Brill's Contentious ID Card 331
pwackerly writes "The New York Times (illegal kidney sale required) is running a story on a private venture funded by the man behind CourtTV to sell ID cards that let you bypass security, both national (airports) and private (your business's lobby). Outside of the standard national ID concerns, now we'd have to worry about a terrorist stealing our super-secret ID from our wallet. Don't these people learn anything from reading 'Mostly Harmless?'"
Bypass Card (Score:5, Funny)
Of course they do (Score:5, Funny)
Of course they did, they learned how to bilk gullible people out of money...
Mostly Harmless and the Ident-i-Eeze (Score:5, Funny)
`I'll do the jokes,' snarled Ford.
`No,' said [Vann Harl, editor-in-chief]. `You will do the restaurant column.'
He tossed a piece of plastic onto the desk in front of him. Ford did not move to pick it up.
`You what?' said Ford.
[...]
.
[Harl] `Every possible position of every possible electron balloons out into billions of probabilities! Billions and billions of shining, gleaming futures! You know what that means?'
[Ford Prefect] `You're dribbling down your chin.'
[...]
[Harl]`Excuse me,' he said, `but this gets me so excited.' Ford handed him his towel. `This is the most radical, dynamic and thrusting business venture in the entire multidimensional infinity of space/time/probability ever.'
`And you want me to be its restaurant critic,' said Ford.
`We would value your input.'
`Kill!' shouted Ford. He shouted it at his towel.
The towel leapt up out of Harl's hands.
This was not because it had any motive force of its own, but because Harl was so startled at the idea that it might. The next thing that startled him was the sight of Ford Prefect hurtling across the desk at him fists first. In fact Ford was just lunging for the credit card, but you don't get to occupy the sort of position that Harl occupied in the sort of organisation in which Harl occupied it without developing a healthily paranoid view of life. He took the sensible precaution of hurling himself backwards, and striking his head a sharp blow on the rocket-proof glass, then subsided into a series of worrying and highly personal dreams.
Ford lay on the desk, surprised at how swimmingly everything had gone. He glanced quickly at the piece of plastic he now held in his hand -- it was a Dine-O-Charge credit card with his name already embossed on it, and an expiry date two years from now, and was possibly the single most exciting thing Ford had ever seen in his life -- then he clambered over the desk to see to Harl.
He was breathing fairly easily. It occurred to Ford that he might breathe more easily yet without the weight of his wallet bearing down on his chest, so he slipped it out of Harl's breast pocket and flipped through it. Fair amount of cash. Credit tokens. Ultragolf club membership. Other club memberships. Photos of someone's wife and family -- presumably Harl's, but it was hard to be sure these days. Busy executives often didn't have time for a full-time wife and family and would just rent them for weekends.
Ha!
He couldn't believe what he'd just found.
He slowly drew out from the wallet a single and insanely exciting piece of plastic that was nestling amongst a bunch of receipts.
It wasn't insanely exciting to look at. It was rather dull in fact. It was smaller and a little thicker than a credit card and semi-transparent. If you held it up to the light you could see a lot of holographically encoded information and images buried pseudo-inches deep beneath its surface
It was an Ident-i-Eeze, and was a very naughty and silly thing for Harl to have lying around in his wallet, though it was perfectly understandable. There were so many different ways in which you were required to provide absolute proof of your identity these days that life could easily become extremely tiresome just from that factor alone, never mind the deeper existential problems of trying to function as a coherent consciousness in an epistemologically ambiguous physical universe. Just look at cash point machines, for instance. Queues of people standing around waiting to have their fingerprints read, their retinas scanned, bits of skin scraped from the nape of the neck and undergoing instant (or nearly instant -- a good six or seven seconds in tedious reality) genetic analysis, then having to answer trick questions about members of their family they didn't even remember they had, and about their recorded preferences for tablecloth colours. And that was just to get a bit of spare cash for the w
Someone tell David Blunkett (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Someone tell David Blunkett (Score:2, Insightful)
Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:2)
Re:Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:5, Interesting)
The total lack of anyone willing to fly under this system is what's gonna cut down the lines at the airport.
But at least Mr. Brill will be able to tell the FBI exactly who blew up the airplane.
Re:Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:3, Informative)
In fact, why don't we just forget this whole 9/11 thing, since it only affected about 3000 people and their families, and drop security alltogether?
