U.S. To Drop Charges Against Sklyarov 329
Schmerd writes: "The New York Times has a story saying that charges will be dropped against Dmitry Sklyarov in exchange for his testimony against his employer ElcomSoft." Si adds: "It looks like Dmitri might be home for Christmas. This is not the end of the trial, but it appears Dmitri has been freed, pending certain stipulations." jij adds this breaking news article on the Associated Press wire as well. (The AP story is also at Wired). Update: 12/13 22:23 GMT by T : sam@caveman.org links to a slightly more in-depth AP report at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
This is good (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:This is good (Score:2)
see? (Score:1)
Re:see? (Score:2)
How exactly is forcing him to rat out his boss in return for being let out of jail (where he has been rotting for months, by your OWN admission) correcting a mistake?
Re:see? (Score:2)
The ElComSoft people are pleased with this arangement (quote: ElComSoft's chief executive, Alex Katalov, said he was pleased that the company, not Sklyarov, would bear sole responsibility for the charges), presumably because they are in russia and didn't do anything wrong! (it isn't "wrong" in russia at least)
I think they are asking him for statements "against" ElComSoft so the FBI can pretend to save face and it won't look like they're just letting him go without getting anything in return.
Unless he has some bombshell new info against ElComSoft (which is unlikely), this really is a happy ending after all.
Re:see? (Score:2)
/jabba
Well that sucks ... (Score:2)
DOJ is biding their time.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Say what you will about evil crackers and hackers who restlessly violate people's property. Dmitry was obviously not one of these people. He wrote a tool to do something that is still quite legal in Russia, and is considered to be quite a scholar and expert by many. Any competent lawyer would have been able to present him as such. He would have a huge chance of getting
The U.S. has zero chance to uphold the DMCA unless they get precident behind it that come from using it to prosecute someone who they can present as having evil purposes... such as any of the alleged DoD crackers arrested this week.
As long as the people who get involved in lawsuits are fairly upstanding individuals, they can't afford to prosecute. Once they come across someone who would probably be sent up the river even without the DMCA, then they'll prosecute.
Just watch...
Re:DOJ is biding their time.... (Score:2)
The fact that it was a good test case is probably amoung the foremost of the reasons it was dropped... As long as the people who get involved in lawsuits are fairly upstanding individuals, they can't afford to prosecute. Once they come across someone who would probably be sent up the river even without the DMCA, then they'll prosecute.
Umm, just one thing: They haven't dropped the case, and they're still going to prosecute. The change is that they're going to prosecute Elcomsoft rather than Dmitry. As another poster said, this is really the best of all possible outcomes: the DMCA will be tested on a case in which arguably zero damage was done to the plaintiff and Dmitry gets to go home.
Also, remember that it's possible that in spite of Congress' zeal in passing this law that the DOJ may not feel the same way about it. It's not unreasonable to think that law enforcement officials might see the DMCA as just another pain in the ass law they have to enforce as opposed to, say, rooting out terrorists (which is much more likely to earn a promotion). Maybe they want to test it and get it thrown out so they don't have to screw with it anymore.
Is Selective Prosecution legal? (Score:2)
I know.. I know.. legal questions and slashdot shouldn't mix, but I'm curious
Re:Is Selective Prosecution legal? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Is Selective Prosecution legal? (Score:2, Informative)
So the feds waited until they caught some slimebag selling narcotics presriptions with no medical justification. They prosecuted that guy and won. Which is only sensible, since no jury wants to aquit some slimebag dope pusher.
However, that case effectivly set the precident that the feds had the power to regulate what real doctors could and could not prescribe for their patients.
Vaguely recalled source: "Drug Crazy", by Mike Gray.
Re:Well that sucks ... (Score:4, Insightful)
I couldn't disagree with you more. Dmitry was the absolute wrong test case. He is not within the jurisdiction of the DMCA, since he did not develop the software on American soil and he did not distribute the software in America. While his employer did distribute the software in America, Dmitry cannot be held responsible for the actions of his employer.
