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The Life of a Spammer 539

An anonymous reader writes "The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ran an interesting article today about the life of a "small time" spammer. It is interesting to note that even a religiously zealous grandmother can mire our inboxes with junk." That's Flo Fox, of Slidell, LA.
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The Life of a Spammer

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  • This Flo Fox? (Score:4, Informative)

    by torgosan ( 141603 ) * on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:29PM (#7718678) Homepage
    Fox, Flo
    127 Rue Acadian
    Slidell, LA 70461-5203
    (985) 646-2225
    • Fox, Flo
      127 Rue Acadian
      Slidell, LA 70461-5203
      (985) 646-2225

      Place collect calls to this number.

      "Why don't you just hit delete?" Why don't you have fun refusing charges all day?

      • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:53PM (#7718862)
        If there are any Slashdot readers in that area, perhaps someone should double check that that this is the person in question. (Does the person living there look like the woman in the article?).

        We don't want to give grief to an innocent person.
      • by The Pi-Guy ( 529892 ) <<moc.esiwauhsoj> <ta> <todhsals+auhsoj>> on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:55PM (#7718881) Homepage
        http://www.cataloglink.com/
        http://www.catalogdir ect.com/
        http://www.catalogs.com/catalog/default. asp?

        A little bit of spam?
      • by WCityMike ( 579094 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:05PM (#7718963)
        1. Spam.
        2. Agree to a newspaper interview identifying you as a spammer.
        3. Forget that your address and phone number is listed publicly. ...
        7. PROFIT!
      • Re:This Flo Fox? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by vadim_t ( 324782 )
        Here's an idea:

        Somebody should make a website listing all those numbers, and keeping them up to date. Sure, people are going to annoy a lot somebody for a week or two, but then the story disappears from the front page, people forget...

        There should be some good place where to find the phone numbers of all those morons so that they hear from people who are unhappy with their methods for a few months at least.
        • Re:This Flo Fox? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by DesertFalcon ( 670699 ) <dcrookston&gmail,com> on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:36PM (#7719172)
          That's a good idea, actually. Then publish the site with those tech support sweatshops (Convergys, et. al.) so that when the workers there get calls from people who are mad about spam, they can say "If you go to www.spammer-info.com, you can call them and tell them personally what you think about them..."

          Of course then you have the problem of innocent people getting on the list... and anyone who says "hurting one innocent person is worth it!" just joined the ranks of spammers as far as moral decay goes, imho.
        • Re:This Flo Fox? (Score:5, Informative)

          by bigberk ( 547360 ) <bigberk@users.pc9.org> on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:46PM (#7719238)
          Somebody should make a website listing all those numbers
          Somebody has. And their lists are very reliable. These sites don't just list your average granny spammer, but rather the people who are behind the spam business. The sources are investigated and records are compiled over time with community feedback. These sites cause so much trouble to spammers that several Internet worms have been released specifically to DDoS these sites. No joke:
    • Re:This Flo Fox? (Score:4, Informative)

      by pocketlint ( 152872 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:36PM (#7719171) Homepage
      Actually my fiance knows this person. that's the wrong address. The one you're looking for is as follows:

      1711 W Hall Ave
      Slidell, LA 70460-2536
      (985) 781-2542
      • Re:This Flo Fox? (Score:5, Informative)

        by pocketlint ( 152872 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:54PM (#7719312) Homepage
        Whoops, let me elaborate. That's the wrong Florence Fox. My fiance went to the same church (St. Genevive) as her and knew her as the bandana lady. Apparently she needed the bandana to help with her migraines.

        She is listed at the following address:

        Fox, Florence F
        1711 W Hall Ave
        Slidell, LA 70460-2536
        (985) 781-2542
        (985) 643-9417
  • hmmm.... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Savatte ( 111615 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:30PM (#7718683) Homepage Journal
    day 1: send emails
    repeat

    not that difficult, in my opinion
    • Re:hmmm.... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by sketerpot ( 454020 ) <sketerpot@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Sunday December 14, 2003 @04:11PM (#7719450)
      From what I hear, it is that difficult. There are lots of filters out there being put in place by ISPs and businesses, and spammers have to worry about them all the time. It's interesting to see how the spammers justify their t r 1 c k z. A comment on ISPs filtering out spam:
      "This is just like racketeering," Fox says. "It's the big guy squeezing the little guy out."

