Google Relists Operation Clambake

DarkZero writes: "After almost every tech site and individual geek banded together to either carry the story about Google's delisting of Operation Clambake or flat-out protest it, Google has apparently relisted Xenu.net. Searches for 'xenu' and 'scientology' list Operation Clambake as the first and fourth results, respectively. The search for "scientology" also lists a story from C|Net about Google delisting Operation Clambake, as well as a protest ad from a Kuro5hin reader (oc3)." Update: 03/22 12:52 GMT by M : We jumped the gun. Google only relisted Xenu.net's homepage (where the copyright claims by Scientology were clearly bogus), not the rest of the pages listed in Scientology's DMCA complaint. Some Google sysadmin is getting aggravated because every 20 minutes, another memo from management is coming down telling him to alter the live database.

Good for them!

[Jin Wicked]

Now I hope everyone who made such a fuss here (and elsewhere) will be willing to help in whatever way they can if the Scientologists decide to go after Google with their lawyers and drag them to court. I would like Google to continue to be around for a long time, and not go bankrupt fighting these crazies.

Frightening

[Anonymous Coward]

That a marginal religion such as Scientology could wield such massive power is truly a frightening concept.

This without having any serious followers in governmental leadership positions.

Clever.

[zapfie]

Clever. Excellent way for Google to demonstrate a point about the DMCA without in the end actually delisting the site. Kudos to them.

Not only that ...

[Constant]

There's also following "sponsored link" appearing highlighted in nice green, when looking for the word "scientology": "Scientologist are Evil? Why is Google censoring this site? What are the Scientologist hiding? www.xenu.net:" Comes up only on some of the searches, though - so you need to click few times to get it. So, Xenu.net gets even better covarage then before Scientology started to fight it. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot .. :-) The only thing I'm waiting now for - an official statement and explanation from Google on today's turbulent events.

"Operation Foot-Bullet" scores another direct hit

[Anonymous Coward]

Once again, Scientology finds that a major attack against the Internet boomerangs around and kicks them in the ass. Some great PR you scored, guys. (I may add that they first caught my attention when they tried canceling the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup, and I haven't stopped watching since).

This news, and the immediate backlash regarding the submission [slashdot.org] of the "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act" make me wonder if it's possible companies and large organizations will be losing their grip on government? The important factor in this, which I haven't yet seen mentioned is The passing of the "landmark Campaign Reform Bill", which elimiantes "soft money" contributions that companies like the MPAA, RIAA, etc are relying on. [latimes.com]

This bill seems like a radical change in how our government works. Will the result be that bad laws like the DMCA go away now that politicians won't be AS paid for by corporations and other large organizations?

Scientology and Southpark

[CathedralRulz]

Scientology is a complete fraud, but an interesting fraud. I would encourage anyone even marginally curious to take a look at the explanation of the cult on xenu.net. The Scientologists had an interesting conflict with the creators of Southpark. In a skit for the MTV Music Awards show, the South Park creators lambast Scientology and were threatened with lawsuits - yet they didn't back down. Here is the link to a description of the skit. Here. [aol.com] Southpark also tore into scientology in a spoof on them and street magician David Blaine. HOWEVER - note that the fellow who plays Chef does not appear in this episode - for he, Isaac Hayes, is a scientologist. Watch the episode here [lisatrust.net].

Google should just sensor the keyword instead?

[ClarkEvans]

Perhaps a search on "scientology" should return a message like: Due to threatened lawsuits via the DMCA and to deal with all parties in an even-handed manner Google has removed all searches with the keyword "scientology".

And the slashdot comments?

[Perdo]

So, Slashdot is making money now right? So repost the comments you were forced to remove. Let them litigate on two fronts.

Oh this ad idea is fun!

[JoeShmoe]

I saw the Xenu ad when I was reading the previous story and I thought "wow, that's really clever!"...here's why:

Separation of editors and advertisers. Sometimes it's almost as strong as separation of church and state (although like church/state it's not absolute). In fact, a lot of sites pride themselves on the fact that editors can air stories even if it pisses off advertisers.

Well why the hell not have it work in the other direction? Why not use advertising to bypass editorial waffling or censorship?

Look at it this way. Let's say we all chipped in $5 each to create a fund to ensure that Xenu.Net showed up for every even-remotely related Scientology link (ie, Scientology, Travola, Dianetics, Bukkake, etc). Now, does Scientology have the legal right to tell Google they can't run those ads (thus depriving Google of its income). Couldn't Google argue that pulling ads that have been paid for would damage its business?