This "test" kept Dmitry locked up on a foreign land away from his family for a crime he did not commit.
The test case needs to be an American citizen, preferably a prominent university professor or researcher, who would publish an encryption circumvention technology, and who would be willing to go to jail in protest of the injustice of the law. This would not show contempt for the law; rather, it would show the highest respect for law.
Re:Well that sucks ... (Score:2, Interesting)
Actually, ElcomSoft DID distribute the software in America. For profit. According to the complaint, an Adobe employee ordered the software over the internet as an FBI agent watched. It was paid for with American dollars through Paypal.
When Adobe received the package at their American address, it was opened in front of the FBI. The Adobe employee then demonstrated to the FBI that the software could, indeed, decrypt their books. The rest is history.
Dmitry was also caught distributing the software at DefCon, but I think he was giving it away, not selling it.
ElcomSoft would have been fine if they didn't sell the software to anyone in the U.S. That's pretty simple, really - just don't ship anything to a U.S. address. If you're going to sell a product in a foreign country, you should at least make yourself aware of how the laws in that country pertain to your product.
There's a reason Budweiser doesn't ship to Saudi Arabia - alcohol is illegal there. (Which is a bit ironic because it was Arabs who invented beer in the first place). I put that law on the same level as the DMCA in backwardness, but hey, it's their country and they can have whatever laws they want.
The difference between Budweiser and ElcomSoft is that Budweiser respects the laws of other countries, no matter how backward they may seem.
Re:Well that sucks ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Umm... That would be a great point, IF he broke the law on US soil, but SURPRISINGLY even the DOJ knows he broke this notorious US law on Russian soil.
The reason they arrested Dmitry is because his company TRAFFICKED said illegal software, by targeting the US marking when selling it on the Internet. NOTE: Dmitry did not traffic any software, he just wrote it.
The best analogy for this case is: You wrote some software which accesses porn around firewalls for your employer. Your employer decideds to traffic this software into Saudi Arabia, where for the sake of argument they just enacted a law banning devices from gathering porn off the Internet.
You take a vacation to Saudi Arabia and are arrested.
A. The software you wrote in your country is perfectly legal and should not subject you to other country's laws, unless YOU decide to knownling profit by trafficking to a country you know where this software is illegal.
B. Employees shouldn't be held liable for thier companies actions.
Don't you think this case is setting a horrible precident for other countries to emulate?
A Positive Step? (Score:2)
Of course, it's definitely better for Dmitry.
Twoflower
Re:A Positive Step? (Score:5, Insightful)
This really is the best of both worlds. We get the opportunity to see the DMCA blown out of the water, and Dmitry gets to go home for the holidays.
Re:A Positive Step? (Score:3, Flamebait)
Re:A Positive Step? (Score:2)
Re:Dmitry The Rat (Score:2, Informative)
He's available to testify for either side. He hasn't changed his story since the day of the arrest.
In what universe is he a rat?
Re:Dmitry The Rat (Score:2)
But... (Score:1)
So he'd be going free in exchange for testemony against himself???
Dmitri does not have to testify against ElcomSoft (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:Dmitri does not have to testify against ElcomSo (Score:2)
Of cource, this is the same DOJ that let MS off the hok after having they had the company's face ground into the pavment, so I guess anything is possable
Re:Dmitri does not have to testify against ElcomSo (Score:2)
This is kinda true. He has to testify as a government witness, but he doesn't have to lie on the stand (which would be illegal anyway :)
In other words, he can say what he likes in response to the questions of the DOJ lawyer, but the DOJ gets to pick the questions.
If this all seems unusually Machiavellian to you, well, it is.
he is not testifying against his employer... (Score:5, Interesting)
In today's agreement, Dmitry will be required to testify for the government and ElcomSoft expects him to testify for their case as well. The story Dmitry has to tell is exactly the same regardless of which side calls him to testify. Dmitry's story has not changed since that day in July, when the FBI arrested him in Las Vegas, and he is quite happy to tell his story again and again, if need be.