Sounds good to me. Sure, 9/11 was a tragedy, but this security bullshit isn't going to help anything - by tunring a plane into a bomb, Osama and friends changed the rules of engagement. If you tried that today, the passengers would kill you before you touched down. 9/11 was a one-shot deal - the next attack will be something that we aren't protecting, like t
Re:Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:4, Interesting)
highway bridges...
railroads...
inland fuel delivery...
Probably countless others as well. Remember that barge/I-80 collision not too long ago? Imagine if that happened on a particularly busy holiday weekend. It wouldn't have the live coverage of an urban attack, but coordinated attacks on major interstate bridges would have quite an effect, since we rely on these bridges to get around. It would certainly affect trucking, which moves a good chunk of the goods that we use daily.
The recent problems with the fuel delivery pipeline to Phoenix proved that fuel delivery is very vulnerable to problems. People were panicking over it. They were attempting to fill every container they had with extra fuel, and if people had just kept buying gas like they normally had it probably wouldn't have been a problem. The populace itself caused the problem.
Railroads also do a lot of our long haul goods delivery, and I would imagine that it wouldn't be hard for that to be a problem. Heck, one person could probably drive around with the right tools, yanking spikes out of railroad ties, and cause a large scale catastrophie. We do send sensor cars over the railroad lines from time to time, but how long would it take for this to be a problem?
Much of our society is built on the honor system, assuming that people won't engage in civil disobedience. Also, we have rather severe penalties for those who break these pieces of infrastructure. Trouble is, terrorists have shown that they aren't concerned about personal ramifications. We'll just have to wait and see.
Re:Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:2)
Agreed; I'd rather everyone got box cutters than only the sociopaths who smuggled their own.
Re:Sounds like a great idea.. (Score:3, Informative)
They simply used the max allowable weapon they could get onboard.
Buying your way out is an equal rights problem (Score:5, Insightful)
And the same goes for people who claim that they should have it because they're frequent fliers -- that's just a way of abstracting the fact that you have a lot of money.
Any law should be applied as equally as possible, ESPECIALLY if the law is some national security measure that happens to be a major invasion of your privacy and a general pain in the ass like airport security.
NO special rights for the rich, ESPECIALLY no special security rights for the rich.
Re:Buying your way out is an equal rights problem (Score:3, Informative)
Avoiding the security check altogether just
Re:Buying your way out is an equal rights problem (Score:2)
And the same goes for people who claim that they should have it because they're frequent fliers -- that's just a way of abstracting the fact that you have a lot of money.
Nonsense.
There are lots of frequent fliers who don't have a lot of money. Certainly very few frequent fliers have enough money to buy all of their airline tickets.
Re:Buying your way out is an equal rights problem (Score:2)
There may be some weird, tiny set of the population that makes no money and flies a lot, but I kind of doubt it.
Most people who log thousands of miles per year are business travelers, and without exception most business travelers are earning $75k++.
Re:Buying your way out is an equal rights problem (Score:2)
Especially considering super richness seems to be a better indication of propensity to terrorism than anything other of the 39 indicators being proposed.
Re:Buying your way out is an equal rights problem (Score:3, Insightful)
Is it, really? You mean those pesky muslims like Tim McVeigh and the Unabomber?
White, Christian, far-right nutjobs still outnumber Muslims in terms of their number of terrorist attacks, especially on strictly civilian domestic targets.
In fact, until 9/11 it seemed that the US was heading pretty much to getting blown up by domestic nutjobs - that
Something tells me... (Score:2, Funny)
Oh, I see (Score:4, Funny)
Boy does that take a load off my mind. Thanks card inventor guy!
(illegal kidney sale required) (Score:2, Funny)
All this means (Score:5, Insightful)
We don't have any airport security anyway. (Score:4, Interesting)
Until the government gets off its PC centric ass and starts looking for terrorist instead of weapons we might just as well mark airline tickets as shoe bomb permits.
It wasn't a shoe bomb or razor blade that flew airliners into buidlings.
This card just falls under the current "safety" situation. We want to feel safe, we just aren't willing to do what is needed to be safe.
Let them have their quick checkin card, its not like their time is more important than their safety anyway.
We don't have any airport security anyway. (Score:3, Insightful)
Until the government...starts looking for terrorist instead of weapons...
What difference would that make? Apparently a college sophmore with no terrorist training (apart, I suppose, from what you pick up naturally by being a college freshman) was able to smuggle exactly the sort of items they are looking for through "security" not once, but several times.
