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The MPAA's Lobbying-Fu is Stronger Than Yours 451

georgelazenby writes "The Frisco Chronicle reports: While the music industry has been clumsily bullying its way through the federal government, the movie industry has taken a more subtle -- and more effective -- approach. The MPAA has been lobbying individual state legislatures to pass laws reaching far beyond the original DMCA. The proposed laws would permit cable TV companies to 'limit subscribers to using only certain brands of VCRs and could ban TiVo in favor of their own proprietary PVR technologies.' According to one expert, the bills are 'tremendously open-ended and create theoretical and potential criminal liabilities for just about anybody on the planet.'"
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The MPAA's Lobbying-Fu is Stronger Than Yours

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  • Control (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Eric Ass Raymond ( 662593 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @03:57AM (#5873363) Journal
    ban TiVo in favor of their own proprietary PVR technologies

    How would something like this be enforced? House inspections?

    • Re:Control (Score:5, Insightful)

      by IvyMike ( 178408 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:02AM (#5873375)

      If the cable companies and the government made it illegal for TiVo to carry schedules for their cable programming, for example.

      Yeah, I know it sounds ridiculous, but these things always do.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:05AM (#5873389)
      Having a system where everybody is a criminal and anybody can be arrested whenever the government want to is scary beyond imagination.
      • by youaredan ( 668702 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:07AM (#5873394) Homepage
        Can you say tyranny? Look mommy! The great country of America allows us to enjoy that flower over there! Can I have $5 to pay the associated tax?
      • Having a system where everybody is a criminal and anybody can be arrested whenever the government want to is scary beyond imagination.
        You mean we don't have that [alternet.org] already?

      • What's worse than that is the fact that you no longer need to be a citizen of the United States to be charged under these laws.


        It would appear that every human on the planet is set to suffer, because the average American doesn't *really* care about their freedom

      • by Thing 1 ( 178996 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @12:58PM (#5875203) Journal
        Having a system where everybody is a criminal and anybody can be arrested whenever the government want to is scary beyond imagination.

        Ayn Rand said it far better than I could, here: [angelfire.com]

        "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it.
        There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
    • by mindpixel ( 154865 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:15AM (#5873428) Homepage Journal
      Actually, that's just what it will take if media corporations expect to survive.

      There are two futures:

      1) Corporate IP dies and we move to a gift economy.
      2) We have to be able to prove ownership every binary string we control on demand.

      I vote for a gift economy.
    • Easily... dont forget that there is upstream on cable. With DMCA inspired legislation, simple encrytion or authentication schemes can be made bulletproof, due to the ability to sue the hell out of anyone that makes a compatible device.

    • Re:Control (Score:3, Interesting)

      by evilviper ( 135110 )
      I would say, probably the same way DirecTV enforces their anti-circumvention measures.

      Too numerous to list here, but they include electronic countermeasures disigned to knock-out any equipment that they didn't manufacture, as well as seizing the records of companies selling any devices which could potentially be used for illegial purposes, and automatically sending out bills to those who made purchases from those companies.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    When are you people going to learn?
  • ObRIAA-bashing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Piquan ( 49943 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:00AM (#5873369)

    From the article:

    the kind of digital piracy that has put the recording industry on the ropes.

    The recording industry put themselves on the ropes. Piracy is just a convenient bogeyman when management has to explain falling sales.

    • This just in, RIAA ships robbed at sea again, claims sales down 20% from piracy. Film from pirated vessal at 11
  • by youaredan ( 668702 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:01AM (#5873372) Homepage
    If they can determine the equipment used to make use of thier network - they can literally go as far as our own eyes I would assume. Interesting and probably completely irrelivant, but a good hint as to what limiting qualities the sky holds.

    The future: "Sorry Honey, we have to drive another 46 miles... this gas station doesn't serve our brand of car"
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:03AM (#5873383)
    >According to one expert, the bills
    >are 'tremendously open-ended and create
    >theoretical and potential criminal liabilities
    >for just about anybody on the planet.'"