What about extending the principle to other sites like Yahoo, or heck the NY Times. The way I see it, all Scientology could do is threaten to boycott Google/Yahoo/NY Times...they routinely ignore boycotts from groups all the time. Or they could pay to run ads countering the Xenu ads.

Well of course I don't know for sure if things would be this simple but...you know, why can't we geeks take a page from the Corporate Dirty Playbook...fight with advertising.

I'm all for giving money to the EFF but I think I would almost rather spend my money creating an ad campaign...along the lines of TheTruth ads you see against the tobacco industry. I mean, even smokers curse Big Tobacco out the side of their mouth as they buy another pack. The Tobacco Industry has a PR nightmare...so why can't Disney or Scientology or the MPAA or RIAA?

I've got $20 right here I'll pitch in.

- JoeShmoe

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Let's get Xenu to #1 on Google listings ...

[dustpuppy]

is it possible?

If everyone who has a webpage creates a link to xenu.net then won't that boost Xenu.com's ranking on Google? Then if someone searches for Scientology Xenu would appear first ....

And when was theregister ?

[Constant]

Somone wrote in earlier comment : "After almost every tech site and individual geek banded together to...". Well, exactly. The possible implications of world's most popular search engine taking responsibility for the contest of the sites it link to, cannot be underestimated. It well may be an IT story of the year so far. Yet, of all tech sites, TheRegister.co.uk , always happy to stir up trouble in much less important cases - is completly quiet. Not even the smallest mention of today's events. It baffles me why.

It will be interesting to see...

[Anonymous Coward]

...what this does to the Google Zeitgeist [google.com] next week.


anonymous coward has anonymous sig

A little conflciting

[brandonsr]

After hearing about all the DMCA says about this kind of think, and being against scientology since I first heard about it I think it's good that they did remove it. But then again people are screaming "first amendment, free speech". And of course the conspirity theorists who say "why should search engines stop there, why not take down everything?"

And we all know what the next step is, the lawyers step in toss around the first amendment like a worn out vollyball.

Re:Go Google!

[zinjifar]

Let's see if Slashdot believes in 'freedom to link' :)

Here is an image that is absolutely irreplaceable in criticizing 'Scientology' and I'll include the commentary here...

David Miscavige - otherwise available in his guise as a poodle at http://laugh.at/scientology - leading his acolytes up the 'Escalator to Total Freedom'.

http://members.tripod.com/zinjifar0/esc01.jpg

Somehow, I suspect Slashdot will hear about this link :) (even if it *isn't* html)

Zinj

scientology works

[PhiberKut]

If anyone has access to the entire scientology works - the high level stuff that mere mortals don't have...

Let the slashdot crowd know. We'll gladly run wild with it like decss on a bad hair day.

Re:Damn it!

[geekoid]

you're assuming the moderators are't scientologist.

I got a few $ for them

[Anonymous Coward]

Nice to hear from you, Jin. It's been a while. Anyway, I just posted a comment to similar effect on The Other Site and I do intend to contribute should a legal defense fund be started.

I love Google as well. It's like having the worlds largest library in my apartment for the price of a cable modem connection. I don't want them to die - I don't want them to be at the mercy of any whackjob who files a phony complaint either. Honestly, I'd be surprised if the COS complaint didn't get thrown out of court, especially as most of the material at dispute (such as the Fishman Affidavit) has been cleared for public release in previous cases.

I used to dumpster dive outside the local COS when I was younger. It's quite amazing how intertwined they are with the US government on so many levels. They are cheerful supporters of the drug war, and many people in this area have been sentenced to COS indoctrination as punishment for drug offenses without even knowing what sort of "counseling" they are receiving! Still, this is still government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and I do think that the COS isn't invincible. I think Google would win this one, and I'm willing to help them do it.

Blarney (I don't have a Slashdot account yet)

O tEE 3 For Uur R3vi3W

[Anonymous Coward]

