Microsoft Sues Brazilian Official for Defamation 401
The Importance of writes "Larry Lessig is reporting that Microsoft is threatening a defamation lawsuit against Sergio Amadeu, President of the National Institute of Information Technology (ITI) of Brazil, for comments he has made about Microsoft's business practices, "accusing the company of a 'drug-dealer practice' for offering the operational system Windows to some governments and city administration for digital inclusion programs. 'This
is a trojan horse, a form of securing critical mass to continue constraining the country'." Additionally, "To Amadeu, this will be a decisive year to win the 'strategy of fear, uncertainty and doubt', as he classifies the business model of Microsoft." Microsoft's complaint claims that this is "an excess in freedom of speech and freedom of thought, by means of the dissemination of information." Read a translation of the complaint [PDF] and the original article, "The Penguin Advances [PDF]." Lessig notes that this may be defamation in Brazil, but would not be considered defamation in the United States."
damn right it's a falsehood (Score:5, Funny)
Calling windows "operational" HAS to be a crime somewhere.
Heh (Score:5, Funny)
Re:damn right it's a falsehood (Score:3, Interesting)
I find windows very useful when I want to do anything remotely graphical in nature (and I use a WIMP GUI much more than a CLI).
Maybe you were joking but people who say windows are evil still live in the Dark Ages; RL (and, indeed, the WWW) is graphical, not text-based, (thank god!), therefore there are many times when you want (especially when displaying pictures) a GUI. Before I get flamed, I do not want to get rid of CLIs as they have their uses and m
RL is Graphical? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:damn right it's a falsehood (Score:3, Funny)
Misleading title... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Misleading title... (Score:5, Funny)
Just like announcing a product and actually releasing one.
It's just a vaporware lawsuit.
Re:Misleading title... (Score:5, Insightful)
However, I don't think MS would have any problem with actually sueing mr. Amadeu if he continues to spread his 'lies'... even if their case looks weak. They might desist though, if such a lawsuit would turn into a publicity nightmare: "We cheerfully crush the ones that oppose us!"
Re:Misleading title... (Score:5, Interesting)
Even if Microsoft manages to buy some of the press, there is a significant risk that some website like groklaw may emerge and start digging up annoying facts on Microsoft and its business practices.
The question is will Microsoft be smart enough to realize this.
Re:Misleading title... (Score:4, Funny)
You sir deserve many, many mod points. (Score:2, Funny)
It's just like a camp fire. We can all sing some heartening songs now.
Re:You sir deserve many, many mod points. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Misleading title... (Score:2)
Re:Misleading title... (Score:5, Insightful)
As someone else pointed out, Ballmer said that "Linux is a cancer" quite recently -- this is hardly worse than "Microsoft uses the business plans of drug dealers".
Re:Misleading title... (Score:4, Insightful)
You can say whatever you like about Linux, and there's not a lot anyone can do about it.
Re:Misleading title... (Score:5, Funny)
Which would be freedom, as in, ummmm, speech.
Go figure.
KFG
Re:Misleading title... (Score:5, Insightful)
The GPL may promote a number of freedoms (at the expense of some others), but freedom-of-speech, in this context (that is, speech <I>about</I> the software, rather than speech <I>containing</I> the software), is pretty much orthoganal to it.
Re:Misleading title... (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course there are. Try actually applying one to a property that is distributed freely and you'll find the orthoganality you suggest pretty much vanishes. Slander of title and like property torts only apply where direct economic harm is the result. I can call your house ugly 24/7 and there is no slander. If I say it has termites, there may be, because it reduces the salability of the house.
Not one single penny has ever been asked or received for the millio
Trade Libel (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, that's not true. Because a lot of companies sell Linux, and rely on its good reputation to make sales, you can be sued for Trade Libel (Lanham Act) if you make blatantly false statements about Linux in an attempt to drive potential customers away. Case(s) in point: Red Hat v The SCO Group, and the IBM countersuit.