    What planet? Planet America? US laws sure don't reach us in Europe.

    • Laws are a disease (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Snover ( 469130 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:07AM (#5873395) Homepage
      As unfortunate as it is, many laws that stem from the United States DO carry over to other countries. That's just how things work with the US being such a great superpower in the world. One can only hope that other countries will have more sense than Bush and his cronies.
      • by aarondyck ( 415387 ) <aaron.ufie@org> on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:15AM (#5873429) Homepage Journal
        many laws that stem from the United States DO carry over to other countries

        I would choose to politely disagree. Look at Canada as an example: We are right next to the US, but do we see any effect from these laws? The DMCA certainly doesn't apply here, and when was the last time you heard of a Canadian being prosecuted for copyright violations?

        This is not limited to technical issues either. If one were to look at the current issues (I was just reading about this on MSN last night, in fact, although I don't believe it was carried on the US msn site): The US has stated that they will impose sanctions against Canada if we decriminalise marijuana...of course, those sanctions would be in violation of NAFTA and the US would have to repeal them shortly after they were put in place. In short, US law simply does not apply in Canada. In fact, not even US moral standards apply in Canada. Should these laws be passed, I doubt that Rogers, Shaw or Cogeco (the three largest cable providers in Canada) would even consider adopting these stances. Canada is a much more liberal country and does not fall into the jurisdiction of US law.
        • by Bob9113 ( 14996 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @08:51AM (#5874054) Homepage
          I would choose to politely disagree. Look at Canada as an example: We are right next to the US, but do we see any effect from these laws?

          While it does seem that the DMCA hasn't polluted Canada's legal system yet, it is far from a closed issue. Canada has a stiff media levy, and is considering upping the rate [slashdot.org]. Moreover, this levy is specifically intended as a levy for making private copies of the music a consumer has already purchased, trampling the notion of archival copies (not to mention fining people for backing up their own data on CDR).

          Here's the proposed "Private Copying" legislation. [cb-cda.gc.ca]

          The CCFDA is working with Industry and Heritage Canada to stop the newly purposed levy that would see the cost of a pack of 100 blank CD soar 181 per cent. Currently, a pack of 100 blank CDs includes a levy of $21 on a retail price that averages $50. If the Canadian Private Copying Collective's (CPCC) proposal is approved, this levy could average $59 per pack at an average retail price of $88 plus tax, said Diane Brisebois, president and CEO of the Retail Council of Canada.
        • by Snover ( 469130 )
          As we have seen, unfortunately, the US has no problem breaking international law. Just look at what we did in Iraq -- went in without support of the United Nations, violated the Geneva Convention by showing and holding prisoners of war in sensory deprivation, all for the sake of finding these mysterious weapons "of mass destruction" --of which, I might add, a whole 0 have been found.

          It doesn't even stop there. The United States government uses propaganda tactics to make what they're doing look legal to the
      • by zmooc ( 33175 ) <`ten.coomz' `ta' `coomz'> on Sunday May 04, 2003 @07:33AM (#5873852) Homepage
        True. Europe is working on this. But our juridical (is that english?:)) system has more ways to protect individuals than in the USA. We don't have tons of blackmail agreements ("You pledge guilty and get 5 years or you go to court and possibly get 20 years") to handle a case outside of court or a point-system - a case without a trial is considered not done in Europe. Furhermore in our system a case against a large company won't leave you bankrupt even before trial. So I'd say Europe is suited a lot better than the USA to protect individuals against such ridiculous legislature.
    • Except for the fact that the EU only seems to lag behind a couple of years in passing these same sort of laws. You name 'm: DMCA has its equal in EUCD. Don't believe that Europe is a safe haven, it's just that passing these kind of laws take some more time because of the internal turmoil in the council. This really is the end of an era. (Book soon to follow: "The rise and fall of Western civilisation".)
    • by videodriverguy ( 602232 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:47AM (#5873518) Homepage
      Try explaining that to DVD Jon in Norway - I'm fairly certain he would disagree with you.