OT III [Operating Thetan Level 3] BODY THETANS by L. Ron Hubbard The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet - 178 billion on average) by mass implanting.. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken - in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged". His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development. One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time. In December 1967 1 know someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful. One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body. One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing. You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small. Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error. Good luck. * * * For the purpose of clarity, by BODY THETAN is meant a thetan who is stuck to another thetan or body but is not in control. A THETAN is, of course, a Scientology word using the Greek theta which was the Greek symbol for thought or life. An individual being such as a man is a thetan, he is not a body and he does not think because he has a brain. A CLUSTER is a group of body thetans crushed or hold together by some mutual bad experience. ---------- Character of Body Thetans Body Thetans are just Thetans. When you get rid of one he goes off and possibly squares around, picks up a body or admires daisies. He is in fact a sort of cleared Being. He cannot fail to eventually, if not at once, regain many abilities. Many have been asleep for the last 75,000,000 years. A body Thetan responds to any process any Thetan responds to. Some body Thetans are suppressive. A suppressive is out of valence in R6. He is in valence in Incident I almost always. One can't run a human being on these two incidents since human beings are composites and would not be able to run the lot. Aside from that, non-clears are way below awareness required to even find these Incidents. Huge amounts of charge have already been removed from the case and the body thetans by Clearing and OT I and OT II to say nothing of engrams and lower grades. Awareness is proportional to the charge removed from the case. Although a human is a composite being there is only one I (that is you) who runs things. Body thetans just hold one back. You will continue to be you. You, inside, can of course separate out body thetans and so solo auditing is the answer. How good do you have to be to run body thetans off? Well, if you didn't skip your grades, Clearing and OT II particularly, you. should be able to'command body thetans easily. * * * Incident II is over 36 days long. Capture on other planets was weeks or months before the implant. Those on Teegeeack (Earth) were just blown up except for Loyal officers who were (shortly before the explosion on Earth) rounded up. Do not scan through the duration of 36 days. The volcanic explosion on Earth to the point where "the pilot" says he is mocking it up is only a few days. Sequence of Incident II for thetans on another planet - 1. Capture (being shot), 2. freezing, 3. transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point), 4. being placed near a volcano, 5. beginning implant up to "the pilot", 6. various picture sequences,, 7. the 7s and C.C. and OT II materials, 8. 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of materials and three explanations for the bombing, 9. transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into clusters. The pictures contain God, the Devil, angels, space opera, theaters, helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, trains and various scenes very like modern England. You name it, it's in this implant we call in its entirely "R6"- if one was a Loyal Officer on Teegeeack, the sequence was (1) capture (2) number 5 above on. If one was a citizen of Teegeeack there was only number 5 on. The material given at the various "volcanos' was longer or shorter, but dovetailed into the same sequence of pictures. We have the whole text but it is needless. People who feel dizzy have gotten into the spinning part. Incident I occurred about 4 quadrillion years ago plus or minus. it is very much earlier than Incident II which occurred only 75 million years ago (a bit less). Incident II is only peculiar and general on this planet and nearby stars, whereas Incident I is to be found on all thetans. ---------- The Basic on BT's I've isolated a way a thetan comes to be stuck to another thetan. This gives the basis of clusters and having BT's. A thetan collides with another. That one makes a picture of being collided with. Other BT's get stuck to the picture. The moment of actual contact of thetans was brief but the picture (containing a stop or withdraw) tends to be permanent. Thetans then get the idea they can be permanently stuck as they see pictures of it happening. Thus we get the concept of a "black theta body". This would be actual BT's stuck to a thetan plus pictures of BT's stuck to a thetan. An answer to all this is to find the first picture a thetan made of contacting another thetan. If not at once available the earliest instance of a thetan contacting (colliding, running into, attacking) another thetan could be achieved by R3R on being suddenly hit with clusters or strange beings. The idea is to find and run the "first picture" one made of another