RIAA Apologizes for Incorrect Infringement Notice 525
theradixhunter writes "News.com is reporting that the RIAA has apologized to the Pennsylvania State University for sending a threatening letter making an incorrect allegations of copyright violations. It appears that the automated system that the RIAA uses picked the term "Usher" and the extenstion ".mp3" on an FTP site hosting the work of Professor Emeritus Peter Usher and falsely assumed that the files were songs by the musician Usher. The university accepted the apology saying "that this was an honest mistake by the recording industry" and Spokesman Tysen Kendig said Penn State "remains committed to working closely with the RIAA"."
Perfectly reasonable (Score:5, Funny)
finally (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:finally (Score:5, Funny)
So... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)
-- james
Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So... (Score:4, Interesting)
I think there is a correct assumption that what is public is public - otherwise the whole internet breaks down. However,
I wonder if a "robots.txt" file is a "technological measure to effectively control access to a copyrighted work", and a RIAA spider that spiders a server with such a file violates the DMCA.
Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, no. But that's because they're a burglar - they'd get charged with *theft*, but not breaking and entering. Which is why it's called breaking and entering, and not just uh... entering. =p
Re:So... (Score:4, Insightful)
If you don't verify that infringement is actually happening, don't blame them for it.
You're saying the RIAA can't afford 3 or 4 people to verify infringements? Those people are going to be cheaper in the long run than if they make too many mistakes and get sued over those mistakes, or even just the bad publicity from it.
MediaForce (Score:5, Interesting)
For shame....
Re:MediaForce (Score:2)
It's like Flint Michigan after General Motors left, everyone lost their jobs and became prison guards.
Re:MediaForce (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Consider it slammed =) (Score:3, Interesting)
A Small Victory, Perhaps... (Score:5, Insightful)
I have nothing better to do while waiting for a kernel to compile, so...
I find it to be the usual government style of action: act first, apologize later. They send out threat form letters to anyone who might be violating their stupid-*** laws, and then when they find they're wrong, they throw out a whoops, and they're done. There is something very wrong with that picture.
(-:Stephonovich:-)
Re:A Small Victory, Perhaps... (Score:2, Insightful)
(-:Stephonovich:-)
Re:A Small Victory, Perhaps... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:A Small Victory, Perhaps... (Score:2)
Re:A Small Victory, Perhaps... (Score:3, Funny)
And this is why Slashdot should not be your only source of news.
Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:5, Interesting)
Just a matter of time before they pick on the wrong people.
It would be interesting to see how many time the RIAA systems access servers with restricted use policies: "Ve haf found der pirate!!!!" "No, you've trespassed on the private server of esquires Anastacia Lopez and Santana Aguilera of the law firm that prosecuted the tobacco settlement. Pay up."
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:5, Funny)
It's so brilliant.
er... and oh yeah:
(3) profit.
With What Money? (Score:2)
<EFF HINT>Of course, winning one time would easily bankroll all the other cases
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:2)
Or give it a valid name... (Score:3, Insightful)
fill it with a rant about how much (and why) the RIAA sucks...
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:3, Insightful)
I hope that one day the RIAA programs will trespass some secret government sites and the execs get punished as severely as Kevin Mitnick was.
S
That's no temp (Score:2)
Actually, they made the mediaforce [mediaforce.com] software an employee on a temporary basis. If corporations can be people, then why can't software be people also?
"Your Honor, it was Mr. Mediaforce, a temp who has since been upgraded to the newest version."
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:5, Interesting)
Well let's see... You put the name "Usher" in one of your own songs, and RIAA sends you the legal documents telling you to cease...
Well, that would be adequate legal evidence that they have illegially downloaded YOUR copyrighted material, and YOU can sue them for damages. They are not law enforcement, they have no legal immunity.
Nice change huh? Sue RIAA for pirating your music... Now if they hadn't sent the cease document, you would have a hard time proving all of this to a judge.
And just think, either the RIAA will have to pay you a truckload of money, or it will set a precident basically relieving anyone of legal liability for files they have downloaded.
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:5, Interesting)
Even more effective would be to make a group called one of the words from the title of one of Usher's songs and then use Usher in the song name. That would get at least two hits on their theft-o-meter unless they fix it Real Soon Now.
Of course, they don't have to download your material to see its title. That might throw a fairly large wrench into that idea. Plus, where would you put it? If it's on a P2P network, then they could argue that you intentionally made it available for download. Therefore, you would need to put it on a private FTP.
