Woman Ticketed For Nude Pics On Internet 768
Oneamp writes "A woman in Lincoln, Neb. has been ticketed for appearing nude in public after she published photographs of herself doing so. Apparently, it's not neccessary to be caught in the act. CNN article here" The article does not link to Harrington's website.
"The article does not link to Harrington's website (Score:5, Informative)
:)
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Insightful)
Sometimes I wonder why slashdot (or comments pushed up to score:5) even link to sites that will either flame up in DoS-style burnination, or will cost the provider a crapload of cash for going over bandwidth limits.
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Funny)
God made her hot. (Score:5, Funny)
The cops made her famous.
And now geeks will make her rich.
It's the new American dream.
Re:God made her hot. (Score:3, Insightful)
No..
I'm 5'7" tall, 118 lbs, my breasts are 34c's... and of course all natural!
Re:God made her hot. (Score:4, Funny)
By what standards? This is slashdot, there are men here with bigger breasts than this chick.
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:3, Informative)
Back when I used to do this, a 1 in 500 conversion ratio (after an ever lower clickthrough ratio) was considered great.
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Re: The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Interesting)
Front-end success was the worst thing that happened to a lot of dot-coms during the boom. A site would decide they wanted traffic so they would put on a cute Super Bowl commercial. Poof! No more site. Too many users, and none get served.
It's an interesting problem that doesn't apply to most things. TV shows, for example... too many viewers? No such thing. Radio is the same. Magazines, movies. Sure, theaters have only so many seats, but you can always see a movie in the first weekend if you really want to.
The only thing that comes close is call centers. Have you ever tried to call a radio station during a contest? Pretty hard to get through. So you don't want to advertise the greatest thing since Sliced Bread (tm) and just have one guy answering the phone, or 99% of your customers who have already decided to buy cease to exist.
I say "front-end" success because a whole lot of dot-coms had sites that didn't kill them, but fulfillment that did. Holy crap! 6,000 order today. It sounds cool, but have you ever tried to stuff and address 6,000 packages in day on your dining room table? And then get them shipped? You could take a week, but in that week you'll get tens of thousands of more orders.
Oh wait, I'm off topic. OK, I'm done. My point is that lots of traffic is not always a good thing, which is exactly what a slashdotting is all about. One of the most interesting games in this business is the game of figuring out how much traffic you really want, not to little and not too much, and getting your site ready to handle that range of traffic without making it too complicated or too expensive. Whoops, even more offtopic. Gotta go.
RP
Re:shit traffic (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:shit traffic (Score:5, Insightful)
Then why do you have a link to your pr0n site in your sig, numbnuts?
Re:shit traffic (Score:4, Funny)
Oh... you mean without the decimal point.
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Interesting)
she doesn't need any money (Score:3, Interesting)
12/19/2003 - Z92 (92.3FM) held their annual "Sexy Santa" contest this morning... and I was there represent'n! I can't believe I won the $1,000 Grand Prize, paid by "Doctor John's Erotic Gift's"....
I have to laugh at all the suckers (or possibly slashdotters) I am sure have sent her money for her "legal defense fund" - if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
- tokengeekgrrl
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Funny)
She sees the swarm of slashdot referral log entries on her server.... "Ewww!!!!" and pulls the plug.
So I wonder if the cop who spotted her naughtly little secret is going to own up?
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Informative)
Her webmaster is probably enjoying all the extra traffic.
In case you want to see th picture that got her in trouble [melissalincoln.com]
Not safe for work!
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:4, Funny)
you guys have no idea how weird i feel, sitting here in lincoln, NE, and getting pr0n off slashdot...
Uh, she WAS caught in the act (Score:4, Interesting)
Smokinggun.com even has them. It shows her publicly nude, including on a motorcycle right by a baseball field.
Re:If a tree falls in the woods..... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:If a tree falls in the woods..... (Score:5, Funny)
You are born naked, and if you time things correctly, you will die naked!
Re:If a tree falls in the woods..... (Score:5, Insightful)
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I wasn't aware that we needed justification for allowing people to do things. I thought all things were allowed, unless there is a justification for disallowing them...
Where's the "Boobies" icon? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh wait, I thought this was fark for a moment.
Slashfark?
How about a boobies.slashdot.org section?
Re:Where's the "Boobies" icon? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Where's the "Boobies" icon? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Where's the "Boobies" icon? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Where's the "Boobies" icon? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"The article does not link to Harrington's webs (Score:5, Funny)
Really not safe for work.... (Score:5, Funny)
And here I am, saying that we should have sacked the management instead and hired more temps...
She's been posting EVIDENCE, for heaven's sake! (Score:5, Insightful)
Internet photos of herself doing it. She's providing them with the EVIDENCE
they need to convict her.
This is a no-brainer.
