Congress Expands FBI Powers 954
Dave writes "Well, since the Patriot Act II never got off the ground, looks like Congress has done the Justice Department a favor, according to Wired News, and added in some of the most controversial provisions into a non-descript intelligence spending bill. Now the FBI can subpoena information about you from practically any business or organization - without approval or permission from a judge, and with a gag order on the targeted organization. These spending bills are generally considered confidential and usually are not subject to public debate, so despite the far-reaching implications of these new powers, it's not being publicized like the Patriot Act was. Time to get out my patriotic hat and pin before it's too late."
Whigs (Score:1, Informative)
Re:who can stop this? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:who can stop this? (Score:5, Informative)
You can stop it: +1, Patriotic (Score:1, Informative)
the Liars [whitehouse.org]
Very patriotically yours,
Kilgore Trout
What you can do about it (Score:5, Informative)
ii) Join the ACLU.
iii) Convince your employer to destroy all non-essential records of employee or customer transactions.
iv) vote, and convince all of your friends to vote, in the next federal election cycle.
v) If all else fails, vote with your feet. Canada is close by.
Timely (Score:5, Informative)
Given this recent revelation [smh.com.au], I'm sure everyone is ready to trust the FBI with greater power and lesser accountability:)
It's really a shame though. I know a lot of the people working there are quite professional and care about doing a good job and protecting the Constitution of the United States, the ideals that make America a good place.
But after the legacy of Hoover misusing the agency many decades ago, evidently missing the boat on predicting the 9/11 catastrophe, the last thing they need is this kind of power handed to them by higher ups. Those superiors are political appointees with a vision for enforcement that shares more with authoritarian states than with the principles America was founded upon.
If I was a mid-level bureaucrat in the FBI, I'd make efforts to establish accountability policies, citizen review boards, etc. even if the current administration doesn't think they're necessary.
If they don't this, then they can be assured of getting tarred and feather during Congressional hearings 5-10 years from now, much like what happened to the CIA in the late 1970's.
Re:Time to move to Canada... (Score:3, Informative)
Now, having glanced through the article, there is not even a show of the vote. Are you going to tell me that every member of the Congress who voted for this is in a conspiracy with the Executive Branch?
Re:who can stop this? (Score:3, Informative)
(Just FYI: While a little less than 50% voted, it only took 17% of eligible voters to actually elect the President)
Re:Very nice. (Score:2, Informative)
No, make that 228 years (Declaration of Independence). No, wait, make that 2000 years (?, well, whenever Bhudda was around). I'm sure it goes back even further, too.
Re:Vote for Republicans. (Score:2, Informative)
Just wanted to note that it was directy modeled on it, and then directly addressed the problems that the supreme court said were problems.
Re:Conservatives Sell Out Again (Score:3, Informative)
I suppose the Smurfs and Dr. Evil also figure in somehow to this vast cauldron of deception and subversion too, eh? I mean, if they can hide such a large operation for that long, they can surely integrate fictional evil scientists and blue midgets too, right?
Hee.
Re:who can stop this? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:who can stop this? (Score:3, Informative)
Plus New Hampshire is the new home of the libertarian Free State Project.
Re:More? (Score:3, Informative)
Think I'm kidding? It happened [pmachinehosting.com] in the southern part of my state. Indiana is very very very right wing, so this doesn't surprise me. I had to move to Indy to get away from the bible beating do-as-we-say-or-go-to-hell crowd.
yeah, I like hyphens, they're fun.
Re:This is blown way out of proportion (Score:1, Informative)
And besides all of the individuals that have been kept in prison without a trial since 9/11?
I'd say that the number of violations of private citizen's rights is quite a bit higher than zero.
Not True - Kucinich (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/patriot_act.php [kucinich.us]
First and foremost (Score:2, Informative)
I had a conversation about this several months ago with my father, aunt, uncle and some others. These are not stupid people by any stretch, but they could not believe what I was telling them in regards to these sorts of things. They were uninformed on this topic. I simply forwarded them links to text and analysis of the PATRIOT act, DMCA and a few other gems. Next time I talked to them they all agreed that it was bad news, really bad news. It definitely has given a new view of our current government.
Put the information out there and get people to see it - that's the kind of thing that will result in change. And it's something you can do yourself on a person by person basis.
Want to expatriate?? Escape Artist (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Hmm... weren't the Lutherans Nazi cheerleaders? (Score:2, Informative)
"Martin Niemoeller was a Protestant pastor born January 14, 1892, in Lippstadt, Westphalia. He was a submarine commander in World War I. He was anti-communist and initially supported the Nazis until the church was made subordinate to state authority.
In 1934, he started the Pastors' Emergency League to defend the church. Hitler became angered by Niemoeller's rebellious sermons and popularity and had him arrested on July 1, 1937. He was tried the following year and sentenced to seven months in prison and fined.
After his release, Hitler ordered him arrested again. he spent the next seven years in concentration camps in "protective custody." He was liberated in 1945 and was elected President of the Protestant church in Hesse and Nassau in 1947. He held the title until 1964. He was also a President of the World Council of Churches in the 1960's.
Niemoeller was a pacifist who spoke out against nuclear weapons. He is best known for his powerful statement about the failure of Germans to speak out against the Nazis:
"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."
He died in Wiesbaden on March 6, 1984. "
References for Intelligence Authorization Act (Score:3, Informative)
Since it took me more than a few minutes to find the part of the bill everyone's excited about, here's a pointer:
In the Conference Report, the change to the definition of financial institution is in Title III, Subtitle E (Sec. 374), which begins on page 76 of the PDF. The explanatory statement for that Section begins on page 112 of the PDF.
The Section in question is really just a reference to another Section of United States Code. On top of that, the PDF of this report is not searchable (it's a scanned image). Do we have an award for Information Obfuscation in Government? Why can't we at least have these reports in hypertext, with live links to the referenced laws?
Re:Insightful? thats not ebven the right quote (Score:2, Informative)
From Merriam-Webster:
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Nazism is commonly refered to as National Socialism. By definition, the take over of private sector economies and services is socialism, whether it is done by force, democratic process or defacto part of the societal construct.
More to the point socialism is more of a economic construct then an authority construct. Socialism can and does flurish under different authority constructs, as does capitolism.
Mostly pure capitalism + Democratic Repulic
The form of government around in the US/UK during the industrial revolution prior to labor movments. Business was king, sweat shops were common, an curruption was common place.
Socialism + Authoritarian Rule (Single dictator/Ruling elite):
Nazi Germany/Facsist Italy(circa late 1930s thru mid 1940s)/Most brands of Communism
Capitalism + Authoritarian Rule (usually ruling elite):
Most modern theocracies and true monarchies (UK doesn't count since its monarchy is only a state head and does not rule the UK).
Socialism/Capitalism mix + Democratic Republic:
Most western forms of government. Most are much more Socialist then say the US, but it is a sccialist society, no matter what the republicans say..:-)
Most disagreements over what socialism is, comes from a disageement about the side entrees that could come with socialism. There are more then just democraic vs authoritarian, and my catagorizations are prolly not 100% correct, but they make the point.
In general, socialism/capitolism mix and Democratic Republics work really well together since they can protect the public at large from the psudo ruling elite that is created by from capitalsim, but provide enough insentive for people to be productive members of socities.
Bill number and link to text (Score:2, Informative)
The DOJ lied. (Score:1, Informative)