thetan. This opens another way to "blow off" BT'S - run R3R on a BT to the first picture the BT ever made of another thetan. ---------- Instructions Locate by meter read or an area of pressure, a body thetan or group (cluster). Run Incident II. If the BT does not blow off or 'the group break up and blow, then run Incident I on individual BT's. Each will blow off with an FIN. When you can find no more on which to run Incident I's, once wore locate a pressure area or by meter read on looking over body run another Incident II. Then Incident 1's on any. Incident II made clusters of BT's. Severe impacts and experiences ALSO make clusters. (See the data called "Milazzo" in this pack.) Those who do not leave on running the impact or its chain will leave when Incident I Is run on them. Incident II sometimes forms gigantic clusters. In such there is a leader, an alternate leader and several (eight to eighteen) more. These were all implanted in different volcanic areas with fractions of the nain 36 day implant and then "packaged" in Las Palmas or Hawaii. Thus if you run Incident II as far as "the pilot" it blows up or loosens up and those who don't go away can be run on Incident I's. Do not speak your commands. Just "intend" them. A BT controls easily. BT's can be ARC broken by rough or careless auditing. You can also run an incident II on a BT and he doesn't blow, but you accidentally run in Incident I on another one and leave the first still there. The remedy is to run Incident I's on anything you find. A very SP BT can be run on grades and Power and should then respond to Incident II and Incident I. After a BT leaves, some other BT may copy him or the incident just run. If you have found a cluster (pressure area) that does not respond or disintegrate to Incident II running, get Dianetic auditing, listing "What impact or incident would cause a cluster?" and R3R on the items found. Then do more Incident I's to clean up the strays with solo. This is a refined "Milazzo". There are hundreds of BT's you will find. If you find none, get audited on Dianetics in general and as above (impact list), and if you still find none, get a Review GF40 and handle all items, then go back to solo. If you find only one or two, get the Dianetic impact list. done. All "none on OT III" cases were later found loaded. Do Incident II and Incident I's on what you can find to begin with. You will do fine. Good hunting. Certain "buttons" have to be gotten in where running a thetan through incidents. The EFFORT TO STOP the motion hangs up the action and gives a stuck picture. One gets the EFFORT TO STOP off and the scene races through. The EFFORT TO WITHDRAW is important also and hangs up the action and creates a vacuum. RUSH, PROTEST* NOT-IS, SUPPRESS are also present. These were actions - thoughts - the thetan had during the Incident and are picked up only when the incident doesn't run well. Sometimes two "buttons" such as STOP and WITHDRAW are in combination. Thetans in the body may obsessively copy the pictures of other thetans. Therefore you can find it seems that the thetan who just left is still there because there is a picture left. Spot the fact that someone else copied it and it usually goes. If you do an S & D on a body thetan be sure you give the right item to the right thetan. ---------- Cross Auditing When one runs Incident I out of one thetan and then Incident 11 out of another (thinking it was the first one) one can get a partially run body thetan who won't blow, but who may start to go on through the whole of R6 automatically (since the basic-basic Incident I is not run, yet Incident II is). One can get quite ill doing this as the illness in R6 can turn on. One can also "feel no wish to audit". All "no desire to audit" is some large blunder on a case. The way you can run Incident I out of one thetan and Incident 11 out of another is rather easy. one fails to notice the first one blow on having Incident I run and runs Incident 11 on another. As a matter of data, the only trouble in a III OT run is running an Incident I on one thetan and an Incident II on another, thinking it was the first one. A pre-OT can freewheel into R6 if you run only an incident II. You can stop a freewheel at once by running Incident I off the same thetan you ran the Incident II on that started a freewheel. Freewheel means that the PC goes on automatic continuous run. Incident II is R6 75,000,000 years ago. Incident I is about 4 quadrillion years ago. Both, all thetans on this planet and 21 nearby stars have in common. All thetans in the universe have incident I. Only those in this old Confederation have Incident II and R6. All C.C. and OT II materials are in R6 75,000,000 years ago. These are followed by 36 days worth of motion pictures - God, Devil, space opera, trains, cars, helicopters, crashes, stage etc. This R6 is 75,000,000 years ago and this planet and Confederation. If the volcano bit is run as per III directions but the Incident I Is not run on the same thetan, R6 begins to run off on automatic, the Being can't sleep for days, the body dies. That's the way it was designed. ---------- Overrun on III The only way you can get a read on "Overrun on III" is to have accidentally run Incident I out, and then later run it out again on the same thetan or make a similar blunder. Example: One flattens Incident I by several passes on a body thetan. This body thetan for some reason (mostly because Incident 11 was then not run) does not fly off. Then, not noticing, one again finds the same thetan and once more seeks to run Incident 1. One then gets, in answer to the question "Overrun on III?" a lot of reads and overrun phenomena. The remedy is to find out WHO was overrun and get the charge off by that action. One then runs Incident 11 on that thetan or in any event, by getting off the charge of "overrun", letting the thetan depart. Just because one's meter reads "Overrun an III" is no reason to attest. Find out who was. lt's almost always a body thetan. A BT can be overrun past erasure. This fact sometimes causes a solo auditor to believe OT Ill is overrun. If he asks "Is OT III overrun?" he may get a read and blowdown. This is actually usually just one BT or cluster that is overrun. The remedy is discovering and indicating the point of overrun. And carry on with OT III. ---------- Running OT III When running OT III the solo auditor handles body thetans as he would any other PC, for the general idea is to run them standardly and not ARC Break them. He does not scan through anything in order to find body thetans. When a solo auditor can find no more body thetans he can attest, or run a pressure area down and handle as per his running Instructions. The pre-OT could be exterior and the Interiorization processes can be run in Review to help him through. Here are three reasons why a pre-OT might have trouble whilst running BT's on Incident II - (1) It is the wrong area; (2) it is not the volcano of the BT being run; (3) it is not an Incident II, but another incident of a different date. Check (1) and (2) If you are having any difficulty in running Incident 11 and handle by locating the correct area or finding the volcano of the BT being run. if it is not a II, simply check for the date and if different run it-. ---------- OT III Errors Amongst OT III errors are "a BT run on Incident I fails to blow". There are three reasons: a. Auditor is trying to run a cluster with an Incident I. The right thing to do is date and get the character of the incident that made it a cluster and then run Incident Its on those left when it breaks up. Or get Dianetic auditing. b. There is an earlier Incident I on the same BT. Find it and run it. The BT has a chain of them all by himself. c. Another BT is copying the Incident I just run so it looks like it didn't blow. Failure to ever run Incident I can also cause a bog. Routine Dianetic auditing by a Dianetic HDC who is also on or above OT III using triple flows and LDN OT III also handles bogged OT III pre- OT's. ---------- Cluster Formation - Cumulative In doing a cluster one is likely to find it is made up of other earlier clusters. This looks like this. 1898 impact horse accident. When engram 1898 run on R3R, that part blows. No F/N occurs, TA remains up. Remainder will grind after the blow. Earlier portion dates as 93,000,000 years ago, electric shock. When run on R3R, that part blows, no FIN. TA remains up, will grind if run further. Earliest portion dares as 72 trillion implant. When run on R3R, all blow, FIN. A cluster or engram which is a cluster can repeatedly FIN as BT's blow. Dates as 778 million explosion. After run once or twice an FIN occurs as one BT blows. Run again to second FIN as two more BT's blow. Remainder blow with a wider FIN. The cluster has gone. This happens (repeating FIN) when picture persists and noter check reveals it is not a copy. It will be more BT's in same cluster. So above repeating FIN occurs when pre-OT is moved through it. Clusters are found by meter dating, listing for type of incident and run as an engram. Clusters can occur at Incident .II and Incident I. They can also occur at 1 quadrillion, which is the Clearing course materials. They also occur at random dates for different reasons. * * * I have lately been C/Sing a number of failed OT cases and have found them all running well on solo now. The errors are made as follows: 1. The solo auditor cannot audit, needs more training. 2. Cases are not well prepared with Dianetics. The remedy for all of these is to: a. Run the PC for at least a score or two of Dianetic items by R3R, done of course by a good HDC, b. then do a GF 40. And then repeat it until necessary auditing is complete. These two actions take care of the majority of difficult cases on OT The real End Phenomena of OT III and OT IV is exterior with full perception. You can and should accomplish full stable exteriorization on doing the materials of III. ---------- Further III remedies: 3. High TA. This comes from not completing the Incidents I and II on body thetans. 4. The solo auditor puts too wide an intention on the BT and runs two or three when he is intending to run only one. 5. A cluster just won't break up. The remedy is a Dianetic session listing for impacts or incidents that would cause a cluster and doing R3R. The principle of earlier similar holds good. When this is completed, the solo auditor is sent back to solo to clean up the BT's shaken loose and to continue with OT III. 6. Rudiments go out on BT's. The remedy of course is to locate BT's who have out-ruds, put in the ruds and run Incident 1, at which the ST should leave. 