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Head Of ATF To Direct RIAA Anti-Piracy 554

plasmastate writes "Via Fox News: Bradley A. Buckles, the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, is moving over to the RIAA to hunt down music pirates. And visions of David Koresh danced in their heads..."
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Head Of ATF To Direct RIAA Anti-Piracy

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  • Phear! (Score:3, Funny)

    by dolo666 ( 195584 ) * on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:02PM (#7675957) Journal
    And our scene unfolds with Bradley A. Buckles, with a stormtrooper hitsquad of RIAA goons...

    Buckles (over blowhorn): "YOU MUSIC WHORING PIRATES, SEND THE MP3s AND OGGs OUT FIRST OR WE'LL BURN YOUR COMMUNIST MUSIC SHARING COMPOUNDS TO THE GROUND, WOMEN AND CHILDREN [cnn.com] BE DAMNED!!!!" ... and the war on freedom rages on.
    • Yay more fucking crazy people in change of shit in the US. Who is next the head of the NSA moving over to run the MPAA? THE END IN NEAR REPENT YOUR SINS
    • Re:Phear! (Score:5, Funny)

      by StarOwl ( 131464 ) <starowl-dotslash@@@triskele...com> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @10:38PM (#7676745) Homepage
      Remember folks, a self-built wooden shack does not make a good server room. (Federal motto: walk softly and carry a big flamethrower.)
  • by i_want_you_to_throw_ ( 559379 ) * on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:02PM (#7675958) Journal
    Think about this... you have to nab the head of a religious cult who is known to leave his compound on occasion. Remember that this megalomaniac (like many others) has preached that the government will try to bring your beloved, heavily armed, community to an apocolyptic end. So you make the decision to attack on the Sabbath, at the heavily armed compound when you know there are children there sending several of your agents to their death because you thought it was going to be a cakewalk.

    Exactly the kind of incompetance that you can now expect from the RIAA. Not that they were competant before.
    • Furthermore, what crime was David Koresh guilty of? Are you ready for the answer? Failing to pay taxes on 2 machine guns.

      I don't agree with religious nuts (or "White Sepratists"), but i disagree with a gov't that would attack it's own people on trumped up charges (like claiming child abuse and illegal drug manufacturing). It's not a coincidence that Terry McVeigh bombed Oklahoma City on April 19th, the anniversary of the Waco massacre.

      • by Minna Kirai ( 624281 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:41PM (#7676300)
        Furthermore, what crime was David Koresh guilty of? Are you ready for the answer? Failing to pay taxes on 2 machine guns.

        It was more than that. They had a quarter million $ in unpaid bills outstanding. Even the real estate they were sitting on was no longer theirs.

        None of that's a serious or violent crime, of course.
        • by Beer_Smurf ( 700116 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @10:00PM (#7676462) Homepage
          And what does the ATF have to do with unpaid bills? You are talking about after the fact justifications.
        • by penguin7of9 ( 697383 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @10:25PM (#7676652)
          Thousands of dot-com millionaire wannabes in Silicon Valley were in the same situation when their stock became worthless, owing hundreds of thousands of dollars to the IRS, hundreds of thousands of dollars to creditors, and losing their million dollar homes. The ATF didn't go out and laid siege to any of them.

          A quarter of a million dollars in unpaid bills is peanuts these days, and lots of people squat on land they don't own. It's generally up to the creditors and the land owners to try to enforce their rights themselves.
      • by Ralph Wiggam ( 22354 ) * on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @10:05PM (#7676502) Homepage
        That's total bullshit. Taxes? Koresh had three outstanding warrants for statutory rape involving several 14 and 15 year old girls. He used his interpretation of the Song of Solomon to convince young girls there to have sex with him. That's low.

        It's too bad that little kids died. They didn't choose to stand behind Koresh.

        -B

      • It's not a coincidence that Terry McVeigh bombed Oklahoma City on April 19th, the anniversary of the Waco massacre

        It's not a coincidence either that Osama Bin Laden crashed two airliners into the Towers on September 11th, the 20th anniversary of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine shooters.