      How stupid is that? Sometimes the little guy deserves to be kicked out. It only takes a few assholes to ruin things for a lot of people, even if the assholes are "little guys".

  • Spamming doesn't pay (Score:5, Informative)

    by mabu ( 178417 ) * on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:32PM (#7718696)
    More evidence of the reality of spamming:

    Fox's days of carefree spamming are past, and so is the good money. She worries that bankruptcy is just around the corner and blames the Internet companies -- who have become more adept at filtering out spam.


    You can bet that this woman is a relative or trailer park neighbor of the "cajun spam gang" [ratatak.com] that's been operating in the area for awhile. I think most of them have gone out of business though.
  • Ack! (Score:5, Funny)

    by JoeBaldwin ( 727345 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:34PM (#7718709) Homepage Journal
    Innate respect for the elderly clashing with innate disgust for people selling me ways to naturally enlarge my cock! AAARGH!!! THE CONFUSION!

    • Re:Ack! (Score:5, Funny)

      by mAineAc ( 580334 ) <{mAineAc_____} {at} {hotmail.com}> on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:56PM (#7718893) Homepage
      "Innate respect for the elderly clashing with innate disgust for people selling me ways to naturally enlarge my cock! AAARGH!!! THE CONFUSION!"

      Ewww! just thinking about some old lady telling me how to enlarge my cock turns my stomach.
    • Re:Ack! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by sketerpot ( 454020 ) <sketerpot@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Sunday December 14, 2003 @04:19PM (#7719519)
      This spammer is "ethical" because she doesn't so that. From the article:
      But Fox and Connelly have their limits. They don't peddle Viagra, breast enlargement pills or smut, they say. "When I defend what we do, I talk about free speech," says Connelly, a rugged man with silver hair and a full beard. "When it comes to porn, I don't care about [the pornographers'] free speech."
      I can't help wishing that this bitch would rethink her priorities. There's something very wrong when "smut" is thought of as being so much worse than spamming millions of unwilling recipients every day.
  • by Metallic Matty ( 579124 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:35PM (#7718712)
    "It is interesting to note that even a religiously zealous grandmother can mire our inboxes with junk."

    The woman's age, grandmother status and religious strength aside, I'd still key her car if I ever saw it.
    • by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:23PM (#7719088)
      >The woman's age, grandmother status and religious strength aside,

      What difference does it make?

      Religious people are no more 'decent' than non-religious people.

      Women are just as capable of doing wrong as men.

      Age does not make one wiser or a better person.

      Procreating doesn't make one better than a a childless person.
  • Yay! (Score:5, Funny)

    by shumacher ( 199043 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:35PM (#7718715)
    My home town is on slashdot!
    Oh, great, it's about a spammer.
    Crap.
    • Blaster [msn.com]

      Yeah, hooray for our hometown internet heroes... bringing the Blaster worm to the masses. (note sarcasm). Although my first thought when I heard about it was "Cool! We're on the national news!", it's kinda wierd to know the kid down the street's house is being raided by FBI and secret service agents.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    I'm all shriveled up now.
  • Boo Hoo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RedHatLinux ( 453603 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:35PM (#7718723) Homepage
    At this woman's fear of going bankrupt. It is not the fault of internet companies filtering that will happened.

    It's the fact your product and actions are not wanted.

    Simple capitalism- Sell a product people want in a manner people want it and you will make money. Spam does neither as such will eventually die out.

    • Re:Boo Hoo (Score:4, Interesting)

      by zapp ( 201236 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:18PM (#7719050)

      It's the fact your product and actions are not wanted.

      Simple capitalism- Sell a product people want in a manner people want it and you will make money. Spam does neither as such will eventually die out.


      It doesn't matter what the receiver of the spam wants. What matters is that companies want to get advertisements for their services out to millions of people, and she provides that service. Therefore, she has high demand. And spam filters interfere with her being able to meet her customer's expectations.