In fact, the biggest difference is that if you badmouth MSWindows, only MS really has standing
MS actually DID sue! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Misleading title... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, opening the PDF document I see:
To the Honorable Judge of Law of Law from the Criminal Court of the District of Barueri, State of Sao Paulo.
blah blah blah...
"drug dealer practice" offends the most crucial foundations of the rules typifying the felony of defamation, provided at article 21 of the Federal Statute 525-/67
blah blah blah...
Plaintiff demands that the Defendant
blah blah blah...
I dunno, looks like they are suing to me. Actually the "felony" part makes it look more like a criminal charges than a lawsuit, but I don't know Brazilian law.
They then go on to a list of questions they are demanding that defendant to answer. To summarize, "Please explain how Microsoft is like a drug dealer!" Oh, the answers are gonna be a real treat! Be sure to tune in tomorrow kids! Same bat-time! Same bat-channel!
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Re:Misleading title... (Score:4, Insightful)
I.e. "threatening to fire somebody" is illegal in the EU. You may just do it or leave it, but it is explicit illegal to put it under any condition..
Re:Misleading title... (Score:2)
Re:Misleading title... (Score:2)
I.e. "threatening to fire somebody" is illegal in the EU. You may just do it or leave it, but it is explicit illegal to put it under any condition..
Do you have a source for that? I was under the impression that it was actually hard to fire somebody _without_ threatening them first (e.g., issuing a warning phrased like "if you do this again we'll fire you" or similar) under EU regulations.
Re:Misleading title... (Score:4, Insightful)
Official Sergio Amadeu Answer (Score:5, Informative)
Hi,
I had translated the official answer of Sergio Amadeu to the press regarding this issue. While there is no proccess, Amadeu received an offical judicial notification asking for an apologize in 48 hours. The original note [cipsga.org.br] is on the site of the CIPSGA, a local NGO commited to free software. There are other related news on CIPSGA site [cipsga.org.br] as well, including a microsoft answer [cipsga.org.br] (I will not loose my time translating that - use the fish [altavista.com]).
Notice to the Press- Sérgio Amadeu
In attention to the national and international press demand, which supports the brazillian government in this moment without precedent in History, in which the director of an important puclic institution in this country sufferes personally the action of those interested in keeping an hegemonic model, write, after hearing my lawyers, state that the justice act enacted against me is, in itself, so unexpected and outrageous, that it doesn't deserve an answer.
On the other hand, I'd like to state that the contraction of software preserving the values of freedom and opennes fis, for the Brazilan Governent, a question linked to the very core of the democratic principles. And why a long and painfull path has passed for we to get at the current status of democraticy on this Country, we shall stand firm in our fight.
If democracy is a value filled with ideologies, it is never an insgnificant factor. If democracy is a dream, it is a dream from which this Country will nerver wake again.
The future is free.
SÉRGIO AMADEU DA SILVEIRA
Diretor-Presidente
Instituto Nacional de Tecnologia da Informação
Right on (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Right on (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Right on (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Right on (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Right on (Score:3, Interesting)
"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay for the software," he said. "Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
from:
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-212942.html?legac y =c net
I've read that it was also quoted in Fort
Re:Right on (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, but we tend anthropomorpihize OSes. For example, Tux, the BSD daemon, clippy, that little XP doggie, ad nauseum, have very human qualities.
I say, these entities deserve every bit as much protection as any human, because attacking them results in the same hurt feelings by OS users as the family of a defamed human would feel.
I saw an episode of Iron Chef recently where the translated captions called it the "Piglet Battle", but the anno
Question 6 (Score:5, Insightful)
It looks to me as though the only real question MS can expect a favourable ruling on is question 6: 'Is there any logical connection and/or intention from the Defendant in tipifying (sic) the behavior of the Plaintiff as "drug dealer practice" with the subsequent expression made in the interview of "fear strategy"? '
Pretty much all of the other "questions" have fairly easy-to-respond to answers which will reflect badly on MS business practices, ie: the low-cost-of-entry and high-cost-of-maintenance, buy in haste, repent at leisure type. I don't think there's any relationship between this overall strategy and the FUD one though, they're just 2 distinct dodgy business practices that MS use [grin]
Simon.