      For the rest of us out here in the rest of the world (outside the USA), the reach of American corporate interests is pretty amazing.
      • by aarondyck ( 415387 ) <aaron.ufie@org> on Sunday May 04, 2003 @05:38AM (#5873626) Homepage Journal
        Now that presupposes that the decriminalisation of cannabis will lead to increased drug exporting. On the contrary, I personally expect that it will increase tourism. Why would someone risk getting arrested for transporting pot across the border when they could simply smoke it in Canada?
        Walters said a flood of Canadian pot moving south becomes an American problem, meaning increased border patrols.
        Increased border patrols? Moreso than they already are, what with the terrorist attacks and general threats that the US always seems to be coming up with, I don't see how they could increase border patrols, or even security at border crossings!

        If we were sending toxic substances to your young people, you would be and should be upset.

        Now this begs the point be made of what a toxic substance is. THC bonds naturally to receptors found in the brain--a perfect fit. Other drugs (the more 'serious' drugs) do not fit perfectly with the genetic structure of the human body, but pot does.

        If the American government wants to, they can certainly exert pressure on other governments into changing their laws

        Again, this is untrue. When was the last time that Canada changed their laws, simply because the US wanted them to? Canada is a free country and our Government (which, unlike the Bush administration was elected) is fully able to hold their own in any battle with the US government. Right now International sentiment is against the US, particularly the Bush administration, and I don't think that the US gov't has any effect on Canadian laws, be it either digital media laws or drug laws.
        • (which, unlike the Bush administration was elected)

          Dubya is currently enjoying his second term as U.S. President, after being re-elected in the 2002 presidential election. While the legality of the 2000 election is dubious, I haven't heard anyone seriously question the 2002 one.

          • Hmm... I'm hoping you're not a US citizen, because if you are -- you really slept through civics, didn't you?

            2002 did not feature a presidential election. The presidential election cycle is 4 years, so the next one is in 2004. Bush is still in his first term.

            The House has elections every two years, and the Senators have a six year election cycle (but are 'staggered' so that 1/3 of the Senate is in an election cycle every two years). Perhaps you meant that the reasonably strong Republican showing in the 20
      • He has been to trial under Norwegian laws, and was aquitted. Even though the trial was pushed forward by the MPAA (As a private part seeking to bring what it think is a crime to trial), it was very correctly aquitted with a crushing verdict in the trial.
    • They'll come. The WTO agreements make sure of that. It takes some time and they get transformed to account for local conditions. But they come in one form or another.
  • Good for the MPAA (Score:4, Interesting)

    by phr2 ( 545169 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:03AM (#5873385)
    Let's encourage them. I'd love to see the MPAA convince some state to ban Tivo's. That will be the end of them, and good riddance.
    • by silentbozo ( 542534 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @05:01AM (#5873553) Journal
      That will be the end of them, and good riddance.

      The end of the MPAA or the end of the Tivo? There are only 650,000 Tivo subscribers. Cutting off part of their market could easily kill the company (especially if a cable monopoly decides to standardize on the lowest common denominator, and bans Tivos even in states where Tivos are still legal, just because a big chunk of their cable network is in a Tivo-illegal state.) You don't want them to be hogtied until someone overturns the law in court - they might be bankrupt by then. Best thing to do is preemptively fight (for example, the SonicBlue subscribers preemptively sued the studios for the right to use ReplayTV units to timeshift and share shows.)

      Don't let the enemy define where and when you fight - you must be the one to control the battlefield.
  • by Snover ( 469130 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:05AM (#5873388) Homepage
    Interesting dynamic that these two groups are taking.

