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BSA Asks Kids to Name Copyright Weasel 828

theodp writes "According to CNET News, this fall, 4th-graders will not only be treated to comic books and lesson plans from the Business Software Alliance and Weekly Reader, but also invited to name the BSA's mascot, a copyright-crusading ferret who teaches tech-savvy kids about the importance of protecting and respecting copyrighted works such as software, music, games and movies. More details in the BSA press release."
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BSA Asks Kids to Name Copyright Weasel

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  • Lemmiwinks! (Score:5, Funny)

    by SteroidMan ( 782859 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:21PM (#9943680)
    Because that ferret is destined to go on a long dark journey!
    • Re:Lemmiwinks! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by crimethinker ( 721591 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:32PM (#9943796)
      Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. The contest is now closed. Thanks for playing.

      Seriously, though, I'm not sure where the joke ends and the reality begins. They're going to have an animal mascot to teach kids about their (the BSA's) view of copyright? It works for breakfast cereal ("They're gRRRRRRReat!") so I guess it will work for getting kids to rat out their friends for mod-chipping an x-box.

      However, they seem to be forgetting something from their school years - NOBODY likes a snitch. Most of the kids who have x-boxes or similar consoles at home are keenly aware of how the price of a game compares to their weekly allowance, and their reaction to seeing a chipped console would most likely be "cool, where can I get one, too?"

      -paul

  • by quizwedge ( 324481 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:21PM (#9943683)
    something to the effect of The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation is the philosophy of the government in the next. This seems a good way for organizations to get laws changed in their favor.
  • Brainwashing! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by agent dero ( 680753 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:21PM (#9943685) Homepage
    It's not just for your parents anymore! :P
  • Darl (Score:5, Funny)

    by romper ( 47937 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:22PM (#9943688)
    Let's name him Darl!
  • by yroJJory ( 559141 ) <me @ j o r y .org> on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:22PM (#9943689) Homepage
    Gosh, it sure reminds me of good ol' Frank Burns from M*A*S*H! Take THAT, Ferret Face!

  • by VonGuard ( 39260 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:22PM (#9943693) Homepage Journal
    Fucktard, the copyright weasel.
  • At least... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wo1verin3 ( 473094 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:23PM (#9943696) Homepage
    BSA Asks Kids to Name Copyright Weasel

    At least they choose the right animal. Has anyone heard when SCO will be letting us name their skunk mascot?
  • odd choice (Score:5, Insightful)

    by randyest ( 589159 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:23PM (#9943697) Homepage
    As the article says:

    The ferret, by the way, does seem to be an odd mascot choice for an organization devoted to strict legal adherence, given that the weasel-like mammals are outlawed in California and several other states.

    Anyway, were I in 4th grade, I'd submit "nibbler."

    You know. In honor of the old copy/backup programs often called "nibblers" frmo the C64/Apple2 days. Since they nibbled the disk bit-by-bit to make exact copies. And like ferrets.

    Get it? ;)
  • Snitchy (Score:5, Funny)

    by xoboots ( 683791 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:23PM (#9943708) Journal
    First of all, he looks like a rip-off of everyone else's favourite corporate cartoon character: Poochy. So "Snitchy" feels right.
    • by One Louder ( 595430 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:37PM (#9943843)
      BSA guy #1: We at the BSA want a weasel with attitude. He's edgy, he's "in your face." You've heard the expression "let's get busy"? Well, this is a weasel who gets "biz-zay!" Consistently and thoroughly.

      BSA guy #2: So he's proactive, huh?

      BSA guy #1: Oh, God, yes. We're talking about a totally outrageous paradigm.

      BSA guy #3: Excuse me, but "proactive" and "paradigm"? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important? Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that. [pause] I'm fired, aren't I?

      BSA guy #4: Oh, yes.

      Apologies to The Simpsons...

  • Who's copyright? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TommydCat ( 791543 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:23PM (#9943710) Homepage
    Kids, make sure to copyright your entries!
  • by nurb432 ( 527695 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:24PM (#9943714) Homepage Journal
    While I will teach my child what *I* believe is right and wrong, we can hope that the children of parents that are not quite as diligent see thru this garbage.

    Perhaps with a bit of luck this attempt at brainwashing will totally backfire.

    Home schooling becomes more appealing each day.
    • Learning about how US Law works is *not* brainwashing. If you want to change the law, work to change it... but while that law exists, it should be taught just like any other.

      If every person who illegally downloaded an MP3, movie, or piece of software instead wrote a letter to their congressman on their beliefs about copyright, then I could guarantee that the law would be changed. But breaking a law is not an acceptable way of changing a law.

