Australia To Adopt U.S.-Style Copyright Laws 600
An anonymous reader submits "Australia has just announced that it has finalized a Free Trade Agreement with the United States. Included in the treaty is an agreement for Australia to implement American-style DMCA copyright laws, extensions to the term of copyright, and an agreement to move towards American-style patent and trademark laws (and we all know how well those work, don't we.) I suppose this is the misery-loves-company school of treaty negotiation."
Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Insightful)
One is also led to wonder what good ideas will be lost as testing of creative ways to deal wth modern problems could be in violation of treaties such as this one.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:4, Troll)
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Insightful)
Absolutely correct. That seems to be the overwhelming perception here in Australia. If that was an Australian moderator marking that comment as a troll, you should get away from your computer for a few days and actuallly get outside and start talking to some people. In this country we do not so much vote for an Australian Government to govern us, as vote for a regional outpost of the United States administration who we hope will interpret American interests and policies in our favour.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:You brought it on yourselves. (Score:5, Insightful)
Absolutely fucking hilarious. The Australian posters on this board are all outraged that they're going to be forced to adopt U.S. style copyright laws, and that our government is nothing but a spineless U.S. puppet...and your insinuation is that by adopting more U.S. attitudes and laws, that will somehow make it all better? Maybe we needed to negotiate a free trade agreement on whatever it is that you're smoking right now.
"What?!? You don't like the taste of shit? I know how to fix that! Here's some more shit for you to eat!!"
Re:You brought it on yourselves. (Score:4, Funny)
The U.S. Government has been rounding up guns for years, and the result was the DMCA and everything else. Where they haven't succeeded in actually taking our guns, they've succeeded in making anyone who owns one feel isolated and powerless.
Australia starts outlawing guns, people give them up without a fight, and wham... a couple years later you have a puppet government. Coincidence? I think not!
Re:You brought it on yourselves. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yep. Why, with all the guns in the hands of civilians here in the U.S., the government would never dare pass a law like the DMCA.
Oh, wait...they did.
You sir are wrong. (Score:5, Interesting)
Speaking as an Australian I can say that Australia is more accurately America's doormat.
Take for example this trade agreement. Australia could hardly get anything on agriculture, one of its biggest export areas and one where America's trade barriers really hurt. And yet we are still planning to sign it as a good deal. Personally I'm trying to work out how exactly this trade deal is going to help us at all. The farmers hate it and claim it sells out the farming industry (actually it's more like the status quo hasn't really changed ie. the deal gives almost zero benefits to farmers). The unions hate it and claims it sells out the manufacturing industry. The actors and TV producers hate it and claims it sells out the Australia movie and TV industry. The doctors are just relieved because they thought it could have been much worse (they thought PBS would be dismantled or crippled - it's still not clear whether it will be or not so the doctors are still worried). There are some vague rumblings of support from manufacturers but it seems more like some will benefit and some will be hit badly so it's a toss up whether manufacturing as a whole will benefit. Trust me, we're a doormat.
I mean geez, Howard, if you're going to send troops to Iraq to support an unpopular war, couldn't you at least get some financial benefit from it? And I thought he was a smart political operative. I guess his love of Bush (trust me even conservative Murdoch-owned newspapers here put in cartoons showing Howard worshipping Bush in bed) over-road his political smarts.
Re:You sir are wrong. (Score:5, Insightful)
Pisses me off too.
Its selective freetrade towards campaign contributors and its corruption to its core. Same is true with your government. Famers probably gave less to a conservative PM candidate and those who are in manufactoring and IP gave towards Murdochs campaign. They will hapilly now outsource your jobs away. But American farmers vote like you would not beleive and want high prices for American farming products via tarrifs so they can make more money.
Re:You sir are wrong. (Score:4, Funny)
There is a reason behind this though. When World War III kicks off, you'll be glad of the locally grown food. "Yes, we have no bananas" as the song said.
Re:You sir are wrong. (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, it is so much easier to cry into your Fosters.
Re:You sir are wrong. (Score:5, Interesting)
What do you the the chances are that even one thousand people would protest IP harmoniZation?
Probably we will see a media release from EFA, but they are the "ultimate doctrinaire libertarians" [aph.gov.au] and not a word they say should be believed. (I'm quoting the former communications minister).
BTW, it's VB / MB / XXXX not fosters. :-)
Re:You sir are wrong. (Score:5, Interesting)
During the lead up to the war, it was assumed by a lot of Australians that part of Howard's eagerness to get involved was due to an expectation of being rewarded with favourable terms in the upcoming trade agreement. I don't think he ever admitted that this was a motive, though.
What he did say quite explicitly, however, was that we needed to get involved in the Iraq invasion and occupation to show support to the USA in return for access to US intelligence data in the future. Is US intelligence data worth anything at all? Sometimes it amazes me how blatantly wrong and stupid our leaders can be, and how much of it we are willing to tolerate. Australians just don't seem to give shit.
The not yet ratified agreement. (Score:4, Informative)
For Australia, the agreement includes:
- Immediate access to US markets for all manufactured goods and services;
- Elimination of tariffs on exports to the US of wheat, other cereal crops and minerals;
- Almost all tariffs to be removed from manufactured exports and the automotive industry;
- Sixty-six per cent of agriculture tariffs to go;
- The right to maintain local content rules in broadcasting and film;
- Maintenance of the hotly contested Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, although a committee will continue dialogue on health policy.
