The Future of Free Weather Data on the Internet 312
An anonymous reader writes "The National Weather Service wants to update a 1991 policy that limits what data it can put on the Internet. The proposed new policy makes putting free data on the Internet official. The Private Weather Sector wants NWS to provide its new digital forecasts only in specialized data formats and would like NWS to shut down new XML data feeds. Barry Myers (MS Word doc), president of Accuweather wants you to have pay before using Kweather and other similar tools. Myers is asking friends to comment against the new NWS policy by June 30. Should we have to pay twice to get weather forecasts?"
PC weather tools (Score:3, Informative)
Are there any good non-adware PC weather tools? Being a true geek, I sometimes don't look out a window for days at a time. Besides the infamous Weatherbug [pchell.com], what else is there?
Do your own Weather forcast... (Score:5, Informative)
Connect a 137-138MHz FM communications receiver or scanner to your soundcard and get colour images directly from overhead weather satellites. You can either build your own like I did or just buy a receiver.
For an explanation try:
http://www.emgola.cz/www_fa/meteosat_englis
and for a great tool: http://www.wxtoimg.com
Australia went down this path.... OS won :-) (Score:5, Informative)
It's a really really useful tool. I use it at least a couple of times a week - basically anytime the weather seems a bit sus and I need to decide if to do a bolt from the office on my bike before a storm front hits, or to wait until it passes. The last four images thing lets you get a feel for which way the weather is blowing, etc, etc.
On Tuesday nights, when the Sydney Knights [yahoo.com] do their Tuesday Night Ride (TNR), we're all hitting the bom.gov.au site to see what the weather is looking like. If you ride a motorcycle and live in Sydney, Australia then you need to come on a TNR!.
Now Australia didn't seem to have the problem with the commercial weather services wanting to continue to charge customers for something that they already paid the government for... that's a whole new ball game. Still, I'm all for the gummint opening up public access to weather data in any jurisdiction - it's a really really really good thing. Let the snake oil sellers find a new flavour of snake oil - I've heard that the penis enlargement pill market is a good one.
.doc as html (Score:5, Informative)
Re:PC weather tools (Score:3, Informative)
The weather module of GKrellM. http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html
btw. could those stealing middlemen stop nagging that their stealing businessmodel stops working.
If they had setup devices of their own and had financed all self instead of piggybacking on the Government weather services that are paid by us, not them.
Re:Stop setting up strawmen. (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.1900storm.com
It's not a straw man argument. That was the greatest natural disaster (loss of life) in US history, and a significant contributing factor was that the fledgling US Weather Service didn't want to listen to the Cuban weather reports. Privatized weather companies may or may not be more willing to work and play together, but they certainly haven't shown the willingness to invest in the necessary infrastructure. Plus, in many countries private weather companies may *not* be able to cooperate, by government fiat.
Less government is generally better, but national infrastructure like weather services are a notable exception.
KeS
Re:PC weather tools (Score:2, Informative)
This "Business Model" Already Exist (Score:5, Informative)
I agree with others here, i.e. Personal use of NWS data have already been paid for and should not fall into the IRS/3rd party software business model.
CWOP is Citizen Weather (Score:2, Informative)
With CWOP, all the data is sent to http://www.findu.com/ [findu.com] where anyone can retrieve the data.
Weather data is free this way, thanks to the support of Ham Radio operators internet infrastructure.
Darryl Smith, VK2TDS
Sydney. Australia
Accuweather Boycott Created (Score:2, Informative)
An accuweather boycott has been created at Boycott City [boycottcity.org]. However, it may take 24 hours before the boycott is officially added to the list and you can join. If you want to join, send yourself a reminder message to visit the site tomorrow.
This is my first experiment with such a system. The primary value of such an online boycott is that people can search to find out if people are boycotting a company - and why - before doing business with a company. As an added bonus, when you join a boycott it shows up on the main page thereby raising awareness.
The boycott city system itself is pretty crude and doesn't yet have a large user base.
Canadian Climate Data (Score:2, Informative)
Found a free archive on Environment Canada [ec.gc.ca] that does just that for all of Canada.
Re:National Weather Service funding... (Score:4, Informative)
You mean,like these guys?
Re:A replacement will not take long (Score:2, Informative)
'Open Source' weather collection would give a more accurate picture of statistics. If there are a few closed weather centers with high accuracy equipment to say a few hundred thousand people contributing to and open system. The system with more people even though running with 'poorer' equipment, would give a better overview, as the results of weather statistics is that of averages so the errors get smoothed out in the end.
I know there was/is a simular type event happening for earth quake detection. A home system that many people plugged into and then each persons meter would report to some central station. So perhaps now is the time for weather to do the same.
Re:Should we have to pay twice to get weather fore (Score:5, Informative)
What's this [met-office.gov.uk], then?
Re:Should we have to pay twice to get weather fore (Score:4, Informative)
This must definitely depend on which nation in Europe you talk about. In Denmark, DMI [www.dmi.dk] provides specialized weather reports and forecasts for aviation, shipping, and farming. DMI is a national institution and many of its services are free.
Let the NOAA know you want the data to stay free.. (Score:3, Informative)
Instead of bemoaning the state of the public sector how about actually doing something about it and actively lobby the people in power to keep this free?
Put the free NWS data on your website! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Should we have to pay twice to get weather fore (Score:3, Informative)
I got some inside looks at the battle inside this "Market Division". Generally, scientists think that weather information is a vital resource that should be kept free, and they are fighting for that end inside the institute. But the market realities are that it might not be for very much longer, since the government is cutting back funding every now and then, giving vitally important resources to the people is going to bancrupt them any day now.
Like happened to the Norwegian mapping authority. It was founded in the beginning of 18-hundred something, and by 1890, the whole country was mapped. Funnily, it is now impossible to get a decent map of the country that is not under some kind of copyright, after the mapping authority folded under market pressures. Fortunately, we get our free data from US sources. Thanks a lot, US taxpayers! You pay a lot less taxes than we do, yet manage to get useful common data.
Another example of IPR gone wrong: Anybody care to tell me why a work completely done by 1890 mostly be people who thought that mapping the country was important to break free from the superpowers of the day needs copyright in 2004...?
Re:A replacement will not take long (Score:3, Informative)
Not that it is in any way a replacement for a government service, but The Weather Undergound [underground.org.hk] of Hong Kong, and presumably affiliated groups [wunderground.com], do have their own weather stations, though most of their data is from government observatories. But I think witout weather satellite photos, no one can conme anywhere near current state-of-the-art.
Re:SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS! (Score:1, Informative)
Here are the addresses for the lazy folks:
myersb@accuweather.com,fairweather@noaa.gov,DL.
Where to send your comments: (Score:3, Informative)
Official comment address:
fairweather@noaa.gov
and
General D.L. Johnson
Director of the National Weather Service
DL.Johnson@noaa.gov
Admiral Conrad C. Lautenbacher, Jr.
Under Secretary of Commerce and NOAA
Administrator
Conrad.C.Lautenbacher@noaa.g
Secretary Donald L. Evans
Office of the Secretary, Department of Commerce
devans@doc.gov
Also find out who your congressman is at:
http://congress.org/congressorg/home/