DMCA, Auf Deutsch 233
Kavau continues: "The law does not directly prohibit the fabrication of private copies, but it offers the copyright holder the right to do just that. And we probably can expect the majority of copyright holders to make use of this right. The law simply takes away what US citizens would call the consumer's right to fair use. An exception is made for schools and research institutes, which may provide excerpts of copyrighted media to a group students or researchers.
One of the most important maxims of European law is "in dubio pro reo" (if in doubt, rule in favor of the defendant). While this principle applies to the judicature, and we are talking about the legislature here, the new law nevertheless seems to have perverted this principle: it treats every computer owner as a potential copyright pirate. Thank you, government, for the trust you are showing in your citizens! What's next? Special taxes on pen and paper? Note also that we are likely going to see similar laws in other European countries soon. The law follows guidelines imposed by the European Union in 2001."
Great (Score:5, Insightful)
Rus
Re:Great (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps it's time we outlawed corporations funding and fixing laws for their own benefit. :)
Re:Great (Score:3, Insightful)
No kidding. For a moment I almost felt sorry for Microsoft just now... they're only working how the government works.. openly corrupt, but "what can they do about it" attitude.
Seriously, if you're like me and not really into (or don't have time to) protesting on the street, stop buying anything you can't use in a way that is acceptible to you.
Money talks - that has been made clear time after time by corporations
Re:Great (Score:1)
Re:Great (Score:2)
There aren't many on our side, but the EFF is definitely one worthy of $25 of my income every month. They have a recurring payment system so you can "set it and forget it" (TM) (R) (C) K
It is ridiculous that the non-voting entities are those whom recieve the most favors from our elected officials.
Re:Great (Score:2)
Re:Great (Score:2, Funny)
RIAA threat to EU and a new job for Al-Sharif (Score:3, Interesting)
That reminds me: Maybe the Iraqi foreign minister will take up his next job as the RIAA spokes person
World Intellectual Property Organization Treaty (Score:4, Informative)
--CTH
We Told You Guys.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:We Told You Guys.... (Score:2)
Just don't block traffic. Those of you who were trapped at work for several hours because of anti-war protests know what I'm talking about.
Re:We Told You Guys.... (Score:2)
Re:We Told You Guys.... (Score:2)
You want to inconvenience those on your side? Yeah, brilliant move.
Re:We Told You Guys.... (Score:2)
2. Bomb, kill maim and export weapons.
3. Profit!
The ones profiting from war are not on my side.
Re:But they should... (Score:2)
You're right, they did get me to notice. They got me to hope they don't get anything they want.
Meanwhile, it's GWB they want to notice, not the city and especially not the fellow Americans such as my self who had nothing to do with changing the plans in Iraq.
Re:But they should... (Score:2)
Doesn't matter, it won't be stopped through protests. You're better off mimicking what the NRA does. Gather a bunch of money through fellow supporters, then use it to take out (politically, not through killing) a supporter of it. Give the politicians there a reason to be afraid of passing it.
Protests:
- Cause traffic problems, thus punishing your fellow citi
The Upper House is effectively a formality (Score:5, Informative)
What this law represents is making a decision already passed at EU level a law valid in Germany, they did not have a lot of room to maneuvre.
Re:The Upper House is effectively a formality (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The Upper House is effectively a formality (Score:4, Informative)
The CDU are in Opposition in Germany, but have the majority in the Upper house. They have indicated that they will see how this law turns out and maybe introduce a packet of updates to it.
I am not sure I trust them to do a good job, and their hands are pretty much tied by the EU directive 2001/29/EG anyway. This original EU directive was passed in June 2001 and should have been adopted as national law by the end of last year.
This means that other EU countries must have passed similar laws over the past few months, can anyone who knows comment on this?
Re:The Upper House is effectively a formality (Score:5, Informative)
You are right. So far Greece, Italy and Denmark has adapted their national copyright laws and others will follow. More info about the situation can be found from here: http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/EUCD-Status [wiki.ael.be]
We managed to postpone the implementation in Finland (the law was actually sent back from Parliament, party because it was very badly written, partly because it was over-reaching) but it will come back sooner or later. As long as the directive exists as today, there's not so much what can be done.