The United States will:It does appear there have been additional concessions made by Howard that are not being made known to the Australian public. It is only through the American spokepeople that we are aware of these concessions at all.
It has not yet been ratified by parliament, and the opposition is promising to block it in the Senate in it's current form.
We will see...
Q.
Re:You sir are wrong. (Score:5, Funny)
Columbia?
You never hear them complaining about access to markets and free trade barriers.
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Re:Offtopic: Shocking lack of financial benefits (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Offtopic: Shocking lack of financial benefits (Score:5, Insightful)
No, you are right, we should do it because it is the right thing to do. So, when does the war against Bush begin?
Joking aside, most of the people who criticize Bush and the war are making just your point, though you seem to have missed it: We belive they started the war for their own financial benifit, not because of the goodness of their hearts. After all, they don't mind vicious dictators anywhere else.
Howard: children overboard scandal (Score:5, Informative)
I seem to remember him admitting that the reason Australia was going to war was to help America. Helping the Iraqi people was never an issue. The Free Trade agreement was an issue that was repeatedly brought up by politicians and the media as well as the need for American military protection. Considering this he is stupid to send troops to war without guaranteeing economic and military benefits for Australia. He really is Bush's doormat.
To add (Score:4, Informative)
Anyone in Australia during the last election would remember the demonisation of Iraqi refugees. Man, they were a threat to the country! Evil, I tell you, the sort of people who would throw their own children overboard these Iraqis fleeing from Saddam Hussein. They are not the sort of people we want in this country. If we don't stop them now, they'd all come here and ruin this fine country of ours Australia. Only the Howard government can stop this. The opposition would let all these *Iraqis* come in. This won Howard the election (he was trailing in the polls before he started this line).
After listening to Howard demonise Iraqi refugees for years, not even the most fervant Howard fanboy would believe that he went to Iraq to help the Iraqi people. Especially since the demonisation still continues to this day. In fact his core base would probably turn against him if he started expressing too much concern for Iraqis. Talkback radio (ie. Alan Jones and John Laws) would kill him.
Re:Howard: children overboard scandal (Score:5, Insightful)
Then he should renounce his Australian citizenship, go to the US and apply to become a US citizen. Who in their right mind wants a "leader" who's first loyalty is to a foreign country? This used to be considered to be "high treason", which might even still be a capitol crime in Australia.
The Free Trade agreement was an issue that was repeatedly brought up by politicians and the media as well as the need for American military protection.
What military threat is Australia facing which is beyond the ability of the Australian military to cope with?
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Informative)
It's been happening for a while. The US had some perfectly reasonable copyright laws up until 1976, when we changed our laws so we could join the Berne convention. We changed our laws to "harmonize" with Europe. And then in 1995, Europe extended their laws from life+50 to life+70, and shortly thereafter [1996], the US extended its laws to match.
It's a crap trick that political and corporations play. Pass a law in one area, and then force other areas to pass similar laws to "harmonize". It's why other contries are getting their own versions of the DMCA
Do I even have to ask why instead of Australia extending their copyrights (they were/are a life+50 nation), the US doesn't scale back US laws to match Australia's?
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:3, Interesting)
Do I even have to ask why instead of Australia extending their copyrights (they were/are a life+50 nation), the US doesn't scale back US laws to match Australia's?
Rule one of globalisation (ie being dictated to by the US) - the country with the most enlightened position will take it up the arse.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Interesting)
You see, we techno-IP geeks (which we kind-of are) realize The Corporations are using the WIPO/WTO to shaft us -- Australia is just the most recent nation to fall victim -- these OTHERS are aware of their own areas. Artists talk about National Culture (arts, public broadcasting, museams, film production), people like Jose Bove [corpwatch.org] talks about regional farming, farmers, land, food supply/quality, Maude Barlow and The Council Of Canadians [canadians.org] speak about national soverignty, GM Biotech, etc etc etc.
What is happening is that Corporations are subverting social structures. In every facet of our culture, in every way, profit-driven organizations -- with incredible power, will and ability -- are un-democratically ruling.
In Feudal Europe, land-owners ruled. Peasants were lucky to have a 'job' where they were essentially powerless slaves, removed from decion making in their collective lives. Democratic Revolutions -- who's roots were in Ancient philosophies -- solved some of their problems, enabling the masses to exercise their will. Basically, one person, one vote. This was a 'better idea'. Then, in the late 18th century, some people began to see Democracy wasnt enough. Democratic control of the economy was necessary to remove the hammer and influence of wealth on society. Communist revolutions started around the world. Common people wanted to not only rule their civil lives but their economic lives via democracy. Many of the Communist Revolutions failed for various reasons... some survive today.