Re:Question 6 (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Question 6 (Score:2)
Re:Question 6 (Score:4, Interesting)
Microsoft tries very hard to get product lock-in at a customer, then extracts more money than the initial purchase appears to be.
GNU offers choice, Microsoft locks its serfs in (Score:5, Informative)
You are absolutely right, and here is the key difference between GNU and Microsoft:
With Microsoft, you have customer lock-in that actively discourages and often prevents a customer from chosing another system they would otherwise prefer. Evidence of this abounds in virtually every medium one might consider, from the opinion pages of Chicago newspapers to court filings in assorted lawsuits against Microsoft brought by companies and governments large and small, to the pages of the World Wide Web. Customer lock-in is real, destructive, and most importantly to a democratic government: non-democratic (ie choice is removed).
GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, and other free software do not lock anyone in. Indeed, many free applications have been ported to Microsoft's inferior platform because people wanted to run the software and needed to keep running windows (quite probably due to customer lock-in).
The difference? With GNU/Linux you have the choice, even the choice to chose bondage to a large American corporate entity (read: run Windows). With Microsoft, you have no such choice: you are locked quite firmly in regardless of your other desires...with the only possible way out to dump Microsoft products completely.
The wisdom of such a choice is incontravertable, whether one is considering software quality, security, stability, or freedom, but that doesn't mean one has the ability to make such a choice, of one's data is already beholden to the behemoth. Even more so, now that Microsoft appears to be taking the $CO path more directly these days ("no customer, and especially no ex-customer, is safe").
Re:GNU offers choice, Microsoft locks its serfs in (Score:3, Informative)
The Google Zeitgeist [google.com] for May has Windows XP with a 50% share, which has been growing the a rate of about 1% per month. Linux's 1% share of the Google "market" never changes. There is simply no evidence that average users are migrating from Windows in numbers that are statistically significant.
"The first one is free" (Score:5, Insightful)
Code-name (Score:5, Funny)
P.S.
Maybe Brazil will even fix the broken law.
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Re:Code-name (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously, this seems like a great way to piss off the southern hemisphere. And while we're at it, let's throw some diesel on the fire! Duh. "Let's see if we can rile 'em up a little bit. He's pissed off now alright, Crikey!".
Dah Fuhrer doesn't let you switch to Linux and then talk about why it's so much better? Are your paperz not in orrderr?
I suppose Microsoft is against free speech as well as software now? You should buy a shrink-wrapped l
Possibly the WORST response? (Score:5, Informative)
To be fair, I don't think MS could win this particular battle - almost any business would be willing to deep discount (or offer for free) the first wave of their product to land a long term contract...
Re:Possibly the WORST response? (Score:5, Funny)
As SCO have taught us - if they're customers or potential customers, the best business practice is to sue them. I think the logic is that if they're too scared to speak out about you, then that's one step towards buying product from you. isn't it?
1. Sue customers.
2. ???
3. Profit.
Re:Possibly the WORST response? (Score:2, Funny)
1. Sue customers.
2. Make it known you can't win lawsuits.
3. Short your own stock.
4. Profit.
But that sounds like a pump & dump scheme, which I seem to recall hearing is illegal, and no company would EVER think of breaking the law in the name of profit....
Interesting complaint... (Score:5, Insightful)
Strange that they didn't argue it was untrue.
Re:Interesting complaint... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Interesting complaint... (Score:5, Interesting)
It's hardly unreasonable or untrue (though it might well be damaging) and would be entirely legal under US law.
So.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So.... (Score:2)
Re:So.... (Score:2)
I guess I'm saying these things in a public forum, and am in the position to influence the buying decisions of thousands (hey wait...people who read /. make buying decisions [& based on /. comments]?...ummm).