Ville
PS. We (EDRI) are starting a campaign to minimize the damage in Central and Eastern Europe. If you are from the region and want to actually do something, please contact me!
Wasn't far reaching enough for the FDP (Score:2)
Re:Wasn't far reaching enough for the FDP (Score:2)
I said I don't trust the CDU.
As to the FDP's priorities, a couple of years back I had a small company in the S of Germany. I got targeted mail from the FDP pointing out that they were representing me - the small businessman.
I have never seen the need for Doctors, Dentists and Lawyers to have their own party.
Re:The Upper House is effectively a formality (Score:3, Informative)
And the FDP are against it because they think the law is not hard enough on users.
As a Swiss, I'm happy that we're not in the EU, so we don't have to comply with the EU directive. But our government has the nasty habit of "autonomously" implementing virtually every piece of EU legislation... often well in advance of most EU Member states. I'm afraid.
so that would mean... (Score:1)
Printers == copyright circumvention device? (Score:1)
Re:Printers == copyright circumvention device? (Score:2)
This is not a lot but very, very, stupid. Unless the rest of the EU does the same, it is easy to pop over a border for a purchase.
Re:Printers == copyright circumvention device? (Score:2)
Re:Printers == copyright circumvention device? (Score:2)
To an extent, I can understand taxes on writeable CDs/DVDs but it is too expensive and takes too long to copy more than a part of a document for copying of entire books to be widespread. The only exception would be those reports and standards which may have a massive cost per page.
The other
Re:Printers == copyright circumvention device? (Score:2)
CD Burners have had something like this for a while, as have Cassette players (I think) not sure what the amount is though.
There is a great tendency here for the Government (all parties) to treat the consumer as something to be 'Milked', they will happily create a new tax to pay off some special-interest group such as the GEMA (Ge
The guy with his "soviet russia" sig may be joking (Score:3, Insightful)
And before you starts speaking of alternative, let me snort a big time and ask you if those alternative are for the big public or only a few hacker resistant.
Babels rough translation... (Score:3, Informative)
link [altavista.com]
are they @#$#@$ing MAD!? (Score:2)
Now both the tax and the ink will cost more than the printer!
nope (Score:2)
You wouldn't believe it, but people actually throw ink ribbons for it away! I got a whole case of the things for free.
Cell phones (Score:2, Insightful)
Wait.. you probably shouldn't tell me, it might be illegal.
Re:Cell phones (Score:1)
My German Friends... (Score:1)
Re:My German Friends... (Score:2, Insightful)
So the only place where we are safe for now on is in some 3rd world countries where they just have bigger problems than "piracy", maybe even real pirates with eyecaps and everything. Who knows *g*.
But why am I joking? It's just sad. We need a scheme in which musicians/actors/writers can make money without selling CDs/DVDs,.../books. Or a change in mind in which "star"/manager != millionaire
But I
Dead Kenedys eat your heart out. (Score:3, Funny)
yah, yah, yah. (Score:2)
Schade (Score:2)
Jeden Tag verlieren wir immer mehr unserer Rechte, die Profite der großen Firmen zu schützen.
Michael. [michael-forman.com]
Re:Schade (Score:2)
Die Industrie scheint zu denken das es ein Privileg ist, das Individum (sprich Kunde) das es sein Recht ist.
Ich denke beide liegen Falsch, die Entscheidung sollte beim Kuenstler liegen. Immerhin ist es deren "Baby".
Re:Schade (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Schade (Score:2)
In den meisten Faellen zahlen Kuenstler ja auch fuer die Produktion ihrer Alben. D.h. wenn deine neue Band ein Album aufnimmt mag die Plattenfirma das zwar zunaechst Finanzieren, die holen sich das Geld aber wieder.
Anstatt jetzt halt zu Warten bis Du mit deinen Urlaubsfotos Geld verdienen moechtests geht man gleich schonmal davon aus und nimmt dich in die Finanzielle Verantwortung fuer dein Potentizial.
Schoene neue Welt.
Re:Schade (Score:2)
Re:Schade (Score:2)
Why not use Google's translation of the page [google.com]?