      That said, I think I should cover my back by saying I hate spammers, they should die, and wtf is she doing sending spam and wearing a "what would Jesus do?" shirt? Just goes to show you ALL kinds of people can be dumb, mean, and detrimental to society.
    • Re:Boo Hoo (Score:3, Informative)

      by shumacher ( 199043 )
      What gets me is the way they talk about Slidell in the article. The place they speak of isn't "boarded up" though it is nearly empty. This particular site has no real businesses, except for about a dozen new-car dealerships and a community college. But to take that as an example of the city failing is crazy. There's a huge staduim project a mile away, a giant subdivision filled with new $250,000 homes, a new mega Wal-Mart and Lowes a mile in the other direction, the far side of two has two new shopping cent
  • by adenium_obesum ( 732741 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:35PM (#7718725)
    I love Flo's t-shirt! WWJD? Ask if you need a bigger rod and staff, and yea, only He can granteth THAT miracle!
  • by Dark Lord Seth ( 584963 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:36PM (#7718732) Journal
    The graying grandmother in a "What Would Jesus Do?" T-shirt proudly recalls stretching two turkey carcasses into enough gumbo to feed 100 of the city's poor.

    Jesus would prolly open up a can of whoop-ass when he finds out she's sending "XXX HOT LATIN TW1NKS XXX FOR FREE rqewgkjtqwertnb" to random 13 year olds. How about some divine retribution with a vulcan cannon?

  • by prostoalex ( 308614 ) * on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:38PM (#7718753) Homepage Journal
    Comparing my daily inbox reading routine a year ago and now, I hardly worry about spam nowadays. I have three e-mail boxes, one at yahoo.com, another one for personal e-mails, and the third one spam-only, that I only check when I expect a registration confirmation to come from some site I register at.

    Yahoo Mail has its own filters, my Linux mailserver has spamassassin, and the spam e-mail address gets discarded on a weekly basis automatically.

    Yeah, occasionally 2-3 letters per day pass though Spamassassin, but they are easy to see right from the subject line and delete right away. Spamassassin and other free (as well as commercial ) products seem to do a pretty decent job at it, and 2-3 spam e-mails per day can be just treated as a cost of using the system.
    • It is very bothersome for me. I get so much spam on the email address that I've had for 10 years that I now don't even look through my filtered mail for false positives. If my software says it's spam, it just gets deleted right away.

      I'm sure I'm deleting real email too, but what can I do? I don't have time to look through hundreds of messages a day to see if one is legitimate. (Maybe Flo Fox can do it for me from prison.)
      • by YetAnotherDave ( 159442 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:56PM (#7718890)
        tip - if you have a scoring system like spamassassin, set two thresholds. One which sends mail to the spam box, and a second, higher one which sends to /dev/null

        On my system, (spapassassin + spamass-milter) I file at 6, and reject mail at 14

        I waited a while to ensure that the bayes was tuned properly before adding the reject rule, but if I didn't have it my mail'd be totally unusable...

        If you don't have a scoring system, get one :)
    • I occasionally get some at work (1-5 a week)

      At home (with spamassassin, instead of the crappy, big$$ system we have at work) I get 1-5 a month that slip thru the net.

      If there are any spamassassin developers reading this, thanks much!
    • by petabyte ( 238821 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:53PM (#7718869)
      For the end user like me, its probably not all that bothersome. I have a spamassassin / bogofilter rig built into my evolution filters that takes care of most everything.

      Now how about the sysadmin reading slashdot. The one that maintains that mailserver and has to find storage for all of that crap that comes pouring in. The one that has to setup spamassassin on the servers and teach people (which is probably the worst part) how to setup their outlook clients to filter all of this. The one that has to hear complaints about the 2-3 spam getting through over the 3 trillion that came in during the week and the one that has to requistition the money to maintain the spamfiltration instead of it going elsewhere in the company.

      Spam costs the ISP/Company/User time and money whereas the spammer pays next to nothing and most slashdotters (IMHO) have a problem with that.
    • by Hayzeus ( 596826 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:57PM (#7718898) Homepage
      I've had two email addresses since back in the day when domain names were free. waste.com was my initial domain -- I sold waste of in 95 and got a new email address -- swampgas.com. I have had the same address on each of those, and have been pretty stubborn about leaving that single address more or less public (although obfuscated when posting to usenet)-- but that's about to change.

      About the time I switced to the new domain, I began seeing a significant amount of email spam. As of 2000, I began to see my rate doubling about once per year. Last year I got about 150/day -- this year it's up to 300 or so. Even using spamassasin, the emails that get through are a major annoyance, especially if I've been away from email for more than a day or two. At this point, it looks like I'll be switching to using multiple addresses, one semi-public, one for ecommerce, and one given out only to friends and family -- I really see no other way at this point (although even THAT isn't a perfect solution).