- from the planetpdf article
To say that he is going to testify "against" his employer seems to be a bit much. The various articles say that he will testify and that it is unsure which side will call him first.
answered my own question... (Score:5, Interesting)
you know, this guy has a real class act employer.
Re:answered my own question... (Score:2)
Agreed. We all should be so lucky. We should all be so supportive of our own co-workers.
Elcomsoft is a spam house (Score:2, Interesting)
> employer.
This "class act employer" is responsible for a good chunk of Internet spam. Elcomsoft makes Advanced Direct Remailer, Advanced Email Extractor and a whole bunch of spam tools. Elcomsoft's web site had been in the MAPS RBL. They still keep selling their spam tools. These guys are crooks and should be put out of business. It just a coincidence that they are appearing in a freedom of speech litigation.
freedsklyarov.org (Score:3, Funny)
AgentZero Technologies
955 Massachusetts Ave #130
Cambridge, MA 02139
US
Domain Name: FREESKLYAROV.ORG
Record last updated on 13-Dec-2001.
Record expires on 18-Jul-2002.
[waldo@tux]$ whois freedsklyarov.org
No match for domain "FREEDSKLYAROV.ORG".
Hmm...
-Waldo Jaquith
come one (Score:2, Interesting)
Would you prefer (Score:2)
This story probably wont generate a slashdotting, in some part because of the number of different sites linked to.
But somebody always has to complain about something then, dont they.
Why this will be good for breaking the DCMA. (Score:2, Insightful)
Dmitri gets to go home.
He gets to testify about writing a legal program in Russia.
The DMCA test case becomes US vs ElcomSoft.
Unfortunately, I doubt the chilling effect on presenting scientific/research papers will get explored. Although he would be able to persue a judgement like Felton went for and not get it thrown out like his was.
-Jerry
A good deal... (Score:2, Informative)
Let him testify, my guess is his testimonial will serve ElcomSoft better in defense.
... So, if he weighs the same as a duck
The first person to yell "sellout".... (Score:2)
AP article incorrect? (Score:2)
At least they put on that Defcon was about hacking, you wouldn't want people to actually know it is a security conference that a lot of legitimate people speak and learn at.
I thought
Re:AP article incorrect? (Score:2, Informative)
Dimitry really did not have much choice. He was released from jail on bail provided he stayed in California. His wife and kids came to the U.S. because Dimitry was not allowed to return to Russia.
Re:AP article incorrect? (Score:2)
Strangely, the writer seemed to change his/her mind midway through.
At the beginning, we have:
Sklyarov was arrested after speaking at a hacking convention in Las Vegas on July 16.
but at the end:
Adobe complained to the FBI, which arrested Sklyarov as he was preparing to fly back to Russia from the computer security convention.
Maybe the AP just wants a little variety to spice things up.
Re:AP article incorrect? (Score:2)
Re:AP article incorrect? (Score:2)
I would have liked to have seen, "Dmitry is currently staying in San Mateo with his wife and kids, on condition of his release on bail forbidding him to return to russia."
At least they didn't advertise him as a l33t h4x0r
DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:5, Insightful)
There is something severely wrong with the check and balances system of the US Gov't. Laws don't have to be constitutional to be passed. Corporations (or AG Ashcroft) just have to keep the nconstituional laws from being tested all the way up to the SC. What we really need is a judiciary review of new laws (before they go into effect) which pits them against the constitution.
-JungleBoy
Re:DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:2)
Re:DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:2, Insightful)
That would be Marbury vs. Madison
Re:DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:3, Insightful)
(I assume you meant "unconstitutional".)
Sorry, but there's nothing in the constitution preventing Congress to pass [un]constitutional laws.
How about all those sentences that begin with "Congress shall make no law..."? To my non-lawyer's ear at least, that sounds like a pretty explicit statement that it is illegal for Congress to make such a law. (I just said the same thing twice, didn't I?) It seems that when Congress does make such a law, they are committing a crime: it says they shall not do it ==> they did it ==> they broke the law. Right?