7. A theta-bopping meter sometimes puzzles a solo auditor -on OT Ill. This means a BT is trying to exteriorize and can't. The remedy is to complete the partially run Incident 11 or Incident I or in extreme cages put the ruds in on the hung up BT. 8. One-hand electrode giving wrong TA read baffling the solo auditor with floating needles with a high TA. The remedy is to have two-hand electrodes handy and trim the trim knob so the one-hand electrode reads the same as two-hand electrodes. 9. A suppressive body thetan sometimes isn't auditable. The remedy is to run Grades IV or V on him. 10. By far and large the corniest error and which has been very prevalent is not knowing the materials of OT III or the content of Incident II or Incident I. OT III is a vital grade. One fronts up to it and does it. When he is really done, the rewards of OT III and IV exceed his wildest dreams. ---------- Rudiments Going Out On BT's When the ruds go out on BT's during the session the solo auditor recognizes the following: BT critical - withhold from auditor BT antagonistic - bypassed charge in session No TA problem BT sad ARC Break Soaring TA - Overrun or protest (also more than one BT being run in error or it's a cluster) Auditor tired - no sleep or incomplete Incident I's Auditor dope-off - bypassed FIN or not enough sleep Auditor no-interest - out ruds on BT's A solo auditor who isn't sure what it is, but runs into trouble with a BT is smart to end off the session quickly, write down the full observation and get it to the C/S. The solo auditor who knows what he is looking at as per the above scale (and the C/S the C/S would give), handles it promptly. BT critical = w/h = pull the withhold BT antagonistic = BPC assess proper list (such as LlC) and handle No TA (or case gain) problem = locate the problem and handle BT sad = ARC Break - locate and handle itsa E/S itsa Soaring Ta = C/R or protest (also more than one BT being run in error or it's a cluster) - find which and handle (running more than the one intended comes from too wide an intention) Auditor tired = no sleep or incomplete Incident I's = check which it is and handle Auditor dope-off = lack of sleep or bypassed F/N = check On sleep or rehabilitate F/N Auditor no-interest = out-ruds on BT's = put in ruds. ---------- OT III Auditing OT III pre-OT's got a reputation of being hard to run on Dianetics early on in Dianetic re-development. Only five reasons exist for this. 1. A person that high on OT grades audits fast and a comm- laggy Dianetic auditor can drive him up the wall. 2. Too quiet or too blurred TR 1. 3. A tendency to evaluate instead of using TR 4. 4. The numerousness of BT chains on the same item (the BT's being separated now) making several chains on the same item, which if not all run separately leave the PC ARC Broken with the bypassed charge of unrun BT's. 5. The OT II who is still on OT III and has been on it a while probably himself has no pictures and all the pictures he has are BT pictures. The lower grades PC (before Clear) reacts as a composite Being, all on one chain, so to speak. He is separated into himself and the individual BT's and clusters of them when he gets to OT II, and so audits differently. He easily misowns the pictures thinking they are his. The big blowdowns you get on such a PC's item indicates several BT's have it in common. A solo III however will be found to have the same item on more than one BT in many cases. * * * The reason for low TA is unflat OT III phenomena. If a person has had a low TA in lower grades the keynote is to take it easy as auditor and COS. This applies also to any auditing given on upper OT levels. That a PC's TA goes below 2.0 is a certain indicator of unflat OT III. He's still got some. When a person cannot handle OT III he is too much at effect. He cannot project his intention. And so can't run OT III. The new OT I and OT II, particularly OT II, are designed to increase a PC's ability to project his intention to others. If he can't, they overwhelm him and you get low TA or "none on III". Harsh, overbearing auditing or life. incidents have to occur, apparently, to drive the TA down. Overts, disagreements expressed as obsessive agreement and other lower level matters are at the bottom of this in any Being. But any case of low TA I have ever found has been: 1. overwhelmed in life; 2. unable to project intention; 3. physically inactive; 4. loaded with BT's; 5. tends to go out of valence easily. in all this number (4) is the important point. Endless OT III and low TA are alike - inability to project Intention, PC at effect. Remedy by lightly causing PC to come to cause, to be able to project his intention and thus flatten OT III. That will complete and finish off low TA. * * * It does not matter whether or not you ran Incident I and II on self. The End Phenomena of III is getting rid of all body thetans. This does not necessarily include self. If you overrun Ill it will be by trying to get rid of tore body thetans than there were or by then, having gotten rid of the others, starting In on self. So Ill is complete for purposes of overrun as above. If you have not done Incident I and II on self when above is achieved, attest completion and then do I and 11 on self. EP's No BT's left [End Product: no BodyThetans left] - OT III L. RON HUBBARD FOUNDER