What(i belive) we are seeing right now, is the effective collapse of the Democratic Reovolutions. In the not-so-distant future, our very-own elected governments (already subverted) are going to create law that Over-Rule the rights of the Government to control The Corporations. These organizations will then assert feudal control over their segments of the economy -- nothing can challenge them (except maybe other corporations, but that is another discussion). Disjointed world-governance and the lack of a Powerful United Nations is to their advantage (it allows nations to be pitted against on another (Not joining the race to the bottom == starve more quickly))
Australia's new DMCA-alike laws are the embodiment of a WTO treaty, and not a surprise. Slowly but surely, all law will be removed that isnt 100% pro-corporation and pro-profit. There will be no other law*.
*you and the perpetual abortion debate/pageant does qualify as effective political discourse... dont be fooled by shiney things.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, actually, Australia (and New Zealand) have more open economies than you do.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Insightful)
The U.S. Constitution has also some legal stuff in it most people would vote against if it would affect only other people. The courts in Massachusetts basicly told the people that they don't have the right to forbid gay marriage, because that would be unconstitional. Gay marriage for most americans affects other people, so it's a good thing to them to forbid it. They would think otherwise if it would be about their own children.
So there is a difference between "what the people think" and "what the people think about other people". Keep that in mind.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:4, Insightful)
Really? Then why were WE in the exact same position as Autralia just a few years ago? It was the US "harmonizing" to life+70 with the Sonny Bono copyright extention act.
If we're the "experts" and "everyone else failed" and "our economy is by far the most liberal" then why should the US have broken from the "standard life+50" and copy the the minority of amature failed less-liberal countries that increased their term to life+70?
Obviously you're going to want consistency. That could genuinely be the only motivation here.
The only thing "consistant" is repeated and chaotic copyright extenions. If there was any sort of recent "standard" it was the Bern Convention which extended terms to the ludicrous term of life+50. Hardly any countries had such a long term when Bern appeared. Yet the US and most of Europe and other countries increased their durations to life+50. After Bern, the only valid argument for consistancy would be for the most common term, life+50. Then a few countries started trickling up to life+70 - France in 1997, UK in 2001. The EU "harmonized" to life+70, the US "harmonized to the EU in 1998, and not Autrailia "harmonizing" to the US.
Everyone changing (increasing) terms is anything but consistancy.
Yes there are benefits to conformity, but that argument is merely being used as a sock-puppet by those who simply want to maximize copyright everywhere and in every way they can.
Copyright is a good thing, but attempting to "maximize" it distorts and perverts it into a harmful thing. The US constitution requires copyrights to expire, and for good reason. Copyright are supposed to expire, expiration is a good thing.
If anyone thinks expiration isn't a good thing then the only valid argument would be for eliminating expiration, NOT extentions. Property rights don't expire, period. If copyright really is "intellectual property" then those rights should never expire.
The DMCA is an abomination, but too involved to get into here. And inventing DMCA protections in one country and then blackmailing other countries into adopting it is anything but "consistancy".
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>Pass a law in one area, and then force other areas to pass similar laws to "harmonize".
The courts in Massachusetts are trying to legalize gay marriage across the entire country.
Not a very good analogy, and more than a little spin. Chuckle.
Massachusetts court isn't pressuring anyone pass anything. All they can do is strike down local law if they think it violates the US Constitution or Massachusetts Constitution.
For example they could strike down a Massachusetts law prohibiting Whites and Blacks from marrying. They have absolutely no power over Alabama, though one does presume that eventually the difference would be resolved one way or the other. Eventually Massachusetts will discover its error and reverse its local ruling, or eventually an Alamaba court will realize Massachusetts was right and strike down their own law forbiding interracial marriges.
They aren't elected officials, they don't even have to pretend to care what the people think.
Exactly. That is exactly why Supreme Court justices are appointed for life - specificly to make courts IMMUNE to mob rule and oppinions. What rights people have (or do not have) is not a popularity contest.
The courts job is not to care what people think - their job is to enforce the laws of this country. If you don't like a court's ruling you either appeal their "error" to a higher court, or you need to change the law that they are enforcing. In most cases they deal with people violating laws, but in some cases th
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Informative)
It has already happened in many areas. Numerous treaties, including this one [wto.org], have helped make patents cross-border. The EU is a giant cross-border experiment, and systems like NAFTA, NATO, OPEC, and the Arabian and Asian trade pacts, reinforce things even more.
The UK is already experiencing a small form of one world government in terms of the European Union. European Union laws often override the old British ones entirely, particularly in areas relating to human rights. It's not going to be long before something like UN law overrides all others, and if it's like the UK.. we won't like it, but we'll fall over and accept it anyway.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:4, Insightful)
Take for instance healthcare and transport, which are in shambles here and running just fine in the rest of Europe. It's funny how in one article in a paper there is complaint about the fact that "Europe's" (the British talk about Europe as something they are not part of) systems are so much better. Turn over the page and you can read a good whinging on how "we" don't want European laws and regulations (and taxes), the same ones that make public services work that well to begin with!
You can have your cake and eat it to, but the cake comes at a price and that price is that the rich will be less rich and the poor will be less poor. Sounds like a fair deal to me.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, this assumes that other countries even believe that the US's laws are bad, but they just have to take them. As much as you or I might hate the DMCA or Patriot act or something, there are people who *do* like them, in every country, not just the US. I wouldn't put it past other governments to use "america made us do it" as a reason to pass maybe unpopular laws that the legislators actually want.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:5, Insightful)
That geeks only are aware of it when it affects those few IP rules that they care about, is sort of sad.