        And is it really a coincidence that George Walker Bush toppled the Iraqi government on April 9th, the 21th anniversary of Eric Harris, the other Columbine shooter?

        Oh, and Timothy (his first name was Timothy, not Terry

    • You know, I think i will waste some karma.

      The US government current base of power in world politics is that it can and will destroy anything that gets in the way of US desires. It frankly established this authority by being the only country to ever drop an atomic bomb on another country. To this day it has maintained this power by showing little mercy to people, countries, or other forces that do not tow that US line.

      There are some people that want to challenge this authority directly. These people b

      • The idea that some group of people could win against such a government is as silly as the idea that a well armed local militia is important to the defense of this country. Such a militia did absolutely no good on 911.

        9/11 happened because there was no 'well armed local militia' present on the planes. Everyone is required to give their guns up before they board the plane. If good people had been allowed to bring their weapons onto the plane, the hijackers (who did not have concealed carry permits nor would

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:03PM (#7675962)
    Seems somewhat appropriate.
  • Well.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:03PM (#7675966) Homepage Journal

    .. look at the bright side, while his jackboots are busy stomping out piracy, the world will again be safe for boozers, smokers and gun collectors.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:04PM (#7675978)
    Buckles' retirement is effective Jan. 3. No replacement was immediately named.

    I heard they have Himmler on ice. I think he'd feel right at home.
  • oh man (Score:4, Funny)

    by CAIMLAS ( 41445 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:04PM (#7675982)
    Oh man, this is quite a bad turn of events! ... for gun owners.

    Now gun owners get the bad publicity and rep of the RIAA via remote association.
  • by Clever Pun ( 729719 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:05PM (#7675990) Journal
    ...is this something to worry about? Or should I be sadly shaking my head at the RIAA's ever-more-pathetic attempts to crack down on a technology they don't understand?
    • Well, the guy has had long standing tenure at the ATF:

      his ATF Bio [atf.gov]

      But in all honesty, his presence should neither make someone worry more or less. More notably at this moment it would seem to just be a change in strategy (as what happens when different controlers take the wheel). We will see more Lawsuits, but perhaps in directions we haven't seen yet. I don't know a great deal about this guy, but it seems at though he is just like any other in that position, the only thing different will be his game plan.
    • by fishbonez ( 177041 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @10:45PM (#7676805)
      Generally former government officials are hired for the easy access they have to government officials. They have lots of connections and are able to effective lobby in the area where they formerly worked.

      I'm not the tinfoil hat type but this hiring raises some serious questions about the RIAA's strategy. If they had hired from the Justice Department, it would be a continuation of their current strategy of suing people.

      But hiring from an agency involved in policing and undercover operations may signal a significant strategy change. Perhaps they will be lobbying for the government to take policing actions. That is, the kick down the "criminal's" door and seize their computer type. Alright that last sentence was a little tinfoil hat like. But my point is that the RIAA may be looking for the government to undertake the task of tracking down file sharers and filing criminal cases instead of civil ones.

  • by MikeDawg ( 721537 )

    If there has ever been one government department that I haven't cared for (excl. IRS), it would be the ATF. I think that the ATF is probably one of the more corrupt government agencies that we have, and it absolutely frightens me that the director of the ATF is now headed on over to the RIAA.

    I guess only the future will tell of what is going to happen with the RIAA, and their relentless battle against pirates.

    • by Jesrad ( 716567 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:13PM (#7676063) Journal
      It's funny that you compare the RIAA with Government departments. I think the RIAA has been a fully qualified Governmental insititution for a long time now. Think about it: they can lobby laws into existance, they have political and juridical influence, and above all they have had growing enforcement powers.

      But of course, being an association of sane, properly-american capitalist corporations, it ain't restricted the same way as official Government depts. *Cough* What do you call a government-endorsed monopoly already ?
    • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:59PM (#7676445) Journal
      Frankly, I think the United States suffers from considerable corruption in all of its upper-levels of "law enforcement related" divisions.