      I like how the Slashdot summary says "weasel" while the actual
      • It's not that big of a stretch, they are in the same Family [wikipedia.org]. I believe it was intended to be a joke.
      • Brainwashing (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nurb432 ( 527695 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:48PM (#9943933) Homepage Journal
        The problem is not that they are teaching legality, they are twisting the law to their own view.

        Such as trying to convince children that its a criminal act to download ANY music file.

        Problem is that its a CIVIL issue, ( at least for now, unless Hollings gets his way.. then it will be criminal ) and 2ndly its not illegal to download *copyrighted*material. Its illegal to download material that isn't permitted for distribution in that manner..

        Its also legally debatable that its even illegal to download restricted data.. Remember fair use, libraries, copying excerpts.. etc.

        Its also NOT the job of some industry to come and teach students. Even if I were to accept the concept of what they were trying to portray, its the SCHOOLS job to teach facts, not some company. ( and its parents job to teach morality ).
        • Re:Brainwashing (Score:3, Insightful)

          by LostCluster ( 625375 ) *
          The slipperly slope about that seemingly intentional confusion between "copyrighted" and "authorized for free distribution" is very dangerous.

          Simplfying the matter that much overlooks the fact that the concept called "public domain" is not only for content that was copyrighted at one time but is no more, but also for content in which there still legally exists a copyright but the owner has publically declared that they will not enforce their copyright, since a binding promise not to use ones rights renders
      • by Clueless Moron ( 548336 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:23PM (#9944169)
        On December 1, 1955, Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus to a white man, despite the law.

        This set in wheels in motion to have those segragation laws declared unconstitutional in the USA.

        It is your moral duty to refuse to obey laws that you know are simply wrong and immoral. It's called "civil disobedience" and has has a pretty decent track history of causing positive change without too much bloodshed.

        PS: Note that I'm not specifically saying that this mp3 downloading ruckus falls in that category. I'm just saying that your affirmation that all laws need to be obeyed is just not right.

  • WTF? (Score:5, Funny)

    by wmute ( 29403 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:24PM (#9943716)
    May I be one of hopefully many in saying WTF?? How is the BSA allowed to even infiltrate our PUBLIC school system, I mean what goes on at these meetings

    BSA REP: "We will give you enough money to buy 10 more computers if you let us brainwash the kids"

    Director of school: "I'm not sure thats a good idea, have you ever read 1984?"

    BSA REP: "Of course I have, I'll make it 11 computers and I won't let RIAA charge you for illegal music downloads"

    Director of school: "But i havn't downloaded any illegal music"

    BSA REP: "Thats what they all say!"

  • by bburrill ( 234979 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:24PM (#9943717)
    Hey kids be a weasel and turn in your friends for downloading music!
  • Attack the Young (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:25PM (#9943718)
    While I'm all for respecting copyrights and all that intellectual property stuff, I find it strangely difficult to accept moral lessons from the BSA.

    I suppose they'll be joining the ranks of MTV, musicians, and video games in the world of raising YOUR children.

    Parents -- please take responsibility for your children. Please?
  • Quisling (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Trespass ( 225077 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:25PM (#9943721) Homepage
    Too easy.
  • by CharonX ( 522492 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:26PM (#9943735) Journal
    How about Captain Copyright?
    See how the dauntless Captain Copyright sells out its friend to the BSA for talking about copying software.
    Laught when Captain Copyright battles with the fearsom Product Pirates (and see how they get locked up for 30 years for running an illegal copy of Windows XP).
    Be fascinated how Captian Copyright bribes and lobbies the Congress to introduce capital punishment for product theft.
  • Whoa (Score:3, Funny)

    by offpath3 ( 604739 ) <offpath4.yahoo@co@jp> on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:26PM (#9943738)
    For a second, when I read the title, I thought it meant the BSA was asking children to rat on their friends... Glad to hear it's just brainwashing!
  • Just say no... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:27PM (#9943742)

    If this program has any success like the Just Say No program did in the 1980s, then we should be seeing an entire generation of copyright violators in, oh, 20-30 years.

    Raw raw brainwashing backfires.

  • by White Roses ( 211207 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:27PM (#9943747)
    I can't think of a better name than Hilary.
  • by freelunch ( 258011 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:27PM (#9943748)
    So how long until the kids are 'taught' to turn in their parents "to help them"?

    Gotta love my tax dollars supporting this tripe.

  • A weasel, indeed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by the pickle ( 261584 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:28PM (#9943758) Homepage
    Ah yes. That's just too appropriate. Weasels are the snakes of the mammal family. (Yeah, it's not proper taxonomic jargon. So sue me.) Always sneaking around behind other animals' backs, and fighting like holy hell whenever they get cornered. Oh, and weasels particularly like to eat young things.

