



Sklyarov Released On $50,000 Bail 534
Mike Schiraldi was the first to write about Dmitry Sklyarov's release from jail, even before it happened: "According to this live report from the courtroom, Dmitri will probably be out of jail real soon now. Of course, he still won't be allowed to leave Northern California, but it's a start ..." Soon after, inaneboy pointed out this Reuters story on yahoo which says that Sklyarov has been released, on 50,000 dollars bail, raised by his employer, ElcomSoft.
phalse phace wrote to say that the EFF has just posted an announcement as well as some background.
I'm A Little Sick of the 'Poor Dmitry' Pravda (Score:2)
If he was just some schmuck releasing some free code to over-ride protection I would have a little pity, but as it is he gambled for real and lost. Of course his new role as Poster Child Du Jour means that his future is bright regardless of what the courts decide.
I was there, where do I send pictures? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I was there, where do I send pictures? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I was there, where do I send pictures? (Score:2)
Very indicative of our society today... (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh well, I guess I'm just an eternal cyncic. Still, I'm very glad this happened, and hopefully he'll be able to get on with his life ASAP. Props to his employer for raising the cash. Somehow I doubt Adobe would ever do the right thing and reimburse them. I must say this whole experience has left me with a very bad taste in my mouth regarding Adobe.... I'll make sure never to purchase any of their products, and reccomend the same to any of my employers/employees/anyone.
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not true, apparently (Score:2)
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:5, Funny)
Churchill Pendragon (Score:2)
``Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has **always** been at war with Eastasia...''
Churchill was experienced with idiot leaders---his predecessor, Neville Chamberlain, was quite famous for appeasing Hitler. Of course, once he did his little Arthurian thing and saved England from the `Naaaawzis' (as he said it), the good folk of Britain promptly de-elected him. Schmucks.
You know, if France had had a Churchill, World War II would have probably been a lot shorter.
But to summarize: Churchill had good reason for calling the Americans slow to action---they were.
-grendel drago
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:5, Insightful)
IMHO, doing the right thing would be dropping the charges and letting him go home.
Real Justice (Score:2)
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:3, Insightful)
Dmitry didn't plan on being a martyr for an anti-DMCA crusade. Yes, the DMCA is a bad law. Yes, it would be good to challenge it.
But at this point, this has nothing in my mind to do with the DMCA. It was to do with a foreigner, the "breadwinner" of his family, who was detained wrongly in this nation.
Give him back to his family. Worry about the DMCA after you worry about humanity. Intellectual property will wait.
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:2)
The man wrote software to circumvent Adobe's encryption. Fine. He (HIM, not just his company) then sold it for a profit using American credit card systems. He didn't give it away to help the blind or any bleeding-heart nonsense like that. He broke the law, flaunted it and got busted. His fscking problem, IMHO.
All this 'Free Dimitry' nonsense is embarassing. Predictable, but embarassing.
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:2)
The problem is that people seem to believe that just because they don't like the law Dmitry should be freed. This is just not true. Number one the /. crows is a small section of society (not that only /.ers oppose the law). Number two, those that disagree need to make their voices heard when this goes to court. Dmitry stands accused of commiting a crime, which he did in fact commit.
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Very indicative of our society today... (Score:2)
man (Score:5, Funny)
Re:man (Score:4, Funny)
Not to mention all the slashdot articles he's gonna have to read about himself...
Re:man (Score:5, Funny)
bail? (Score:2, Funny)
ThinkGeek Is In Trouble... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:ThinkGeek Is In Trouble... (Score:3, Informative)
He is not free, just has a much bigger cell... (Score:4, Insightful)
Ummm, he is most certainly not free. He is just out on bond awaiting trial. He has no passport, and no freedom of movement (he can't leave California, and he most certainly can't go home to Russia).
Yes, this is an improvement of his general situation, but this is far from over. He still faces the possibility of hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and years in prison.
For now, he just has a much bigger jail cell.
Re:He is not free, just has a much bigger cell... (Score:2)
I'd even love to make a documentary helping him escape.
Adobe (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Adobe (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Adobe (Score:4, Insightful)
slashdotters.
good lord. You can't commit perjury unless you're IN COURT.
the best Sklyarov could get against them is maybe some petty-ante little charge like laying a false complaint.
anyway, if he shows to the trial, even if he's convicted, Elcomsoft gets its money back. It's being held by the bail bondsman now. Nobody can touch it unless he jumps.
he may have a case against the California D.A. for malicious prosecution though. And get this through your legally-untrained skull: it's the federal government who's holding him. Adobe set the ball in motion, but they're not the ones that're doing anything now.
the next time we should discuss Adobe is when their employees are called to the stand. That's when we find out where they really stand on the issues. Right now they can't do anything - good or bad.