In the USA, the Truth (used to) set you free (Score:5, Informative)
If you are in the United States you are safe (not from being sued, but from losing). Truth is an absolute defense, regardless of how damaging it may be. And every word you wrote is true.
Caveate: the truth used to set you free, pre-Bush/Chaney/Rumsfeld/Rice. These days, all bets are off, domestic or foreign.
Re:So.... (Score:3, Insightful)
I recommend against that!!!
You don't want to make the mafia look bad.
Accidents happen to those that make 'The Family' look bad. Look, I like you, and might be in a position to talk to those that may have been offended by your indiscretion.
I will go out on a limb for you.
There will come a time that I will ask you to go out on a limb for me. I trust that the favor will be returned in kind at that time. Look you are smart, but sometimes you need t
Text of the complaint (Score:5, Informative)
The Complaint
PINHEIRO NETO LAW FIRM
To the Honorable Judge of Law from the Criminal Court of the District of Barueri, State of
Sao Paulo.
MICROSOFT INFORMATICA LTDA, a company duly incorporated and existing
according to the laws of Brazil, with its headquarters at the City of Sao Paulo, at Avenida das
Nacoes Unidas 12901, Torre Norte, 27 th floor, enrolled under the taxpayers list under
number 60.316.817/ 0001-03, by means of its legal representative (Document number 01) and
undersigned lawyers, respectfully files before this court and against SERGIO AMADEU
DA SILVEIRA, Brazilian citizen, President of the National Institute of Information
Technology (ITI), with headquarters at SCN Quadra 04 Bloco B Pétala D, room 1102,
Edificio Centro Empresarial Varig, CEP 70710-500, Brasilia, DF, the following
DEMAND FOR EXPLANATION
on the grounds of Article 25 of the Federal Statute 5,250 of February 1967 -"The Press
Law", for the reasons and motives explained below:
I-On the exclusive jurisdiction of this Honorable Court to Receive, Process and Decide the
Present Demand for Explanation
1. Under the express provisions of article 42 of the Press Law, which is mandatory, the
jurisdiction to receive, process and decide the Demand for Explanation is that of the place
where the newspaper or periodical, in this case, the place where the magazine Carta Capital,
was printed. Said magazine published the article which the Plaintiff deems as incriminated.
See below:
Article 42 Ð "The place of the violation, for determining Territorial Jurisdiction, will
be that where the newspaper or the periodical was printed, and that of the place where
the studio of the permitted or conceded radio station is located, as well as the main
place of business of the news agency.
Sole Paragraph Ð Press Crimes are subject to the provisions of article 85 of the
Criminal Procedure Code.
2. The precedents of our Courts are uncontroversial in ratifying the provisions of the Especial
Law, according to the following decisions listed in the law reviews: JUTACRIM 68/ 181; 67/
225; 78/ 412; RT 555/ 343; 559/ 379; 556/ 315; 578/ 361; 656/ 269; 603/ 365 etc.
3. According to the administrative information of the abovementioned magazine, it is printed
at Avenida Marcos Penteado Ulhoa Rodrigues, 700, Santana de Parnaiba/ SP, Plural Editora e 1
1 Page 2 3
Grafica, in the district of Barueri.
4. For this reason, this Court must process and decide the present Demand for Explanation.
II -On the Facts
5. On March 17, 2004, the Magazine Carta Capital published under the title "The Penguin
Advances" a jornalistic article about the growing of private companies which would start to
adopt free software, and about the intention of the federal government to launch an
advertising campaign in favor of this type of software.
6. In this jornalistic article, Mr. Sergio Amadeu, Defendant herein, in the exercise of his
public duties of President of the National Institute of Information Technology (ITI), aiming at
disseminating free software among Ministries, State owned companies and governmental
bodies, made aggressive declarations lacking any kind of technical foundation about the use
of the software developed by Microsoft, Plaintiff herein.