So what does it matter what they look for, if they aren't able to find it?
-- MarkusQ
Re:We don't have any airport security anyway. (Score:5, Insightful)
Why were you in Israel?
Where was the conference?
Did you present at the conference?
Do you have the conference program?
Please give it to me.
What did you present?
Is your name in the program?
Please give us your presentation.
Yes, now.
(I spoke for perhaps 2 minutes and was then interrupted.)
Were you invited to the conference?
Why would they invite you?
Are you some kind of expert in this field?
Where did you stay?
How did you know where to stay?
Who arranged your hotel for you?
Where did you get your taxi this morning?
How did you know you could find one there?
They are smart enough to have about as many interrogation stands as there are check-in counters, so there's plenty of bandwidth. Once you pass through security, you walk 10 meters to the counter and talk to an airline employee to check in, rather than the other way around, and the path from interrogation to check-in is controlled. The idea behind the interrogation is to make sure you are legitimate, and have a solid, believable story (I do not for a moment think they cared about my research into an arcane corner of neurobiology). They are checking the person rather than his belongings (although they do this as well). That's security.
American airports don't have security, they have inconveniences to placate the general population into thinking they are secure. I'd much rather the Americans implemented a system like the Israelis have.
Re:We don't have any airport security anyway. (Score:4, Funny)
Then the US will be safe, just like Israel.
Re:We don't have any airport security anyway. (Score:4, Insightful)
stay with me.. think about it..
1- its a humane not a computer, not a database that WILL remeber everything for ever, also better at not making mistakes due to "logic"
2- This officer see's 50 ppl a day.. yes its YOUR private info but really.. do you think he cares or will remeber it all? no he wants to get home
3- Military personel.. means hes prolly roated every year or so.. wont get bored, wont get complacent,
4- not a computer.. info cant be sold to marketers.
5- Chain of Command.. how many times has a stupid clerk said.. sorry sir.. the computer says its $99.. well the sign says $0.99 cents.. and the manager cant do shit cause the "computer says"
i think its great.. your incovenanced once.. but it sure beats a computer.
Thoes that would give up there freedom for secuirty deserve neather - Benjamin Franklin
Re:We don't have any airport security anyway. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:We don't have any airport security anyway. (Score:5, Insightful)
People in Isreal are normal people. They just don't like being blown up. Wben you're flying a US airline, you get security-searched, even though they don't have 'evidence'.
I'm sure their security system has been challenged in court, and it's stood up. Isreali airline security is second to none, and the US needs to learn some lessons from them.
Re:All this means (Score:2)
This is the problem with "terrorism". Anyone can become a "terrorist" at any moment for no predictable reason. Thus, the only practical solution is to ignore "terrorism" as a law enforcement issue and make it into a social issue. Terrorism is a social problem like any other crime.
Fear.. (Score:4, Funny)
They can bypass the national security systems with a card but they can't get past the New York Times registration page.
Illegal Kidney?!? (Score:2)
From the New York Times registration page:
Bad idea (Score:5, Insightful)
So, you let all the influential people slide by quickly, and they'll never realize there's a real problem. I say let the influential people deal with the wait the same way we do, and then hopefully they'll do something about it.
errr then they would not (Score:2)
Re:errr then they would not (Score:2)
I guess then you'll just have wave to the guard and act all cool like nothing was wrong.
double bad. (Score:2)
Waiting at airports for screening that solves only half the threat and can be bypassed easily [newsday.com] is a problem. If someone wants to comondere an airplane or crash one in a populated area they can shoot it down or hijack it still.
The solution, of taking money to bypass the problem, is just stupid. "How else are we going to fund all of this?" the jackasses will ask us. How indeed?
The problem was stupid, the fix is easy - quit making the problem. Le
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Google (Score:2)
Verification (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Verification (Score:5, Interesting)
The FBI does indeed have a "terrorism watch list", but it is completely useless. Apparantly there are 13 million [nydailynews.com] people on it!
Welcome to $America$ ! (Score:2, Insightful)
"Ohhhh, I'm much to important to bother myself with following the behaviors needed to ensure a civil society." This guy probably talks on the cellphone while driving his SUV.
They that would give up essential liberty... (Score:2)
You mean like emptying my pockets, removing my belt, watch, and frickin' boots to enter a damn county assessor's office? Like I had to do this week?