      The FBI, for example, has been bungling up cases left and right - but we largely seem to ignore it or excuse it as "honest mistakes anyone could have made". I mean, look at the recent case with the random shootings in the Northeastern states. Their top criminal profilers all described the culprit completely wrong! They've wasted large amounts of time and money chasing after such minor things as "illegal warez distribution" on computer bulletin board systems and the Internet. They seem to have a bloodlust for anyone remotely possibly doing anything somewhat related to child porn, too - and there's a really *good* chance lots of innocent people are sitting in prisons around the country right now over their overzealousness in this area.

      The ATF, of course, has done a number of inexcusable things - including raids at night on the *wrong house address*, and stomping on people's pets and killing them as part of their searches for people and drugs. The Waco thing was simply the most televised fiasco of theirs, but far from the exception to the rule of how they manage to overstep their bounds and screw things up.

      There is, of course, plenty of reason to suspect the CIA of doing very questionable things too -- but by their nature, it's harder to pinpoint them most of the time.

      The old saying, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." certainly holds true.
  • I for one have always equated the RIAA with alcohol, tobacco, and guns.
  • Will we laugh... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Azadre ( 632442 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:07PM (#7676014)
    Will we laugh at ourselves 50 years from now as we Americans do when we had the communist witch trials? Is it possible we shouldn't say that it is downloaders that is killing CD sales as it might be people have finished replacing their collections, artists are getting in general worse and more shrink-wrapped, and finally true piracy done by organized crime(ie Mafia style business)?
  • So... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Comatose51 ( 687974 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:08PM (#7676019) Homepage
    Now instead of getting a threatening letter in the mail, 14 years downloading music gets to be roasted alive as ATF agents try to put the computer into sleep mode but it bursts in to flames instead.
  • A turn of events (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Airconditioning ( 639167 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:08PM (#7676020) Journal
    Instead of notice letters given to the wrong people, you now could get a SWAT team knocking down the door of the wrong house. That will go down well with the public!
  • Alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and now the RIAA.
    This guy is a fucking scumbucket.
    What's next, head of the CIA?
  • Freeze! (Score:4, Funny)

    by KidSock ( 150684 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:11PM (#7676049)
    Put down the mouse and put your hands on the monitor. Do it now!
  • Wow (Score:2, Insightful)

    Let's add another reason to the list of why I'm glad that US laws have no effect in Canada...
  • by John Seminal ( 698722 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:12PM (#7676056) Journal
    RIAA hires a guy who takes down cocian kings and dealers, and wepons guys to find a 13 year old on a P-to-P network for downloading something Lars demands money for? Who is the bad guy? What is next, paid militants from Germany?

    These guys are going to make Bill Gates look good. At least he tries to play the good cop and convince you he is selling a service. The RIAA is just a bully.

  • Considering (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Ironpoint ( 463916 )

    Considering that the RIAA is not a law enforcement agency or even a government entity, wouldn't they be doing a little bit better finding someone with some experience in civil suits. What can a former ATF director offer to this private organization?
  • What, next, will they get the nazi's after us? the SS? I got an idea, how about concentration camps for file users!

    Next, we'll all get to wear gold stars...
  • Great (Score:5, Funny)

    by cluge ( 114877 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:15PM (#7676085) Homepage
    ATF - Wonderful - weren't the first shots fired at the Koresh compound fired by an ATF agent shooting himself in the thigh?

    Judging by the reports that I have read, we can expect the following healines soon.

    ATF RAIDS HOME
    (ATF press release) In an effort to stamp out musical piracy, which leads to terrorism - the ATF today raided the home of Amanda Johnson (age 12) and her brother brad (age 9). Both pirates were taken down. One of the pirates was shot in the raid when he attacked the ATF agents with a fluid projectile weapon. The ATF agent is expected to make a full recovery, while the pirate is listed in stable but critical condition.