    Heck, just the fact that they've picked a weasel is funny enough for me. Could they possibly have picked a WORSE animal mascot? Maybe the cockroach...

    p
  • by superdan2k ( 135614 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:28PM (#9943759) Homepage Journal
    Howabout "Orrin the Ass-Burrowing Money Weasel"? It's got a nice ring to it. You gotta admit.
  • How fitting (Score:5, Funny)

    by ShatteredDream ( 636520 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:30PM (#9943772) Homepage
    A rodent that tends to smell like shit and is uncannily prone to getting rabies. Things like this are why I don't believe in coincidences anymore....
  • by 0x0d0a ( 568518 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:31PM (#9943780) Journal
    Linux: Chubby, randy penguin. A rather inoffensive critter.

    BSA: A maniacally-grinning weasel.

    I wanna see all the logos that will be sure to come up involving Python and everybody's least-favorite weasel.
  • by Eneff ( 96967 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:31PM (#9943783)
    Satan?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:33PM (#9943801)
    Juares. Spelt W A R E Z.

    Rock on!
  • by azav ( 469988 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:33PM (#9943803) Homepage Journal
    In the article, it notes that we can write in "Sterling Ball" the guy who jettisoned all MS products after getting raided by the BSA.

    Anyone know where the url is so we can vote?

  • by scorp1us ( 235526 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:42PM (#9943881) Journal
    How is the GNU mascot supposed to compete with the aptly selected weasel? A weasel is much more fun to play with.

    I guess we have to lauch a counter movement, and tellthem to share and share alike. We'll then see which culture benefits better and improves faster.

  • by British ( 51765 ) <british1500@gmail.com> on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:43PM (#9943893) Homepage Journal
    Many moons ago there was a small video with some unknown rapper talking about the effects of piracy to 2 kids.

    Someone's got it on the web somewhere. Quite possibly the funniest thing you have ever seen for propaganda.
  • by Tuxedo Jack ( 648130 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:50PM (#9943945) Homepage
    Than Lemmiwinks.

    After all, god knows the BSA's going to try to jam it up our asses anyways.
  • by Hamster Lover ( 558288 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:53PM (#9943961) Journal
    pumps out thousands of "Copywrite Krusader" stuffed counterfeits. Look for them on a street corner near you.

    Now THAT would be hilarious.

    And on a more important note, a Ferret, what the hell? A friend of mine has two of these fuzzy things and one thing the BSA and Ferrets have in common is both want to get into your pants.
  • by jasomill ( 186436 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:55PM (#9943979)

    A Cyber-Ethics Champion Code [playitcybersafe.com] with items such as

    I look for the copyright symbol (©) whenever I add a new program or game to my computer.

    Why? First of all, use of the mark is now optional [copyright.gov], at least in the U.S. Second, the mark itself doesn't explain to the child (or anyone else) whether or not a program may be copied (e.g., GPL'd software is copyrighted). The license does. Which leads us to...

    I know that the copyright owner gets to decide how many times a software program can be copied. That means I can't copy the software that is running on my home computer unless the license for that program says I can.

    So the assumption is that a child young enough to be attracted to the weasel-ferret-whatever mascot will read and understand the license agreements included with his or her software? Perhaps the BSA wants to donate to some sort of fund for early legal education?

    I guess the problem I have with all this is, there's currently a lot of controversy surrounding free software, copyright, patents, and other "intellectual property" issues, and if we're not prepared to educate our children about the issues, we shouldn't allow the "voice of the world's commercial software industry" to do it for us, any more than we allow McDonald's to educate our children about nutrition. Oh, wait... [mcdonalds.com]

  • All too easy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by paiute ( 550198 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @06:58PM (#9944001)
    To reinforce to the kids about how copyright works in the real world, the weasel's name should be...
    Mickey Mouse.

  • by Black Rabbit ( 236299 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:02PM (#9944031)
    ...mandatory Simpsons reference?

    "Weaseling out of things is important to learn! It's what separates us from the animals! 'Cept the weasel." --Homer

  • by promethean_spark ( 696560 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:07PM (#9944070)
    Alpha children wear grey They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm really awfuly glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. I know it's true because the weasel told me so!
  • by MsGeek ( 162936 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:09PM (#9944081) Homepage Journal
    Name this beast after the Congresscritter most thoroughly owned and operated by the RIAA and MPAA! I'm sure he's also owned and operated by the BSA as well, or at least sympathetic to their cause.