Yeah, how could anyone object to that?
Quite the contrary, my friend. Putting everyone through checkpoints to do anything only ensures that everyone gets treated like a terrorist -- guilty till proven innocent by the wave of the magic metal-detector wand. Except, that is, for the actual terrorists, who will
bitchin (Score:2, Funny)
an arm and a leg (Score:2)
They would have to cut your hand too, since the card will be linked to fingerprint scanners according to the article.
Can be done.
Re:an arm and a leg (Score:2)
Re:an arm and a leg (Score:3, Funny)
by a large "No Terrorists Past This Point" sign.
Re:an arm and a leg (Score:3, Funny)
Re:an arm and a leg (Score:3, Funny)
Are you a communist or something? You have to encourage private enterprise.
Re:an arm and a leg (Score:2)
Me, I'll take the train.
Good idea (Score:2)
fingerprints are useless. (Score:3, Informative)
Why it's worse than a Govt. run system (Score:2)
Re:Why it's better than a Govt. run system (Score:2)
Quack (Score:5, Funny)
How naive. If it quacks like a national ID card, it's probably a duck trying to bypass security. Quick, increase to threat level fowl!
$30 to $50 dollars just to sign up! (Score:3, Insightful)
$30 to $50 dollars just to sign up and "a couple of dollars a month". It's could be a license to print money. Can you say "Monopoly", I knew you could.
This kind of card would only be "fair" if the modified free market is allowed to operate. You don't have to buy your server certificates from Verisign (of course the way that they bought other companies, it's hard not to), so why should all the card readers at public spots focus on one company's authenication system
Besides, as states tend to get more and more info on their id cards (aka drivers licences), the "need" for a separate system is becoming a moot point. Already some bars will "swipe" an ID rather than just look at the picture (also getting addresses, age and other data into their database).
Overall, I don't think that it will work, you might be able to get a couple of states to sign on but the cost is too high for the average person and it will be an "elite" privledge which will get lampooned in the public.
Similar Reuters Story without need to Register (Score:5, Informative)
Opening the door (Score:5, Insightful)
In short, this is just a step in the road to government issued ID cards.
What an AMAZING idea (Score:5, Insightful)
I have to agree with all the people who are pointing out that this introduces a single point of failure into any system that honors it, but what's worse is that it seems to ignore the point of security checkpoints, which is not so much to merely identify people as it is to prevent the entry of weapons into a vulnerable area REGARDLESS of their identity.
Stealing won't work (Score:2)
Looks like the submitter didn't RTFA. From the article:
"The cards will be linked to their owners through finger- and thumb-print scans at security turnstiles."
It's relatively simple with current technology, to scan and verify fingerprints and other unique identifying features instantly with a high degree of reliability. Infact, we had an experimental setup at a school I w
great (Score:2)
Give me a government run national ID card system any day over that. Institutions like the INS or IRS may be a pain to deal with, but they don't sell my data (well, not as much), and soo
So if your very first known criminal act. . . (Score:3, Funny)
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
KFG
liability? (Score:3, Interesting)
Who watches the watchmen? (Score:2, Interesting)
Admittedly, I don't know how the public system works with regards to internal checks to the ID distribution system. However, if these companies were to become popular, this strikes me as an excellent opportunity to perceive each company as a weak link in an ever-weakening
Not to be a moron, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Seems pretty unworkable to me.
Suicide bombers are rarely repeat offenders (Score:2, Insightful)
No, that's not a problem: The terrorists we are concerned about are mostly suicide bombers, so they are usually dead after becoming a terrorist. [OK, the INS tried to issue visas to some of the 9/11 terrorists half a year after the attack...]
And terrorism is not like inner-city gang crime, terrorists won't have a string of prior convictions. Most suicide bomber
So let me get this straight (Score:3, Funny)
And how long before this is required by airlines and such?
"Sir, you cannot fly Delta Airlines if you do not have your privatized National ID card. What's that? You don't have one? Well, you must be a terrorist, because only terrorists wouldn't have one. Please remain calm, as authority figures have already been alerted and are en route as we speak."
They already have the database. (Score:2)
Re:So let me get this straight (Score:2)
Basically, vote with your wallet early and often.
Some questions (Score:4, Insightful)
If I pay my money and fill out the application with completely fake information, is it a crime? Why?