III. On the References and Comments made to the Plaintiff company by the Defendant, from
which one can infer Defamation
7. With purposes still to be clarified, the Defendant, at the condition of President of ITI, gave
an intervitew to the magazine Carta Capital, in which he makes reference and imputations of
offensive nature to the Plaintiff, using phrases and expressions from which defamation is
inferred, under the terms of the article 21 of Statute 5.250/ 67, as fo
Re:Text of the complaint (Score:3, Insightful)
5-What does the expression proferred by the Defendant "strategy of fear, uncertainty, and doubt" referred in the article mean?
Microsoft asking what's FUD ? Priceless !
PDF is a public frormat (Score:3, Informative)
No it's not! Adobe has deliberately made PDF a public format; they freely distribute the specs [adobe.com] and encourage others to support the format. Finding (e.g.) xpdf [foolabs.com] is not a bit problematic - there's barely a Linux vendor out there who doesn't ship it. Even The Open Group (the guys who own the UNIX(tm) trademark) have an xpdf page [opengroup.org]. Getting it to run on your platform might be probl
who's next? (Score:4, Informative)
Now with Microsoft they have waged 'war' with china, the EU, netherlands, Canada, and who's next?
A google news search [google.com] turns up over 120 people / companies Microsoft has sued.
So who's next, It may even be you! if the RIAA can do it why not our beloved M$
A Clarification (Score:5, Informative)
In this inadvertently hilarious google translation [google.com] Microsoft Brazil says they were only asking for an explaination and were misreported. First noted by Alistair Burt [lessig.org] on the Lessig blog [lessig.org].
Clarification == first step in prosecution (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Clarification == first step in prosecution (Score:2)
To quote from the translation:
They're putting a nice spin for us on a definite threat to Sergio Amadeu. This is odd, considering the kinds of things they've been screaming at the Brazilian government lately.
No, not at all like drug dealing (Score:5, Insightful)
- give away a product
- build a dependancy
- begin charging for the product
- introduce new "stronger" product
Q) How is that like anything Microsoft has ever done?
A) Microsoft has never cut their product with corn starch (that we know of).
Re:No, not at all like drug dealing (Score:4, Funny)
But there's an awful lot of integration with .NET and DirectX. Does that count?
Re:No, not at all like drug dealing (Score:2)
Stallman will be upset.... (Score:5, Interesting)
"In order to avoid that someone would appropriate the improvements to make a closed version, Torvalds has created a special use license that forbids the original code or any subsequent modification made upon it to be closed"
Re:Stallman will be upset.... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Stallman will be upset.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Truth is an absolute defense (Score:5, Insightful)
Cheers,
Kyle
Freedom of speech vs. difamation (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Freedom of speech vs. difamation (Score:3, Informative)
In some ways, yes.
But the FSFE (Free Software Foundation Europe) claim that the BSA (Business software Alliance) (aka Microsoft's hitmen) asked [item 6] [fsfeurope.org] the FSFE for help to combat the Italian governments latest crazily stringent proposed copyright laws (which require formal permission from the government before copying anything in digital form even if one has a "copyright" license or even if one holds the "copyright"--from what I can tell).
thought crime? (Score:5, Insightful)
That doesn't sound any alarms with anyone else? Are they trying to say this is literally a *thought crime*?
Holy crap.
This is another marketing scheme by Microsoft. (Score:4, Interesting)
This is another marketing scheme by Microsoft employees to get Microsoft in the news and on Slashdot.
I certainly would never have known that a government official in Brazil compared Microsoft marketing people to "drug-dealers", if it weren't repeated in the quiet privacy of a Slashdot story.
Without a lawsuit, most Brazilians would never have heard what the official said. Now millions of Brazilians will know. What will be their reaction? Consider this. Less than two months after the September 11, 2001 bombing of the World Trade Center, at the costume parties celebrating the Brazilian equivalent of Halloween, many Brazilians came as Osama bin Laden [theglobeandmail.com]. Brazilians and people from other countries [hauntedbay.com] think that the U.S. government is arrogant and out of control. Since 3 movies and 35 books published in the U.S. say this too [futurepower.org], it can be said that the feeling is strong. Microsoft's legal action will be seen as more arrogance from the United States, probably.