I just wish it included some provision for punishment of those who violate the supreme law of the land. Maybe your point would be better stated as "There is no incentive for Congress to pay any attention to the Constitution, since othing bad happens to them when they violate it."
Re:DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:2, Interesting)
Well, for what it's worth... any court can overturn any law over which it has jurisdiction. Trial (state circuit, federal district) courts don't have the right to rule on the merits of a law: they try fact, they assume the law is good.
Once they decide on fact, an appellate court (state appellate, federal circuit) has the right to rule on the merits of a law / interpretation of law. For an ever popular example: Microsoft will always be a monopolist who has abused its power, no matter what an appellate court will ever say, unless it says that the legal reasoning in coming to that conclusion was somehow flawed.
But the appellate court can say that the something in the law is wrong... that ol' Jackson was not impartial in his remedy, even that the law means for Microsoft to be explicitly exempt from the Sherman Antitrust Act. They can quite literally say the law means anything they want it to. In truth it is here where laws get "overturned" (they can make any judge quake in his boots at the prospect of having a decision overturned by the precedent set)
The Supreme Court reviews the judiciousness of the appellate court, or can short-circuit the appellate level entirely (and can also hear a trial in original jurisdiction). For example, if an appellate panel had said that the Sherman Act was meant to exempt Microsoft the Supreme Court would likely laugh the whole way through their opinion sustaining the original trial court findings.
So, to cut a long story middling, what happens in the trial court doesn't matter, but it doesn't really have to make it all the way to the Supreme Court if the appellate decision is thoughtful, and comes out from some respected judges.
By the way, only a small proprtion of cases, maybe 5% are heard on appeal, and of those only another small fraction of those appealed are successful. Very few appeals decisions are heard by the Supreme Court (maybe five percent of the five percent where the appellants file for a further appeal).
Re:DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:2, Informative)
At this stage, an appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal can be made. The Court of Appeal does not necessarily have to accept to hear the case. If they don't then the lower court decision sets a precident.
If the Appeal is heard, then the decision of this Court sets the precident. Then it is on the Supreme Court which may or may not wish to take up a potential appeal.
Congress in passing laws do have staffers who do review the constitutionality of a particular law. However, you cannot say that a bunch of Congressional staffers will have the insight and knowledge of the Constitution that Federal judges have. Certainly, not at the level of the Court of Appeal or the SC.
Furthermore, the SC only rules on less than 100 cases per year. In many (all?) instances, their rulings are focused on a few specific aspects of the law and the Constitution. It would be totally unfeasible for the higher courts to evaluate all aspects of the laws that Congress pass.
Ironically, the Constitution does not state that the SC has the authority of judicial review of Federal laws. This precident was set forth in Marbury versus Madison whereby the SC declared that the Constitution implicitly granted them this power. The SC later set the precident that they also have the power of judicial review when it comes to state laws.
Re:DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:2, Informative)
Wonder why the U.S. doesn't have something like that...?
Re:DMCA will never get to the US Supreme Court (Score:2, Funny)
Hmmm, the same day that we withdraw from ABM... (Score:2, Funny)
Free at last (Score:2, Insightful)
We can make whatever political statement we like about the American laws he may or may not have broken.
But I'm pretty sure he's going to be happy to go home to Russia and see his wife and children.
You know, Russia. Where he's safe from government persecution.
maybe we can buy him back a little time... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:maybe we can buy him back a little time... (Score:2)
What does it matter anyway? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What does it matter anyway? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What does it matter anyway? (Score:2)
Article from the Economist Newspaper [google.com].
So no, that doesn't mean the minute any cartel boss steps into the US, they are arrested. Only the deBeers
Re:What does it matter anyway? (Score:2)
why are DeBeers diamonds legal in the US then
How do you determine if a diamond is from DeBeers?
Re:What does it matter anyway? (Score:2)
Because it's a diamond. Pay attention. ;)
Re:What does it matter anyway? (Score:2)
I understand DeBeers may already be microengraving their diamonds with a statement of authenticity.