    "We're just trying to protect our American way of life", said Butch Howitzer. "These pirates are destroying the ability of the RIAA to run a good monopoly, besides, if this piracy thing gets out of hand we might actually have to pay artists. Ticketmaster and the record label executives can't afford this. Lets be honest, the money these pirates steal prevents a record executive from getting the thereapy they need every day."

    AngryPeopleRule [angrypeoplerule.com]
  • If they extend ATF protection to music, then they should extend protection to email inboxes and software piracy. Now, while money is wasted kicking down college dorm doors, inboxes are flooded, software is stolen, all without the slightest bit of federal worry...

    SOBs.

    Wait a sec... Is there a way to perhaps require music to be attached to email? Like, you allow people to download your music off your website with the proviso they attach it to any emails they send, (doesn't have to be much, a midi file doi
  • by 3ryon ( 415000 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:19PM (#7676125)
    It turns out that Bradley A. Buckles wasn't their first choice, but Hannibal Lectur wasn't available.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Woopdeedoo. Another goon jumps ship from their "respective" positions onto the SS RIAA (You can decide for yourself is that is to signify a boat or "Schutzstaffel"). The end result?

    No significance whatsoever.

    The reality is Jesus Christ himself could be reborn, float above the skyscrapers of NYC and proclaim to the world "Oh, my children, those who doth pirate thine audio workings of thy peers shall suffer eternal damnation" and people would STILL download music.

    The solution? Stop being so goddamn comp
  • by painehope ( 580569 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:22PM (#7676149)
    sweetheart, why is there a fucking M1 Abrams on the front lawn?
  • by reverendG ( 602408 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:22PM (#7676155) Homepage
    Buckles, according to the article, was appointed as head of the ATF in 1999, long after the Waco incident, under President Clinton.

    The sort of problems that people are joking about us facing because of Buckles should be attributed to his predecessors, not him.

    Course, he did receive from Ashcroft, he can't be too clean.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Woo hoo! Now it'll be just as easy to get free music as it is to get weed.
  • by UltraSkuzzi ( 682384 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:31PM (#7676222) Homepage
    ATF lead: This must be the place. They've got all kinds of crazy stuff going on in there.
    ATF agent: [talks into a communicator] Code 7. We believe we have found the compound. Request immediate backup. [the ATF lead looks at the house again]
    Barbrady: [immediate indeed, appears in the lead's sights] Okay, so just what is going on here, people?
    ATF lead: Get down! [pulls him into position along with the others]
    Barbrady: What?
    ATF lead: It's just like we told you, officer! There's a religious cult in there that plans to commit mass suicide when the meteor shower starts. [resumes viewing, but is interrupted]
    Barbrady: Are you sure?
    ATF lead: Of course we're sure! [points out the initials on his cap] We're the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms! It's our job to know what these fanatics do!
    Barbrady: So what does the ATF do when religious fanatics are gonna commit mass suicide?
    ATF lead: Oh, don't worry! We won't let that happen! Even if it means we have to kill each and every one of them.
  • by Eponymous Coward ( 6097 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:34PM (#7676242)
    I always thought it was strange to have a federal agency dedicated to alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Other than being a part of any good camping trip, what do these three items have in common?
  • Here ya go! (Score:5, Funny)

    by pair-a-noyd ( 594371 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:36PM (#7676262)
    I told you THIS [rr.com] was coming a long time ago!
  • by TheWart ( 700842 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:37PM (#7676273)
    As unpalatable the actions of the RIAA seem to be (suing low-income families etc), is this not what technologically-savvy people (read: slashdot posters) have asked for? The RIAA seems to be going after file sharers...and at this point, I don't think that the whole "I did not know it was illegal" argument flies anymore thanks to the large publicity.