    The RIAA is doing a loud, "hey, look, we're gonna erase files and crash your computer" thing, whereas the MPAA is going around quietly passing bills without any press releases or announcements. Wonder which one will be more successful... from the sounds of it, the MPAA has already had a fair amount of success, having their "super-DMCA" laws passed in 6 states and pending in five more. It certainly seems a more proactive approach than the RIAA, but I don't think either will end up working in the end, since MPAA's plans are basically monopolising (you can ONLY use THESE) and the RIAA's plans are basically hacking (you aren't allowed to have these files! DELETE DELETE DELETE)
  • Hats off to them... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by neksys ( 87486 ) <grphillips AT gmail DOT com> on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:07AM (#5873396)
    Without sounding like I'm supporting the MPAA on this (which I most certainly not), one has to at least appreciate the MPAA's awareness of the future of piracy. The fact of the matter is that widespread piracy of DVDs and movies on the scale of MP3s -- that is, copies of the movies that are of such quality as to be almost indistinguishable from the original, as with MP3s -- just isn't here yet. The average user simply does not have the capacity or ability to simply hop on some p2p network and download and burn DVD-quality full length feature films -- yet. A few years down the road, it might not be such an issue to download say, a 1 gig movie, burn it to DVD-R, and watch it in your DVD player with no appreciable loss of quality. The MPAA isn't so much concerned about the (relatively) low quality movies floating around Kazaa today -- they're concerned about tomorrow. And one at least has to respect, however grudgingly, their foresight and awareness of the future -- contrasted with the "catch-up" that the RIAA is playing right now.
    • widespread piracy of DVDs and movies on the scale of MP3s -- that is, copies of the movies that are of such quality as to be almost indistinguishable from the original, as with MP3s -- just isn't here yet.

      I agree that it isn't all that common yet, but I don't think you understand why that is.

      CDs are coppied profusely because a fair quality copy only takes up about 64MB, and that is for $20 worth of music. DVD quality movies are around 10X larger, yet good DVDs can cost as little as $10 (after they've bee

  • Er...270 million US citizens.

    Last I heard, US law didn't apply outside US borders. Officially. After all, that's what makes it necessary to hold small boys - sorry, al Queda terrorists - at Guantanamo Bay, safely outside US jurisdiction.

    On a more serious note, this seems part of a trend that will eventually block off access for ordinary people to the unregulated internet. Nice to know that the States are learning from Beijing.

  • DVD's schemes SUCK (Score:5, Interesting)

    by westyvw ( 653833 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:09AM (#5873404)
    First a quote from Dinsdale "DVDs are protected to the hilt," he said "It plays by the rules and ends up being a great consumer experience."

    My ass. It makes it a way for me to have to sit through a FBI warning, and as is the case from some of the newer DVD's to have to watch trailers, (read commercials). I dont want that in something I have bought, or rented.

    So what can a legal owner or renter of a DVD do? Play it with Linux? Yeah, but then I break the law.

    These folks gotta get with the program (pun intended) I want to watch the damn movie!

    As an aside: I have not been to a movie theatre in 5 years and I am not about to go anytime soon. When all of them became tiny little multiplexes I just couldn't enjoy it anymore.

    Screw you MPAA.
  • by Ms.G_Austin ( 458991 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:12AM (#5873414) Homepage Journal
    One acronym: EFF [eff.org]
    Check out their State-Level "Super DMCA" Initiatives Archive [eff.org]
  • by Piquan ( 49943 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:14AM (#5873423)

    While I like the article, it doesn't link to anything for the reader to make their own comparison.

    The EFF has a Super-DMCA archive [eff.org], with analyses, the templates the MPAA gives to state legislatures, and info on the individual states.

    The MPAA has an anti-piracy [mpaa.org] statement, and press releases relating to legislation [mpaa.org] , but I was unable to find anything specifically discussing these particular laws after a brief search.