Re:Adobe (Score:2)
The Perfect copout (Score:2)
Bullshit.
Yes, Adobe's "retraction" and "regret" have proven to be the perfect copout for Adobe. Get the man maliciously arrested for "violating" a flagrantly unconstitutional American law for actions in Russia which were legal, even encouraged, under Russian law, then step back and say "oops, our bad, sorry, please keep buying our ebook products but now its the government's fault, yell at them instead!"
Adobe gets the chilling effect on research into their inadequate, even fraudulant, copy protection schemes and, if we listen to you, never have to suffer a single consiquence for their actions, the direct result of which have been the unjust imprisonment of a software engineer for giving a speech at a technical conference and quite possibly the destruction of the next several years of his life.
Until Adobe does something significant and concrete to make amends for their actions I will continue to hold them in the highest contempt, I will continue to boycott their products, I will continue to encourage my employer and my friends to do the same, and I will continue to speak out about it on public fora such as this one.
Adobe pulled the trigger. The very least they can do is pay reparations for the damage they have wrought.
Re:The Perfect copout (Score:2)
that's your right, and you're making a good point.
nevertheless, the point is that the next opportunity Adobe has to make a significant contribution to the case is when their employees go to the stand. You're right that their retraction doesn't mean anything: complaining to the FBI was enough to get the ball rolling, and withdrawing the complaint has had no effect thus far. And I think you're certainly justified in boycotting Adobe for their significant actions so far: they have to take responsibility for what they've done.
still, it's in the hands of the DOJ right now. if you really want to see Sklyarov go free, don't lobby Adobe... now. Wait until trial, or a grand jury hearing. Now is the time to hammer the DOJ.
Re:Adobe (Score:2)
For starters, as this is a Federal prosecution, it's the US Attorney, not a D.A. In either case, they're shielded by prosecutorial immunity.
Congrats to reuters (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously, the fact that he's a Russian (read "commie") coder (read "hacker") can, and may, get played against him in the press to no end, so it's nice just to see those little words, "legal in Russia," that should humble the cretins who pushed this misguided law.
"Ah, for the freedoms of Mother Russia..." *sigh*
Re:Congrats to reuters (Score:2)
That section of the DMCA must be void possibly the whole thing is void. Depends if someone remembered to add the clause "If any part of this law is voided by the US constitution then the rest still stands".
Problem is that the founders of the US apparently never imagined the possibility of unconstitutional laws not being immediatly struck down by the US supreme court.
now we get to the real question... (Score:3, Funny)
Which earnestly solicits the question "may he code [eff.org]???"
A couple SF Chronicle articles (Score:4, Informative)
Here are a couple new SF Chronicle articles of interest:
Re:A couple SF Chronicle articles (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:A couple SF Chronicle articles (Score:5, Funny)
Legislating profits? (Score:4, Funny)
they'll never be able to make money selling electronic books.
Gee. I wonder if I can get the U.S. Congress to pass a law that says I have to be able to make a profit, no matter what stupid business I decide to get into.
Perpetual copyright and "Happy Birthday to You" (Score:5, Interesting)
My favorite example of the absurdity of perpetual copyright is the song "Happy Birthday to You", composed by Kentucky schoolteacher Mildred Hill in 1859. Her sister Patty wrote lyrics and first published it as "Good Morning to All" in "Song Stories of the Kindergarten" in 1893. Mildred died penniless in 1916.
In 1924, Robert H. Coleman republished the song without permission, adding a second "Happy Birthday to You" verse. The surviving Hill sisters sued and the song was finally copyrighted in 1935.
Of course, the sisters aren't collecting royalties any longer. The copyright is now owned by AOL/Time Warner, and still garnerting about $2 million in royalties each year as of about 5 years ago (which is why television programs usually resort to "For He's A Jolly Good Fellow" instead). If Disney continues to get copyright extension bills passed every 20 years, the copyright on this simple 19th century folksong will never expire.
The Constitution originally intended "to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries". But death plus 95 years? To what end, encouraging Mildred Hill to compose more songs?
>> I knew that she had totally lost it when I suggested that the heirs of William Shakespear might complain and demand royalties for plays written by the great bard. She thought it was a good idea and was trying to decide how we should go about paying those royalties...
Good job getting your mother to think about the logistics of awarding Shakespeare's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-g
Dystopian Birthdays!! (Score:2)
This isn't reality; this is the stuff of weird, weird dystopian fantasy.
At least they don't demand a buck from eveyone who sings is.
Can anyone provide a link to show that the song is, indeed, 0wned by AOL/Time Warner?