Re:Schade (Score:2)
Das Problem ist ja wirklich das die meiste "Kunst" heutzutage ein Produkt ist.
Frueher hat natuelrich auch der Koenig oder was auch immer den Kuenstler bezahlt (z. B. Mozart) aber am ende wurde keiner darin gehindert in der Kneipfe seine eigene Musik aufzufuehren.
Es wundert mich ehrlich gesagt das noch keiner auf die Idee gekommen ist eine Zwangsabgabe auf Musikinstrumente einzufuehren, immerhin spielen die ja alle die selben Noten.
They are irrelavent anyhow.... (Score:5, Insightful)
IMHO, the real battle is going on in the US. If we win here, than the other countries will fall like dominos - and ease copy restrictions across the board, if we loose here then there is no way in hell any other country is going to have the strength to hold out.
Therefore, if you are from outside the USA - I recommend paying attention to what goes on here 1st. Copyrights are very quickly becoming unenforceable without draconian measures, with trillions at stake, for each side, I wouldn't be supprised if all hell's about to break loose.
Re:They are irrelavent anyhow.... (Score:2)
Re:They are irrelavent anyhow.... (Score:4, Informative)
US is definately important and your trade-policy is currently aimed to secure markets to Disney and Microsoft, what ever it takes. In this sense it's very important what happens in the "new continent".
Never the less, EU is still independent and currently there are some indicators that the wind is really changing here to more reasonable direction. For example European Parliament (which nowadays has even some political power) has taken so far a VERY interesting stance on software patents:
ITRE [eu.int]
CULT [eu.int]
Anyway most of this laws are based on international treaties and unless the lobbying will start in WIPO and WTO, the fight is futile..
Ville
PS. We (European Digital Rights) are starting a campaign to minimize the damage coming from EUCD in Central and Eastern Europe. If you are from the region and want to actually do something, please contact me!
Re:They are irrelavent anyhow.... (Score:2)
Well, good luck, and on behalf of all American's who are sick and tired of Microsoft and Disney shoving copyrights down everyones throat, I apologize. We don't like it here either.
I'm not from Europe, but Perhaps if we make the battle tough enough here it will do more to keep the dogs off your back over there. Perhaps that's what's already happening. LOL!
Re:They are irrelavent anyhow.... (Score:3, Interesting)
You raise a very curious point.
I'm from (South) Asia, and quite honestly, have always marvelled at European multi-lateralism; for instance, it always struck me curious that Brussels, Paris, and Amsterdam, cities in different countries, are easily accessible by train from any German smalltown. Something that's definitely not possible in South Asia. The point really, is that you seem to sound as if you're given to the idea that lobbying against draconian IPR laws has to be done at an international -pan-Europ
visionaries vs reactionaries (Score:3, Insightful)
As a historian once told me - history is a story of visionaries and reactionaries. The visionaries create the new future, and the reactionaries try to block those changes and keep the status quo. Here one might say, the USA is the visionary and old-Europe is the reactionary. The US is constantly changing, and growing, where Europe is trying to maintain the world super power status they once had. Another example, visionary currency traders figured out how to call a nations "bluff" (eg when when HK artif
Re:visionaries vs reactionaries (Score:3, Insightful)
I disagree.
The US is constantly changing, and growing, where Europe is trying to maintain the world super power status they once had.
The US is trying to increase the reach of its world hegemony. The EU is effectively becoming (ov
Re:visionaries vs reactionaries (Score:2)
Re:They are irrelavent anyhow.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, if copyrights eventually do become effectively unenforcable (which they will be without a totalitarian world government), how would artists eat, and how would media execs be able to pay for their 4th vacation house? Would civilization as we know it collapse (heh), or would a new balance emerge on its own? Yeah, the latter.
It seems to me that two things would happen: 1) The original and valuable act of creation can't be copied (there's no A.I. V
Not the whole thing is bad (Score:1)
It allows scientific articals ect to be distributed in intranets without need for royality fees if it is for tutoring purposes.
Of couese the puplishers are fuming, but they are even worse than the music industry.
(in germany,for example), a great part of the research at university is funded by the gouvernment. The results are given to puplishers for free. Now the puplishers make a little bit of peer-review (of course everyone his happy if he is allowed to review an article,
pardon me (Score:2)
Only when I see a home printer capable of printing money, including security measures, will I see a need to restrict printers.
