business model for Microsoft (Score:2)
unsettling (Score:5, Interesting)
Suing Micro$oft for Fun and Profit (Score:3, Insightful)
Anti-Microsoft zealots gladly look the other way whem MS takes the hit, whether its wrong or right. Now that the big money is in the game, and people are suing for fun and profit, and it's *not* a Linux company getting the green, suddenly everyone is worried. pshaw!
Comedy (Score:5, Funny)
I don't blame him. Fuck, if I got offered $9.75m to stop bitching about Microsoft, I'd take Gates' arm off at the elbow!
D.
Fail-out. (Score:4, Interesting)
Wonder if this means the EU Anti-trust case will fail apart, or, like the US slowly fade into nothing
Jaj
Pocket Change (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, 9.5 million is enough to make anybody think twice.
Lather, Rinse, repeat? (Score:3, Funny)
Hey, i patent that!
E-mail Adress (Score:3, Informative)
eblack@ccianet.org
Yet another way to get rich off of Microsoft... (Score:2)
The Media's Role (Score:4, Insightful)
Hey! (Score:3, Funny)
Membership has its privileges (Score:2, Insightful)
This was Ballmer's number one project this year. (Score:4, Funny)
1. Pay off all litigants.
2. Buy a new shirt, all the my others have pit stains.
3. Investigate what antiperspirant is
4. Attend next class of the Howard Dean speech school
5. Hostile take-over of The Hair Club for men for their technology.
6. Steal Apples ideas, rebrand as Microsofts.
7. Portray everyone who uses a non-microsoft MP3 player as thieves. Portray Windows users as honest folk...ignore questions about product activation that contacts our servers.
8. Buy another shirt, this one is pit stained already.
9. Say I saw linux developers dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight.
10. Fix security in Windows, if we can.
Re:new avenue for making money ? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:what a joke (Score:4, Funny)
You're concerns are certainly justified. Solid gold pillows and matresses stuffed with 100 dollar bills can be pretty uncomfortable, and trophy wives tend to have cold feet.
Re:So they're buying their oligopoly.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Except Novell, Sun, Opera all have legitimate cases against Microsoft. Of course they expect they're entitled to compensation - if a monopoly fucked you over, stole / usurped your tech, denied you a market, scared off your customers, I bet you would too.
Opera are smaller, but I bet Novell, Sun, AOL and probably Real could all demonstrate massive losses in the hundreds of millions or even billions due to anti-com
Re:So they're buying their oligopoly.. (Score:2)
Cool .... (Score:2)
Like a big meta-anti-trust case; or maybe just meta-trust.
I like it. Well, I've never met a meta-anti-trust I didn't like, so can we make it a Class Action Meta Anti Trust (CAMET) lawsuit and get meta rich?
I see potential here.