The fact about scientology

[q-soe]

The fact is that google are one of the few if only companies willing to stand up to the COS, they have deep pockets and lots of lawyers and they throw lawsuits around like confetti.

I encourage everyone to read the Clambake Site and the linked documents, and i would reccomend the books linked from it - Particularly the following

A piece of blus sky - subject of a massive lawsuit - the inside story of the church written by a former scienologist himself.
L Ron Hubbard - Messiah or madman - learn the truth about the nutcase named ron

Theres many more and i encourage you to read them.

This is a church that robs its clients, asttempted to take over the british mental health system, pretty much took over the town of Clearwater, performs feudal punishments for transgressions,may have been involved in a number of murders, were caught systematically spying on the US govt including breaking into the IRS and copying court documents and much more. (read about the Sea Org, their very own navy)

they dont play games and they harrass people who go against them in ways you cannot even imagine and they have billions of dollars in money and assetts.

Read about them and learn the truth but be very carefull, these guys are very serious customers.

How to Fight Scientology

[Anonymous Coward]

The Scientology cult has made systematic attempts at removing any links to negative websites -- both by creating a large collection of interlinked websites of their own (thereby raising their own propaganda sites in the rankings), and when that wasn't sufficient -- legal threats.

Slashdot participants are in a unique position here to turn the tables on the cult by adding a link to http://www.xenu.net [xenu.net] to all the websites we run. If enough of us link to www.xenu.net, we can make it the #1 resource for information about Scientology! (remember that Google's cache uses the number of referring websites to determine the ranking of listings in search results).

Alex Berkman

Scientology and The Daily Show

[gad_zuki!]

Last years's Diary of A Daily Show Writer [msn.com] on slate revealed this about TDS under a list of jokes they don't do:

5. Jokes that could start a lawsuit. Everyday, a script of the show goes to our legal adviser to be OK'd before the taping. Decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, but we all know to avoid certain areas.

For instance, the Church of Scientology is not the subject of jokes on The Daily Show. And The Daily Show does not put beloved children's characters into adult situations. You get the idea. Also, when working off a sound bite, no matter how mean the man-on-the-street sounds, we can't follow him up by saying something like, "This man then left to check on the body in his trunk."

They're brave enough to mock anyone in power and put total strangers on the spot, but the CoS is just too risky.

Re:Google should just sensor the keyword instead?

[kcbrown]

Oh, I think Google could make their point much more effectively than that.

Think about it: Google is the premier search engine of the net these days. They're the search engine behind a number of big sites, like Yahoo and Earthlink. That's quite a bit of power that they wield.

So when the CoS wants to play hardball with the DMCA as a club, the guys at Google could say "sure, we'll be happy to comply with your request to remove links and cache entries that point to that material. Of course, we'll also have to remove all of our links and cache entries for your sites and any pages that happen to refer to your organization in a positive light, just to be sure. Can't be too careful, you know". Of course, they'll leave the links and cache entries pointing to pages and sites that are anti-CoS up. And also put up the message that you mention as an explanation that the search isn't the completely objective thing that people are looking for, and why.

And suddenly, the CoS becomes a non-presence on the net.

And Google could give the same treatment to anyone who threatens them.

Unfair, you say? Well, Google is a privately owned company and the resources that are used to cache this stuff are theirs to manage as they see fit, right?

Lesson: don't screw with a powerful entity that wishes to remain objective. They might decide to not be objective about you anymore, and you might not like that at all.

Nope

[Convergence]

Don't forget.. Scientiology fought against the IRS in teh 80's... AND WON!

Anyone who can fight against the IRS and win is something that *only* a large gov't wants to tackle with.

Poor people who get suckered

[bryan1945]

I went to the Sci site and took their personality test, or whatever they called it. Out of 9 categories I had one that was below the "under perfect conditions" line; the rest were much above that line. I am far from a perfect person, I have many flaws, and I answered as honestly as I could (some of their questions were sorta ambiguous, so I did the best I could), but if I got that high a score then I shudder to think whom they actually get in their doors and end up giving mucho money. Sad cases those gents/girls must be, and with their techniques I would be hard pressed to say it is anything less than a big mind rape. Christ, just the stuff they pulled after 9/11 should get them all thrown in jail!

The gov and the IRS need to grow some balls and just rip the shit out of these assholes. Their shit is already legendary

BTW, CoS, come get me and my mere pittance of equity, I'll be bankrupt by the time you file your first brief. What a bunch of psychopathic fucktards with a massive inferiority complex! Makes me wonder if they have to eat their own genitalia in some kinda initiation rite.

Just die! (Yeah, I'm pretty pissed off right now.)

Re:Nope

[q-soe]

Actually they eventually lost and had many of their senior members including hubbards wife sent to jail, you see the way they were winning was using spies to break into and copy the IRS's documents and give them to them, they also did the same thing against the justice department and other departments.

Some religion hey?

Re:Obvious Parallels...

[Anonymous Coward]

And the lord said unto the archangel cmnd taco

behold the inevitable post linking microsoft to a discussion that has nothing what so ever to do with it thus proving that some people are way to obsessed for their own good

Proof that some of you do nothing but think all day about microsoft and how evil they are, everything is applied to microsoft and every comment has to be about microsoft in some way.

Scientology is a very serious subject, people have been killed by this religion and you think it s a funny subject and that MS are like them ?

For fucks sake get some perspective you twit, can you show me one dead body in MS's closet, do they fulfill one role of a cult ?

Lets face it you only wrote the post you did in a lame attempt to score some karma from a moderator as obessed as you are. Its obsession man and its unhealthy, get some help.

My advice is take 30 asprin and dont call me in the morning.

A good first step but...

[Bartmoss]

...I think Google should counter-file. This would be in their best interest: They really should be considered a library, or a common carrier. Otherwise, Google just admit that they are responsible for any site they index and cache. And this is probably not what they want. IANAL of course.