Re:pardon me (Score:2)
If we don't someone could scan a cd, print it out and glue it on a regular disc and play it!
Somebody please think about our children?
time to tax artists, typists and other humans too (Score:4, Insightful)
Okay, yeah, I'm preaching to the choir. I don't believe these IP owners are losing money... and I don't believe they will increase their flow by screwing people via the government using taxes.
And where that is concerned, I can't understand how it can be both ways!!
Either (A) criminalize the act of copying or (B) legalize and tax the act of copying. You can't do both! (Okay, they can do both, but it's kind wrong though.)
I can't understand how we can be taxed for "potentential criminal activity."
Re:time to tax artists, typists and other humans t (Score:2)
Let's make a list of everything they could demand compensation for;
- Xerox machines
- VCRs
- Tape Recorders
- Cameras, still and video
- CD and DVD Players with an analog out.
- Sharpie Markers (for defeating copy restriction...)
- The internet
- Microphones
- Computers
Re:time to tax artists, typists and other humans t (Score:2)
Re:time to tax artists, typists and other humans t (Score:2)
I guess that means it's permanent...
Interesting developments... (Score:5, Insightful)
Under new American/EU policy, you get your hand chopped off so that you can't steal.
And *who* has the brutal regime here?
Re:Interesting developments... (Score:3, Insightful)
I know, I know, don't feed the troll bla bla bla, but heck, you have a +5 rating, so might as well reply.
Point #1: I've made this point elsewhere on this site, but stuff about pan-Arabic (Islamic) brotherhood - forget about it. Never existed, never will.
Point #2: The so-called Arabic law you speak of actually talks about chopping your hands off. I mean, physically. In public view. The state-sponsored butcher asks you to stretch your hand, raises his sword, and splat, wipes your blood off his stained cloth
Re:Interesting developments... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Interesting developments... (Score:2)
Okay, so the north was justified in fighting the southern confederacy. It was also justified the years after the war where confederate soldiers weren't allowed to hold political office. What does your post have to do with this thread?
This statement makes no sense, considering the north won the civil war.
Ah well (Score:2)
Here in the NL we already have something on that, being charges 0,14 extra per CD-RW last time I bought a batch. Feels lovely to get fined for a crime I did not commit. Yet. Hell, I already paid my fine, so now I can copy copyrighted crap without worries, based on the fact you can get charged for the same offense twice. Too bad that won't work in court when I'm facing a small army of lawyers...
Also, if there are any other dutch people around here, (hard to imagine there aren't) does any of you have any i
Re:Ah well (Score:2)
Ah heck, just figure I'll go buy my media at Beverwijk next time... Unless people started to taxt the black market as well. Wouldn't surprise me, bunch of thieving vultures.
Cure the Disease (Score:2)
You can also watch as corporation-like entities such as Church of Scientology take over all three branches of government (in the United States). They have police, judges, and legislators in their pockets.
DMCA disease sweeps Europe (Score:5, Informative)
The German parliament [bundestag.de] which has just adopted [heise.de] DMCA-style provisions [bmj.bund.de] to outlaw the circumvention of technical protection measures that control and curtail the fair use [privatkopie.net] of intellectual property (and only needs the other House's assent for part of the new legislation) makes Germany the third country, following Denmark and Greece [theregister.co.uk], to implement the highly controversial [eucd.org] "monstrosity" [www.ivir.nl] known as the European Union Copyright Directive 2001/29/EC [eu.int].
This move, allegedly a "propaganda victory" dubbed "lex Bertelsmann" (after the giant media conglomerate [bertelsmann.com] expected to line their corporate pockets under the new laws) in furious [heise.de] disapproval [theinquirer.net] by tech-savvy parts of the news media, makes Germany one of the early adopters [biomedcentral.com] setting an unfortunate precedent for further European countries like the UK [patent.gov.uk] and France [eucd.info] whose citizens, and notably developers like Linux kernel guru Alan Cox [slashdot.org], will probably not be spared from similar legislation for much longer either.