Re:Beginning of a frightening trend? (Score:3, Insightful)
None of this has been discussed on the radio today. It's all about sugar being left out of the agreement. I work at an IP firm (IANAL,IAACP), but I think the homogenization of national laws also leads to the globalization of protest for legal change, which could be of benefit to countries with weaker lobby groups.
Not through yet (Score:5, Interesting)
This may be 'finalised' but it has got to get through both houses of parliament, and in the run up to a close election, with any luck the Senate (the upper house) will eviscerate the "DMCA by stealth" approach. At least they didn't get to shaft the Australian pharmaceutical scheme, which the US pharmas desperately wanted to do, as it is very cheap and fair.
A link [abc.net.au] to the Australian Broadcasting Council news story on the same item.
Re:Not through yet (Score:5, Informative)
Um ... you might want to note the following from SMH [smh.com.au] today.
Quarantine standards would be downgraded, Americans would be able to circumvent investment rules and American drug companies would get the opportunity to override the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme that provides cheap drugs to Australians, the Greens said.
Re:Not through yet (Score:3, Funny)
The US government pulled a fast one (Score:5, Interesting)
Australia is still mainly an exporter of agricultural goods (including enormous amounts of sugar and beef) and minerals, I live in one of the biggest cities in Australian and the biggest industry is probably tinning pineapples. As a result we'll get the DMCA for virtually no return, and the USA won't get a lot back because even at 10% less US manufactured goods are going to be more expensive than the asian equivalents of similar quality. About all the extra stuff the USA will be able to sell over here is agricultural goods.
Beef industry not so lucky (Score:5, Interesting)
Nope, not quite. From the SMH article [smh.com.au]:
Mr Crombie said even after the long phase-in period, Australian beef farmers would still fail to get free trade with the US.
"After a transition period we had expected that all beef tariffs and quotas would vanish," Mr Crombie said.
"In contrast, under the agreement beef quotas will remain in perpetuity.
"And although all tariffs are eliminated, safeguard provisions are in place.
"These will result in tariffs being reimposed if there is even a minor downward movement in US beef prices - a drop of 6.5 per cent."
So basically, after 18 years we get to sell the US another 70,000 tonnes of beef (equivalent to only two days of US beef production), and the tariffs will be right back where they started if US beef prices drop slightly (so we can't even compete in the market). What exactly does this give us?
My uncle happens to be a significant (Australian) beef producer, and when speaking to him a couple of days ago, he seemed quite optimistic about the FTA. I wonder if he still is today.
Re:The US government pulled a fast one (Score:5, Insightful)
FTA not all it's cracked up to be (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:FTA not all it's cracked up to be (Score:3, Interesting)
Why does New Zealand want one? (Score:4, Insightful)
While America would be a wonderful captive market full of consumers, the trouble is that they are all paying in US Dollars, and due to the fiscal irresponsibility of the US Government, that is nothing but American Debt. You give away your valuable goods and services to America and they pay you back in debt. Their debt, which is now your problem and not theirs, as there isn't an army big enough to force America to make good on their debts.
Bad news indeed (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Bad news indeed (Score:5, Funny)
It'd be a ton of fun to lock a copyright nut like you and an anti-IP nut like Stallman in a room with observation windows and see what happens.
You mean like Rap 'Music'? (Score:3, Interesting)
That's why copyright extensions will eventually be lifted. Not because 'we the people' don't want it.
Because in the end corporations will have restricted their OWN ability to market creativity with flexibility.
Re:A Romeo & Juliet "Happy Ending"? (Score:3, Insightful)
You mean like taking "The Tragicall Historye of Romeus and Juliet", by Arthur Brooke, and rewriting it as a play? It's called adaption, and it's a staple of how literature develops.
changing the ending into a happy one is something that I certainly consider disrespectful
How can it be disrespectful? Despite how they're performed now, Shakespeare's plays were originally done before a crowd of uncultured, common folk, who often talked and called o
Don't think this mean going from good to bad (Score:5, Informative)
Do you think he ever got any of his stuff back? No chance. The police say they no longer have it, but aren't forthcoming about which copyright agency took possession of it. It shits me especially since he was borrowing one of my motherboards and drives at the time. All gone.
That was in 2000. There's no accountability now, I don't see this as making anything worse.
Re:Don't think this mean going from good to bad (Score:5, Interesting)
As I see it (as a lawyer), the key to this problem is that Australia was formed in peacetime by a group of what were essentially businessmen, or at least people mainly concerned with business and commerce. As such there is virtually nothing in our constitution, or our mentality, to protect the individual from the government. It was essentially left to the parliament to do whatever was deemed necessary in these respects - as the ASIO Bill and similar have shown, this is something far too important to be left to politicians.
IMHO, Australia is in a lot more danger than the US of succumbing to the parental state, not 1984 but definitely Brave New World-ish. People here just don't give a shit, and when it comes down to it it is the acquiescence of the general public that allows governments to behave in an authoritarian manner.
It's very depressing.
Re:Don't think this mean going from good to bad (Score:3, Funny)
Your story just doesn't seem right.