  • ...in my first and only journal entry. I'm sure it pretty much sums up everything most Slashdotters have to say about DMCA, MPAA, RIAA, and any other pretentious acronyms that I've forgotten. ;)

    http://slashdot.org/~mraymer/journal/ [slashdot.org]

  • by freedomchild ( 180377 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:16AM (#5873434)
    These lobbying groups have a way of creating the problems that they try to fight.

    For example: way back in 97 people were using IRC and Hotline and FTP to trade music, and it was under the radar to the mainstream. Then Napster comes along and the RIAA takes notice, and a staggering number of news stories announces to the public that it's possible to trade music online. The RIAA was the reason for the popularity of napster. And inderectly they are also responsible for the rise in popularity of trading movies on the net because of the migration to morpheus after napster's demise.

    Lobbying groups like the RIAA and the MPAA are doing a great service to the cause of piracy.

    I wonder why they don't see that.
  • by zakezuke ( 229119 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:16AM (#5873435)
    Great! In other news, RIAA proposes a tax on candles stating that, "wax cylinders are are of the earliest recording technoligies, and we are in danger of loosing valuable dollars with this presently unrestricted technology". Also on record, "Candles can be used to create recordings with very low technology, and we can't allow this." This form of piracy has the record companies scared as they tend to burn well destroying all evidence.

    RIAA also plans to sue a little girl in Beaverton Oregon for recording, "Mary had a Little Lamb".
    • RIAA also plans to sue a little girl in Beaverton Oregon for recording, "Mary had a Little Lamb".

      This is closer to the truth than you think. ASCAP tried to sue scouting organizations for using campfire songs without permission of the copyright holder. No kidding.

  • That they dont define what constitutes a "communications device" accuratly enough. This leaves a big loophole for the telcos, cable companies etc to exploit.

    For example, is the modem on my desk the "origin/destination of the communications"?
    Is it the port/motherboard/other hardware in the computer? Is it the drivers, network dll files & TCP/IP stack? Is it the internet clients (like Mozilla or Trillian for example)?
  • Welcome... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @04:29AM (#5873473)

    ...to the world's first IPocracy.

  • Next thing you know two people in suits will be knocking at your door demanding to know what you believe. "Hello. Do you use P2P? Here is the latest edition of Rolling Stone with a special article by Madonna on why you shouldn't share *.mp3's" And I thought that Jehovahs Witnesses were bad.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 04, 2003 @05:27AM (#5873607)
    As with everything in life there are exeptions but as far as the general impression I get from USA these days..I'm simply disgusted.. disgusted in that the american people let Bush steal the election (YEA HE DID!!).. disgusted in how the american government has abused the WTC catastrophy to get all sorts of severely abusive laws in place and how the public has let them.. disgusted at how fucked up the american so called justice system is, they call it justice but it does nothing but fulfill a lot of triggerhappy gunslinging angry revengeful peoples thirst for blood.. America has gone from admireable to just downright disgusting.. I pray and hope that the majority of the American population will see the light soon and DO something about the situation instead of just sitting idly by. I get blased with ppl telling me that the general american population does NOT agree with what the government is doing but until all those who claim to be part of that need to GET OFF THEIR ASSES and DO something about the situation and then you need to come join the rest of the world instead of seeing yourself as superior to everyone else, as history proves over and over and over again.. whenever someone think they're better than anyone else.. there will be revolution. I feat that WTC was just the start of that.

    Please dont ruin the world and freedom for the rest of us.
    • The majority of the people in the United States support the current government. Look at the poll numbers [pollingreport.com] (67 percent as of last week). Hell, even 71% of Americans [washingtonpost.com] were supporting the way in Iraq. To believe that the majority of Americans do not support the current administration is foolhardy.

      That doesn't, of course, mean that they're right about everything. They certainly aren't, but they're also not in the minority. Pretending that they've stolen the popular will, or unfairly snatched an election (th
  • by philipsblows ( 180703 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @05:34AM (#5873619) Homepage

    It is unfortunate that things have to go this way, but until this silliness is brought home-- literally-- the masses can't get behind any effort to put a stop to it.