Now, a harassment suit would stick a lot better. You could argue that the RIAA is sending you baseless C&D letters and get a court to order them to pay you for any damages that you might face. It's too bad that this university doesn't understand what a threat to free speach the RIAA is.
You could even sue for mental anguish or some other outlandish thing that is impossible to disprove.
Of course, if they apologized without you giving them permission to download the file, then THAT could be construed as infringement of your copyright. They would have to listen to the file to verify that it wasn't really Usher. Either that or trust you, but we all know that the RIAA doesn't trust people.
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:3, Interesting)
This is an ugly meme that seems to be spreading among people who don't stop to think or who don't understand the nature of copyright. For example my web hosting service (and many others, I'm sure) has the following clause in their AUP:
Users may not... Use an account to host and/or distribute copyrighted software or files.
If I were to take this clause literally, I could never put anything on my website other than a blank pag
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:5, Interesting)
Put your copyrighted file on a website with a click-through EULA
"Users downloading these songs must agree to pay the copyright owner *1 BILLION* dollars for each song downloaded. (Insert usual boilerplate here) To accept the terms of this agreement , press the "I Agree" button".
Make sure you advertise with google your website and it's file for download. Used a sponsored link if you feel like it.
The following steps
1) They click through, get file, send cease and desist.
2) Me : "oh, you downloaded my file? Glad you liked it!excuse me, where's my BILLION dollars?"
3) RIAA get their crack legal team out to defend themselves.
End result is either:
1) RIAA proves that click through EULA's are not valid. We can ignore Microsoft and their EULA's all we want after that, with the added happy bonus of using an Evil Corps lawyers against another Evil corp.
or (my personal favorite)
3) Microsoft weighs in on my side with their legal team and I get my billion dollars. Ok, I'll donate a few million to the Gates foundation, and the EFF
Maybe we could turn it into a sport - corporation-baiting, here we come!
Re:Why pay attention when your extorting? (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, that would be adequate legal evidence that they have illegially downloaded YOUR copyrighted material, and YOU can sue them for damages.
Actually, even if you ignore the fact that you are offering the file for download yourself, their error clearly shows that they only looked at the filename, they didn't listen to it. You don't need to download something to see the filename.
Now, if somebody were to have, say, the first ten seconds of an Usher song as the start of an mp3, and then 20 minutes of somebody criticising that style of music, that would fall under fair use. It would also confuse them once they start to check that the music is actually infringing.
Ok, so score one for the RIAA (Score:5, Funny)
Like MS Office vs OpenOffice.org (Score:3, Insightful)
Yup, that's their mentality: Guilty until proven innocent.
I hope they accuse Darth Vader of piracy (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, we do: (Score:5, Funny)
::breathes:: What
::outstretches hand::
subtlety of the term "temp employee" (Score:5, Insightful)
I think by "temp employee," they mean to say the person responsible is now fired. Doesn't sound like the RIAA really took responsibility for the incident either, but rather placed the blame on John Doe.
Re:subtlety of the term "temp employee" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:subtlety of the term "temp employee" (Score:2)
Human Factor (Score:2)
Humans can fuckup in a beaurocracy, but not as beautifully, randomly, and at times on such a large scale as a machine.
Re:Human Factor (Score:2)
People, especially non-computer people, should be reminded of the inherent limitations of computers as often as possible, lest they be used in any sort of enforcement or police role. They are not suited to it at all.
Meanwhile, in the back room... (Score:3, Funny)
I suppose.... (Score:5, Funny)
Penn should have pushed its advantages (Score:5, Insightful)
Penn acted as spineless morons.
They should have slapped the RIAA fools with a libel lawsuit and requested an injunction to keep RIAA away from their computers forever or else. Then, only then, settled out of court if needed.
You can't even trust academia to defend their own these days. Sheesh.
Re:Penn should have pushed its advantages (Score:2)
It's Penn State, Penn is a differant school
A freind of mine got this letter and it scared the shit out of her. Glad to see it wasn't what people thought.
I can say this, when it comes to this kind of thing PSU isn't very good at standing up to the RIAA, they have been giving into them for the past few years. I suppose it's the same everywhere.
Re:A new advocate (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Penn should have pushed its advantages (Score:3, Interesting)
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
horrible apology (Score:5, Funny)
Worst apology ever.
Re:horrible apology (Score:2)
What's in a name? (Score:2, Interesting)
Fact - I'm in the Radio business
Fact - I have lots of Mp3's named rockxx.mp3 on my computers (where xx is a number)
I can't imagine the drool that would be produced by the RIAA if they were to ever come across my hard drive. I'm sure they would think "Pay-Dirt!!" When in actuality it's just another voice in the crowded radio dial.