Re:She's been posting EVIDENCE, for heaven's sake! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:She's been posting EVIDENCE, for heaven's sake! (Score:4, Insightful)
You're not required to incriminate yourself. They couldn't have forced her to post those photos. But she did, and she's busted.
Prediction: she'll either move to a place where it's legal, or she'll stop posting incriminating photos.
Re:She's been posting EVIDENCE, for heaven's sake! (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, she's busted alright...
I was (Score:5, Funny)
Of course, the ticket was from my wife, not the police
It's just like the speeding ticket cameras, yeah? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It's just like the speeding ticket cameras, yea (Score:5, Funny)
Apparently the authorities didn't think this was quite so funny so they sent him another letter containing a picture of some handcuffs.
Re:It's just like the speeding ticket cameras, yea (Score:5, Informative)
Non-News. (Score:3, Insightful)
What's the problem here? Get permission next time. If she did have permission, we wouldn't be posting here, would we?
Re:Non-News. (Score:3, Funny)
The only reason she was charged was because the bar owner objected.
Not too strange... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not too strange... (Score:5, Funny)
probably constitutional but with absence of malice (Score:4, Informative)
The determination is in the details. Ms. "Lincoln" is charged with a violation of Lincoln Municipal Code Section 9.16.230, which reads: [lincoln.ne.us]
So, given part (c), she probably doesn't have the selective enforcement hook that the linked Virginia case turned on, other than the male/female topless selectivity thing that worked in Canada last year.
However, the government, if faced with an unconstitutionality claim, will have to state exactly what the compelling interest of the law is, and almost certainly it will be the same common law opposition to public nudity that is supposed to prevent people from being "shocked and offended." (Or driven mad with lacivious rage, or whatever.)
Now, for a conviction of a crime of intent (i.e., other than some kind of neglegence), scienter or "malice aforethought" must be proven. The defense in this case will almost certainly be able to prove an absence of malice, unless the procecution can produce a member of the public that observed the conduct depicted in the photographs and swears under penalty of purjury that they were shocked and/or offended. (With those breasts, I'm guessing you'd want a male for shocked and a female for offended.) The prosecution must also prove that the suspect was aware of the witness, or at least of the possibility of the witness's presence. The defense can counter with the likely fact, likely supported by witnesses, that (1) the indoor flashing was for a very brief period of time, and (2) the outdoor flashing was during a private party from which witnesses were being excluded.
In short, the prosecution has to prove, at the "beyond a reasonable doubt" level, that she was reckless about whether someone would be offended, which is not going to be easy.
Re:Why Unconstitutional? (Score:4, Interesting)
For the topless-only pictures involved, it's the due process clause, in particular selective enforcement, in that guys can go topless and girls can't. Hey, don't look at me. It worked in Canada! Different constitution, but the exact same argument.
Anyway, laws prohibiting public nudity are frequently ruled unconstitutional as soon as some D.A. tries to enforce them, e.g. this case allowing erotic dancing in Virginia [state.va.us]. That turned on, among other things, selective enforcement vis-a-vis nursing mothers. The details of the law are what make the real difference.
She's Probably Happy (Score:5, Funny)
Getting busted over something minor isn't the point.
Now if she was really cool she'd get someone to take some naughty shots of her in the police station.
Re:She's Probably Happy (Score:4, Funny)
Ahem, how did they find them? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Ahem, how did they find them? (Score:5, Funny)
Don't be insensitive to Nebraska Vice cops. They spend hours every week searching for public nudity in Nebraska on the internet. (This is about as big as Vice gets in Nebraska I imagine.) They don't like looking at pr0n, but somebody has to do it to preserve the moral fiber of Nebraska!
Won't somebody think of the Nebraskans!
Nebraska Vice Squad: It's the toughest job you'll ever love.
Best paragraph (Score:5, Funny)
That's what i call "The Pr()n spirit"
Where is Nebraska? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Where is Nebraska? (Score:5, Funny)
We are most definately right next to nowhere, a little south of boringville.
I hate this town.
I don't know if I would support public nudity... (Score:5, Insightful)
While I certainly feel people should be able to look at whatever they want in the privacy of their own home, I don't think I'd go as far as to argue that public nudity should be legal - if only because there is a large percentage of the population that I have no desire to see naked.
Re:I don't know if I would support public nudity.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Good point, piss-poor argumentation (Score:4, Insightful)
The point is voluntarism. You wouldn't want that people could watch other people forced to, or incapable of understanding their acts, such as images of rape or kiddie pr0n. Much in the same way that you don't want people (like you in particular) or people not mature enough, such as minors, to be forced to observe such acts.
However, in the case of public nudity it's slightly more complicated - it is after all how we are without garments, and it's not a negative "you can not do X" To disallow public nudity is to force people to wear clothes. At which point you have to argue which freedom is more important - the freedom not to wear clothes, or the freedom not to see other people without clothes.