-grendel drago
Party (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Party (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Party (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Party (Score:3, Informative)
Part of the conditions with which Dmitry was allowed out on bail (even though he is a foreign national) was because the defense had arranged for a "custodian", someone at whose home he will stay who accepts some responsibilities under the arrangement. The judge briefly questioned the custodian before accepting him. The deal had already been agreed upon between the prosecutors and the defense so the judge just approved it.
The custodian is a Russian immigrant who has lived in Cupertino (a city adjacent to San Jose on the western side of Silicon Valley, best known as home of Apple Computer) for 8 years.
Amazing victory (Score:2, Insightful)
(Usual disclaimers: IANAL etc.)
Good. (Score:5, Interesting)
The message our lawmakers are sending to hackers is clear; leave the copy protection alone and instead just beat the f*cking shit out of the copyright holder.
I hope Dimitry flees. There won't be any justice for him here.
Re:Good. (Score:2, Funny)
Hey, that calls for an "Open Beating" project!
The problem with the Reuters story... (Score:5, Insightful)
Overall, I think it's a reasonable story, and not slanted. But the average reader (side-note: how much do we think this will be picked up by the mass-circulation papers?) will end up thinking that this is a symptom of the decline of the Russian ex-empire in that it's legal to pirate CDs there. The reality, of course, is the reverse: it's legal to make a fair-use backup for your own purposes, as opposed to out-and-out piracy, and that is what Sklyarov's software addresses.
Re:The problem with the Reuters story... (Score:2)
Using my poor legal perception, it seems to me that it is still legal for end users to make the one copy, it just isn't legal to develop and sell software to do it for them.
So it is legal to make the copy, but impossable without doing business with a criminal. Sounds to me like they really mean it's illegal, but don't want to face the political problems involved with making felons of librarians, teachers, and grandmothers.
LA Times (Score:2, Informative)
LA Times article on the bail. [latimes.com]
So he can't leave the STATE of Northern California (Score:3, Funny)
Props to him on his bold defense of international freedom of speech.
-Ben
He'll get off now for sure... (Score:2)
Employee Insurance (Score:2)
Continuous Updates (Score:2)
If he knows whats good for him... (Score:3, Insightful)
What gets me is (Score:5, Insightful)
The last time I checked, even though the west won ther cold war US law was NOT the Law of the Land in Russia.
There is the legal concept of "Fighting Words". This covers things like inciting to riot, or other illegal acts. The Supreme Court has issued many rulings on this. These are the rulings that allow Nazis to stroll through a jewish neighborhood, while under police protection. This area of law is part of free speech rights, and basically knocks down the idea that you can be arrested for incitement to an illegal act. IANAL. A search for the phrase will turn up many referances.
People can buy instruments of violence in the US. But tread on someone's imagined profits, and watch out. Even if you are just speaking, or selling.
There could be a tremendous constitutional legal issue tied up with this. I hope the DCMA gets nailed.
Re:What gets me is (Score:3, Insightful)
Although, his actions are not a crime in his home land, he did commit a crime against a company protected by US law (no matter how ridiculous the law may be). The instant he set foot on US soil, he could be arrested, charged and prosecuted accordingly.
People are wondering why he is still being prosecuted despite having the charges dropped. Bottom line is that although the "victim" dropped charges, the federal gov't is aware a crime has been commited. Hence, they have to prosecute. Clearly, somebody wants his ass in sling and are determined to make an example out of him.
Somebody pointed out that they hope he flees because he won't get a fair trial here. Because they are trying so hard to force the DCMA on us, that statement is probably true. A conviction will set precedent. If he does manage to flee, he only has to wait for the statute of limitations to expire before he can attend his next conference in the US.
I'd like to see this tried in world court where they'll laugh at the DMCA and open the path for him collecting civil damages for violation of his rights.
BTW, what *IS* the Statute of Limitations on the DCMA? Knowing the forces behind it, it's probably knows no time limitation (like murder). Lord knows, they will make a witchhunt out of this and burn the little bugger at the stake just to get their point across.
Let's wish this guy luck, hope he runs fast, hides well, and pray the somebody in the High Court comes to their senses.
Logical Flaw in Prosecution (Score:3, Interesting)
Premise: As I understand DMCA-AC, what's forbidden is 'creation and trafficking' in anticircumvention tools, with geographic scope limited to the US.
Analysis: While Dmitry created (or created a lot of) Advanced eBook Processor (AEBPR), he created it in Russia, not the US; and he has not personally 'trafficked' in it within the US - there is no DMCA cause of action against Dmitry. It was Elcomsoft that sold AEBR in the US, which -is- actionable under DMCA-AC. Despite employment by Elcomsoft, Dmitry the person is distinct from Elcomsoft the corporation and not criminally liable for the deeds of Elcomsoft.