I'll have to warn my good buddy John L. Zeppelin to be on the lookout for the RIAA piranha. (His r
Weird names are awsome! (Score:5, Funny)
Ok maybe not. I don't really have any friends.
Ha! Now that's ironic (Score:5, Funny)
Ahem, no matter what I predict we will see the Fall of the House of Usher...
"Honest mistake" ?!?!?!? (Score:5, Interesting)
And it would also appear that simply using a phony filename extension will be enough to fool the "automated system." From now on, I and all my partners in tune trading criminal activities will use .RIAA to denote classic .mp3, and .MPAA instead of .mpg or .mpeg, but only on even numbered days. Other times we'll switch 'em around. That oughta hold 'em off for a while.
Oops! Did I just divulge a circumvention technique? Will I be liable for prosecution under DMCA or US-PATRIOT or some other silly-ass law?
Re:"Honest mistake" ?!?!?!? (Score:5, Funny)
Search results for Honest found "Rolling Stones", clearly a signed artist.
Search results for Mistake found "Sheryl Crow", also a signed artist.
Please do not encourage the use of the english language for furthering piracy anymore.
Re:"Honest mistake" ?!?!?!? (Score:2)
Better yet! Use
Usher & MP3 were not even in the same file! (Score:4, Informative)
That kind of search could only be termed "shotgun".
database of RIAA ips? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:database of RIAA ips? (Score:5, Informative)
just block them on your firewall
Re:database of RIAA ips? (Score:2)
It's like you're having a garage sale, all your stuff sitting on your front lawn, inviting everyone to come by and take a look. In addition you lay out a nice sack of Marijuana and a cop walks by, I guess if he busts you without a search warrant it's illegal search and seizure?
Re:database of RIAA ips? (Score:4, Insightful)
RIAA =! Law Enforcement
Re:database of RIAA ips? (Score:5, Informative)
i think it gets its banned ip's from here
http://www.simply-click.org/uploadertest/pg2.as
Detailed instructions (Score:5, Informative)
1. Download PG from here: http://methlabs.org/pg/
2. Install it.
3. Edit "C:\Program Files\PeerGuardian\Guarding.P2P" in a text editor.
4. Go to http://www.simply-click.org/uploadertest/pg2_plai
5. Copy and Paste it into the Guarding.P2P file. It must have no empty lines at the beginning of the file, and must have at least one blank line at the end of the file.
You may want to leave off the last few lines from that webpage, this is a submission type of thing, and new submissions are added to the bottom of the list. Delete the bad lines from morons and such at the end. They get onto the list every so often.
6. Startup PG and make sure it reads in the block list correctly.
Congratulations, you're now blocking all TCP connections with over 50 million IP addresses, most of which are probably "the bad guys". I don't generally steal music or offer up music, I just don't like these people and so I block them on principle.
Also, PeerGuardian supports a pgdat:// type of link, so as new addresses are changed, you can click the links on http://www.simply-click.org/uploadertest/pg2.asp to add them to PeerGuardian directly instead of manually editing the blockfile.
yea, easy to make false allegations first (Score:4, Interesting)
Shoulda pushed 'em (Score:2)
Personally I would have taken it to court.
They could have pushed them right up to the point where the prosecutor says "You honour, I'd now like to play the contents of Exhibit A to the jury..."
Overloading the namespace. (Score:3, Funny)
I suppose it's only a matter of time before the same thing happens to Professore Arturo Metallica of the University of Milan.
k.
An Usher CD? (Score:2)
We need to find a way to get the BSA and the RIAA to cross paths so that we can work our way back to a usable Internet.
Hosting Fake Files (Score:5, Interesting)
If every internet user with a webpage hosted 2-3 blank mp3 files with names like "BritneySpears-Baby.mp3", etc... The time it would take RIAA/MPAA to find all of them and verify them as blank would flood their capabilities.
Re:Hosting Fake Files (Score:5, Funny)
cuckoo's eggs (Score:4, Interesting)
It's about time! (Score:3, Insightful)
What the music business really needs to do is lower CD prices to less than $10. I, for one, and most of the people I know would shell out that money a lot more often for the enhanced quality of a CD and the extra time for not having to download an album of MP3's. The price differences are outrageous though- a 50 cent CD-R or $20 for a nice jewel case? I know I don't feel a moral obligation to give $15 to a record company and $5 to an artist (yes, record companies are thieves) for a single song I like by a one hit wonder.