My guess is that it is likely that this new move by Microsoft will only help sell Bill Gates Halloween masks. It certainly won't help sell Microsoft products.
Re:This is another marketing scheme by Microsoft. (Score:2)
I know what you clicked on last summer?
Obviously (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Interesting)
It's not. A few years ago, Ruy Castro, a Brazilian writer, wrote a biography on Garrincha, a popular soccer player who died in 1983. In the book, based on interviews with Garrincha's former wives and girlfriends, he stated that Garrincha had a 28 cm long penis. Garrincha's daughters sued to stop the book from being published. In the end it was published, not based on any right to freedom of speech, but because the judge considered that stating that someone ha
Defamation is law in many countries (Score:5, Interesting)
Funny thing about defamation law. You don't have to prove that you're reputation has been damaged. It is accepted that this is almost impossible to reliably prove (it isn't like Slashdot Karma). Hence the law assumes that, because you've gone to court over it, your reputation must have been damaged. Also plaintiffs do not have to pay defendant's legal bills in most countries, hence defamation is a good way for rich plaintiffs to get the little guy, because the little guy, even if what he said was true, will still have to pay sizable legal bills.
Same reason as for SCO defeat in Germany (Score:5, Informative)
I wouldn't say that there is no right to free speech altogether - generally, in democratic countries outside the US, generally you can advocate any kind of political ideas, but there are limitations for factual claims about concrete people and companies. (In the US, you can sue for damage compensation afterwards, as well, but in many countries, you can ban claims to stop the damage).
I think it is difficult to say what is better, both kinds of regulations have their advantages and disadvantages. Of course, any limitation of freedom of speech is regrettable, but on the other hand, it can also be important to have the possibility to stop unfair practises that consist in spreading unsubstanciated claims to harm competitors. A good example is SCO: In Germany, they are not allowed to spread allegations about the alleged copyright and licence infringement of Linux because they could not show anything to substanciate them, they had to remove these claims from their German website.
Freedom of thought ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Amadeu's response... (Score:5, Informative)
"Sergio Amadeu, himself, have posted a short note about Microsoft's move. It's in portuguese, of course, but here is the translation into english:
'In special response to national and international enquiries from the press, that have been supportive with the brazilian government in this unprecedented moment in which the president of an important public institution in this country suffers personally the action of those interested in keeping an hegemonic model, I come forward, after listening to my lawyers and federal solicitors, to say that the judicial provocation imposed against me is, by its own, so unusual and improper that it does not deserve any answer.
In the other hand, I'd like to register that the purchase of software that preserves the values of openness and freedom is, for the brazilian government, a subject unavoidably connected to the democratic principle. And for it have been a long and painful path to reach our current democratic developmental stage in this country, we will not walk out our fight.
If democracy is a value full of ideology, it will never be an insignificant value. If democracy is a dream, it's the one dream this country will never wake up from.
The future is free.
Thanks you all for the support. '
"an excess in freedom of speech and ... thought" (Score:5, Interesting)
Holy context Batman. I love how the submitter is so blatantly trying to get everyone riled up with that quote (oh no, thought crime!), when in fact that quote is actually just a direct translation of Article 12 of the Brazilian Press Law. (Microsoft is directly quoting the law when they use it in the complaint).
The Filing is Revealing of Microsoft's Mentality (Score:4, Insightful)
So, the fact that brazilian law has written into it the notion of thought crimes means Microsoft's attempt to apply the definition of thought crime to its critics in a court of law an effort to declare their critics' spoken thoughts crimes doesn't represent Microsoft's stance on the issue?
Come on, spare us the Microsoft spin. Those who exploit and enforce unjust laws are no less unjust or evil themselves simply because the law itself exists and is on the books. Just ask anyone who spent the time as the wrong ethnicity at the wrong time in Iran, Iraq, Cambodia, Serbia, Spain, France, Germany, the United States, or several dozen other places.
