Why ICANN Needs Fresh Blood 96
scubacuda writes "Akash Kapur of CircleID has written an editorial, Why ICANN Needs Fresh Blood: A Deeper View . Kapur writes, "ICANN was born amid the heady days of Internet euphoria. Its early promise to be the world's first global democracy (not to mention an entirely new form of governance) was a product of that euphoria. But like so many dot-coms, ICANN quickly succumbed to the hubris of its own vision. If ICANN has been a troubled organization from the start, then that is in no small measure because it over-promised at the start....What's needed is fresh blood -- new personalities, and new ideas to break the ideological impasse." Kapur lists cancelled at-large elections, the authoritarianism and secrecy of ICANN discussion, and the narrowing possibility that ICANN could represent a new model of governance as indicators that global democracy has failed."
Lies ICANN told me (Score:3, Informative)
At a later and very private meeting where NSI and ICANN finally signed with each other, some very high up IBM
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Re:Fresh Blood? (Score:1)
But then we'd have to worry about skeletons. You know, the mean kind that Necromancers auto-summon if they have enough mana. Kinda like all those terrorist states that keep getting in our way now that the Soviets are gone. Though I doubt we'd have to worry too much about that with ICANN. What are they gonna do, throw paperwork at us?
Total reorganization (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually what we need is... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Actually what we need is... (Score:4, Insightful)
because extra beaurocracy _always_ solves organizational problems. Please, no...
Re:Total reorganization (Score:2)
The problem was Goals, not Organization (Score:2)
ICANN (Score:3, Funny)
Re:ICANN (Score:1)
ICANN's effort at Empire Building (Score:5, Interesting)
--CTH
Re:ICANN's effort at Empire Building (Score:5, Insightful)
The real shame of ICANN is not ICANN - although there is more than enough in that swamp alone - but, rather, in the way that the US government, in the form of the US Dept of Commerce, has abandoned principles of Constitutional and administrative law. Congress is only slightly less to blame for letting the executive branch (which is where one finds the Dep't of Commerce) get away with it.
I have suggested reforming ICANN - not the pseudo reform that ICANN has gone through. See my notes at http://www.cavebear.com/rw/apfi.htm [cavebear.com]
Globalization is a keyword (Score:3, Insightful)
At the same time Internet existence
Re:Globalization is a keyword (Score:2)
That is exactly my point. But the conclusions are different. I share the point of many countries that such international law enforment must be developed, while you, as well as most of other Americans, think that America is
Re:Globalization is a keyword (Score:1)
Where did you come up with a chestnut like that?
The only thing preserving democratic rule are borders that establish boundaries within which at least some of humanity to govern themselves. There is no trans-national organization that enforces any kind of democracy on the world as a whole. The United Nations is a body with representatives appointed by the vari
Re:Globalization is a keyword (Score:2)
Your place is in prison where your rules will be very "preserved". Perhaps you had never chance to live in Soviet Union, otherwise you won't be so blind. But I guess that deep inside you care more to preserve your fat ass from the poor people who can flood your country.
There is no trans-national organization that enforces any kind of democracy on the world as a wh
Re:Globalization is a keyword (Score:1)
People don't and can't live in a democracy if they're not ruled by an elected government. Many parts of the world do not have elected governments. There isn't much, if any, impetus going on in the world today to elect one big world government. Governments consistently become less controllable by the people they govern as they scale to bigger and bigger sizes.
Other than a big cluster of Multinational Corporations controlled by International Capital,
Re:Globalization is a keyword (Score:2)
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Re:ICANN's effort at Empire Building (Score:2)
They will exist exactly as long as the root servers take orders from them and not a moment longer.
What is really needed is a more decentralized structure to hole them in check. I would rather see an organization for each TLD. That way if one gets too out of hand, the damage is limited. Such a split would also emphasize that the internet is decentralized and by nature anti-authoritarian. The leaders of the organizations would be able to plainly see that their authority is limited.