If I miss my flight because the card and/or reader fails at the airport, will I be refunded? Why not?
Will the company indemnify me from losses if my fingerprint and card are stolen?
Once stolen, how long until all points in the system relying on this information are closed to my card?
Can an employer lawfully require me to get this card as a condition of employment?
ID Cards are *so* 1990s.. (Score:5, Funny)
I hope we don't have to wait until 2060 for the next big counterculture movement.
Brill's just the Shill... (for Choicepoint) (Score:2, Troll)
(I'll trust the replies to provide links.)
Re:Brill's just the Shill... (for Choicepoint) (Score:2)
Guess you didn't read the update [salon.com].
"In the Salon Politics article "Florida's flawed 'voter-cleansing' program," it was incorrectly stated that Florida's Secretary of State Katherine Harris hired a company, ChoicePoint, to create a voter "purge" list. The company was hired in 1998 before Harris was elected to her post."
Re:Brill's just the Shill... (for Choicepoint) (Score:2)
Re:Brill's just the Shill... (for Choicepoint) (Score:4, Informative)
Oh- and although the list was pretty inaccurate, the Florida law accounted for this and required each individual county election supervisor to verify the names on the felon list (many of them are democrats too!). Many counties ignored the list completely. In fact, when the USCCR held hearings on the Florida elections, they were unable to interview a single person that was incorrectly prevented from voting because of the felon list (A link [usccr.gov] of the dissenting opinion that supports this claim)
Since you seem to want people to back up their information with links, where were your links to back up your claims? Please use something better than a Greg Palast op-ed or a link to democrats.com.
Who is "Brill"? (Score:2)
Re:Who is "Brill"? (Score:2)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120660/ [imdb.com]
oooh! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:oooh! (Score:3)
Even if there were no explicit fee, you'd pay for it 200x over with your taxes.
Bin Laden would have had a card (Score:2)
I know I feel safer already.
It might work for a while (Score:3, Insightful)
2) Frequent waiters buy cards to shorten their wait too.
3) The majority of waiters now have cards
4) Not enough people get screened
5) Screeners no longer alllow card holders a "free ride"
but hey, at least Brill and his investors get rich.
Class warfare (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not saying the proposal has a malicious agenda, instead I'm trying to imagine what an ID card type system such as this one could evolve into given time.
Great idea! (Score:2)
This is so stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
I fly a couple of times a month and I am always "randomly selected". Every single time. And the reason is that I fly:
This is the profile. Everyone knows this is the profile. Which is why the 9/11 highjackers flew:
...and this is the really nasty bit...First Class. Even fllowing the airlines current policy, there is no way the 9/11 highjackers would be subject to extra searches currently. Because they don't fit the "highjacker profile".
Re:This is so stupid (Score:2)
But seriously, you do make an excellent point. Airports (well the TSA now) aren't looking for the right thing.
Problems besides the obvious... (Score:3, Insightful)
Okay, fine. What if you don't have a printable finger?
No, I'm not attempting to be facetious. There is a small, yet statistically signifigant percentage of the world's population (IIRC, around 2%) whose fingers just don't produce the patterns of whorls and loops in any usable form. Usually, the skin doesn't form deep enough ridges (result: a blurry, useless smudge.) There was an article carried in the local news a couple of years ago about a woman who was having troubles with the INS because she couldn't be fingerprinted, for just this reason. Also, there are those who have suffered severe burns. Scar tissue doesn't give a usable result, either. Or, what if an applicant is an amputee? I can see a potential loophole here that an ADA lawyer would give his/her left arm to exploit.
Much as I've come to dislike airport security (think you've been embarrassed by the screening process? Try having the underwire in your bra trip the metal detector), I've come to the conclusion that it really is one of the last few great equalizing experiences. Everybody suffers through it, regardless of who you (think you) are, and everybody should. IMN-S-G-D-HO.
Only way to impliment a national ID card (Score:5, Interesting)
As long as there is a centralized database of any kind, the potential for abuse is there. The only way that I would get a national ID card of some kind is if it were similar to the following:
The card would have to be a smart card, and store the following:
-An MD5 of my PIN number
-A "fingerprint" of my fingerprint (i.e. the datapoints that are stored instead of fingerprints themselves)
-A picture of myself (stored digitaly)
-I may or may not want info like eye color, hair color, weight, height etc.. I hesitate because I don't think they are particularly usefull in identification. I've never had anyone actually check my eye color when I present ID.. and I know women who change thier hair color more often than thier desktop background.