DMCA + Anton Pilar order = ??? (Score:3, Interesting)
The Austrailian Constitution? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:The Austrailian Constitution? (Score:5, Interesting)
The gun lobby's insistence on our constitutional right to bear arms is the most amusing. Most of them know we have no such 'constitutional right' in Australia, but they'll still quote it because it sounds good to themselves.
Re:Buzz! Sorry, you're wrong. (Score:3, Interesting)
You are required to attend a polling station on poll day (get your name ticked off the register) and are required to legally dispose of your voting slip. There is no law requiring me to fill in the boxes correctly and place the voting slips in the correct box.
Will you be prosecuting for voting informally? Definitely not, since there's no way they can know.
I have walked into a polling station, grabbed my forms and had my name ticked
Our constitution (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The Austrailian Constitution? (Score:5, Insightful)
As of late, governments are discovering that getting on with their business of the day becomes far easier if things like their Constitution, the rule of law, human rights, additional rights of the people, basic decency, and respect for human dignity are entirely ignored. Thus, men are no longer ruled by ideals or laws, but by the whims of those who happen to be in power at any given time. Luckily, we've become sufficiently advanced, militarily, that the revolutions of old which had always corrected such problems are no longer possible.
Let's hear it for progress, ladies and gentlemen.
Not in the constitution. (Score:3, Interesting)
Interestingly, a lot of things that our laws say you cannot do (such as things covered by the US Betamax case) have never been tested in Australian courts. Is taping a TV illegal? According to the legislation, yes it is. Would the legislation hold up against Common Law? We don't know.
Re:The Austrailian Constitution? (Score:3, Interesting)
More likely is that there will be problems actually implementing the terms of the deal - just signing it has little effect at law in Australia, at best it may make the deal a 'guide' for decision making in the government. To actually have an effect, though, the terms of the treaty must be passed by Parli
Re:The Austrailian Constitution? (Score:5, Informative)
Well actually, we do, technically. Queen Anne's Bill of Rights [yale.edu] of 1689 is still on the books, inherited from English Law. Some quotes:
Oh, you thought the US invented this concept? The "Founding Fathers" had a very flexible definition of Copyright.The Australian Constitution is available on the web [aph.gov.au] (Naturally), and a casual read will show that it's been heavily inspired by the US one of over 100 years earlier. We like to think ours is better, but YMMV.
What about Gutenberg? (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't imagine they will be able to recall public domain items back into copyright, but does this mean an end to the release of additional public domain works for the next 40 years (when current items released under the 50 year term reach the US level of 90 years)?
Re:What about Gutenberg? (Score:5, Interesting)
Why not? They did exactly that here in the USA, stole about 10 year's worth of stuff from the public domain and put it back under copyright.
Fuckers.
Re:What about Gutenberg? (Score:4, Informative)
No, they didn't. In Britain, when they enacted life+70, they returned all stuff that had left life+50 but not life+70 to copyright. In the US, however, copyright extensions have merely extended the length of copyright, not returned anything to the public domain. The latest copyright extension made it 95 years for old books, but all the books that had left copyright - those older than 1923 - stayed out of copyright.
There's one exception, though. At one time, to get US copyright, you had to publish in the US within 30 days, and renew that copyright in 28 years. Failure to do so would lose copyright in the US. The URAA returned copyright to all the foreign books that had lost US copyright or (more common) not got it in the first place.
Re:What about Gutenberg? (Score:3, Interesting)
Section 51xxxi of the constitution [dpmc.gov.au] says
As an Australian citizen, aren't I entitled to 'just terms' (ie. compensation) for those public domain items which the governmet is going to try and steal from me?
Write to your Members of Parlaiment *NOW* (Score:5, Informative)
Addresses here [aph.gov.au]. Don't forget the senate [aph.gov.au] as Greens and Labor together may defeat any required legislation.
Don't be abusive, but explain the problem clearly. Most pollies probably aren't even aware of how dangerous such moves are to Australia's well being.
PLEASE write to your MP/Senators (Score:5, Informative)
Australians are extremely apathetic about politics and most of you probably believe that writing to an MP will have no effect, but I assure you that we read everything that comes in and the Senator reads everything personally too. It only takes a few letters to make a real difference.
They say for each letter written to a newspaper there are 30,000 people with the same opinion who don't bother to write. Don't be one of them.
Focus your letter writing on:
- the Democrats
- the National Party
- the ALP
The government is too tightly controlling of its members for anyone to break ranks, except maybe the nationals. The Democrats are probably the most important players, and the Greens are unlikely to deal on this and the ALP will make a strategic decision.
Why can't anyone get it right? (Score:5, Insightful)
If the world becomes homogeneous we will lose out on the benefits of diversity. Europe became strong because it was so diverse. Once it and the rest of the world is thoroughly homogenized, the world will be a worlthless clump. It will never grow. Competition and diversity breeds success.
Misery? And then some. (Score:4, Interesting)
Not really, it's more of a John Howard Loves George Bush kind of negotiation. Johnny wants to be in the club with Dubya and Tony. So he sent troops, maintains the US had intelligence on WMD, defends Bush and Blair in the press, talks tough on gay marriage ('survival of the species' he says... apparently if gays marry then hetero couples will somehow lose the ability to procreate), etc. Anything the US wants, Howard wants to give them.