The filing is in fact very revealing of Microsoft's mentality on the matter
This, irrespective of the truth of the assertions being made, that their ploy does indeed bear remarkable similiarity to the marketing methods of the drug cartels.
On a related note (Score:2, Funny)
They clearly sued the wrong person (Score:5, Informative)
Fear the drug dealers (Score:4, Funny)
Downhill of Windows since Bill left? (Score:4, Interesting)
I guess what I am trying to say, is has anyone else noticed this as well? After the CEO switch Microsoft decided to start dumping on its customers and users in a way previously unheard of in the software industry. With Microsoft allegedly funding SCO and now this, it makes me wonder what is going on behind the curtains of Microsoft. Bill was a cool guy on a personal level. A great coder, even if he has some sneaky buisness practices. But I could never -ever- see him stooping the these recent lows.
using an analogy is illegal? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm from Brazil and... (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft complains with piracy to make us Windows dependent, the price of a OEM copy of Windows costs more than most of the people here uses to live for one month.
For us doesn't make any sense to pay for a OEM copy witch we will not have assistance, and almost all "normal"(non-geek) will need to pay for assistance when a virus infect windows, most of them pays for geek neighbours to reinstall a copy of pirated windows when this happens.
Of course in companies in Brazil most windows copies aren't pirated, this is the market they wants, companies and government computers.
But i'm quite happy that now we have a law here that says that open source will be always the first choice in govern departments, this is making the Microsoft President of Brazil going crazy, all declarations i've seen from him sens desperate actions.
I'm using Linux for 1 year, i still have winXP but for 8 months i didn't used it for more than 1 hour for week, i feel nice to stopped using pirated software, when people here understand that piracy isn't normal things will be better. Government actions to make Microsoft stop to learn our people to use pirated copies would be nice too.
Sorry my bad english, aspell doesn't work for everything
Re:I'm from Brazil and... (Score:4, Interesting)
Petition (Score:4, Informative)
wow (Score:5, Insightful)
or getting sued over pointing out the truth.
wait, yes I did, that's right everyone sues someone else to hush them up or to ruin their life or to a little more cash here and there..
the man in brazil is correct bout m$, they are like a drug dealer, they spread their product, and lock in customers, and stifle all competition and innovation using unfair and illegal methods.
In this case, innovation could be compared to someone cleaning up a community, which would be a hazard for a drug dealer, so the drug dealer gets friends to kill who ever tries to make the area better and make it work for them again, so their business model isnt threatened,such as how manycompanies and linux try to make innovations and bette ralternatives to windows, microsoft goes at the mand makest he market hostile for them and plays unfair because they believe they shouldnt have competition.
Unfair and illegal methods could be compared to dealer killing off anyone who sells another kind of drug, in "their territory" or those who dare offer a way for people to stop using a drug the dealer sells.
(such as them using lies and propagnda, lawsuits, slander, copyrights, etc to attack linux and all opposing forces.)
So the man is correct, and he could so use that in court, too bad he doesnt read
but I imagine him and his attornies already thought of how to back that.
But he is correct, and he pointed out ag ood anology that describes microsoft. and it pisses them off because it's going to threaten their dominance and status among another 3rd world nation that they want to con for all its worth.
MSFT would have a much better case if... (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps it is time for the Linux community to sue (Score:4, Interesting)
Microsoft denies libel suit? (Score:4, Informative)
- It gave in the Land: Microsoft clarifies asked for of explanation the director of the ITI
Now we need to hear what Amadeu has to say.Editoria: Governments
18/Jun/2004 - 09:44
The Microsoft emitted a note today where he clarifies the episode of the explanation order that the company made Sergio Amadeu of the Silveira, president of the National Institute of Technology of Information (ITI). In interview to the magazine Capital Letter in the March month, Amadeu said that the company used "tactics of the gratuitous dealers" when supplying softwares programs of digital inclusion, what it would be a way to accustom the users.