    Does the DMCA make life difficult or inconvenient for your family or non-technical friends? Probably not. Not in a way that they notice or associate with anything in particular. Not being able to rip music CDs may impact a reasonable chunk of the voting public, but no critical mass there.

    Wait until your parents want to Tivo their favorite TV show or a movie on a premium station that they pay extra for, but they find out that not only can they not record that show or movie, but in fact the Tivo is not really functional at all anymore... and maybe their VCR doesn't record everything they want, either.

    When voters are effected by this stuff, and when they are effected enough so that they get angry, matters like this will suddenly get the attention they deserve. So long as lobbyists and campaign contributors are the only ones making noise, there won't be anything reasonable coming out of our politicians.

    At least FCC Chairman Michael Powell likes his Tivo [wired.com], so maybe there will be some advocacy there. Maybe.

  • by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @05:35AM (#5873621) Homepage Journal
    Back in the day, the commoners were only allowed to read the bible. People were persecuted for writing books with "subversive" or "heretical" thoughts and others for reading them. Scientists and scholars alike lived under the yoke of the church.

    Fast forward back to today.
    We are on the precipace of a technological dark age.
    Basic freedoms are being summarily dismissed when it comes to anything "technological" under the guise of "Intellectual Property and Copywrite Protection" as well as "Security Considerations"

    Think I'm paranoid?
    Maybe, but here's a couple quick comparisons:

    1600AD: All one has to do is cry " Witch!!" and the accused was immediately persecuted.

    2003AD: All one has to say is "MP3 Pirate!!!" And that person is immediately subject to persecution.

    1632AD: Galileo's The Dialogue Concerning the Chief World Systems was printed -- The ideas in this book leads to his arrest/trail/imprisonment

    2001AD: Dmitry Sklyarov arrested for writing software that was alleged to violate the DMCA

    Ironic ain't it :)
  • US and the world (Score:2, Insightful)

    by solanum ( 80810 )
    You know I really couldn't care less what happens in the US, I never intend to visit the place and the more riduculous laws they subject themselves to to, well you 'voted' the guys in, so you have to live with them.
    My problem is that now that the US has officially told the rest of the world you do what we say or else (not that it was much different previously, just a bit more hidden), we find that our governments are doing whatever the US wants. Now I didn't vote for the US government so why do they g
    • Ever hear of trickle down?

      The freedoms lost here will trickle to other countries that still have them, and similar laws will be passed there..

      Once you set a precedent in one place, its easier to do the same ( or worse ) elsewhere.

      "one world order" is the goal remember...
  • Damnit... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Mac Degger ( 576336 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @07:33AM (#5873851) Journal
    "theoretical and potential criminal liabilities for just about anybody on the planet"

    I was going to say that as someone in the EU, it wouldn't criminilise me....but then I rememebered how all those bad laws are slowly trickling down to the rest of the world. DCMA->EUCD etc.

    Just goes to show what kind of influence you can excert when you spend 40-50% of your national budget on defence^H^H^Hoffense, even when most of your policies aren't well thought out or even just plain wrong.
  • by adzoox ( 615327 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @07:39AM (#5873868) Journal
    Virginia and a few other states I know of ban radar detectors. To me, that is an invasion of privacy. A radar detector isn't necessarily used to "break the law" but everyone is guilty of exceeding the speed limit on a daily basis- same as a download of an MP3 isn't ALWAYS breaking the law and lots of people do it on a daily basis.

    One thing I really wish the RIAA and MPAA would SERIOUSLY crack down on and even make REWARD laws to police departments is Flea Markets. My local flea markets are FULL of people selling knockoffs and CDRs of both movies and say 50 cent/Eminem. And yes these people ARE different than file sharers because they are PURPOSELY trying to make money off of someone else's work. They are NOT sharing it without financial gain as "napster/kazaa users do".