-Although I really dislike the idea of including it, my SSN will probably be necessaraly included. I'd prefer a MD5 of my ssn, and be required to key it in when necessary, but like income taxes the genie is out of the bottle and I don't see any act of congress to repeal SSN's coming soon.
This should cover the standard security pillars.. Something you have (the card), something you know (your pin) and something you are (fingerprint). Any one is easy enough to fake. Any two require some serious nastyness to get from you, and all three require some form of intimidation to get from you.
Now, all that info should be cryptographaly signed by some government agency. Preferably each location (or maybe each operator) that provides registration/card creation service would have its own private key to sign the information. That way, fradulent cards can be traced back to whomever signed them and they can be appropriately beaten and charged as a terrorist w/o due process.
Now, the most important thing is that.. this information must not be stored anywhere aside from on the card! If there is a uber database of everyones name, photo, ssn and fingerprint that just screams to be abused. This would still allow interoperatability with the watch list du jour via ssn's, and I believe it would even be approved by most privacy advocates.
Any improvement ideas? Post 'em!
Right to know (Score:3, Interesting)
Unbelievable Tomfoolery for US (Score:3, Funny)
Then again in a few years they will get a big database going that identifies all the verified dead. The contract for the database will go to the Database American Future Technical (DAFT) Company who's parent company is "Patriotic Alliance" Halliburton Brown & Root
Anyway, DAFT subcontracts to small businesses in Pakistan and China will perform data entry as it is received from the US Deaths Agency that received the data from the FBI who verified the death from local municipal records.
Finally, corporate America will be able to issue ID cards to whoever walks through the door. This is not a job that politicians would want to have civil servants perform, because America Businesses do everything better then government employees. Examples: Global-Cross/Double-Cross, Enrun/AnRun with the money, Diebald/Scalped,
Hell, maybe Mexico (in 50 to 100 years) will eventually be able to invade and save US.
OldHawk777
Reality is a self-induced hallucination.
Great *ANOTHER* card (Score:2, Interesting)
Let me get this right? (Score:4, Insightful)
Seriously, as others have said before the point of a security checkpoint is to check people, a lot of these radical elements use agents that have totally clean records. If a checkpoint is just letting people past because they have some stupid little card then the whole point of having the thing has just gone out the door, I mean it isn't like the checkpoint is some line rfor a ride at Disney World where you can pay an extra $200 (I have no idea how much) to get into a special fast lane thing. The security is there to prevent very bad things from happening.
I say that we label these people as terrorists, raid their corporate offices and send them off to Guantanamo, because this idea compromises national security more than any peace demonstrator or person who calls a spade a spade and a Dubya an idiot.
Let them bypass the security line... (Score:2)
how could this help? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:how could this help? (Score:2)
Would "Probably" Alert the Government (Score:2)
From the article:
Well, isn't it nice to know that they're at least considering the possibility of letting law enforcement know of potentially dangerous people getting hold of an Id card that would allow them to quickly bypass security.
Beyond that, I have no comments because, unlike much of the rest of this country, I actually have some patience. I will continue to arrive one h
We never learn, do we... (Score:4, Insightful)
A NYC councilman was shot and killed inside City Hall. How did the "perp" sneak a gun into the seat of city government?
Well, he was himself a councilman...
The two [the shooter and his victim] did not pass through a metal detector, which is not unusual for elected officials, apparently allowing Askew to slip his silver
Why do we keep making the same farking mistakes OVER AND OVER again!?
Re:Better than California driver licenses (Score:2)
As it should be for any purpose other than operating a motor vehicle on public roads.
KFG
Re:Mostly Harmless (Score:2)
Re:Why not a national driver's license? (Score:2)
Driving permits are not stated directly in the constution, so it is an issue with the state. Some will say that the Civil war quelled states' rights. It quelled the big ones (for example..control over abortion or, slavery per state). Smaller issues arent bothered by the national govt. unless it's a "touchy feely" issue like lowering the blood alcohol content to
Re:Why not a national driver's license? (Score:3, Insightful)
Wonderful. And only one document to lose or have stolen to deprive you of the right to drive, right to earn wages, right to be in the country, and right to travel. And probably also loss of your right to access to your money.
Oh, and proving who you are to get a replacement ID card becomes next to impossible, sin