While I agree - I wouldn't like to see most of the population naked - I find their right to decide over their own body, to be naked if they so please more basic than my right to decide what I want to see. Or even what my future kids someday will see. I admit, I wouldn't want them to see a flasher like this. But a naked guy walking down the street? Acceptable to me.
That does not extend to events they could reasonably keep private, or where the entire point is do to it in public (like e.g. having public sex), but nudity is not an action - it's rather an absence of an action - to wear clothes. Ask yourself - do you have the right to force everyone around you to wear clothes?
Kjella
Keep in mind.... (Score:3, Insightful)
The posting itself is not necessarily the violation. If she posted a nude picture *taken in her home* it is not clear from this article that she ever would have been charged.
fakes? (Score:4, Insightful)
They're easier to fake than lie detectors.
Re:fakes? (Score:5, Funny)
Ah yes, I see, the Lincoln City Council has taken upon itself to surreptitiously photograph its citizens, then edit the photographs to make them appear as if they are violating ordinances in order to collect citation income from them.
Tell me, do you have the aluminum foil hat, or did you get the spiffy titanium one?
Re:fakes? (Score:3, Insightful)
Since the photo came from her, and it is her web site that admits they were taken in the bar in question
Smoking gun (Score:5, Informative)
Not "public" nudity if nobody saw her at the time. (Score:5, Interesting)
In most of these voyeur-style pictures the shot is taken when no one is looking. I am definitely not a lawyer, but if I were defending myself on this I'd argue that since nobody saw me (assuming this is the case) it wasn't a "public" display.
TW
Re:Not "public" nudity if nobody saw her at the ti (Score:5, Insightful)
This is not a legal argument you are making, but a "what I think it should be" argument, and those don't usually hold up so well in court.
if I were defending myself on this I'd argue that since nobody saw me (assuming this is the case) it wasn't a "public" display.
And the judge would laugh at you.
Laws are usually quite specific about what their terms mean; some less so than others, but "public" is very clear in law.
I found one Nebraska public decency law [geocities.com], for example, that says "in a public place and where the conduct may reasonably be expected to be viewed by members of the public". Whether or not someone saw anything is irrelevant, in this law: it only matters whether the act might reasonably be expected to be seen by members of the public.
So, if it is a private party in a public place, not a problem. If it is during public business hours at a table in the local pub, that's a problem. The law she was cited for is not this one, but it is likely the wording is similar, as most of them are.
Re:But she WAS seen! (Score:3, Insightful)
TW
Wait a second . . . (Score:5, Funny)
How did the police find the pictures?
Hmm . . . it's also unlawful to use government property to surf porn sites at work, you know . . . :p
Re:Wait a second . . . (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wait a second . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Honest Mom... (Score:5, Funny)
Umm guys (Score:4, Insightful)
In order to keep all of us from clawing our eyes out, we must have an evenhanded law that punishes all violators equally. Because then it gets very problematic for officials to say that only hot people can be naked, and then who is responisble for defining "hot."
Re:Umm guys (Score:4, Informative)
Got to give her props though, she did get a ton of free publicity off this. I know the guy who runs nebraskacoeds.com and she's making a crap ton of money off all this.
While it might not seem like a reasonable law, note that this is *nebraska*. It's very republican and conservative. If you don't like it, move to another state
Re:Umm guys (Score:3, Funny)
Agh (Score:3, Funny)
The one article people would actually read, and you have to go and ruin it!
She's real torn up (Score:3, Insightful)
I know because we can smell our own
Ridiculous penalties (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Ridiculous penalties (Score:3, Insightful)
She won't be facing anything remotely CLOSE to those penalties. Probably something in the range of a few hundred dollars and short unsupervised probation. If she continues to violate the law, the penalties will increase.
Before you post some apparently 'insightful' gibberish about how "this country is screwed up beyond help", at least take the time
Gee, was that I-405 near Bothell, WA? (Score:3, Informative)
Just curious! That one irked the shit out of me. Cop's wife wipes out an entire family and gets barely a slap on the hand. I drive by the burned spot in the road where three of the four died on the scene, every time I drive to work. It's a straight section of road in a wide, shallow dip that allows you to see way ahead. There's no excuse for not seeing the upcoming obstruction, and no excuse for the driver to not get slammed with four counts of manslaughter at the least, if not vehicular homicide. Grr
Back in College... (Score:5, Interesting)
Many didn't think it 'fair' as no one had caught them in the act, few fully recognized how damaging a photo like that can be... even if false.
One friend took a picture of me and Photoshoped a water bong and a bottle of vodka into it with me... it was so good looking that the university actually 'investigated' to see if it was true, thankfully it didn't get that far for the simple reason that they knew I wasn't stupid enough to let a real picture like that of me exist.