Won't it be amusing when the manufactured diamonds have one too?
Swell! (Score:2)
He should be able to sue for something. Damned if I can think what, though.
Re:Swell! (Score:2)
Malicious prosecution [lectlaw.com].
More than likely though, as part of dropping him from the complaint, he agreed to not seek redress.
Party time!!!! (Score:2)
Red's Free America, Film at 11 (Score:3, Informative)
for some reason, the wired print version [wired.com] has more info, including this bit:
i have to say, i'm very impressed with ElComSoft's generally enlightened attitude.wouldn't it be ironic if a russian company played a role in freeing america from an unjust law?
Re:Red's Free America, Film at 11 (Score:2, Insightful)
It's even more ironic that the term "Russian company" exists at all. Thank god the Cold War is over!
Unforunately, we hand them a unhealthy dose of corporate greed called capitalism. If only they kept the socialistic ideals with a democratic government.
Re:Red's Free America, Film at 11 (Score:2)
At least, no one here tries to rule what you should do with things you have fucking bought
Except the MPAA. Ever try to play a region 2 DVD in the US?
Dmitry: Write a Book of Your Experience (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Dmitry: Write a Book of Your Experience (Score:4, Funny)
Boy, that'll be fun!
This was a farce that cost (Score:2, Informative)
Link (Score:2, Informative)
It will be interesting to see if anyone will hack this version and make it able to decrypt %100 of the E-Book.
http://diddl.firehead.org/censor/adobe_ebook/
Selling out? (Score:2)
Not Illegal in Russland (Score:2, Informative)
The question about legality is the not simple as what they are accused of is n9t illegal in Russland. How would you feel if your caompny was charged with something say illegal in Saudi like selling alcohol and then had to go to jail . testify on the Henious nature of booze?
Re:Selling out? (Score:2)
interesting possibilites (Score:2)
Might just happen. Maybe not. Who knows, but it sure is a scary thought.
Re:interesting possibilites (Score:2)
Re:interesting possibilites (Score:2)
YAY! (Score:2)
But ultimately, this is still a loss for our freedoms and everything. Adobe had to consider the public outcry in the computer world. The Hollywood conglomerates won't. The US DOJ still proved that they're willing to go out and do 'the real thing' against individual programmers. And there was no legal victory for the EEF or any of the anti-DMCA people (not that I think Sklyarov should have martyred himself). Hopefully we'll be able to get the thing overturned, but it's going to be harder to defend a Russian company with the lead programmer testifying against them, then the sympathetic coder with a family back home.
Alexander Katalov (Score:5, Interesting)
Hands down, Mr. Katalov is the coolest employer I've ever seen. Since Dmitry's arrest, he had been front-and-center, doing what it took to get Dmitry free regardless of the risk. Thomas C. Greene [mailto] raised this issue in an article [theregister.co.uk] in The Register [theregister.co.uk] a while back and it got my attention. But I am very impressed that he continued to put responsibility on his company when Dmitry would have provided a convenient scapegoat.
Charges are deffered NOT dropped... (Score:3, Informative)
From The US Attorneys Office
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 13, 2001
The United States Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California announced that Dmitry Sklyarov entered into an agreement this morning with the United States and admitted his conduct in a hearing before U.S. District Judge Whyte in San Jose Federal Court.
Under the agreement, Mr. Sklyarov agreed to cooperate with the United States in its ongoing prosecution of Mr. Sklyarov's former employer, Elcomsoft Co., Ltd. Mr. Skylarov will be required to appear at trial and testify truthfully, and he will be deposed in the matter. For its part, the United States agreed to defer prosecution of Mr. Sklyarov until the conclusion of the case against Elcomsoft or for one year, whichever is longer. Mr. Sklyarov will be permitted to return to Russia in the meantime, but will be subject to the Court's supervision, including regularly reporting by telephone to the Pretrial Services Department. Mr. Sklyarov will be prohibited from violating any laws during the year, including copyright laws. The United States agreed that, if Mr. Sklyarov successfully completes the obligations in the agreement, it will dismiss the charges pending against him at the end of the year or when the case against Elcomsoft is complete.