    While the RIAA is making pirates into veritable Robin Hoods who look pitiful when the lawsuit comes in the mail, one is hard pressed to critisize them for protecting their copyrights.
  • by use_compress ( 627082 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:38PM (#7676275) Journal
    Now, driving while chewing tabacco, sipping on a pint jack, listening to pirated Billy Ray Cyprus and shooting at the occasional road sign will all be covered under the same agency.
  • by bobbozzo ( 622815 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:39PM (#7676283)
    So, are they planning to maintain their "shoot on sight" [cnn.com] rules a la Ruby Ridge?
  • Dance... party... takes... away... Waco!
  • ...its a great way for artists that does not have a major record company in the back to pay for tv ads etc. I for one am buying a lot more records since i started downloading files on soulseek, mostly because Im able to discover a lot more good artists. instead of futile resistance the market must adopt to new technology. the days of record company behemoths are numbered. interesting article on non-piracy reasons for declining sales [soundandvisionmag.com]
  • by Wardish ( 699865 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @09:51PM (#7676387) Journal

    Perhaps off topic, but of interest none the less.

    I suspect we should be more concerned with who the fellows replacement will be. Although the RIAA might like to conduct personal raids they don't yet have the legal right to do so.

    The ATF on the other hand not only does but has a nice long history of being a bit heavy handed.

    Regardless of which side of the various debates you weigh in on most reasonable people will admit that those we entrust with enforcing the laws SHOULD be held to a higher standard of conduct and a higher level of public oversight.

    O.K. Calling the attendants to turn up my thorazine drip now...
    • Or how about the "buddy system" where good 'ole Brad calls in favors from local law enforcement to help him deal with those pesky music theives? That's the concern that I have, and I can totally see it happening. I mean come on, most Police Department are like good 'ole boy networks anyway, what makes anyone think the feds are any different. The shitty thing is that he's "retiring" from the ATF (meaning he gets his pension) PLUS I'm sure he'll be taking a crazy salary from the industry group. And yet they'r
  • by poopie ( 35416 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @10:27PM (#7676663) Journal
    NEWS: MAE-West, one of the nation's key switching facilities for Internet connectivity, was completely destroyed by 500 pounds of Energel explosive after confirmation of a rumor that one of the routers in there was being used to send MP3 files to the dreaded user@KaZaA

    "I believe that we have stopped to illegal tranfer of copyrighted materials in the most effective and timely manner possible", stated Bradley A. Buckles, head of the Anti-Piracy Unit of the Recording Industry Association of America and former director of the ATF.

    "It is truly unfortunate that half of the US now has to go on without internet access just because of the actions of a few unscrupulous file traders" Buckles continues, "File swapping really does hurt everyone."

    MAE-West was one of two major network traffic exchange points in the United States. The other, MAE-East, is in Vienna, Virginia.

    When asked about MAE-East, Buckles said, "We'll blow that up too, if it turns out that kazaaliteuser@KaZaA is using that for illegal file sharing."

    The RIAA now is pleased to announce in partnership with AT&T and PG&E the formal unveiling of "MediaNet". MediaNet is a network that connects your electrical system with the sewer system to form a massive computer network that can be billed per election transferred. Additionally, packet headers are decoded to determine to origin of traffic and impose any and all necessary foreign and domestic tarrifs and taxes.

    We will be installing new meters alongside the ones you already have and you will be billed automatically for the webpages you access. MP3 ID3 tags are automatically read and you will be charged "fair market value" for any files transferred. When copyrighted images or sound clips load, users will also be charged "fair market value" for a single use right to view and hear them.

    We believe that MediaNet will be a great success and will provide millions of homes and businesses with a valuable metered internet lifeline.

    MediaNet service is a mandatory addition to your current utilities. Basic use fees will start at $50/month*

    * Basic use fees do not include state data tax, universal MediaNet tax, interstate data transfer surcharge, or billing meter rental fees.
  • by Petronius ( 515525 ) on Tuesday December 09, 2003 @11:38PM (#7677121)
    Frankly, this is good news. Look at what happened to alcohol. They might outlaw filesharing for a while, but it the end we'll win.

    Private FTP servers = the new speakeasies?