      Of course, maybe it's because I live in St. Tammany Parish (a parish in LA is like a county in other states) -- the same parish as Slidell. In fact, Ron Scelson was our old babysitter's son in law. Maybe the massive spam load is some kind of weird misdirected digital karma bullet, that just happened to hit me instead of the nearby spammer. Dunno -- but I suspect its just the inevitable consequence of keeping a vary public email address.

      In any case -- yes -- spam is a major problem for me, and I'm reasonably savy with most of the available anti-spam tools out there.

    • by adenium_obesum ( 732741 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:04PM (#7718952)
      At my work, the IT section recently changed our domain, so all new e-mails coming into the old address, including spam, were both forwarded to the new address and sent an auto-reply informing them of the address change!
    • Why, not bothersome at all, considering I had long ago seen this state of spam coming and now have lines of defense set up. As long as you consider it not bothersome to even have these lines of defense.

      The 1st line of defense is a false address (i.e. I don't use it how I say I use it). I use hotmail.com. The account is handed out to sites that demand to know my email address for various reg purposes. This hotmail account is on auto-reject ... it sends every piece of mail coming in to the trash. At f
  • by Indy1 ( 99447 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:40PM (#7718774)
    I'd love to firewall her off preemptively. I dont care how much she thumps her bible, she's still just another piece of trailer trash attempting to abuse my bandwidth and my server. And while we're all here, lets get her address modded up so she can practice turning the other cheek with a flood of snail mail spam.
    • by Neop2Lemus ( 683727 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:44PM (#7718800) Journal
      Many crooks hide behind a charade of religion, everyone from Bin Laden to the Nigerian Spammers .

      Unfortunately this this reflects badly upon the truly religious people. All I can say is that I hope her church finds out and kicks her sorry ass out of it, I'd do it if she were in mine.

    • > I'd love to firewall her off preemptively

      Then use spamcop, SORBS, or the spamhaus SBL, because like the article says, she's using the "cajun spammer gang" tricks -- which involves SMTP AUTH password cracking, and open relay and proxy spamming. No doubt she'd use zombies if she bought in to that network.

      She's a felon thousands of times over. You want to pre-empt her spam, call your states AG.

  • Crummy Article (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KDan ( 90353 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:40PM (#7718775) Homepage
    To circumvent U.S. Internet companies, spammers may ricochet their e-mail through less secure networks in China, South Korea or South America before the junk winds up in in boxes from Georgia to California. They share or sell information on how to crack various systems.

    "Less secure networks"? Riight... They're all equally insecure, the US as much as anyone else.

    Daniel
  • Observations (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:41PM (#7718778)
    $25. A compilation of e-mail addresses of those who have purchased items offered in spam -- known as the "suckers list" -- costs more.

    Two interesting things in that paragraph:

    1. When someone says "Don't respond to spam", it's really good advice.

    2. The spammers themselves don't even believe in the products they sell, labelling their customers "suckers".
  • Even? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by eddy ( 18759 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:46PM (#7718816) Homepage Journal

    It is interesting to note that even a religiously zealous [...]

    Even? I suggest that's precisely the kind of mental handicap ("disconnect" if you want to be nicer) that's required.

  • by nv5 ( 697631 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:47PM (#7718821) Homepage Journal
    The fact, that spam is still worthwhile goes to show, that one person's spam is another person's valued information (worth clicking on and spending money on).

    Therefore efforts (legal and technical) to define spam at the sender side seem inherently dubious to me.

    On the other hand, weeding out spam at the receiving end doesn't do anything to conserve the bandwidth and other computing resources wasted on items, which ended up being identified as spam by the respective recipients.

    So this is a fundamentally tough nut to crack.
    • So this is a fundamentally tough nut to crack.

      Not much, not yet. Those at the intermediate stages (the ones who lose the most bandwidth) could very easily act. Even those who can't be abused (because they are secure against abuse already) could act: by looking like they are vulnerable to abuse and then reporting the attempts at abuse to the appropriate ISP.