Mr. Sklyarov, 27, of Moscow, Russia, was indicted by a federal Grand Jury on August 28, 2001. He was charged with one count of conspiracy in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, and two counts of trafficking for gain in technology primarily designed to circumvent technology that protects a right of a copyright owner in violation of Title 17, United States Code, Section 1201(b)(1)(A), and two counts of trafficking for gain in technology marketed for use in circumventing technology that protects a right of a copyright owner in violation of Title 17, United States Code, Section 1201(b)(1)(A).
In entering into the agreement with the government, Mr. Sklyarov was required to acknowledge his conduct in the offense. In the agreement, Mr. Sklyarov made the following admissions, which he also confirmed in federal court today:
"Beginning on a date prior to June 20, 2001, and continuing through July 15, 2001, I was employed by the Russian software company, Elcomsoft Co. Ltd. (also known as Elcom Ltd.) (hereinafter "Elcomsoft") as a computer programmer and cryptanalyst.
"Prior to June 20, 2001, I was aware Adobe Systems, Inc. ("Adobe") was a software company in the United States. I was also aware Adobe was the creator of the Adobe Portable Document Format ("PDF"), a computer file format for the publication and distribution of electronic documents. Prior to June 20, 2001, I knew Adobe distributed a program titled the Adobe Acrobat eBook Reader that provided technology for the reading of documents in an electronic format on personal computers. Prior to June 20, 2001, I was aware that documents distributed in the Adobe Acrobat eBook Reader format are PDF files and that specifications of PDF allow for limiting of certain operations, such as opening, editing, printing, or annotating.
"Prior to June 20, 2001, as a part of my dissertation work and as part of my employment with Elcomsoft, I wrote a part of computer program titled the Advanced eBook Processor ("AEBPR"). I developed AEBPR as a practical application of my research for my dissertation and in order to demonstrate weaknesses in protection methods of PDF files. The only use of the AEBPR is to create an unprotected copy of an electronic document. Once a PDF file is decrypted with the AEBPR, a copy is no longer protected by encryption. This is all the AEBPR program does.
"Prior to June 20, 2001, I believed that ElcomSoft planned to post the AEBPR program on the Internet on the company's website www.elcomsoft.com. I believed that the company would charge a fee for a license for the full version of the AEBPR that would allow access to all capabilities of the program.
"After Adobe released a new version of the Adobe Acrobat eBook Reader that prevented the initial version of the AEBPR program from removing the limitations or restrictions on an e-book, I wrote software revisions for a new version of the AEBPR program. The new version again decrypted the e-document to which it was applied. The version of this new AEBPR program offered on the Elcomsoft website only decrypted a portion of an e-document to which it was applied, unless the user had already purchased a fully functional version of the earlier version and had both versions installed on the same machine. The new version was developed after June 29, 2001. At that time, Elcomsoft had already stopped selling the program. The version of this new program offered on the Elcomsoft website did not provide a user with an opportunity to purchase it or convert it to a fully functional one, and was developed as a matter of competition.
"On July 15, 2001, as part of my employment with Elcomsoft, I attended the DEF CON Nine conference in Las Vegas, Nevada. At the conference I made a presentation originally intended for the BlackHat conference that immediately preceded the DefCon Nine in July 2001 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The same group of people organizes both BlackHat and DefCon Nine. Since there was no available slot for a presentation at BlackHat at the time when the paper was sent for the committee consideration, the organizers of both conferences suggested that the paper be presented at the DefCon rather than at BlackHat. The paper that I read at DefCon is attached as Exhibit A. A principal part of my presentation is comprised of my research for the dissertation. In my presentation when I said "we", I meant Elcomsoft."
Mr. Sklyarov's employer, Elcomsoft, remains charged in the case, and the Court in that matter has set hearings for various motions on March 4, 2002, and April 1, 2002.