    Rather than privacy intrusive laws like the article mentions and really even as DMCA is, I wish states would consider the battle more local and leave the organizations out of it. Instead, be more concerned for the taxable commerce in their state.

    I have always been concerned when the corporate world feels like they have the right to justice on their own without the law. Cable companies, Music companies, Movie companies (most are all 3) are beginning to be able to carry out vigilante justice on the public.

  • by Martigan80 ( 305400 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @07:47AM (#5873884) Journal
    Welcome to the land of the free, and the freedom to choose anything you want-just as long as it is our choice, and just as long as you buy it from our "preferred" retailers. Oh did I forget to mention that if you do anything remotely related to copying, fixing, or modifying this thing you will be sued until your whole family is bankrupt and your first-born child is in foster care. Now just sing here-here, and here. Leave one drop of blood for DNA logging ehhm verification. So what is that you would like to buy? Oh did I forget that if you take this out of the country the federal marshals have the right to shoot you? Sorry I forgot that little part.
  • Why don't we just skip the formalities and put the laws up on ebay. Yay or Nay, highest bid wins.
  • Myself, not that I do, I won't vote democrate either, its green party for me. Yeah I may be throwing my vote away, but democrates and republicans obiviously need corporations to hold their hand, maybe independents can think for themselves.
    • Throwing your vote away? Since when was this a popularity contest. I appreciate your efforts to learn about who it is you are actually voting for, but this diarhea of the mouth about 'throwing away your vote' is total garbage and just by using the phrase you show how little you are actually thinking about your ability to vote.

      Stop sounding like a whiney loser who expects their vote to not accomplish anything anyway, if you plan on carrying around that attitude please refrain from posting anymore. Theres a

  • Personally, I'd feel OK if hardware was divided into open and closed categories, as long as both were legally and corporately protected, and as long as copyrights were shortened to more realistic lengths. It would mean that movies would only be watchable on "approved", game-console-style devices, and that there would be only streaming, but it would also mean that content on demand would be possible and that copyrighted works would become public domain in a few years or decades. It would also mean that Hol
  • Worst-case scenario (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tomster ( 5075 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @09:19AM (#5874173) Homepage Journal
    You put the latest James Bond movie in your player, and your player (by law) automatically connects with your bank and credit card accounts. It sees you have made several purchases of Pepsi products in the past year, but no Coca Cola products. Unfortunately, as Coca Cola is a major advertiser^Wsponsor of the movie, you are barred from watching it -- it's required by law that you purchase products associated with "sponsors" in order to "protect the artists" who are making films. A pleasant voiceover says you must make a purchase of at least $45.83 in Coca Cola products to be qualified for the film.

    Joking aside, the disrespect these organizations (and their backers) show for their consumers is astounding. This bunker mentality is resulting in an unnecessary war which both the recording/movie industries and consumers will lose. The industries will lose because people will stop buying their products. The consumers will lose due to the laws restricting their legal rights.

    Move over government, this is the century of the mega-corp.

    -Thomas
  • by rknop ( 240417 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @09:22AM (#5874181) Homepage

    After sending forward the EFF's letter, as well as one of my own through physical mail, I got an E-mail message from Rob Briley, the TN House rep supporting the TN law. He said that those who opposed the law hadn't read the amendment, and that terrible amounts of misinformation were being spread about it. (I wrote back telling him that even with his amendment, I really didn't want that law.) In particular, he said that he had never been contacted by the MPAA, and wondered why people thought that.

    Given that this TN law is like the others and coming at the same time, I'm suspicious. It's possible that this just happened to come up on its own and be similar. More likely, though, Briley was contacted by somebody trying to get him to push this law. It's possible Briley is just lying to me, but it's also entirely plausible that Briely doesn't even know he's being used as a pawn of the MPAA.