    Cheers, mate!
  • by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Wednesday December 10, 2003 @01:45AM (#7677813)
    Bradley A. Buckles arrives at the RIAA just in time to tackle the problem of finding P2P users located within the 21124 square miles (82^2*Pi) surrounding every WiFi point in America. (New WiFi distance record. [slashdot.org])
  • by alizard ( 107678 ) <alizard.ecis@com> on Wednesday December 10, 2003 @04:36AM (#7678438) Homepage
    Since people are vigorously arguing about copyright infringement and theft instead of what it means to have a law-enforcement official from an agency known for it's . . . unusual practices, I thought I'd throw some actual content into the discussion, as unwelcome as RIAA shills might find it.

    128K MP3s as uploaded to P2P networks are substantially identical to the 128K MP3s which provide the content you hear on analog FM radio. In fact, using a tuner card, you can even record them back to 128K MP3s and store them on your hard drive, just as you can record them to analog cassette tape and trade them to your friends.

    The difference between listening via download or FM radio?

    There is no proof that 128K MP3s are more effective or less effective in promoting the sale of CDs whether broadcast over the radio or downloaded from the Internet. The same set of ears decides based on them whether or not to buy the CD or not. The latest Eminem album was "pre-released" unofficially over P2P a month before official release at record stores. Because of this, customers who wanted to hear it at better than 128K MP3 quality were ready to buy as soon as the CDs hit retail and it immediately hit #1.

    What did Eminem lose from the "theft" of his music? Nobody associated with the RIAA or any record label has explained this to us, and I've heard no complaints from Eminem about this.

    In fairness, Madonna's latest got pre-released and it tanked. However, Madonna has yet to explain why she thinks it wouldn't have gone into the dumper in the absence of pre-release via the Net.

    One difference? FM radio stations are paid by RIAA labels to carry music promotional content, while via P2P, listeners host the music on servers at their own expense and transfer the music at their own bandwidth expense.

    Another difference? Getting digital content via FM radio is legal. Getting the identical content via the Internet isn't.

    Why?

    The *AA companies bought off a shitload of politicians openly through campaign contributions to make the law that way.

    Why would the *AA companies want to cut one promo distribution channel that the listeners pay for instead of them?

    Effectively, only the RIAA companies have access to FM as a music promotional channel. The indie musicians and labels are priced out of the market. The indie musicians and labels can afford to distribute promotional tracks via P2P. That's why the RIAA has done its best to destroy P2P and Internet Radio in the hands of individuals and small organizations.

    I don't mind protecting the legitimate rights of artists to profit from their work in the least. However, I have no interest in interfering with the ability of indie artists to promote their work via the Internet, and less than no interest in wasting taxpayer money to prop up the obsolete and dying business model of the RIAA and soon, the MPAA member companies.

    What about PIRACY!!!?

    128K MP3s are promotional giveaways of no intrinsic value. The product is the physical CD, and that's what people pay for.. Counterfeit CDs of anything you can find in a record stores are available in Asia, pressed at Asian CD manufacturing facilities and sold openly all over Asia and in some cases, even in the USA. If the *AA really wanted to stop PIRACY!!!, they'd be pressuring US politicians to stop the manufacture of counterfeit CDs in Asia. There are many kinds of pressure the US government could be putting on Asian governments to stop this. Why isn't this happening? Ask Hilary Rosen yourself.

    If you want to call P2P and Internet Radio theft, be my guest, but please smash your FM radio over your head first.

    • by wobblie ( 191824 ) on Wednesday December 10, 2003 @10:17AM (#7679998)
      Yes you make good points, and the important thing to realize is that this never had anything to do with money, and the RIAA knows it. That's just an excuse so lots of us can waste our time trying to prove that it isn't making them lose money. That's a losing battle; they can show congress any made up power point crap they want and it will seem believeable enough.

      The real reason is they fear losing control over the distribution of media and control over artists and fans alike. P2P forces them to realize that their partnerships, contracts and lawyers aren't and never were neccessary and that no one -least of all artists - needs any of them.
  • by tacocat ( 527354 ) <tallison1@t[ ].rr.com ['wmi' in gap]> on Wednesday December 10, 2003 @06:42AM (#7678815)

    Well... steal is such a harsh word, I prefer something different. But I'll get to that later on.