      I've stopped spam to millions of people without actually changing my SMTP software (I couldn't change it.) All I used were command files and system
  • Off shore? (Score:5, Informative)

    by weave ( 48069 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:48PM (#7718827) Journal
    OK, some contradiction here. She claims she spams through off shore services, but it also says she pays $1,000 a month for a lease line. That doesn't make sense.

    If it's off shore, she originates messags from there, and the bandwidth require would be satisfied with a 14.4k modem. Upload one message, message list stored off shore, fire.

    So who does she get her lease line from in the U.S.? Or is all of this just typical spammer lies?

  • Oh the irony (Score:2, Interesting)

    "It's easy to rip people off you have never even seen," Fox says.


    You mean just like its easy to steal bandwidth and send annoying or inapporopriate material to people you've never met, bitch?
  • Times have see seen that headline... "The Life of a Spammer", "a day in the life of a spammer", "a spammers life".... *sigh*
  • WWJD? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rnelsonee ( 98732 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:49PM (#7718846)
    I like her "WWJD?" shirt. If Jesus were around today, one thing he would not do is annoy 40 million people with lousy penis-enlargemnet ads...
  • by egg troll ( 515396 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:51PM (#7718855) Homepage Journal
    I'm sure I speak for all of us when we'd rather hear about the End of a Life of a Spammer.
  • by rodney dill ( 631059 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:52PM (#7718858) Journal
    I'm wondering when the first article on just another "small time" serial killer will appear. This has always been an activity that has been burdensome on the public general and now is often criminal

    I know I'm at risk at being modded down, but when I'm allowed to legally allowed to carjack or otherwise rob people to make ends meet, I'll have a little sympathy for this sort of person.
  • Spam: BSA as a tool? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dark Lord Seth ( 584963 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @02:56PM (#7718891) Journal

    You know, I've been thinking a bit. Spam is becoming a real problem and it's only a matter of time before email itself becomes nearly useless due to the massive amounts of spam. Something has to be done and it has to be done soon in order for it to still be effective enough. Stopping spam itself when it's en-route is not an option, as it will only lead to an arms race between spammer/virus writers and hackers/AV corps. Killing the bandwidth of the computers that send spam isn't an option either as it involves (D)DoSing, which is rather illegal. Killing the spammers themselves, as satisfying and tempting as it may be, is not an option either. Remember, even a spammer is someone's father/mother and/or son/daughter.

    Maybe, MAYBE we have a chance by sicking the BSA on them. Yes, the Business Software Alliance, the same people who use some sort of legalized extortion and raid small businesses that "fail to comply" to their rather variable demands. Think about it, most small time spammers are technological idiots who use home computers. Do you really think every spammer who has 10 PCs churning out email has valid licenses for Windows? Maybe a few, but loads don't. And even if they do, MS licensing is so horrid that whatever the heck you did, you're bound to violate at least 3 licenses anyways, excluding other licenses like the spam software itself. This is how we might go after a few small-time spammers. And hey, it actually makes the BSA people do something useful as well! Maybe an idea?

    • by cyberformer ( 257332 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @04:38PM (#7719667)
      Nearly all the software advertised in spam is counterfeit, so you can forward spam that advertises software to the BSA. Selling illegal copies of software is something that law-enforcement takes more seriously than spam itself.

      A few software companies actually ask you to forward them spam that advertises their products. See Symantec's Spamwatch [symantec.com] site as an example.
  • by teamhasnoi ( 554944 ) <{teamhasnoi} {at} {yahoo.com}> on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:00PM (#7718929) Journal
    I spent a good hour this weekend going through 2004 emails, of which four!! were real messages.

    My company's mail server was filled and not accepting new messages. I've not had too much problem with spam before (I use yahoo mail, mac Mail, and Thunderbird on the 'Mail PC') My settings are off on the PC, set to not delete messages fast enough.

    I finally realized the rage that most /.ers display at spammers - I found mysellf wanting to personally kill each spammer.

    The title of this article is "The Life of a Spammer" - If the anger I felt this weekend is similar to others, I'm thinking the title should be "The Very Short, and Very Painful Life of a Spammer After Being Beaten By Angry People Who Don't Need A Larger Penis, Like the Interest Rate They Currently Have, And Don't Need Another Copy of Norton SystemWorks."