DMOZ has a problem too

[Aknaton]

http://www.operatingthetan.com/google/

From what it says, the Pro-Scientology section of DMOZ has a Scientologist for an editor while they refuse to name an editor for the section related to Scientology opponents.

The effect of this, according to the link above, means that Pro-Scientology sites get added quickly and Con-Scientology sites don't, or not at all.

I am very disappointed.

What's the Diff Between a Cult and a Religion?

[desertfool]

As someone much wiser than I once said:

About 100 years. They all start out as cults.

PageRank tweaks are a minor problem

[Everyman]

There is one thing that's scarier than Google's willingness to compromise the PageRank system at the first hint of a perceived inconvenience. That's their completely inadequate privacy policy.

It's boiler-plate: they say they'll change it whenever they like, but there's no mention of whether the previous data they've collected would fall under the old or new policy. Add to this the fact that the ownership and control of Google will most likely be shifting over the next few years, if Google goes public. Bill Gates could buy the whole thing with the loose change he carries in his pocket.

Google apparently has no interest in destroying old data, and intends to keep it all as long as possible. It's a potential gold mine as a corporate asset, and a potential disaster in terms of civil liberties and privacy.

Google has no good reason for collecting any of the data they collect; they just do it.

They claim that none of it is "personally identifiable," without mentioning the fact that many IP numbers are static, and even if they aren't, new laws give the feds the power to make it "personally identifiable" without probable cause.

Google's outrageous cookie policy just makes it that much easier to tie it all together, for those who don't erase cookies frequently.

Google sets a cookie that expires in 2038 for anyone who visits any page of theirs and doesn't already have a Google cookie. They use a unique ID number in their cookie, and with this number they also log the Internet address (IP) number, date and time, search terms, and browser information. This is both unnecessary and scary.

There is nothing more revealing about a person than a history of that person's Google search terms. (Some of us use the Internet for something other than merely selling more and more widgets.)

Since Congress passed the Patriot Act last October, a showing of probable cause is not required for pen register or trap-and-trace information, and judges must grant the order. The definition of this sort of surveillance has been expanded for the Internet, and now includes "other dialing, routing, addressing, and signaling information." Search terms for engines such as Google are part of the URL address. The law's exclusion of "content" for this surveillance -- language that refers to the body of email messages -- is insufficient to exclude Web search terms in the URL. The FBI could set up Carnivore at Google (the feds will be happy to fork over the cost of any needed hardware or software), and we wouldn't even know about it. Similarly, the FBI can present a court order for Google's logs, from a judge who was required to sign without a showing of probable cause.

I was able to get the CIA to instantly withdraw their cookies this week. That's because even the CIA is accountable to the public (on the cookie issue at least) under federal guidelines. But there is no accountability for Google, even though the data they have collected is more revealing than anything the CIA has collected recently, by orders of magnitude.

How long before the feds zero in on Google's data? Why can't Google abandon most cookie use, and destroy logs after 30 days?

If they sit on their data without doing anything about their policies, they may wake up one day and discover that the feds have appropriated the entire thing. Already it may be too late; there's at least one former National Security Agency employee with a top secret clearance who is now a Google software engineer.

-- Daniel Brandt
Public Information Research, Inc.

Re:Scientology = a bunch of wackos

[FurryFeet]

This [imdb.com] is probably the movie you saw.

Re:Oh this ad idea is fun! (Google Cancel!)

[journalistguy]

It appears Google isn't interested in our ad ideas...they canceled mine:

------ Forwarded Message
From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:06:30 -0800
To: xxx
Subject: Changes to your Google Adwords campaign

Hello xx,

We are not able to run the following ad(s) in Ad Group #1, of Campaign #1 you have created using the Google AdWords Select Advertising Program:

Cult Fiction?
Travolta believes in Xenu...
...should you?
www.xenu.net

Thank you for advertising on Google. At this time, we are not running ads for sites that advocate against any individual, group, or organization. We review ads on a case-by-case basis and reserve the right to not run certain ads, or certain categories of ads. Due to our current ads policy, we are unable to run your ad on Google.

Google believes strongly in freedom of expression and therefore offers broad access to content across the web without censoring results. At the same time, we reserve the right to exercise editorial discretion when it comes to the
advertising we accept on our site, as noted in our advertising terms and conditions. Please note that the decisions we make concerning advertising in no way affect the search results we deliver. We will continue to show search results for this type of site.

Please feel free to email us at [e-mail] if you have further questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

The Google AdWords Team
------ End of Forwarded Message