    Gotta love this country.

    tndigitalfreedom.org has an account of several people showing up at a senate commitee hearing on the law. It was clear that most of the sentaors simply didn't understand the implication of the law... and they were relying on a cable industry guy to interpret it for them. When they learned that perhaps there were other things to worry about, they delayed passing the law out of committee. The alarming thing about this is that even though the senators showed a desire to do the right thing once they learned of worries, it does mean that it would have just rubber stamped through if the tndigitialfreedom people hadn't showed up. In other words, our state legislatures are probably passing laws they don't understand all the time, just because whatever industry lobbyist is interpreting it for them makes them feel all warm and fuzzy about it.

    Great, huh?

    -Rob

  • by release7 ( 545012 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @09:30AM (#5874218) Homepage Journal
    I think more scary than the movie industry thwarting technological and artistic advance for their own financial gain, is the fact that powerful interests can literally sneak bills into law with absolutely zero debate. Not good.
  • Bad J00 J00 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Zebra_X ( 13249 ) on Sunday May 04, 2003 @11:45AM (#5874869)
    The following scenarios are why the MPAA and this corporate IP nonsense needs to be stopped.

    Your cable provider sends a notice to all of its customers. It says that due to recent changes in local legislation that only Dell GX150 Desktop machines can be used with their cable internet service. All other equipment is no longer authorized to connect to the internet via the cable service. This then qualifies all non Dell GX150 devices that are communicating with the cable network as "unauthorized"[1]. Depending on how the courts interpret the law - this could make all "unauthorized communications devices"[1] (non-GX150), "unlawful access devices"[1]. A user in possession of an unlawful access device could then be prosecuted under this law for using a system that is not a Dell GX150.

    Certainly that is an extreme example though not completely implausible under the current stipulations in the law. It would be useful though to examine a more realistic scenario:

    The law is passed in your state legislature - but there are no apparent changes in policy with your service provider (the aforementioned cable provider). In the coming months and years after the law is passed, the MPAA and RIAA find out that there is a "malicious" user illegally "swapping" large amounts of "unlicensed" music in the form of MP3's over the cable provider's network. The RIAA and MPAA approach the cable provider about this user and threaten legal action against the cable company if it does not terminate the user's connectivity. The cable company, would have an easy time under this law finding "unauthorized" devices that are connected to their network,. There are provisions that make it a "crime to "receive ... transmit, [or] re-transmit" any communication service without the "express authorization" of the communication service provider."[1] The benevolent provider when pushed to find a reason to terminate the user's connectivity - can easily find one. And then the MPAA and RIAA can do as they wish with you.

    The real problem with this law is the broad terminology used and the fact that it can be so easily used to deny ANYONE communications services. The term "communications device" can mean anything. The dictionary definition of the term "device" could be argued to include network protocols as a "device for communicating", or even software that you have written that uses a network provided by someone else. The ambiguous terms defined in most of the versions of this law such as "communications devices" are dangerous for end users because they leave so much open for definition and interpretation. They are designed to target end users, so that the creators and proponents of this bill may engage users in direct or indirect legal action. An area where individuals are not well equipped to defend themselves.

    These scenarios listed here are just the beginning - the implications of this facet of the law are not limited to just the Music industry or consumers. They apply to communications everywhere.

    The simple matter of it is - this law is an "Exploit". The MPAA and RIAA are implementing the law and variations of it in the state legislatures because they are lower profile areas where legislators are less cognoscente of the implications of this bill. As a result this law will/has already grant the RIAA/MPAA the ability to influence those who do not have significant legal clout to do as they would see fit. Though, the MPAA and RIAA are only the most immediate concerns - the broad and general definitions laid out in this law can be used by any entity to deny communications services to an individual or organization. Fred von Lohmann speaks of transferring law enforcement from public to private hands, this is exactly that. Though, law enforcement is the exclusive domain of the Government. This law bypasses our legal system and allows other parties to prosecute under the guise of a "law". The only reason this can happen is that the state legislators have and insufficient understanding of the implications of s

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