On ICANN and its latest chronicler... (Score:2, Interesting)
Naipaul tells Kapur that all the questions Kapur has faxed him for the interview are inane. Naipaul further instructs Kapur to go read Naipaul's books instead of wasting the author's time by asking him to repeat himself. Much of this transcript also ran in the UK new
Re:On ICANN and its latest chronicler... (Score:2)
The first few years of any democracy can be hard (Score:4, Interesting)
Wow. (Score:1)
Re:Wow. (Score:1)
should be sent to webmaster@icann.org [mailto].
Why don't you drop 'im a line, then.
Nostalgia... (Score:5, Funny)
Mmmm...Fresh Blood... (Score:1)
ICANN != w3c (Score:4, Informative)
(in)action (Score:5, Insightful)
It took me a long time to realize this, but the Internet qua Internet will NOT change the world for the better.
If you were part of the upper echelon in the Soviet Union, would YOU want democracy? Would you give up the security--your nice apartment, caviar dinners, and KGB contacts--to live in a country where you didn't know what your lot/role in life would be?
Once you look at it this way, everything from the way that closed regimes limit netizens' access to information makes to the way cable and software companies (namely, Microsoft) "act strategically" makes sense.
People/governments/regimes have worked hard to make their way to the top. They're not about to put in place policies or architectures in place that threaten that hegemony.
My question to the
Re:(in)action (Score:1)
Probably nothing. It will all boil down to International Treaties. All the geeks on the planet will be able to do precious little.
I'd love to see it differently however....
Change What? (Score:2)
It assigns numbers, IP numbers that's realy all we need from them. As far as names anyone can do names, it would take the average unix/linux sysadmin what about 15 - 20 minutes to put their own Domain Name Server online? All they have to do is poll other name servers, example someone types in
The biggest thing that ICANN seems to be doing is promoting an artificial
Re:(in)action (Score:2)
If you were part of the upper echelon in the Soviet Union, would YOU want democracy? Would you give up the security--your nice apartment, caviar dinners, and KGB contacts--to live in a country where you didn't know what your lot/role in life would be? and then ...
My question to the /. community is: what do we do to change this? We are arguably the biggest nerd gathering on the planet. Individually we might not have clout, but with the right direction, collectively we might...
If you understand freedom
Re:(in)action (Score:1)
Re:(in)action (Score:1)
[evil laugh] muhahahahahahahaha [/evil laugh]
Re:(in)action (Score:1)
PLEASE. You'd have better luck organizing the sand of an entire beach into a nice tidy pile using a rake.
The only thing hackers can do to change the
ICANN was always a joke (Score:5, Insightful)
The design of the DNS system makes ICANN unnecessary. The whole idea of ICANN was founded by people who did not understand how this was so for the purpose of establishing privilege ( as in from Latin privilegium, a law affecting one person : privus, single, alone + lex, leg-, law ) for certain minorities to exert control over the DNS namespace.
Large corporations and cadres of lawyers are just as happy as the rest of us about domain squatting. They are even less happy about the whole somethingSUCKS.com court decisions which (by interpereting the US Constitution 1st Amendment) allow people to set up very spiffy parody sites to lampoon their hard-fought corporate images. How are they going to get control of this nasty thorn in their side?
The correct way for those people to solve their problem is to "fork" the DNS root and create their own set of root servers supervised by their lawyers. They could then begin boycotting the original root servers' registrars, and require end users to use DNS servers that submit to their authority. The first problem with that is how so many corporations will fail to agree on enough details to let that happen. The second problem is that anyone could selectively forward queries to their servers for some lookups, and forward queries to other peoples' servers for other lookups. Each DNS server decides who to delegate what authority to. Each end-user could theoretically run their own DNS server without ever needing to query a root server.
The bottom line is that DNS is anarchy, but there is a de facto consensus to trust several root server operators to be cool. The first step to accomplishing what the IANA wants to do is to convince people to revoke trust in the existing root servers. Instead, they keep trying to bully the root server operators, who roll their eyes and sigh..