Although open-source researchers [ifross.de], cyber-rights activists [slashdot.org] and even the ruling Social Democrats' very own IT experts [fitug.de] as well as hardware manufacturers [heise.de] underlined the severe dangers and inconsistencies [heise.de] of this new and doubtful philosophy [openp2p.com] extending copyright law to reduce many of the general public's rights to insignificance, in a debate focusing only on academic exemptions [heise.de] from the publishers' power grab, the opposition even tried to tighten [heise.de] the government's bill [bmj.bund.de], ignoring widespread experiences of Chilling Effects [chillingeffects.org] such as censorship and assaults on the Freedom to Tinker [freedom-to-tinker.com] during the past four years [eff.org] under the EUCD [eu.int]'s U.S. counterpart of draconian "bad law and bad policy [nytimes.com]", the flawed [eff.org] Digital Millennium Copyright Act [loc.gov], another overreaching [berkeley.edu] implementation of the
Circumvention is not allowed, but you don't get (Score:3, Informative)
The draft text of the law states that circumvention for private use is not allowed, but cannot be punished. It also states that you have the right to make a private copy. It doesn't say you have the right to a private copy.
Private use means that you can give a copy to people you have immediate private contact, i.e. friends and family.
German to English with altavista (Score:2, Informative)
The very last part de_en can be substituted with your language but I don't have a list handy.
Sometimes the translations are very funny.
Not too worried any more... (Score:4, Insightful)
Then I think about how, here in the USA(TM), it is illegal to drink under the age of 21, illegal to have sex under the age of 17 (most states) and illegal to smoke pot. Yet these events happen every day, all the time, easily and freely. At least for us geeks that manage to get out of the house a few days a week! :)
So I ask myself, "Self! What is harder to stop the distribution of: a physical, smelly, heavy shippment of pot, or an mp3?" And then I realize that NOTHING can stop me from enjoying my music where and when I want. If the USA(TM) government can't stop the Crack and the Pot, how can they stop mp3's, an invisible, intangible, almost instantly transferable commodity?
They can't.
Re:Not too worried any more... (Score:2)
Maybe not, but if they find out that you do it, they'll charge you $97.8 billion [slashdot.org]
And yet... (Score:4, Insightful)
We still put money in their pockets, the same money they use to buy these legislators.
What is wrong with us?
Re:And yet...for good reason (Score:2)
Americans are sheep. We have to be told what to do and what to buy. We have bought into this status and money game, we are consumers. Why was there a Hummer driving next to me on the commute to work today? Why is there an insane amount of suburban sprawl? Why is the answer to s
Germany. Europe. (Score:3, Interesting)
This is the lowest point since last June, when Palladium was announced. At that time I thought, if Americans want to sell their freedom to Valenti&Rosen, that's their problem, and this piece of suicidal legislation will never pass in Europe because Europe is just soooo cultivated - or so I thought.
Today, Europe's most cultivated country adopts the DMCA. The other european countries are likely to follow. Even the UK - who has always been good at preserving its freedom - will fall, because he won't dare to offend the US. France will fall in the end : although she likes very much to disagree with the US, and although she values citizenship higher than any economic consideration, she can't do much without Germany.
So, DMCA, Palladium, Longhorn, all that will be in Europe just as soon as in the USA. Palladium hardware is already being manufactured - think about the Opteron. The Palladium OS, Longhorn, will be released in 2005 or 2006. Somewhat later, when critical mass will be reached, the 'secure network' will be activated, thus cutting us from the mainstream network.
The question is no longer how to avoid it. The only thing that could have prevented it from happening was lack of international cooperation. Even the USA were not mighty enough to kill alone the internet. International cooperation was needed. There it is.
The question is how long it will take before people react. The main factors that are going to maintain them asleep are
1) vast availability of media contents on the palladium network
2) patriotism, excited by fear (of terrorism, of piracy...)
3) ignorance : not everybody understands why palladium is so bad.
Reason 1) is definitely the most dreadful. Because 2) and 3) can only be temporary, or so I think. But think of the 'brave new world' book by Huxley and you'll understand how I feel about 1).