Conclusion: For the prosecution to be successful, the US Attorney must show either:
a) that Dmitry individually has 'trafficked' in AEBPR, separately from Elcomsoft's sales of AEBR in the US, or
b) that Dmitry as an employee of Elcomsoft has criminal liability for Elcomsoft's actions in 'trafficking' in AEBR.
I don't see how either a) or b) can be proven, as there are no signs that Dmitry has personally distributed AEBR in the US, and no signs that Dmitry is an owner or officer of Elcomsoft -- just an ordinary employee. (If I were Dmitry's boss, or an Elcomsoft owner, I wouldn't be hanging around the US, though.)
If the above is factually correct, then the prosecution's only hope is to find relevant US law, precedent, or theories under which an ordinary employee of a corporation can be held to have criminal liability for the actions of the corporation. More specifically, the precedent or theory would have to pertain to the situation in which both the corporation and the employee are foreign nationals.
If there is no such law, precedent, or theory, the case ultimately fails, and therefore the US Attorney would likely decline to indict.
If the DOJ is looking for a way to make this case go away, either to avoid embarrassment or to avoid taking to trial a case with the potential to nullify DMCA-AC, this would do it for them.
In any event, there may not be any DMCA-AC test case here -- the charge may be flawed, and if so it should not have been brought in the first place, and will be dismissed.
Actual lawyers please comment?
Re:Logical Flaw in Prosecution (Score:3, Insightful)
Which is something which US corporate interests would not want to happen...
Re:What gets me is (Score:2)
Considering rampart corruption and almost complete dominance of MOB in Russian society one can argue there is no such a thing.
There are plenty of "mobsters" in the US too both the regular kind and corporates who have extended their behaviour into breaking, bending and rewriting the law.
Indeed the situation would well be worst in the US than in Russia
In other news, Dmitry fastracked for Green Card (Score:3, Funny)
Pictures from Rally (Score:5, Informative)
Observations from the courtroom (Score:5, Informative)
Sklyarov was handcuffed and wearing a fetching orange T-shirt from the Santa Clara County Main Jail collection.
The proceeding itself was mostly dull and could just as easily have been done over the phone. No controversy or disagreement. The judge seemed to just want to get the whole thing over with as routinely as possible. The only additional information he asked for was some assurance that Dmitry's immigration status would not interfere with the trial proceedings. And while the papers are reporting that the U.S. attorney is still holding Sklyarov's passport, he did make clear that it would be handed over to the court at their discretion.
The next court appearance is scheduled for August 23, so Dmitry must be indicted within that time for the case to go forward.
After the hearing was over, nine tenths of the people left the room, and the whole proceeding only took about twenty minutes.
The REAL individuals responsible... (Score:5, Informative)
These people made a PERSONAL decision to prosecute Sklyarov, and it was their INDIVIDUAL decision to cry foul under the DMCA.
We have their names from the criminal complaint document, why hasn't anyone in the media contacted them?
The individuals responsible:
Kevin Nathanson - eBooks Group Product manager, complainant to the FBI.
Daryl Spano - Adobe "Anti-piracy" investigator, also complainant to the FBI.
Tom Diaz - Senior Engineering Manager for eBook
Daniel J O'Connell - FBI agent who filed the complaint.
The media needs to put the spotlight on these I N D I V I D U A L S who are personally responsible for Sklyarov's situation.
Re:Leave Law Enforcement out of it. (Score:3, Insightful)
your attitude seems to me that the penalty for vandalism and assault ought to be death. Not only death but death without a jury, a trial, a lawyer, a sentence. No chance at appeals or the opportunity to call witnesses or defend yourself. In your eyes if a person commits vandalism then he or she ought to be summarily executed by any police officer who happens to be at the scene.
Unfortunately there are plenty of people like you in this world and that's why brutal opression exists all over the planet.
Re:Leave Law Enforcement out of it. (Score:2)
If a police officer is not able to execute his duties when confronted with an unarmed crowd or an unarmed protester then they should be fired. Imagine how this officer will snap when confronted with an actually dangerous and armed felon who is trying to excape from a robbery or a murder scene. It is not the job of the police to execute people. In this case it was their job to keep the ordinary people from the rich and powerful people behind the fence. Seems like you could do this without executing people especially considering they could have used tear gas, water cannons etc. I guess those things are not as much fun as breaking open a skull with your baton or splattering some fuckers brains all over the sidewalk.
Re:Leave Law Enforcement out of it. (Score:4, Insightful)
The police SHOULD enforce even laws they think are stupid*; that is the only way the stupid laws can be corrected. Otherwise the public and congress never get any feedback that the law isn't working right. So they just go on and make more bad laws; which the police would then edit as they see fit, etc., etc. and so forth. Eventually almost everything would be illegal and the police would just arrest people they didn't like.