    The species change would not only make it a better rhyming name, but one would have to do it because ferrets are still illegal in California. (and Hawaii, and the 5 boroughs of New York City, NY)
  • My Problem Here (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Bruha ( 412869 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:22PM (#9944166) Homepage Journal
    I dont mind the power company coming in with Larry the Lightning Bolt teaching kids to leave power lines and other nasty power stuff alone. But for a business such as this which tends to threaten businesses without a shred of proof then sue them if they refuse guilty or not should not be allowed into our schools to pitch their views on copyright.

    It's the responsibility of eduacators to bring this topic up in the classroom. Explain what a copyright is and explain some of the history of it. It's up to the kids to decide if it's the right thing not some corporate sponsored entity telling our kids that copyrights are fine. All it does is breed a group of kids that will not challenge the system and sit around all day thinking certain laws are okay when in fact they may not be so perfect.
  • by jinxidoru ( 743428 ) on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:35PM (#9944233) Homepage
    You've gotta love living in a country where teaching 4th graders morality will put you in front of a judge, but where it's apparently OK to indocrinate children with the corrupt money-mongering copyrighting system. Breach of copyright, now there's a sin we need to teach our children to avoid. But don't you dare teach them about chastity or good moral living.

    Sorry, I just get upset with the priorities of this country sometimes.
  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:44PM (#9944273)
    An interesting sidebar to this whole story is that the way that both sides want to call the similar looking animal:

    The RIAA wants to say "ferret" because that word is also defined as a verb that means to search for something in a group of others.

    The anti-RIAA forces wants to say "weasel" because that word when used as an adjective means a person that is dishonest and/or greedy.

    That's a sign of a bad PR person somewhere at the RIAA. No matter how cute the positive association is, you shouldn't put out a PR campaign with a mascot that easy to mock.
  • by Bloodmoon1 ( 604793 ) <be.hyperion@gmai ... m minus language> on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @07:53PM (#9944358) Homepage Journal
    Attached to the article is a lovely little game called Deep Freeze [playitcybersafe.com], and Christ almighty is it hard.

    The point of the game is that you're supposed to use Rat Bastard (As I'm now referring to the Weasel) to kick a ball to destroy Pirates (Represented by a Skull and Crossbones) and Software (Represented by a CD. Note that I said software, not illegal software, just plain software. Interesting...) all while collecting Licenses to protect your city.

    Ah, yes, you're asking the same question I was, "Protect it from what?" Quickly, you will learn the answer, to protect your fair city from being "frozen" by software piracy. The game is ridiculouslyhard and as far as I played it, is impossible to win. I can only assume that this is by design to show kids how hard it is to "defend" against the deluge of pirated software.

    Man, does anyone else feel like they're in some kind of really weird, fucked up movie with a bad plot everytime they read this absolutly insane software piracy shit? Seriously, it seems like I'm inside of some horrible plot hole whenever I read the BSA is working in conjunction with Weekly Reader (Which I remember from back when I was in school) in order to indoctrinate 4th graders to believe software piracy is some sort of scourge of the Universe. Back when I read Weekly Reader, it had stuff about all kinds of exotic animals, something about space, or just anything else kids thought was really cool. Now it teaches them about Copyright laws?

    What the fuck? This country really needs to get its shit back together. I love America, but I fear for our future when corporations can have the power to set ciriculum, especially for such young, impressionable kids like this.
  • by stienman ( 51024 ) <adavis AT ubasics DOT com> on Wednesday August 11, 2004 @08:21PM (#9944521) Homepage Journal
    Don't cut n paste, please, but here's a copy of my email to pr@weeklyreader.com [mailto]:

    Subject: BAS Alliance?
    I recently read how Weekly Reader was going to help educate children and teens about copyright law from CNET, at http://news.com.com/Ferreting+out+copyright+scoffl aws/2100-1012_3-5303966.html .

    I remember enjoying Weekly Reader when I was young, going over your website today has made me realize how much has changed over the years.

    While I understand this is primarily a business decision, I want to urge you to reconsider distributing their supplement.

    As a IT professional I am very familiar with the tactics the BSA and similar 'non-profit' organizations use to intimidate and deceive. While the company I work for is in compliance with current copyright laws, we must spend an inordinate amount of time and resources making certian that we can also prove we are in compliance.

    I heartily encourage you to educate your readers on copyright laws, where they came from, what purpose they are meant to serve, and how they have changed and adapted over the decades to meet new challenges. I would strongly urge you against allowing the BSA to perform this education as I can assure you they are interested in how copyright protects copyright owners, and not how copyright also protects individuals and users of copyrighted works.

    Thank you for your time and attention to this important matter!

    -Adam

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