  • by AndroidCat ( 229562 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:03PM (#7718949) Homepage
    I'm surprised that she claims to be a small time spammer. (Living in the same swamp as Scelson?) Most spammers in news stories claim to be some kind of spammer royalty. There have been a few pretenders to the "king of spam" throne and a spam queen or two.

    I'd like to see some variation. I'd like to see a spam pope.

    To be more accurate, I'd like to see a spam pope on a rope.

  • So what? (Score:5, Informative)

    by cluge ( 114877 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:06PM (#7718968) Homepage
    So now we have an AARP member spamming. Does it make any difference to me? It doesn't matter if the theif is a grandma wearing a WWJD T-shirt or a young fella with a ski mask. Theft is theft, and a thief is a thief.

    Whats she say to defend her theft - things like "....This (spam) lets the little guy compete". What does she think about the time, energy and costs small providers have to dish out to defend their network against SPAM? How many small guys have had their machines shut down because of false return addresses, or an onslaught of spam that makes mail services crawl? What about those small guys BUZZZZ Wrong answer grandma!

    She doesn't stop there, she goes on to say the even more bizzare "When I defend what we do, I talk about free speech". I looked at the constitution to be sure and nowhere did it say "You may steal from others, and then force them to accept your speech into their homes". I believe the consitution protects speech, but doesn't force others to have to accept/listen to ones speech. The amendment is about government cesorship, NOT about theft of services to promote a get rich schemes. BUZZZZ Wrong answer grandma!

    So she makes 2000 - 4000 / week. After several years of college I don't make 4k a week, but then again, even if I could improve my economic situation, my personal moral compass wouldn't allow me to what she does. Perhaps she needs to read the bible more. What was it again?? Thou shall not steal?? Thou shall not bear false witness?? - Stuff like that.

    With 80% or more of all e-mail being spam, the signal to noise ratio is heading south fast. To stop spam you have to stop spammers.

    Here is the towns website
    http://www.slidell.la.us

    Now can any one let me know which provider provides this type of person with access? I have some IP blocks to add to my blacklist.

    According to information -
    Flo Fox - Slidell LA
    985 646 2225

    I don't know if that number is correct - but it's publically listed.

    AngryPeopleRule [angrypeoplerule.com]
  • Anyone with a little technical know-how and $1,000 for a computer and some e-mail addresses can become a spammer -- and with jobs hard to come by, many do.

    I don't know about most people, but isn't this business model just too too tempting ? The act of spamming, by whatever name, is here to stay. And the fact of the matter is that when the Big Boys move in they will edge out the small time spammers. United States set to Legalize Spamming on 1 January 2004 [spamhaus.org] http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=150 Spam by Any Other name will not sound so Odius.

    Frankly, I hear the same thing about how much crap there is on TV - but is anyone really doing anything about reducing the crap on it today ? Why because it is the Big Five or Six Companies that control it ....

    As Fox sees it, she is no different from those who barrage mailboxes with catalogs from Lands' End or Pottery Barn.

    Here I do disagree. Land's End spends hundreds of thousands designing and illustrating it's catalogs so that they can entice the customer to buy. The spammers don't do any such thing, and their main goal is to design the messages so that it evades the spam filters - that is why the strange characters and mangled words ...

    Someday, when the Big Companies start designing Spam with Mega-Budgets, and they can make the eye candy hypnotizing like it is on TV, I am sure few people will complain. I know many people who will spend hours watching nothing on TV, and occasionally complain about it - but then do nothing.

    Diversion and Delusion is the Opium of the masses.

    • Of course the economics are tempting, because it is theft.

      The central issue is not whether endusers are annoyed by spam; there are mostly effective technical solutions.

      The difference between advertising and spam could not be more startling: advertising makes free tv (for what its worth possible); on the other hand, spam increases the cost of internet service.

  • Dear Mrs. Fox, (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Unsolicited Commando ( 711252 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:21PM (#7719073) Homepage
    Dear Mrs. Fox, Please don't send any spam to taibmaps@astrobastards.net. Thanks! Yours truly,
  • by SysKoll ( 48967 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:34PM (#7719156)
    From the article: A list of e-mail addresses is a spammer's stock in trade, far more valuable than hardware.

    So the obvious coutermeasure to spam is to make stolen addresses worthless.