The music business is really behind in their game. Mass produced CD's don't offer much more than burned CD's. If they threw in a bonus on every CD that a rip of MP3's wouldn't offer, such as a video on every disc or a license for any use of the audio such as sampling without royalties, it would make a world of difference. We buy MSDN discs for snippets of code; we should get to sample some audio from CD's. Programmers work off the previous work of other coders, musicians should also be able to as long as recognition is given without hindering royaties. Such resampling and remixes often even bring more publicity to a song's original composer. The music business just needs to figure out how to use their resources in different ways to make money in the new world of digital music. MP3's aren't going to go away, which apparently the RIAA has yet to realize.
-Greg
Not an "honest mistake" at all (Score:2)
The current state of things... (Score:5, Informative)
I have a serious message for you about making illegal copies of copyrighted material. While you may be tempted not to read this email, I suggest that you do so in order to better understand just what the risks and penalties are for violating the law.
In recent years, high-speed computer networks and personal computers have made it easy to copy computer programs, movies, and recordings. Most of this material is copyrighted, which means the right to make copies is restricted. Making copies of any copyrighted material without the right to do so is against both state and federal law and University policy. Most people who make illegal copies know it is wrong, but are unaware of how severe the penalties can be.
The US Copyright Law (Title 17 of the US Code) has very serious penalties for violations. These include significant fines for each copy. If you copy more than $1,000 worth of material, there are criminal penalties that include substantial fines of up to $250,000 and up to 10 years prison time for flagrant cases of infringement.
The software, record, and movie industries are stepping up their enforcement of copyright laws. They are using computer technology to detect those who run servers or simply download something they have no right to possess. The likelihood of being caught is growing every day, and prosecutions will become more frequent.
You may have downloaded copyrighted materials and not been caught, so you think you're safe from prosecution. I urge you to think again. Two students in Oregon were caught and prosecuted under the criminal statutes. One received a suspended two-year sentence, the other spent time in jail. A student in North Carolina spent 41 months in prison for copyright infringement. Messing up your future is a steep price to pay for music or a video.
What happens at Penn State if you are caught? By statute, the University must immediately block your network access when we receive notification that a particular computer has been involved in a violation of the law. You may also be taken to court by the copyright holder or charged in the federal courts with a crime. That is not all that can happen. You should know that falsely certifying either that you have the right to material or have removed it can result in federal perjury charges as well as copyright infringement.
What else does Penn State do? When we receive a complaint, student offenders are referred to the Office of Judicial Affairs and employees to the Office of Human Resources. Why? Because it is illegal and against University policy to infringe on someone's copyright. A student can be expelled and an employee terminated under University policy.
The bottom line is that there is a potentially high price to pay for an illegally copied computer program, movie, or recording. Stealing is stealing and against the law, regardless of how you try to justify it.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Rodney A. Erickson March 31, 2003
After the letter was sent 220 students were served notices from the Judicial Affairs Office. You can read more about it in the school newspaper. school newspaper. [psu.edu] In the article it says, "Rodack said it can take only one complaint against a student before dorm Internet connection is shut down and he or she is investigated."
Has anyone else seen the same pattern at their school? Is this par for the course?
Can this post get any longer?
Re:The current state of things... (Score:4, Interesting)
Even my Residential Advisor got nailed for a movie. People get their ports shut off and get called in by the dozens. My friend who works in the Residential Network offices, in addition to telling us what they're cracking down on, told me that they get a good deal of letters from the MPAA and the RIAA, demanding specific students knock it off: under the DMCA, our school acts as an ISP, and can be held accountable. It hasn't really deterred anyone, and there haven't been any criminal charges, but students get nailed all the time.
Except those who still know how to lie low and run Hotline servers.
Re:The current state of things... (Score:5, Interesting)
Hogwash. Making copies of anyone's copyrighted materials is permitted by US law. Distributing those copies is another matter entirely. I propose they rename it to copyanddistributeright.
Sorry I forgot the block in the closing blockquote.
Re:The current state of things... (Score:3, Insightful)
i'm going to be next (Score:2)
Too bad i'm not a Professor Emeritus yet, then i'd get free Metallica and Eminem stuff.
Appology NOT accepted! (Score:2, Funny)
Exciting MP3s on my site! (Score:3, Funny)
Hilary Rosen is a Child Molester (Score:4, Funny)
All child molesters are human.
Therefore, Hilary Rosen is a child molester.