The prosecution of Elcomsoft is the result of an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Scott Frewing and Joseph Sullivan of the Computer Hacking and Intellectual Property ("CHIP") Unit are the Assistant U.S. Attorneys who are prosecuting the case with the assistance of legal technician Lauri Gomez.
A copy of this press release and key court documents filed in the case may also be found on the U.S. Attorney's Office's website at www.usdoj.gov/usao/can <http://www.usaondca.com>.
All press inquiries to the U.S. Attorney's Office should be directed to Assistant U.S. Attorney Matthew J. Jacobs at (415)436-7181 or Assistant U.S. Attorney Ross Nadel, Chief of the CHIP Unit, in San Jose...
Poor reporting (Score:5, Insightful)
Charges _NOT_ dropped (Score:2, Informative)
"For its part, the United States agreed to defer prosecution of Mr. Sklyarov until the conclusion of the case against Elcomsoft or for one year, whichever is longer."
Er, so that means the case is not dropped just deferred, but they aren't going to prosecute him until the case against Elcomsoft is resolved.
Mr. Sklyarov will be prohibited from violating any laws during the year, including copyright laws.
Er, so he doesn't get special permission to break laws ?
"Elcomsoft, remains charged in the case, and the Court in that matter has set hearings for various motions on March 4, 2002, and April 1, 2002."
I don't think this case will get resolved for _years_. There's not that much of a dispute about what actually happened, it's just the interpretation of whether it's illegal or not....and it seems that the US government don't want to see this case resolved quickly, and so it isn't going to be sped through the courts or through the appeals.
Hey, does that mean that my Free Sklyarov T-shirt is now a collectors item ?
Why did he even stick around when on bail? (Score:2)
I'm sure it's all very illegal to do that, but really, who cares? It's just a US court charging him with a US law, paid for by US corps.
Once he made it home to Russia I would imagine he'd be hard to extradite. He might never be able to travel to the US again, but that's not really a big drawback, especially for him... I doubt even if all charges were dropped tomorrow (with no conditions) that he'd ever come back willingly.
So, why not just skip the country? It's painfully obvious that he has no moral reason to stay and suffer punishment.
Is it a matter of difficulty? I've never (before Sept 11, at any rate) had any problem crossing the US/Canada or US/Mexico border. (I assume that's a skin-color related difficulty, and mostly when coming *from* mexico.)
I sure as hell wouldn't stick around, risking 20 years (or more) in prison in a foreign country when I could flee to my home country where everyone agreed that I hadn't committed a crime.
Re:Why did he even stick around when on bail? (Score:2)
Skylarov probably cares a bit more about being free to continue his life with his family than he does in fighting US mega corps.
Re:Why did he even stick around when on bail? (Score:2)
And there's no way Russia would extradite him for something they not only don't think is a crime, but have a law requiring. (There has to be a way to make backup copies of protected works.)
Maybe he wanted his bail money back, but I honestly didn't think he'd avoid prison. The US is pretty stupid when it comes to laws like this with vast corporate interest.
Re:Why did he even stick around when on bail? (Score:2)
He's not a national hero. Only the
Living in utopia (Score:2, Insightful)
It's funny because this situation illustrates it extremely well.
On the one hand, there's the Big Bad Microsoft, hand in hand with all the content providers, all wanting to narrow what people can do with the "digital content" they buy. As someone who loves music (fortunately, the kind that doesn't sell that much and can be bought at used cd stores for very little) I find the thought of not being able to rip the cd's to my laptop (so I can listen to whatever I feel like listening to without having to carry a bunch of cd's from one place to another), disturbing. If I paid for the thing, I should be able to do what I wanted with it, shouldn't I? I'm revolted at the degree of selfishness and greed that's taking over content producers, and while I understand that they have an obligation to the shareholders and owners, I find it very sadening to see that the maximization of profits leads to so much trampling of other freedoms.