    Use spamgourmet [spamgourmet.com] and only give disposable addresses to businesses, web sites, forums and friends running Windows.

  • by WCityMike ( 579094 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @03:47PM (#7719250)
    If you do call Flo after reading this comment [slashdot.org], you might want to quote some Scripture at her, since she's got the whole "WWJD?" thing going.

    Acts 13:10. "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?"

    Matthew 19:19. "Jesus replied, 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

    John 10:1. "[T]he man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber." (It's a slight stretch, but it's a little applicable.)

    Mark 4:18-19. "Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful."

    Matthew 19:23-24. "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

    Revelations 3:16-17. "So, because you are lukewarm -- neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked."

    1 Timothy 6:17. "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment."

    Might want to tell her to read her Bible a little more carefully.

    If she tells you, "The Devil can quote Scripture to his purpose," then point out that that's Shakespeare [rhymezone.com] (Merchant of Venice, Act I, Scene iii), not Holy Writ.

    (However, if Satan's on the Internet, Bible.Gospelcom.Net [gospelcom.net] would sure let him do it.)

    • I thought the old grammar nazi needed an update, so here i present the theology nazi:

      If she tells you, "The Devil can quote Scripture to his purpose," then point out that that's Shakespeare

      Yes, but it's a biblical principle nonetheless - see Matthew 4,1-11 [gospelcom.net]

      the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:

      " 'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will li

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 14, 2003 @04:14PM (#7719478)
    A1 E Services is Bruce Connelly and Flo Fox aka Mrs. Bruce Connelly.

    A1E_Services (NETBLK-BRW-5021-A1ESERVICES)
    1711 West Hall Ave
    Slidell, LA 70460
    US

    Netname: BRW-5021-A1ESERVICES
    Netblock: 67.96.78.0 - 67.96.79.255

    Coordinator:
    Hostmaster (ZB13-ARIN) hostmaster@broadwing.com
    512-427-3700

    Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

    NS3.BROADWING.NET 216.140.16.252
    NS4.BROADWING.NET 216.140.17.252

    Connelly, Bruce (BC891-ARIN) a1esupport@aol.com
    A1E SERVICES
    1711 W Hall Avenue
    Slidell, LA 70460
    (504) 649 - 6248

    http://www.sec.state.la.us/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtl& rq sdta=34331685D

    34331685D
    Name: FOXC, INC.
    Type Entity: Business Corporation
    Status: Active
    Domicile Address: 1711 WEST HALL AVENUE, SLIDELL, LA 70460
    Incorporated: 05/19/1989 | Effective: 05/17/1989
    Registered Agent (Appointed 5/19/1989): FLORENCE F. FOX, 1711 WEST
    HALL AVENUE, SLIDELL, LA 70460
    Officer(s)/Director(s): FLORENCE F. FOX | CAROLYN J. FREDERICK |
    BRUCE
    D. CONNELLY
    Incorporator(s): FLORENCE F. FOX
  • by transient ( 232842 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @04:44PM (#7719713)
    I have only this to say: WWJD? JWSTFU.
  • Who is her ISP? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Doppler00 ( 534739 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @05:09PM (#7719933) Homepage Journal
    I noticed the article mentions she pays $1000 a month for her internet connection, but through WHICH company, and why has that company not taken the responsibility to withdraw her account for abuse? I don't care how much you pay a month to your ISP, if you're using your service in an abusive manner such as spam it should be taken away from you.

    Anyone have any info on her internet provider? There should really be laws against allowing this behavior at all in the U.S.
    • Re:Who is her ISP? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Do you really think an ISP is going to lose a $1000/month customer just because you don't like being inconvenienced? Technically, she is not breaking any laws in her state. Unless you're really putting a burden on your ISP, they could really care less what you use your connection for so long as it doesn't attract the attention of the long arm of the law.

      Spammers have quite a few things to worry about. Being cut off by their provider is not one of them.

  • by nigelo ( 30096 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @05:12PM (#7719951)
    I have two accounts on Hotmail that usually get 30-50 spam messages a day.

    Now, 3 messages in each, total, for the last two days.

    Did MS finally start filtering this stuff out?
  • by infolib ( 618234 ) on Sunday December 14, 2003 @05:27PM (#7720063)
    See it here [209.157.64.200]

    Wouldn't that make it pretty easy getting a verified address?

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