And here's how to protest... (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, the trick would be to encourage pretty girls to do this. I think if local geeks were generous enough to offer their help with Photoshop, more girls would be encouraged.
If enough people do this, it will clog up the court systems and put an end to these public nudity laws. Best of all, the public nudity law was never broken!
It's civil disobedience for 2004! Get on board!!!
</tongue-in-cheek>Re:And here's how to protest... (Score:3, Funny)
Ohhhhh...btw...this picture's here (Score:5, Informative)
One time (Score:5, Funny)
I don't know.
Your Tax Dollars at work (Score:4, Funny)
I'll be her lawyer. (Score:5, Interesting)
Auuugh! (Score:5, Funny)
Auuugh, my precious eyes are going to be corrupted! I can feel my mind melting under the hidious hideiousnedd of NUDITY!
Why, you know the dangers of nudity in public? Well, there's a lot of them, I'll tell ya!
* World might implode
* Meteor might impact earth
* Solar flare could fry us
In addition, it might contribute to GLOBAL WARMING!
FIGHT NUDITY TODAY!
No, No, No! (Score:3, Interesting)
cops say . . . (Score:3, Funny)
Marvelous bike (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, don't complain, it's a website for geeks, remember?
Her website and pic galleries (Score:5, Informative)
free gallery 1 [melissalincoln.com]
free gallery 2 [melissalincoln.com]
free gallery 3 [melissalincoln.com]
free gallery 4 [melissalincoln.com]
free gallery 5 [melissalincoln.com]
free gallery 6 [melissalincoln.com]
Nudity and God. (Score:5, Funny)
I'm Liberal, But... (Score:4, Insightful)
I'll grant you that public nudity probably isn't the biggest crime out there right now, but I'm really baffled here. If I rob a bank and have a friend videotape it, then put the videotape up on the web, being convicted based on the videotape makes me a complete moron, not the victim of some 1984-style society.
The Internet isn't a guarantee of anonymity and complete prevention of liability. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone here.
at last, a topic where (Score:3, Informative)
-no one will complain if it is or becomes a dupe
and I for one welcome our new pair of 34c overlords.
At least she wasn't Mayor! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:At least she wasn't Mayor! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:At least she wasn't Mayor! (Score:4, Funny)
What a world, what a world... (Score:5, Insightful)
Want to watch news stories that capture the 'Horror of War' close up and personal? No problem!
Want to watch another movie that depicts people being hacked apart, in very grisly detail, by a chainsaw-wielding maniac? No problem!
Want to take a look at pictures of a naked female body on the Internet, or pictures of two people engaged in acts of trying to bring each other a little pleasure? NOW we have a problem!
Given all the awful stuff that's going on in the world today, am I the only one who thinks that police and other law-enforcement agencies could be doing better things with their time than illustrating (by example) that we, as a race, need to be Really Ashamed of our bodies?
It wouldn't happen in Dallas (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:DUH. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:here's the link to her site... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:here's the link to her site... (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.melissalincoln.com/galleries/001/
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http://www.me
http://www.meliss
Re:No victim no crime? (Score:3, Informative)
It all depends on how the statute/ordinance is written. If it just requires that an act be performed for a fine to be assesed, then she's in deep. It the law requires the complaint of a victim for charges to be filed, then she'll be aquitted.
I know little about the circumstance, or the law of the town. In all it seems like a photo radar ticket: no officer saw you speeding, but the
Re:What's the problem? (Score:3, Insightful)
Depending on the court, you either swear an oath of some sort, or are otherwise instructed, to rule on the case according to the law; and if you cannot or are unwilling to do that, you will be excused from serving.
That depends on how much you respect the oath you took before taking your position on the jury. You promise to rule on the case according to the l
It's not a crime unless there's a *victim* (Score:5, Insightful)
Cameras are used at gas stations to catch "gas and go's", I don't see how this situation should be any different.
In that case, there would be someone who was deprived of property, a *victim*. In this case, there is no such person.
The police are doing their job, which is to pander to commercial interests and justify their budgets by making innocent Americans into criminals.
Re:Camera evidense for crimes commited is common (Score:5, Insightful)
Running red lights and speeding can put others in *danger* and that is why it is illegal. The reason people can't be naked in public is because America is far happier to watch people get beaten up and killed than some chicks tits.
You people are fucking sick. Just because something is 'illegal' doesn't make it wrong. Use your own god damn sense of judgement and stop letting others think for you you fucking sheep.
Of course if you really really think she should be punished for this because you believe someone could have been hurt or affected negatively, then we have a friendly disagreement and I'll settle for calling you a retard and not fuzzy white animal that says 'BAAAAA'.