He has a bad case of "little man syndrome" and wants to play with the "big boys" really bad.
The opposing party brought in their biggest brashest loud-mouthed battler to face him in the upcoming elections. Of course, once they made him their candidate they said "don't be so loud or brash any more" so he's sort of impotent. It does not bode will for the people here in the land of beer and pokies.
This will be great for the economy! (Score:5, Funny)
Wait a minute! Are we just following the lead of the British? Sending our worst criminals, the dregs of society, to Austrailia?
Don't do it Aussies! It's a trap!
Well, at least Australia will be world leading ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Now it looks like we're set to inherit all the bad stuff from US IP laws.
We'll be leading the world in fucked up IP legeslation. Things are really looking up for Australia's place in the world!
This is completely rediculous. (Score:4, Insightful)
the coming election(s) (Score:5, Funny)
Not another one... (Score:5, Insightful)
And we had to go to war in Iraq for this? (Score:3, Insightful)
Australian IT have article (Score:5, Informative)
Containment (Score:5, Interesting)
Every time the US sneezes they pass their germs on to the rest of the world. Not that the US doesn't have its moments in the sun, but in Canada we see this happening far too often - US passes Law X so we must do the same.
The root cause is twofold: US pressure either directly or through unelected world organisations, and the knee jerk reaction of our own politicians.
The US which I personally view as one of the least democratic democracys, is effectively sabotaging democracy in the rest of the world, when it uses its influence to cause laws to be passed in other countries. This is a dangerous game in the long term. Undue influence on the policy in other democratic countries erodes democracy worldwide, and whatever George Bush may think, makes the world a little less safe in the longer term.
I sometimes wish I could boycott politicians like I do the RIAA :)
Re:Containment (Score:4, Interesting)
Um, that would be because the US is NOT a democracy. It is a representative republic.
In a true democracy every person has a vote on every aspect of the way the government is run. In a representative republic you get to elect representatives who make the decisions for you.
In a representative republic you are essentially handing the reigns over to your representative, choose a poor one and you are pretty much stuck until you can get him out and a get a new representative into office. On the other hand a true democracy tends to collapse under its own weight after a few hundred people are a part of it, simply because large groups have problems with coming up with definite decisions.
Who Is Interested in Networking Against This? (Score:5, Interesting)
The whole country could divided into regions, each consisting of 1000 people. That makes around 10,000 regions to cover all letterboxes in the country. We need to find 10,000 Internet connected sympathisers, one living in each region. These people join a mailing list. Material to be dropped is sent to this list (digitally signed for verification). Each person prints 1000 copies at their expense and delivers promptly to all 1000 letterboxes in their region.
The hardest thing will be to agree on the material to be distributed. It should not be extreme, but plainly and simply put forward, in an irrefutable way, that extentions to copyright are not in Australia's interest. Try to keep party politics out of it and keep to the issue.
I don't have the resources or know how to run such a mailing list. Any volunteers (preferably based in Australia)? I'm in Sydney. If lots of people step forward, it will be light work. I don't hae much time, but even if I help get this kick started, by prompting people to come forward, then step away (I'm going to try not to) from it I'll have done my bit.
If interested send mail to copyrightaustralia@yahoo.com [mailto]. Ideally the people who run this will not be into party politics, but will care passionately about copyright, IP and Australia's well being.
Apologies for the typos, but I am trying to get this out early to attract Slashdot's attention.
Re:Who Is Interested in Networking Against This? (Score:5, Interesting)
However, it's important to realise that Australian common law offers built-in protection against a lot of the worst of the DMCA. Common law exists to remove the need for laws to deal with highly-specific information. It's one of the reasons why we don't get the continual barrage of new legislation that the US seems to get to vote on every few weeks.
Common law pretty much equates to "common sense". As an example, AFAIK there have been no prosecutions for illegal recording of TV shows - that's because we acquired certain common law rights when we purchased a VCR and one of those is the ability to use the "record" button.
Australian common law also protects (IIRC) e.g. decompiling code for the purposes of creating interoperability - it's no coincidence that projects such as Samba were started in Australia, as they are legally protected via a common law right to "use something you've purchased in a reasonable manner" (OK, that's oversimplifying, but it's not far from truth).
AFAIK, common law would "trump" any DMCA-like law that was introduced. Common law is enshrined in the Australian Constitution, and that isn't likely to be tweaked to accomodate Johnny-come-lately stuff like DMCAs.
Common law is one of the reasons why there's no overwhelming push for a US-style Bill Of Rights in Australia; many things that would be covered by it are already covered by common law. Any introduction of a Bill Of Rights here would probably only create grey areas that don't currently exist. Although there's very little to actually prevent it, we also don't have governments subjected to massive and well-organised financial lobbying from interest groups (e.g. large companies); such lobbying in the US is primarily driven by a proposed transfer of rights from individuals to those interest groups, and common law protects us as individuals to the point where these lobby groups have no reason to exist here.
Oh, IANAL but I've dated a few... A useful reference on common law is at http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/special/alta/alta95/
Re:Who Is Interested in Networking Against This? (Score:4, Informative)
I think you should go and have a talk to your lawyer friends about some of the misconceptions you have disclosed in your post. You got it right when you referred to the common law (i.e. the body of judge-made law that can trace its origins back to the Norman monarchs, and really got going when the Plantagenate Henry II established a uniform court structure to replace the local assemblies previously used by individual areas to dispense justice specific to that area) as common sense, but the common law is almost entirely subordinate to the will of Parliament, which, like Congress, has a reputation for doing all sorts of stupid things. The US is also a common law jurisdiction, but that hasn't stopped the DMCA yet as far as I am aware.
Your reference to the lack of specific legislation is simply reflective of the differences in legislative practice between Australia and the US. Australian Parliaments tend to make statements of general principle that the courts can interpret with a certain amount of flexibility, whereas US legislatures seem to be much more controlling, even to the extent of very specific (and often quite harsh) sentencing formulae.
The right to record TV broadcasts doesn't actually exist: it is most definitely illegal. The right to decompile is protected by legislation, not by common law. Go read the Copyright Act (avaiable at AustLII) for more info.
Finally, the article you linked to is by Sir Anthony Mason, Chief Justice of the High Court during the most progressive era of its existence. His words should therefore be treated with a certain amount of caution, especially given the more conservative, literalist makeup of today's Court.
Independence Day? (Score:3, Interesting)
Granted, Australia is a faily isolated island, but many industrialized countries are using Internet and telephone as though they are commodities. Last time I looked at pricing for such services in Australia the costs were astronomous.
With the possible adoption of this DMCA type legislation - which has slowed some technology research in the US - I don't see this helping Australia to modernize its economy. Unless of course, the free trade is really beneficial. While Canada and Mexico might have benefitted from NAFTA, it was only because the US knew it was to its advantage to use it. Now, Australia will be used too.
Re:Independence Day? (Score:3, Informative)
Think about the population density in much of Australia. It's the second-lowest in the world, right after barren Mongolia, according to about.com [about.com]. It's expensive to run phone cables out to remote sheep ranches in the middle of the desert.
That being said, I'm still amazed that Aussies have such a anti-tech hard-core conservative political bent, what with all their censorship laws and the like.
Re:Independence Day? (Score:3, Informative)
Singapore Already on board (Score:5, Informative)
See here: http://news.com.com/2100-1025-1000154.html
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Sheltered no more? (Score:3, Interesting)
However, one particular line in the IP agreement shows that is no longer the case:
"An expeditious process that allows for copyright owners to engage with Internet Service Providers and subscribers to deal with allegedly infringing copyright material on the Internet."
Australian file sharers, beware.
The ACCC won't like this... (Score:5, Interesting)
They opposed the prosecution of the Sony mod-chipper - not for piracy reasons, but for competition reasons. Playstation games are cheaper in the US, and have more range in Japan.
They oppose region coding of DVDs - and as a result almost all Australian DVD players, even from the big companies, are region free out of the box. Same reasons, bigger range, more choice.
No matter what the U.S. wants, businesses in there have no force of law here - specifically the RIAA and friends.
Won't pass through the Senate anyway (Score:4, Informative)
The ALP have indicated they will block passage, as has at least one Independent.
Long live the Senate.
This is par for the course. (Score:5, Insightful)
It may have been a little imprudent to say so in front of the media, but he was simply saying what alot of people were thinking at the time. Maybe if American politicians had the courage to be so forthright there wouldn't be DMCA or Patriot or IP lawyers mocking your most basic constitutional rights so flagrantly.
Speaking of which, the 'licker' comment was made during the lead up to the war in Iraq. The assertion was that if we supported the US in their little WMD wild goose chase, then we'd be favoured in the upcoming free-trade talks (not to mention post-war contracts). I guess they stiffed us on the free-trade!
The DMCA (Score:3, Interesting)
A Message to John Howard (Score:3)
I don't care about karma at the moment.
I've been hearing this crap all day on the radio how it is better for Australia, Australians and the farmers. But behalf of all the Australians who know what it will be like with this agreement, I say FUCK YOU MR JOHN HOWARD, soon to be ex prime minister of Australia.
Thankyou slashdot for allowing me to vent my frustration.
My letter to DFAT (Score:5, Interesting)
I read with some concern that the Free Trade Agreement with the US will involve harmonising our intellectual property laws with the US, in particular with the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. This would be a disaster for innovation in Australia.
I refer you to the following paper, entitled "Unintended Consequences: Five Years under the DMCA" by the Electronic Frontier Foundation:
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences .php [eff.org]
This paper describes the harm that has been done in the US to free speech, scientific research, and fair use since the DMCA's introduction. Introducing a similar law here would be devastating.
My own company, Southern Storm Software, Pty Ltd, would be directly affected by such as change. At present, Australian law protects those who reverse engineer a competitor's product for the purpose of interoperation. DMCA-style laws would make me a felon solely for trying to compete fairly in my chosen market.
I urge you to please reconsider, so that Australia remains competitive in the Information Technology industry, and does not become a victim of the large Copyright interests in the US who are not interested in true and open competition.
Name and address added.
http://www.southern-storm.com.au/ [southern-storm.com.au]
A sad day... (Score:5, Interesting)
When this was first mentioned [slashdot.org], I spent some time reading up on the topic: I might as well share some links here.
The only organisation that I could find actively lobbying against the dilution of Public Domain rights in Australia was Australian Library and Information Association [alia.org.au], a professional organisation for librarians. They are following [alia.org.au] this issue, and may appreciate your input and support; their online journal also contains an insightful article [alia.org.au] by an Australian National University professor of law on copyrights and public domain.
As other have pointed out, the retrospective extension of copyrights from Life+50 to Life+70, which even those advocating a longer copyright term admitted had no justification [allenconsult.com.au], is of particular concern to Project Gutenberg of Australia [gutenberg.net.au] (site seems to be down at present--anyone know why?), which had published a number of until now Public Domain works on their site (for instance, the works of George Orwell). There's already some discussion of this on Distributed Proofreaders [pgdp.net] (registration may be required)--if you're a DP'er, you might like to contribute, and if you're not a DP'er, you should be.
HTH
Maybe it's not all irretrievably bad? (Score:5, Insightful)
From the article:
Tighter controls on circumventing technological protection of copyright material together with a mechanism for examining and as necessary introducing public interest exceptions in relation to technological protection measures, along with a transition period to provide the opportunity for public submissions in this area, as well as other measures in relation to circumvention tools
From this paragraph, it appears that the government would actually like to hear what the problems are with legislation that outlaws software that might potentially be used to infringe others "intellectual property". At least they are aware that this may cause problems, and I see this as a good thing.
So, Australian
All that is required for evil to flourish is that good men only rant on Slashdot (or something).
misunderstanding (Score:5, Informative)
There is a fundamental misunderstanding here. People say "adopt DMCA style laws". The fact is that these laws (now enacted by the US, EU and other countries) are the result of the WIPO Internet Copyright Treaties agreeded upon in the late 1990's (1998 if I remember correctly).
What this means is that these countries long ago signed up to the treaty, it just takes a few years for legislative changes to be introduced and have effect.
Correct me if I am wrong here... (Score:5, Interesting)
We all know how most congressmen only care about money (the same money paid by big american corperations to Bush to get him to push for these nasty things in the first place) so I suspect getting the trade aggreement passed through congress would be trivial.
However, in australia, it has to pass through the Senate. Now is the time for all aussies to pressue the parliment NOT to pass this totally UNFAIR aggreement that basicly gives the US everything it wanted for nothing in return. Just like the senate has rejected or ammended several other contraveral/crappy pieces of Howard Government legislation (much to the annoyance of Howard), it can reject (being a treaty like this, they cant ammend it) the FTA. (at least I think so, I dont fully understand how this kind of thing works here in australia)
In any case, regardless of what happens, one way to protest (against this and other things including the general "bush says jump, howard says how high" moves that have been going on lately) is to not vote for howard or his party.
Why wont the farmers in america accept a "gradual reduction of protection over 15-20 years"?
Reducing the protection gradually over that long a period would give them plenty of time to either get better (and still be able to survive in a lower-subsidy/lower-tarrif/lower-protection environment or if thats not possible, to get out of farming into something else.
Most likely will not be ratified by Australian Gov (Score:4, Interesting)
1.) Its an all or nothing agreement, meaning if either government does
not pass all of the agreement terms then the whole agreement is
termed void
2.) The opposition parties to the current Australian government are
all against the main terms of the agreement, because they don't treat
Australian farmers fairly especially sugar farmers.
3.) The agreement wont go through because in the long run it
favors the Americans more than the Australians in many areas.
4.) Tariffs have been lifted in Australian industries that are
slowly being moved off-shore into Asia i.e.: car manufacture
5.) The US has lifted tariffs on goods that already have a highly
competitive market in the US.
These and many more things about the agreement will see the agreement
fail to pass the senate in Australia, so as far as Australians having
to participate in the imbecilic decadent patenting and licensing
schemes of the US, all I can do is just laugh he he he he he heeeee
The Net Effect Party will oppose this (Score:4, Informative)
We are a new Australian political party attempting to get 500 members and based online.
Our stance is that the FTA and specifically this DMCA provision runs contrary to Australia's best interests, so if elected we will strike it down.
We also oppose software patents and call for a dramatic reduction in copyright terms back to the 10 year timeframe or similar.
Visit our website, and more importantly our forum, for more in depth information and a chance to actively shape our policies.
RTF agreement? (Score:4, Informative)
An overview [dfat.gov.au]
In particular, I quote:
"Australia retains the flexibility to implement the Agreement in a way that meets our domestic circumstances, for example, providing a mechanism to introduce public interest exceptions in relation to technological protection measures."
Re:Har har har (Score:5, Informative)
why do you think we send it overseas?
dms0
Re:Watch out... (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/06/10758540 63514.html
Re:There is always New Zealand... (Score:3, Interesting)
If you're white, educated and already rich, come on in (can you believe that our main source of immigrants is still the UK!?).
If you're downtrodden, 'ethnic' or otherwise disabled then try New Zealand
Re:So much for the land down under... (Score:4, Informative)