On the other hand, there's this whole bunch of people, in their rightful indignation, ready to take arms against the enemy. You know, it's kind of funny the way we end up being so concerned about some things and not at all concerned about others. In fact, this could be a great way to stop watching so many movies, or to stop hearing so much music, or even to stop being so much time at the computer. The problem here is that we are getting so attached to these virtual fixes that the ones that provide them will (obviously) look for way of earning more from it. Doesn't it say so much about our present condition?
Everyone's loving things more (and probably using people more). So why don't we stop? There's such a big world out there (and a real one, for that matter), so many opportunities to have a life, so many things to do... I can say for sure that I would like to learn a lot of stuff, read a whole ton of other stuff, and to be a lot more sociable than what I currently am.
And, you know what? If people stopped caring so much with the small things, the ones that produce them probably wouldn't be so busy trying to rip everyone off...
Strange world that in which we live...
He's on probation... IN RUSSIA?? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is this Pournelle's American Empire at last? Has anyone noticed that the DOJ now claims worldwide powers?
So fast, so fast it's happening...
US law scares me away from the high-tech jobs (Score:3, Insightful)
When the economy is recovering next time, this may become a problem. To those of you out temporality of work, how about spending your effort changing this situation to the better?
You can tell the DMCA was written by a corporation (Score:3, Insightful)
Hmmmm..... So if I, an individual citizen, break the DMCA, I go to jail and pay a very large fine. If I become "Individual Citizen, Inc." and break the DMCA, I don't go to jail and I pay a small fine. The CEOs who wrote the law were smart enough to protect themselves.
Re:Nice deal (Score:2)
Would you not do the same thing? (Score:4, Insightful)
I for one am happy to know he is free to be seeing his wife and children; I know if I were kept a long time from my soon-to-be-husband Yves for a great part of a year, I would do anything to see him again, and I think you would too.
Re:Would you not do the same thing? (Score:2, Insightful)
Also, I don't seem to know of any charges being held against his employers yet, so for now, nobody is in trouble. This wrong has been righted, if only temporarily.
Re:Happy Holidays... (Score:2)
Religion [strategicnetwork.org]: 57% of the population is Christian with 1% being Protestant. 33% of the population is non-religious and less than 9% of the population is Muslim.
Most "non-religious" people in predominantly Christian countries celebrate Christmas as well, so it's a pretty good bet.
He was out on bail (Score:2)
Re:He was still in jail? (Score:2)
Disclaimer, I'm a Californian, and wouldn't live anywhere else... but that's *MY* choice, not the DOJ's to make.
I agree (Score:2)
Re:Legal Advice for foreigners (Score:5, Insightful)
By that peculiar logic, Hollywood should be jailed and locked up by DEMOSTRATING how to hijack airplanes. I would say that is more appropriate example of DEMOSTRATING, than giving a talk.
Say what you want about legality. The whole point is that this piece of legality is immoral, unconstitutional.
Re:Legal Advice for foreigners (Score:2, Insightful)
Trafficking in a circumvention device is illegal; I'd be quite surprised if giving a talk about was-- even a Congressman can figure out that a prior restraint law would get smacked down real fast. Do you happen to have a passage in mind that would make the action you described illegal?
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Re:Legal Advice for foreigners (Score:2)
Re:It ain'tover til the fat lady sings (Score:2, Insightful)
The wording appears to be trying to paint Dmitry and ElcomSoft in as damning a light as possible (which, let's face it, isn't very, except when viewed vs. the DMCA).
I find it difficult to imagine that he came out with that on his own without it somehow being prompted or, worse yet, ghost written. What I don't find it difficult to imagine is that this may have been his only chance of seeing his wife and children on any kind of semi-permanent basis.
The worst thing is that the government is reserving the right to place him on trial (or should I say back on trial) any time a year or more from now. They have not said they'll definitely be dropping charges against him. I can easily forsee a situation where, in a year or once the ElcomSoft trial is over, the government could cobble together some explanation of how Dmitry didn't meet his "obligations" and place him back on trial.
I had hoped our government wouldn't be resorting to this kind of tactic. It's beginning to get to the point where I'm actually ashamed to call myself a citizen here.
Re:From the article (Score:2)