I realize that the police and DAs are human, and they are going to learn from The Courts which cases have enough merit to likely get a conviction and which ones aren't worth their time. I understand that they will have to make those kind of decisions at some level. But I'd rather the police err on the side of being automatons than have them err on the side of being "street judges". Let the real judges and the jurors be the ones to decide which laws are unconstitutional. Let the Governors and the President decide who should get pardons. Let the public get enraged and call their congressmen when bad or stupid laws cause good people to be arrested. That is the way the process is designed to work; that is where the checks and balances are; those are the people who should be making those decisions. That way bad laws get refined into good ones.
Don't get mad at the FBI for doing their job when they do it right; they have been dropping the ball enough lately that you have plenty of incidents where agents did their job poorly that you can get mad about instead.
*In the town I grew up in, it was illegal for women to wear pants. Of course they did; and didn't get arrested. The law was part of some old "blue laws" that everyone (including the police) thought were archaic. Ideally I'd like to see some city councilwoman arrested for wearing pants; then the law would get changed and the case would almost certainly be thrown out or she'd get a pardon or some such. As long as the laws are ignored they will stay on the books. And every kid who reads about them in school and laughs has their respect for other laws diminished. Worse, every time a policeman knows about such laws and chooses to ignore them, he (and really the rest of society as well) get conditioned to the idea that the police get to choose what laws they want to enforce.
Re:Leave Law Enforcement out of it. (Score:2)
In which case the best "feedback" would be to arrest the congressmen concerned and give them a a public test about the US constitution.
My View of the Day (Score:5, Insightful)
I almost didn't go to this hearing. I thought to myself, "What's the point? The deck is stacked against me, the media will spin its own story regardless of the facts or what the EFF has to say, and we'll all be ignored, anyway." At the last minute, I decided that I had to go. I didn't want to, I had to. Though mine may be the proverbial voice in the wilderness, as an ethical software engineer of almost 25 years, I couldn't let this transgression against everything I hold dear go unanswered.
I dressed up in uncharacteristically formal attire, in the event I was asked for an on-camera interview, and drove to downtown San Jose, arriving at about 09:45, and walked to the "Snake" at the end of Caesar de Chavez Park. There were about two dozen people there, most of them carrying hand-made pickets, including a former colleague, who coincidentally also happens to be a Russian named Dmitriy. Also milling through the group were a few media representatives (I saw units from KGO, KPIX, and TechTV).
I didn't see any obvious representatives from the EFF there (though I was asked several times if I myself was a representative). Things seemed a shade disorganized to me. The march toward the Federal building one block away was supposed to start at 10:00. By 10:10, no one was moving, so I walked down myself to make sure I got a seat in the courtroom for the bail hearing which was to take place at 11:00.
I arrived at the Federal courthouse, and made my way through the security gauntlet. (You remember that scene in The Matrix where Keanu Reeves shows up in the lobby with all those neatly-dressed security guards? It was a lot like that. Seven Marshalls stood nearby as they X-rayed my mini-MagLite three times.) Finally convinced I was harmless, I went up to the fourth floor to Judge Infante's courtroom and waited to enter.
There, I met some more reporters from TechTV and the LA Times. Again, I was asked if I was from the EFF.
"No, I'm a software engineer," I said.
"Oh, an actual real person!", said one of the reporters. I got asked why I was there, and tried to explain my concerns. I don't know how well I succeeded.
While waiting, the rest of the protest group arrived at the front of the Federal building. We could see them from the windows of the waiting area. Not too long after, the corridor began to fill up with spectators awaiting admittance to the courtroom.
I managed to buttonhole the LA Times reporter, and tried again to explain the issues as I saw them. I related this case to the DVD CCA debacle, which the EFF is still fighting on both coasts. I felt I was actually beginning to help him understand, when our conversation was cut short when the courtroom doors opened and we were allowed in.
After inquiring with the Marshall what the rules were (laptops okay, cellphones bad), I pulled out my laptop and started making a few notes. While sitting there, I picked up a fragment of a conversation between the Marshall and a spectator who walked in.
"Hey, aren't you on the wrong floor?" asked the Marshall.
"Yeah, but this looked really interesting," said the gentleman.
I didn't get his name, but it turned out that he's a bankruptcy lawyer who was also a computer programmer back in 1963. He saw the hearing listed on the court calendar, and stopped by to watch. We chatted a bit about recording devices and court stenography methods.
At 10:55, Dmitry entered the courtroom with another man, Juan Valencia Rowa (sp?), who was under indictment for a drug and parole violation. Both were handcuffed, dressed in freeway-cone-orange scrubs. By the time court was in session at 11:00 sharp, the spectators' gallery was filled.
Judge Infante banged court into session. It was immediately apparent that this man worked strictly by the book. He was formal and precise, almost to the point of stuffiness. The first case called was Dmitry's. Counsels for the defense and prosecution introduced themselves, and Judge Infante read the summary of the government's criminal charges aloud to Dmitry. Standing next to Dmitry was a Russian translator (identity unknown).
Infante then asked for motions from counsels concerning bail. The government prosecutor stated that they considered Sklyarov a flight risk, since he is a Russian national and has nothing tying him to this area. Nevertheless, a deal had apparently been worked out whereby the government was willing to allow him go free, provided the following conditions were met:
Defense counsel, in support of this, presented character references from Dmitry's professors in Russia, as well as a letter from the Russian Consul. The Judge accepted this arrangement on its face, and ordered exactly those conditions be imposed on Dmitry for his release.
The Judge expressed a concern that the US Department of Immigration might present complications. Dmitry is here on a travel visa. When that visa expires, Dmitry could theoretically be arrested again for violating immigration laws. Judge Infante inquired if Immigration was okay with Dmitry's extended stay. Defense counsel replied that arrangements were not yet finalized, but were underway.
Defense counsel then announced that a custodian for Dmitry was available immediately. Sergei Osokine of Cupertino then stepped forward and introduced himself to the court. Judge Infante informed Osokine that he was vouching for Sklyarov's promise to appear, that he was to inform the court immediately if he became aware of Sklyarov's flight or intent to fly, and could himself become liable for the bail sum should Sklyarov disappear. Osokine indicated he understood and agreed to all this.
Defense counsel then announced that the bail sum was also available immediately, in cash, paid by his employer. Dmitry was then uncuffed, and brought to the center of the courtroom to sign the papers indicating the conditions of his release. The date was also set for the preliminary hearing: 09:00, 23 August 2001. Having forgotten to do so earlier, the Judge then informed Dmitry of the maximum penalty for his alleged crime: $500,000.00 and five years in prison. Once everything was signed, Judge Infante ordered Dmitry's release upon payment of bail to the court clerk, and moved on to the next case. The spectators' gallery emptied almost immediately. The entire process took about twenty minutes.
Outside, an actual representative of the EFF :-) stood before a camera claiming victory in this round of the dispute. Defense counsel, in a different interview, also said he was pleased with Dmitry's release, but that there was still a long way to go before a final resolution.
I stood around with Dan Kaminsky and helped answer questions from a reporter from Reuters wire service. Dan and I can get a bit animated about these issues, and I fear we ranted a bit. Hopefully the reporter wasn't put off by it.
What I did find off-putting were the chants that suddenly broke out from the picketers (who had moved to the other side of the courthouse). "What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! Hey-hey, ho-ho, DMCA's got to go," etc. I know I have absolutely no practical experience in social agitation for political change, so please accept it as my woefully uneducated personal opinion that I see this sort of thing as infantile. It is not effective or witty, it is lame. It makes you look like brainless, uncreative drones on television, and people will tune you right out. Please think of something different.
After the Reuters reporter left, we answered a few more questions from the reporter from WiReD News, then I left for an appointment at 13:00. On the way to my car, I bumped into Brad Templeton, president of the EFF, who hinted that you may expect to see some new fundraising events in the not-too-distant future.
Why do I give a damn about this? When I first touched a computer at age 12, I saw it as the ultimate tool of creative expression. Theoretically, there was nothing you couldn't do with these machines, no idea that could not be expressed in a myriad of ways. In that instant, I immediately knew that this was what I would be doing for the rest of my life. Not everyone gets the chance to spend their life doing what they love, and I value very highly my good fortune of my vocation also being my dearest hobby.
One of the reasons I've gotten nice jobs in the Valley is because I'm fairly good at what I do. Apart from my enthusiasm, one of the primary ways I got so good was by taking apart things other people did, seeing how they worked, and using those discoveries to build new ideas. I even described my discoveries to others, in the hopes they would get new ideas, too.
In other words, I built much of my professional career doing exactly what Dmitry Sklyarov did.
When the Judge read the charges to Dmitry -- "trafficking in a device to circumvent a technological measure that protects a copyright" -- I nearly became nauseous. There is not so much separating me from Dmitry. I have often thought about -- and perhas will one day -- writing a display hack that takes whatever DVD is in your drive, wraps the movie imagery on to an OpenGL sphere, and bounces it around the screen ("Boing 2001", if you will). To do that, I would have to use the DeCSS code fragment published by Jon Johansen. And doing so would make me a "criminal," a threat to the State and public safety, just like Dmitry.
In a brief flash, I saw myself up there, humiliated, in a hostile place where no one knows me, no one understands what I do -- nor do they care -- answering terrifyingly punitive criminal charges for doing nothing more than what I have loved doing all my life.
I am Dmitry Sklyarov. What the hell am I supposed to do now?
Schwab
Re:My View of the Day (Score:2, Informative)
That's your opinion; it's not matched by the experience of countless protest organizations and movements dating back centuries. As you've said, you don't have a similar well of experience from which to draw.
It is not effective or witty, it is lame. It makes you look like brainless, uncreative drones on television, and people will tune you right out.
While it may be annoying to you, it *is* effective.
The reason chanting has been used at protest events for centuries is because it works. Chanting, in combination with other factors (bright/colorful/memorable costumes, clear signs, catchy slogans) helps fulfill several goals that most protest groups have. Among them, chanting:
1. Creates substantive sight-and-sound bites for the media.
2. Conveys a basic message to observers.
3. Unites the protesters, giving a greater appearance of unity.
4. Helps keep participant energy up over long protest periods.
5. Can be used to synchronize group action and convey messages in large crowds. ("When we start chanting 'foo', that's the signal to move towards the gates of the plant.")
6. Provides a simple "hook" for bystanders to participate.
I understand that you may consider chants about the DMCA childish, but simple slogans can create interest in a topic. If I know nothing about the DMCA and hear people chanting "Down with the DMCA" (and see signs waving!) I may be spurred to find out more about the subject myself. While you may be adept at explaining the topic in 20 minutes, or even 5, you need to capture interest in 20 seconds -- the time my car is stopped at that red light on the corner -- and that requires slogans, signs, and *chants*.
Please think of something different.
I'll politely refrain from asking how many protests you've participated in, or organized, or how you've kept your mental and physical energy up after 4 hours of marching, or 20 days at the same street corner; after all, you've already said you have no experience with organized protest actions. While I understand that you -- someone educated about the topic -- may find simple chanting "infantile" -- I would suggest that you try engaging in the activity before demanding of others that they replace a time-tested and perennially effective element of protesting.
-Trin
Re:My View of the Day (Score:3, Interesting)
I guess that is what has made me so angry about this whole nightmare. One of my earliest programs was a wrapper that trapped floppy I/O to defeat the copy protection on a game I owned (those 5-1/4" drives sure were slow). I had no intention of making copies of the game available to others, I simply wanted to see if I could figure out how to do it and learn something about interrupts and TSRs. What I did was not illegal at the time and the game's license agreement did not specifically prohibit what I did. It is not clear from reading the DMCA that it would be illegal now, but if I were to do something like that again I certainly wouldn't want to share it with anyone. Yep, sad, scary, and downright depressing. The next victim of the DMCA could just as easily be a naive 14 year old who's done nothing more than attempt to understand how his computer works.
Everyone should consider donating their tax refund to either the soon-to-be established defense fund or the EFF. CowboyNeal can go hungry for all I care.
Re:Smuggle Him Out Before They Lock Him up Again (Score:5, Insightful)
No... (Score:2)
Law enforcement **is** responsible.
Because of our ludicrous War On (some) Drugs, drugs are a source of incredible potential profit. They are, in fact, the **only** way to not be poor and miserable for a lot of young, poor black men.
Well, they become poor and miserable once they're in jail, but it's not really all about forethought.
To sum up: if white boys wouldn't waltz into the hood and wave hundred dollar bills around, the locals wouldn't shoot each other over them.
``Completely unrelated''---the nerve!
-grendel drago
Channeling David Horowitz? (Score:2)
IHBT. Bite me, I like a good rumble.
-grendel drago
Fleeing Juristiction Not The Answer!!! (Score:3, Offtopic)
There are two common ways to change the laws in most places in the US and at the Federal level.
- Get the lawmakers to amend the law
- Have a high court over turn the law
I would rather have courts review the law, all the way up to the Supreme Court, than to have lawmakers muck around with this issue any more. If Sklyarov flees how can the issue be pushed? It is a risk that unfortunately only Sklyarov can face but if not him who and when? Letting this horribly bad law sit on the books any longer is as a bad an idea as telling Sklyarov to run for it.
Re:Fleeing Juristiction Not The Answer!!! (Score:2)
``Oh, so you mean you're a Macintosh user?''
No, no, open source geeks are very security conscious (or *should* be).
``Open source? Is that like in _Antitrust_?''
I give up.
Re:is $50000 bail low? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:is $50000 bail low? (Score:5, Informative)
I personally wouldn't consider this a slap in the face of the FBI, but perhaps a slap in the face of the DMCA. Clearly the US Atty. intends to prosecute, but I suspect that John Ashcroft not exactly enthusiastic to prosecute Sklyarov. If we keep up the political pressure on Ashcroft, we may indeed stop this prosecution altogether.
So, let's step up the pressure. Call John Ashcroft (the US Attourney General) at 202-353-1555 and let him know that you think Sklyarov's prosecution under DMCA is unjust.
Re:is $50000 bail low? (Score:2)
If you can convince Ashcroft that a law is bad (or puts republicans at a disadvange) he will willingly flub the case. Unfortunately in the case I mentioned he was on the side of the mining and logging companies and he is likely to be on the side of the corporations on this one too. Still maybe if the CEO of adobe was a democrat or gave a lot of money to democrats (I have no idea if they do it seems unlikely) then Ashcroft might not mind undermining their case to emberass them.
Re:is $50000 bail low? (Score:2)
Check out this [chicagotribune.com] story in the Chicago Tribune about the state of their computers.
Re:Dima's not on the streets yet... (Score:2)
Actually he'd be a free man the moment he borded a non US flagged ship or aircraft.
Re:Dima's not on the streets yet... (Score:2)
Under various international agreements he can be refused entry upon arriving at his destination and sent back to where he came from.
(Occasionaly Canadians get refused on U.S. airlines because they do not have a passport. The airline would have to foot the bill if the individual was refused entry into Canada as they would have to fly them back to the original airport they departed from. (Even though no passport is required for a Canadian to enter or leave the United States.)
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
The only case of a corporation being harmed by explosive would be PanAm though...
Re:Innocent until proven guilty (Score:2)
Even if he's guilty of breaking the law, that doesn't change the fact that it is a bad law, and that is what should really be addressed.
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:2, Insightful)
Yeah, I'm looking in your direction, FBI... Killed any kids lately?
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:2)
Bringing a bad case to court is considered a loss of face for any prosecutor, and they hate to do that. So our criticism of FBI for blindly charging into this case stands.
Doing your job (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:4, Informative)
Where have you been for the past forever? Dyema' broke no law, just as you're breaking no law by getting drunk off your ass in your own home, provided you're allowed to purchase alcohol in your area, even though there are countries where being intoxicated past a certain point is illegal. A 19 year old in France who buys a beer is breaking no law, and neither is the man or woman selling it to him. Sure, over here the legal drinking age is 21, and over here we have a DMCA also. But Dyema' didn't break the DMCA while he was over here. He did actions in russia, previous to his ever having come to the U.S., that had he done them here, would have been illegal. The speech he gave is protected in a specific exception clause in the DMCA, which allows unlimited discussion of cryptography, as long as its application is not sold to break specific copyrighted software.
However unethical the DMCA may be, Dyema' did not break it.
However unethical underage drinking laws may be, then my 19 year old friend Ja'nos did not break them when he was over here mixing drinks, even if he had drunk alcohol in Hungary at the age of 18 before he ever came here! (Which is the legal drinking age over there).
Dyema did not break Russian or U.S. laws while in Russia. Dyema did not break Russian or U.S. laws while in America. Therefore, he is not a good test case to establish a precedent against the DMCA, which is an unethical law. A good precedent would be someone who actually broke it.
Duh.
Where have you been?
Search Skylarov on the slashdot front page and read the +5 insightful comments on any one of the many resulting slashdot stories. We've established this thoroughly. How can you still think that Skylarov broke the DMCA?
I assume an underage person is allowed to mix drinks, because I know someone so employed.
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:3, Interesting)
Lets not that little fact escape the discussion...
-S
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:The feds must be really ptroud... (Score:3, Interesting)
Looks like he didn't break a thing.
While he was in the US, he did not (at least, not in the complaint) traffic his software (I'd think they'd have complained about it if he did). After reading that, it looks like the only person they'd have recourse against is RegisterNow, since they can't prosecute Skylarov for his actions while in Russia. Skylarov was just an easy target (and it shows how aggressively and improperly Adobe went after him)
-= rei =-
Re:California? (Score:3, Offtopic)
California: Vast, beatiful scenery
Jail: 4x6 cell, concrete
California: Sunshine
Jail: Flourescent track lights, or perhaps a bare bulb. (Note: I don't speak from experience here, but from such great documentaries as "The Shawshank Redemption"", "Escape From Alcatraz", and "Sleepers")
California: I'm hungry, I haven't eaten in like 8 hours, this sucks.
Jail: This constantly being beaten by corrupt guards sucks.
California: Bikini (somewhat)clad women, everyone stares at hungrily.
Jail: You (*shudder*).
shaddup
Re:Should he escape? (Score:2)
But I sure hope he doesn't, and I think the EFF and Elcomsoft understand that this is a valuable opportunity to strike a blow against the DMCA.
I mean...the EFF can call freakin Adobe to testify that this is undeserved and leave the FBI with severe egg on the face.
- JoeShmoe
Re:What's the big deal? (Score:2)
Re:Impressive (Score:4, Funny)
> I can hardly believe this; are they hiring???
Why, you planning on getting arrested?
Re:How? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:How? (Score:3, Funny)