The real risk that the IANA faces is that the DNS root server authority gets institutionalized in a widely publicised and debated way. If they can't weasel their way into control quietly, they risk the door being be slammed in their face by a new consensus formed out of "informed consent". It's like the UN where everybody has a veto, and it is terribly uncertain how the vote will go.
The real reason the ICANN is such a joke is that the tootpaste is out of the tube. People are widely aware of the attempted power grab, and the important people know how futile that is once it is widely known. ICANN would only be allowed to operate if it behaved identically to the current system, which begs the question: why are we fixing it if it isn't broke?
Pay attention to Verisgn.com (who bought NSI). They will attempt to leverage DNS authority with their x509 business. Look at how BIND9 signed-zones are supposed to work. It isn't just ICANN we should be worried about.
Learn PGP keyring management. It is complicated. It is very worthwhile though. The PGP trust management system is our defense. We should seek to protect the right to that system in the Supreme Court of the US under the Bill of Rights.
Re:ICANN was always a joke (Score:1)
Re:ICANN was always a joke (Score:2)
If ICANN tried to do this (they are a committee of random people who do not run all the root servers), it would require the cooperation of all the root namserver operators. A fork in the DNS authority means some root namserver operators will gladly serivce those requests.
The dissenters would update their root zone to delete NS records pointing to noncooperative root DNS servers, and the root dns servers who got removed from that zone would prolly do the same. The rest of the internet would be split based
Old Gaurd won't go down without a fight. (Score:2)
nice post (Score:1)
Would you care to expound more on the central issue? How would you attempt to regulate ICANN for the better? Or, abandon it to several internets? That would be more my choice. Granted, confusion and more than a little anar
Re:Global democracy cannot work for obvious reason (Score:1)
Sounds like a certain Super power at the moment, not mentioning any names of course.
Seriously though what world do you live on and what the hell are you smoking. You are saying that the rule of law is a bad thing?? Shit in that case its militias all the way then.
Lets get something straight, most of the developed world and a fair chunk of the developing world thinks the Internat
Okay, I've got the fresh fawn's blood right here. (Score:1, Offtopic)
Fresh blood (Score:2)
Clearly, this has nothing to do with internet governance. I don't need to RTFA to know that it is a bizarro Barbarian at the Gates moment where Carl Icahn kicks his heroin habit with help from Keith Richards and Lestat and then goes on to do a leveraged buyout of AOL.
GF.
Really dumb (Score:2)
Sounds like someone else purchased too much into the dot.bomb foolishness. Come on, ICANN as a government model? A failure of democracy? He should stop smokin whatever he is smokin.
Nolo Contendre (Score:2, Interesting)
And no, I *didn't* RTFA.
Why even bother with ICANN (Score:4, Interesting)
"Fresh" blood? (Score:2)
Oh, you mean NEW blood.
Sorry, but sometimes you gotta nitpick the English usage..
The U.S. Government Should Take it Back (Score:1)
Re:The U.S. Government Should Take it Back (Score:1)
rack off nimwad
And now for my supporting arguments. The Internet is no longer an American owned idea. It now belongs to the world, and as such any move by the Americans to try and regain any sort of control they had over it would probably result in the US being cut out of the picture.
It is now the year 2003, we have moved beyond the original project that was the ancestor of the Internet, while it would be a pain to replace the hardware we
Re:The U.S. Government Should Take it Back (Score:1)
Re:The U.S. Government Should Take it Back (Score:1)
Re:The U.S. Government Should Take it Back (Score:1)
If you want the American control of the net to remain, just keep things the way they are.
Anybody got any tea hancy? (Score:1)
Why they need fresh blood? (Score:2, Funny)
Incompetent Corrupt Asinine Numbskull Nincompoops (Score:2)
Next - I have no doubt that ICANN are corrupt - that they violate Trademark and Competition Law with Sunrise Process and UDRP.
Fact: They know how to identify all registered trademarks on the Internet - yet hide this.
The solution has been ratified by honest lawyers.
More facts for you:
You can legally use any word, words or initials to start a new business without registering a trademark - providing y
Logically speaking, a dupe (Score:2)