This syllogism is brought to you by the RIAA Institute of Critical Thinking and Logic.
a little off-topic joke (Score:5, Funny)
Jason has a conversation with his new neighbour Pete:
J: So what do you do?
P: I teach deducive logic.
J: Huh?
P: Let me demonstrate. Do you have a dog?
J: Yes.
P: From this I deduce that you have a family?
J: Yeah.
P: And a wife?
J: Yeah.
P: And if you have a wife, I deduce that you are heterosexual.
J: That's amazing!
After this Jason visits his friend Chris:
J: I just found out this awesome field called deducive logic.
C: Say what?
J: Let me demonstrate. Do you have a dog?
C: No.
J: Then you must be gay.
Re:a little off-topic joke (Score:3, Interesting)
*Many people have dogs who do not have families and there are many gay men who get married.
This information brought to you by a bored pedant
RIAA == Penn State Board Member (Score:5, Interesting)
Not the RIAA, but similar situation (Score:3, Interesting)
The RIAA will never have my sympathy now. (Score:3)
They are filling lawsuits without even CHECKING to see if defendants are in violation? Am I violating a copyright if I change the FILENAME of my mp3s to infringing titles?
Boy, it's awful they're just going to let this slide. I would file a countersuit claiming libel/slander at a bare minimum, even if it where to be thrown out, just to make a point to them. Of course, I noticed a fairly recent post stating the RIAA is on the board of trustees at Penn State. Sad.
Do your part to show you agree with the RIAA! (Score:5, Funny)
Hit them. In the face. Hard.
When asked why, respond, "You look like someone who owed me money. Guess not. Sorry. Here's a Ultimate Fighting Championship T-shirt and DVD."
It's great to be on board with the tactics used by our friendly copyright holders! Go Team!
Perjury? (Score:5, Interesting)
Said statement was obviously NOT true in this case, and I don't think those letters include a disclamier like: "unless I get CAUGHT lieing, and apologize afterward".
So do those "swear under penalty of perjury" clauses have any real legal validity? If so, isn't it appropiate for some RIAA/Metallica drones to be shareing bunkspace with Charlie Manson in the very near future? After all, when a regular citizen does it, perjury is a pretty BIG deal. Why should the RIAA/Metallica enjoy any immunity?
Or are those lines not, in any way, legally binding? If that's the case, why include them at all?
cya,
john
Re:Perjury != lying, == knowingly lying (Score:3, Interesting)
That's the point of those lines: you aren't supposed to send out harassment letters unless you are sure that you are right, to prevent things like this.
simple way to prove their system doesn't work (Score:5, Funny)
of course, that might actually be the same command they use to create their "music"
Perjury? (Score:3, Funny)
Automated Sticky Tarpit - RIConfuseBot (Score:3, Interesting)
It would grab the album chart from FreeDB and then make a pseudo random listing of 20 or so artists. Clicking on an artist's name would reveal the names of the albums, and clicking on the album name would reveal links to song downloads as MP3s.
Each page would have a 10 second delay on loading, and each MP3 download (which would be white noise) would be downloaed at about 10 bits per second. The idea would be to tie-up as many threads on thhe RIAA servers for as long as possible.
Next, the system would run on a wildcarded domain name so that it would look to the RIAAbot as if it were a large number of sites. Each of these sites would link to each other creating a vast low bandwidth tarpit.
How about that then?
Slashdot the RIAA (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Typical Hot heads (Score:2)
Re:Assasination (Score:4, Funny)
re: Assassination (Score:2)
I suspect the anti-globalism crowd (which probably correlates with your view) is a big reason that "Executive Protection" is now a huge industry-- and why not?
Re:Hit Me Baby One More Time (Score:2, Insightful)
That aside, is there any sort of legal problem with the RIAA randomly searching FTP sites and logging in to them searching through directories for files? Is this unauthorized access if there is an MOTD that states they are not allowed to access it?
Re:Hit Me Baby One More Time (Score:3, Insightful)
Madonna and others place bogus mp3 files out there, just to make it harder to find real mp3's...
And now we're going to put bogus mp3 files out there, to make it harder for the RIAA to find real mp3's (and up their noise to signal ratio)...
i like it, i like it!
Re:Perhaps (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Speakeasy/RIAA incident (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Using this to our advantage (Score:3, Insightful)
If the RIAA and MPAA are incapable of determining whether a given file is a violation of copyright automatically, then how is it that they expected Napster to do so? How about Verizon? Or any other ISP/University/person? Basically, the RIAA and MPA