    Why P2P music and more?

    When I was in my upper teen and college years I had a great interest in music. I had a very wide range of music interests that covered several types of classical music, rock, jazz, country (a little), and a whole variety of music forms that didn't even have a name yet. I think now they're lumped into the New-Age acid jazz something or other...

    But I would learn about this music by cruising halls in the dorms listening to what other people where playing and checking out music collections of friends of mine.

    And stuff I liked I could buy at the local store for anywhere from $2 to $10 in circa 1985.

    Fast forward 18 years.

    I don't live in a dorm anymore so it's hard to hear other peoples stereos. But I do listen to the radio. Have you? Do you know what's on the radio? Considering it's all owned by one company, ClearChannel the selection is limited to approximately four groups: Classic Rock, Rock - which is really just Pop, Country - which is a bastardization of Rock, and Rap. Flame on if you want, but make sure you've been listening to music for >30 years first.

    Now for every station that is in one of these catagories, there are a list of songs (heard of Top 40?) that are played on a regular basis. This frequency is such that by the time I get home on Tuesday I know the lyrics of all the songs that came out on Monday.

    Kind of limited on my selections of music that are available through public means of acquisitiion. Meaning, in order to seek music legally, I am limited to very narrow vectors of music.

    So, I go to the music stores to seek my wide range of music. Guess what I find there? The same shit that I heard on the way over and now it's running better than $20 a pop. I actually tried to just buy a CD based on a precious small sample I heard once. It lasted about 3 hours before I threw it out. CD music is too expensive to purchase on the basis of, "Maybe this will be good to listen to". Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a better way of doing it.

    So, where does that leave us?

    • The amount of available music today, using public media means of delivery are severely limited to a few narrow vectors.
    • Of the music that is played, it is played ad nauseum.
    • Of the music that exists and is not played on public media systems, it is not available by any other means
    • Music that is sold in stores is a reflection of that same music that is played on the radio.

    Conclusion: If you want to explore the world of music, publicly available radio stations and music stores will not provide you with anything better than cattle food. If you want to find more variety, the only place you might find it is in P2P music community. To date, there is no better medium through which to experience a variety of music and find what you really like.

    For my tastes, P2P is a great place to borrow music to learn what I like. Then I can make a more targeted attempt to get the music via the internet rather than getting it through the likes of Best Buy (which won't ever happen because they have no selection).

    Unfortunately, all this RIAA activity is simply causing me to try new things like:

    • Drive to work without the chatter of the radio all the time
    • Live with a much smaller, and better selected group of CD's.
    • Basically, learn to get by without as much music in my daily life. It's becoming a background noise like Television is to many.
  • Wait a minute... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tacocat ( 527354 ) <tallison1@t[ ].rr.com ['wmi' in gap]> on Wednesday December 10, 2003 @06:49AM (#7678835)

    Aren't these the same guys that were so successful in Waco, TX; Ruby Ridge, and don't forget their best success in history -- prohibition!!!

    So, when are we actually going to get around to boycotting all radio and music sales in America?

    There is no way in hell any of this will ever change until there is a concerted effort to make a point to them. Not buying music will not work.

    Sure the music industry took a dump almost to the day they shut down napster. But they blamed it on illegal music sharing, not a fact of the music buyers just lost their single best means of identifying what they want to buy. Why? Because no body told them in clear terms.

    If you want to get through to RIAA/MPAA then it's going to be a matter of boycott, boycott, boycott. Make it political, make it public, make it noticable, make it known.

    Personally, I do not intend on purchasing a HDTV simply because that media will no longer allow me to record television shows.

    I have been so overwhelmed with commercials that it's easier for me to learn how to not watch TV and not listen to the Radio than to put up with the constant babble.

    I suggest we all give it a try, but do it all at once under a concerted boycotting effort.

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