I want to pirate using a cell phone (Score:2)
WIPO and EUCD (Score:3, Informative)
The protection of DRMS - the controversial part of the DMCA - has never been an US-only law. It is also part of the WIPO Copyright Treaty [wipo.int] (WCT) currently signed by 51 countries [wipo.int], including the European Communities and all of its member states.
While the WCT could theoretically be ignored by its signatories as there's no legal system to enforce its implementation, this is different for the European Communities member states: The EC has implemented the WCT as a EC Directive (Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001 on the harmonisation of certain aspects of copyright and related rights in the information society [eu.int]), which is binding to all EC member countries. It had to be implemented until 22 Dec 2002 (yes, last year).
So, one should note that:
To really change something, you have to address the WCT (and the EUCD).
Re:Which paper? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Which paper? (Score:2)
A closer relationship than that. The Inquirer [theinquirer.net] was founded (about two years ago, I think) by Mike Magee, who previously founded and edited The Register [theregister.co.uk], which continues in his absence.
Re:Which "paper"? (Score:1)
Re:Which "paper"? (Score:1)
A quick Babel Fish of the article (not a bad translation either), however, shows that the law is not wholly welcomed.
Link to Babel Fish translation:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltru
The article is quite long, best not to post it in whole.
Re:Which "paper"? (Score:1)
Re:Excuse Me... (Score:3, Insightful)
You people do realize not everybody in this world has the same rights, right?
But what does a US Law have anything to do whatsover with MY Rights Online?
You do realize not everybody in this world is boud to US rights, right?
Re:No such thing as 'rights' (Score:2)
I disagree, and is is easy to see from the declaration of independence and the bill of rights ....
...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these e
Re:No such thing as 'rights' (Score:2)
I like to think of rights like the laws of physics, or engineering. There are different way's people can go about building things, different syntaxes of the equasions the use to get there, differnent ways of observing them, some engineering is less rigorous than others, but there are still fundamental premises there that the universe follows certain rational rules and from that derives the practice. We are not at the pinnacle of science either, and there is a lot we have to learn, but that does not mean
Re:No such thing as 'rights' (Score:2)
"Rights" are not objective, quantifiable or measurable. In short, they bear no resemblance whatsoever to the laws of physics, maths or the principles of engineering and science.
What some people consider a right, others may consider nothing more than a convenience (eg: "right to bear arms")...
Even where the same basic rights exist (eg: "free speech"), they will different in important details - or, more accurately, how they may be exercise
Re:No such thing as 'rights' (Score:2)
Yes you can, but what you cant change is the consequences of these social constructs.
I agree with you there. Democracy is not an end in itself, but a tool for protecting individual librties. And like any tool it can be abused too, the end in itself is really how effectively a government upholds indi
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Well (Score:3, Funny)
Read a fucking history book or better yet, go visit Berlin.
Asshole.
Re:germany is just trying to butter up the US (Score:2)
The EU directive this is based on was passed back in summer 2001 and is binding on all member-states.
Re:Oh, big surprise. (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Oh, big surprise. (Score:2)
Re:Again with the cell phones, already. (Score:3, Informative)
-Rusty
Re:I don't get it... (Score:2)
I suspect that the CellPhone inclusion is the result of the fact that a CellPhone may be built to ignore any instructions in a ringtone file that say not to forward same ringtone to your friends. Since some ring tones are fragments o
Right... (Score:2)
Re:German law (Score:2)
For murder the maximum is life sentence but you can get out after 15 years under certain circumstances
The two main goals of German law are a) to dissuade others from doing the same and b) penance and remorse with the intent of reintegrating the culprit into society. In cases where that seems unlikely (the reintegration part - i.e. another crime seems probable, child molesters and other sex offenders in most cases) it
Re:German law (Score:2)
Yes, this means that Human Rights could theoretically be enforced in Russia much better than in the USA.
Re:They have legalised copyright breaking? (Score:2)
Traditinally, you are explicitly allowed to make copies for private use, for example (whatever is called "fair use" in the US).
As a compensation, there's a "tax" (which is levied by copyright holder associations, not the government) on media and devices, which are "desinged to copy material protected by copyright".
In principle, that's a good idea: You don't have to give up you personal freedom, and the authors still get their money.
The Digital Right Management Systems change that: