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Microsoft Giving Away Vista Ultimate, With a Catch

Posted by kdawson on Tuesday December 11, @11:48PM
from the no-free-lunch dept.
Opinari writes "In case you haven't heard, Microsoft is giving away copies of Windows Vista Ultimate (32-bit or 64-bit DVD), Microsoft Office Ultimate 2007, Microsoft Money Plus Premium, Microsoft Student with Encarta Premium 2008, or Microsoft Streets and Trips 2008 — you can choose any one. The caveat is that you have to let them monitor your use of the program."

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  • Free... (Score:5, Funny)

    by crazyjeremy (857410) * on Tuesday December 11, @11:48PM (#21667347) Homepage Journal
    Free as in Linux? No, free as in Microsoft!
    • Re:Free... (Score:5, Funny)

      by squidinkcalligraphy (558677) on Tuesday December 11, @11:52PM (#21667373) Homepage
      Free as in beer? No, free as in an NSA wiretap!
      • Re:Free... by martin-boundary (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @04:39AM
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      • Re:Free... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @07:46AM
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    • Re:Free... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:00AM
      • Re:Free... (Score:5, Funny)

        by Goldberg's Pants (139800) on Wednesday December 12, @01:58AM (#21668165) Journal
        You sank my battleship.
        • Re:Free... by hitmark (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @04:28AM
          • Re:Free... by matria (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @07:05AM
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          • Re:Free... by MrJack5304 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:19AM
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      • Re:Free... by Wiseman1024 (Score:3) Wednesday December 12, @06:44AM
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              • Re:Free... by Knara (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @05:34PM
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        • Re:Free... by twistedsymphony (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @08:25AM
          • Re:Free... by peragrin (Score:3) Wednesday December 12, @08:50AM
            • Re:Free... by Wiseman1024 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @09:17AM
            • Re:Free... by BlackSnake112 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @11:31AM
          • Re:Free... (Score:5, Funny)

            by Yewbert (708667) on Wednesday December 12, @09:08AM (#21670141)
            I was thinking,.... hmmm, dedicated box to run uTorrent sharing Linux distros,... Sure, let 'em watch.
          • Re:Free... by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:09AM
            • Re:Free... by twistedsymphony (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:20AM
              • Re:Free... by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:32AM
              • Re:Free... by jedidiah (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @10:26AM
              • Re:Free... (Score:5, Funny)

                by encoderer (1060616) on Wednesday December 12, @10:15AM (#21670797)
                You mean it will "suck fewer resources," right?

                Cause let's be real.. it's Vista.. it certainly won't suck less...
              • Re:Free... by twistedsymphony (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @11:06AM
              • Re:Free... by twistedsymphony (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @11:09AM
              • Re:Free... by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @11:20AM
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              • Re:Free... by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @01:40PM
              • Re:Free... by mhall119 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @03:21PM
              • Re:Free... by jedidiah (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @05:52PM
        • Re:Free... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by plague3106 (71849) on Wednesday December 12, @08:45AM (#21669975)
          Or you can take the option of just filling out an online survey.. but hey, why stop free bashing?
          • Re:Free... by Pentavirate (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @10:21AM
          • Bzzt!! Wrong! by norminator (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @10:39AM
        • Re:Free... by sm62704 (Score:3) Wednesday December 12, @08:56AM
          • Re:Free... by Wiseman1024 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @09:19AM
            • Re:Free... by sm62704 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @02:23PM
              • Re:Free... by fonik (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @04:31PM
              • Re:Free... by Wiseman1024 (Score:1) Thursday December 13, @09:32AM
              • Re:Free... by sm62704 (Score:2) Thursday December 13, @12:16PM
        • Re:Free... by Machtyn (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @10:09AM
        • Re:Free... by wgoodman (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:07PM
    • Re:Free... (Score:5, Funny)

      by davester666 (731373) on Wednesday December 12, @12:10AM (#21667545)
      The catch...you have to use Vista..
      • Re:Free... (Score:5, Informative)

        by Mistlefoot (636417) on Wednesday December 12, @02:16AM (#21668237)
        I didn't read all the details but it does imply XP as well as Vista...

        To quote from the second page towards registration:

        "Choose the program(s) you would like to join
        Automated feedback program (Windows Vista and Windows XP only)"

        and further on in the uninstallation instructions.....

        "Windows XP Instructions:

              1. Click Start, click Control Panel, click Add or Remove Programs, and then click Change or Remove Programs.
              2. Select Windows Feedback Panel, and then click Remove.
        "
        • Re:Free... by Barny (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @03:02AM
          • Re:Free... (Score:4, Funny)

            by name*censored* (884880) on Wednesday December 12, @03:54AM (#21668705)
            without someone holding a gun to their head ;)

            Are you taking volunteers? If so, sign me up!
            • Re:Free... by Barny (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @05:17AM
              • Re:Free... by cayenne8 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @08:27AM
              • Re:Free... (Score:5, Informative)

                by michrech (468134) on Wednesday December 12, @09:43AM (#21670433)
                You didn't read the page very well. You don't *have* to run the spyware. It's an option. Using it, according to the site, will possibly shrink the amount of surveys (that you can skip, "if you don't have the time") that you will be asked to fill out.

                Right here [microsoft.com] shows what must be done. You can sign up for either, or both, of the programs (for those to lazy to read the page, the two programs available are the "spyware" and the surveys -- I opted just for the surveys).

                Here is the text about the survey feedback program:

                When you join the survey feedback program, you'll be invited to take a survey on a regular schedule. If the survey arrives at a time where you are busy, you can skip that one and take the next one instead. You will not receive more than one survey every two weeks.

                Hell, I signed up for it. I have access to a computer I can install it on for 3 months that can just sit in a corner idle (whether I decide to use the "feedback program" or not).

                Well, to be honest, as a computer retailer, this thing had me thinking at first, but reading the fine print (you have to run the spyware on your box for 3 months, then get a free toy) showed some downsides, like americans only, and a complete inability to exploit it for fun and... yeah profit :) (its not a bad word, really)

                And yes, they will be the first against the wall when the revolution starts (apology mr adams).
              • Re:Free... by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:19AM
              • Re:Free... by Barny (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @04:41PM
          • Re:Free... by penguin_dance (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:47AM
            • Re:Free... by Abalamahalamatandra (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:32PM
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            • Re:Free... by lpcustom (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @05:50PM
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        • Re:Free... by Hal_Porter (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @03:42AM
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            • Re:Free... by Hal_Porter (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @08:40AM
              • Re:Free... by Cid Highwind (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @11:03AM
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              • Re:Free... by Cid Highwind (Score:1) Thursday December 13, @12:06PM
            • Re:Free... by iroll (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @10:35AM
      • Re:Free... by greenghost77 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @03:26AM
        • Re:Free... by jedidiah (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @10:29AM
      • Re:Free... (Score:4, Funny)

        by nem75 (952737) on Wednesday December 12, @04:24AM (#21668795)

        The catch...you have to use Vista..
        Nah. You could just not use it and let them monitor that.
      • The catch... by CarpetShark (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @07:56AM
      • Re:Free... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by bigdavesmith (928732) on Wednesday December 12, @08:03AM (#21669711)

        The catch...you have to use Vista..
        Yeah, I've already given them my feedback by not downloading it. Even for free.
        • Re:Free... by MouseR (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:40AM
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      • Re:Free... by Darinbob (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @04:30PM
      • Re:Free... by KiloByte (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @04:02AM
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    • Re:Free... (Score:5, Funny)

      by SL Baur (19540) <sl.baur@gmail.com> on Wednesday December 12, @01:30AM (#21668037) Homepage
      Free as in Microsoft ...

      What are the system requirements?
      The only requirements are that your home PC is running the Microsoft Windows Vista or Windows XP operating system, and that you have an Internet connection. That's it!
      I guess I don't qualify :( and I so wanted to dance in the streets burning Linux and Mac OS X cds celebrating my new freedom while I was installing a real OS on my MacBook Pro ...
      • Re:Free... by Yeti.SSM (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @02:24AM
      • yawn. . . by oliphaunt (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @11:44AM
    • Re:Free... by MadJo (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @04:20AM
    • Re:Free... by nibb (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @04:23AM
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    • Re:Free... by sm62704 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @08:53AM
    • I prefer to call it by WebCowboy (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @01:48PM
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  • Which is the catch? (Score:5, Funny)

    by amccaf1 (813772) on Tuesday December 11, @11:51PM (#21667363)

    The caveat is that you have to let them monitor your use of the program.
    Wait, which is the catch: the fact that they will monitor your use, or the implication that you'll be using it?
    • Re:Which is the catch? by jkrise (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:44AM
      • Re:Which is the catch? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by rolfwind (528248) on Wednesday December 12, @01:35AM (#21668071)
        I'm a big Linux fan... but I don't understand your reasoning here:

        If Microsoft does not abandon Vista immediately and cut its losses; pretty soon it will have to abandon Windows AND Office entirely.
        How can Vista prompt this? Granted, on low-end hardware, Vista is a dog that likes interrupting you with bullshit prompts. But Microsoft is still selling XP due to popular demand.

        I would love to trumpet the impending arrival of Linux dominance but there is the reality that people and companies stick with what they know -- even if it's a PITA. MS would have to give them a major kick in the ass for them to see the hassle of moving from Windows as worth it. And I don't see even Vista doing that. At worst, companies and people will stick with XP.

        Which from Microsoft's financial perspective isn't that bad.
      • Re:Which is the catch? by Yetihehe (Score:3) Wednesday December 12, @07:27AM
      • Re:Which is the catch? by sm62704 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:14AM
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    • Fine, let them monitor... (Score:5, Funny)

      by vistic (556838) <vistic@@@asu...edu> on Wednesday December 12, @03:09AM (#21668479) Homepage
      I'll freak MS out by doing nothing with ULTIMATE Office except try to open OpenOffice documents all day long.
    • Re:Which is the catch? by donaldm (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @05:58AM
    • Re:Which is the catch? by mrbluze (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @12:21AM
    • Re:Which is the catch? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @01:19AM
      • Re:Which is the catch? by wolverine1999 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @03:19AM
      • Re:Which is the catch? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Linker3000 (626634) on Wednesday December 12, @06:22AM (#21669269)
        Glad you're not having hassles with Vista. I have just got Vista Business on a laptop at work, making a total of 3 Vista laptops in our organisation:

        Laptop 1 is mine (for supporting Vista). Yesterday I installed Adobe Acrobat 8.1 - the installer told me approximate install time was 160 minutes and it was not lying. The other day I installed another app and the same thing happened - several hours elapsed while a single app was installing. When the machine comes out of standby, it occasionally will go slow for about 10 mins (I have 1.2GB RAM). The wifi switch/LED didn't work properly until a driver update was applied.

        Laptop 2 is in marketing. The user is currently sitting in their car to be outside our wireless zone because she's trying to finish tidying a mailshot spreadsheet and the laptop keeps freezing. She was working OK on two other sites yesterday where there was no wireless so she's testing the theory that it's network-related. Her wifi switch won't turn off the adaptor reliably and it also works in reverse - when the LED is ON, the wifi is OFF and vice versa - even though the switch event handler puts on the screen 'wireless on' and 'wireless off' the right way round.

        Laptop 3 has just been brought in because it stopped making RDP connections and I have just had to hack the registry.

        I am totally neutral when it comes to Vista - I don't love it or hate it, but user experience in our office has been poor; there's too many 'rough edges' and annoying little habits - simple things like the power button options not including 'ask me what to do' and sometimes a USB mouse not being detected when plugged in etc. Overall, the support effort for just these 3 laptops is disproportionate compared to the 100-odd desktops, servers and other laptops (ranging from NT4 through 2000 to XP) we support.
        • Re:Which is the catch? by Linker3000 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @06:28AM
        • Re:Which is the catch? (Score:5, Funny)

          by pushf popf (741049) on Wednesday December 12, @09:49AM (#21670485) Homepage
          You guys are obviously morons. My copy of Vista works perfectly.

          I picked up a brand new really fast Toshiba with a bunch of RAM, brought it home and it ran like crap, kept crashing and accused me of stealing something or other.

          I did a little Googling and learned that the problem was bad drivers. You need to install this set of drivers named "Fedora". I popped in the "Fedora" disk, rebooted, answered a couple of questions (it must be really intelligent, since it didn't even want my Activation Key again), and everything worked great!

          Tomorrow, I'm going to call Toshiba and find out why they didn't just ship this "Fedora" update automatically.

        • Re:Which is the catch? by BlackSnake112 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:04PM
        • Re:Which is the catch? by Blue Stone (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @12:43PM
        • Smaple size is everything. by LWATCDR (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @02:50PM
        • Re:Which is the catch? by entmike (Score:1) Thursday December 13, @05:18PM
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      • Re:Which is the catch? by Timex (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @08:14AM
      • Re:Which is the catch? by sm62704 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @09:03AM
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  • Not accurate. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Junta (36770) on Tuesday December 11, @11:51PM (#21667365)
    They want to monitor whatever you are currently using today, XP or Vista, and won't give the goods until after three months of watching your stuff.
  • What happens if you STOP participating? by allaunjsilverfox2 (Score:1) Tuesday December 11, @11:53PM
    • by R4nneko (1194727) on Tuesday December 11, @11:57PM (#21667415)
      From the FAQ: If I decide to stop participating, how do I opt out? Your participation is entirely voluntary, so you may withdraw from the program at any time, with no consequence. If you decide to withdraw from the program, send us an e-mail at winpanel@microsoft.com with the word "remove" in the subject line, and we will take care of it. You should also uninstall our software. It then gives instructions to uninstall the software. And also, you don't get the software until you have participated for a certain amount of time.
    • I presume.. by Junta (Score:2) Tuesday December 11, @11:57PM
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  • Webcam + Wood Maul (Score:5, Funny)

    The caveat is that you have to let them monitor your use of the program.

    This is how I would go about this. I would get a free copy of vista. Then, I would set web cam up outside on the driveway. I would grab a wood maul and just go to town on the disc, and do my best to savor the thought of MS technicians staring on in horror.
  • No longer available (Score:5, Informative)

    by beavis88 (25983) on Tuesday December 11, @11:55PM (#21667393)
    At least not the free gift part. From an email received from Microsoft posted to hardwareanalysis.com forums:

    "What happened to the free product option?

    Thank you for your interest in the feedback program. Due to overwhelming response, the supply of gifts have been exhausted so we have closed our free product offer on 12/11/2007 at 2pm. Thanks to everyone that participated!"
  • Bad because... by RightSaidFred99 (Score:2) Tuesday December 11, @11:58PM
  • by unassimilatible (225662) on Tuesday December 11, @11:58PM (#21667433) Journal
    "All the sex you want! But you're not going to like the catch."
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  • I'm gonna fire up a bunch of VM's by apparently (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @12:00AM
  • Honeypot (Score:5, Funny)

    by fractalVisionz (989785) on Wednesday December 12, @12:00AM (#21667457) Homepage
    I should set up a honeypot with their products. Hopefully when they are watching, they will get a virus or infected by a bot net.
  • Hide your own habits... use a VM! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Z80xxc! (1111479) on Wednesday December 12, @12:00AM (#21667459)

    Instead of letting them see every single thing you do on your computer for a whole 3 months (or longer... who knows what stays on your computer after installing the software), why not install Windows XP in a VM, install their crap, run it once or twice a week to "check your email" or whatever, and then after three months, collect your software? They only see what goes on in the VM, you get your free Vista and everyone's happy. Well, if using Vista can be considered as something that would make you happy.

    Just to show how bad their monitoring actually is:

    3. Additional data collection

    The following list describes some examples of additional data collection our software performs:

    • Windows settings and usage, such as the number of user accounts on the computer and the view settings for Control Panel (that is, if you use the default Category view or the Classic view to display Control Panel).
    • Details about your computer hardware, such as processor type and speed (as well as the number of processors), system memory, video memory, and other hardware configuration information.
    • File and folder information, such as the number of files and folders located in common places (for example, in Documents).
      * Which programs you open (for example, which application you use to read your e-mail).
      * Changes you make to your hardware or software.
      * Problems you encounter, such as application crashes.

    They're basically looking at everything you do. Here's my favorite bit from the whole thing:

    This sounds good, but I'm still concerned. Is this anything like the "spyware" I've heard about?
    No, this is not spyware. You choose to participate in the Windows Feedback Program and you can easily withdraw from the Program at any time with no penalty whatsoever.

    This sounds like spyware? Yeah, I'll say. But noooooooo, it's not at all harmful for your computer. Rigghhhtttt....

  • Bad deal! by messier31 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:05AM
  • Prior Art (Score:5, Insightful)

    by madbawa (929673) on Wednesday December 12, @12:05AM (#21667501) Journal
    They want us to let them monitor use of their program?? Don't they do that already???
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  • i don't see the issue (Score:5, Insightful)

    by xubu_caapn (1086401) on Wednesday December 12, @12:07AM (#21667517)
    I don't see the issue here. No question of privacy really, people can choose to do this or not, and it's openly the catch. Microsoft probably wants to watch people's use of it to see what people have trouble with and what they can improve..
  • You know you wanna... by br1an.warner (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:07AM
  • Upon further digging (Score:3, Interesting)

    by HadesInjustice (872477) on Wednesday December 12, @12:08AM (#21667535)
    Does the software impact the performance of my computer? "We have gone to great lengths to design the Windows Feedback Program software to limit the amount of computer resources it uses to collect data. You may see a minor change in performance when you first log in to Windows; however, this typically only occurs during the first few minutes after login while we are collecting basic configuration information." In my opinion, that translate to... "The print out of the code is so lengthy the printer ran out of ink, twice. The software will not severely hamper the performance of the computer (as compare to Vista that already used up ~500mb of RAM on idle, there isn't all that much performance left to hamper anyway). After you first log in, we are going to collect some basic information and make sure you have an authentic Windows OS. We might decide to sue you or disable your OS if we found it to be pirated."
    • Re:Upon further digging (Score:5, Insightful)

      by sqrt(2) (786011) on Wednesday December 12, @12:17AM (#21667597) Journal
      Do people still not understand how Vista manages RAM? This is slashdot, of all places I'd expect the people here to understand pre-emptive caching. That 50% RAM usage isn't Vista, it's all kinds of stuff that you are constantly opening being kept in memory so that the next time you need it the program can open faster. It learns your habits and caches stuff it knows you frequently use. It's the reason why WMP11, firefox, or word opens nearly instantly when I click on it. You can even turn this feature off it bugs you so much, it's a service called superfetch.

      There are legitimate reasons for disliking Vista, there's so many in fact that you don't need to be using this false one to pad your list of complaints. When you do, it weakens your argument and makes it look like you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
    • Re:Upon further digging by mooglez (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @02:31AM
    • Re:Upon further digging by davidsyes (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @02:32PM
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  • 2girls1cup (Score:4, Funny)

    by AikonMGB (1013995) on Wednesday December 12, @12:10AM (#21667543)

    I would setup a dedicated box with XP on it that would just sit their with their spy software installed and 2girls1cup running on replay. Stuff it in the basement and forget about it for three months :D

    Aikon-

    • Re:2girls1cup by AresTheImpaler (Score:2) Wednesday December 12, @12:53AM
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    • Re:2girls1cup by BigFoot48 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @06:35PM
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  • yup by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:14AM
  • I want the bonus offer by zazenation (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:14AM
  • please, please gimme one! by surfi (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:16AM
  • There's more then one catch. by fremean (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:18AM
  • Hey Microsoft by trouser (Score:1) Wednesday December 12, @12:19AM
  • by definate (876684) on Wednesday December 12, @12:25AM (#21667647)
    Something FREE! That's good!

    Vista Ultimate? That's bad!

    Monitoring? That's bad!

    Can I downgrade it to Windows XP Pro and get a free Windows XP Pro license that's legit? That'd be good!