The explanation order generated rumors of that the Microsoft would be processing managing of the ITI. It reads to follow the complete one of the note of the Microsoft, signed for Rinaldo Zangirolami, General Director of Legal and Corporative Subjects of the Microsoft Brazil:
Note of clarification
"we are not processing nobody, and the order of explanations is not related to a personal question.
The Microsoft continues engaged with a respectful and opened dialogue with the government, customers and the industry to address the necessities of the Brazilian economy and the community.
The Microsoft is present in the country has 14 years more than. Our commitment with the country is of long stated period. By means of ours 10,000 partners, 45,000 jobs are generated in Brazil and more than R$ 1 billion is collected in taxes annually.
Rinaldo General Managing Zangirolami of Legal and Corporative Subjects Microsoft Brazil"
Source: Land Computer science
Muzzles (Score:5, Insightful)
June 19th rings a bell (Score:3, Insightful)
No one would wish for Brazilian politicians to resort to firing squads (where an army of penguins -and lawyers- [tipatat.com] will do), but this strange coincidence should serve as a surefire warning for emperors [cc.jyu.fi] of any kind not to defy their companies' destiny by forcing products and business models down someone's throat where entire countries reject them:
"You're not welcome here" is a message loud and clear...
A modest proposal for dealing with Microsoft (Score:3, Interesting)
One potential answer, as China and others are pursuing, is complete dissociation from Windows software. Even so, that process is hindered by Microsoft's wanton economic power, and, as the case of Amadeu today points up, breaking up is hard to do when one is stalked by a jilted billionaire.
No: the answer is obvious. Nations seeking freedom from Microsoft should classify it as an enemy combatant.
Let us not be heard to use the "T" word; there's no need for exaggerration. As a monopolist enjoying state sanction, Microsoft is closer in its modus operandi to the closed-market model of communism than to the religious and ethnically-motivated jarring violence of terrorism. Its goal is not destabilization but the reverse: entrenchment of its interests at the expense of society and governments. Whereas terrorists seek to spread panic and fear, Microsoft seeks to retrofit the old Soviet model to the 21st century, attaching the suction pods of hopelessness and stasis through total, umbilical dependence. In that sense it and terrorism both contravene the striving, evolutionary essence of capitalism. Both raise their middle finger at freedom.
Declaring Microsoft an enemy combatant would have multiple benefits. As a baseline, the corporation would be stripped of all legal rights, including manufacture, distribution, marketing and, of course, speech, assembly, and due process. Economic gains would be realized swiftly through massive competitive opportunities, while under-capitalized island resort real estate markets would rapidly absorb displaced Microsoft millionaires; certain senior Microsoft executives might need to be sheltered for a certain period at Guantanamo Bay, but only as a preventative courtesy.
As Americans have learned since 2000 in our exciting transformation into a post-democratic society, rights are a matter of perspective: they begin and end arbitrarily, entirely subject to the whim of leaders. Why should the nations of the world, arrayed against Microsoft in what could be called the War on Error, any longer suffer Redmond to dictate the cost, performance or security of their information systems? Why remain under the thumb when all that is required is a shift in semantic nomenclature?
Amadeu, meanwhile, should be given the Nobel Peace Prize.
Re:FUD (Score:5, Insightful)
That dislike of Microsoft is a product of putting up with years of Microsoft's abuse of their customers, not because everyone suddenly decided that "OS vendors should not have names beginning with M, and everyone in such a class should be destroyed".
Re:Brazil and MS (Score:5, Informative)
Actually he's doing nothing more but saying what Bill G. has said in the past.
Here, [com.com] for example:
Please consider parent for positive moderation (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Seriously, (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe you forget that Marcelo Tosatti, a Brazilian, is the maintainer [kerneltrap.org] of the Linux 2.4 kernel? Linus sure seems to trust his code.
Not exactly worth it (Score:2)
Re:Billy? (Score:2)
Mind you, I suppose many call the spiritual leader of the free-software movement a gnu. Then, he does likes that, and it is actually true (well, at least he is a GNU/Human (cross)--I wonder which parent was the gnu and how they went about...ummm...conceiving him).