Ex-CIA Software Engineer Sentenced To 40 Years For Giving Secrets To WikiLeaks (theguardian.com) 147
Joshua Schulte, a former CIA software engineer, was sentenced to 40 years in prison on Thursday for carrying out the largest theft of classified information in the agency's history and possessing child pornography. The Guardian reports: The 40-year sentence by US district judge Jesse Furman was for "crimes of espionage, computer hacking, contempt of court, making false statements to the FBI, and child pornography," federal prosecutors said in a statement. The judge did not impose a life sentence as sought by prosecutors. Joshua Schulte was convicted in July 2022 on four counts each of espionage and computer hacking and one count of lying to FBI agents, after giving classified materials to the whistleblowing agency WikiLeaks in the so-called Vault 7 leak. Last August, a judge mostly upheld the conviction.
WikiLeaks in March 2017 began publishing the materials, which concerned how the CIA surveilled foreign governments, alleged extremists and others by compromising their electronics and computer networks. Prosecutors characterized Schulte's actions as "the largest data breach in the history of the CIA, and his transmission of that stolen information to WikiLeaks is one of the largest unauthorized disclosures of classified information" in US history. Prosecutors also said Schulte received thousands of images and videos of child sexual abuse, and that they found the material in Schulte's New York apartment, in an encrypted container beneath three layers of password protection, during the CIA leaks investigation.
WikiLeaks in March 2017 began publishing the materials, which concerned how the CIA surveilled foreign governments, alleged extremists and others by compromising their electronics and computer networks. Prosecutors characterized Schulte's actions as "the largest data breach in the history of the CIA, and his transmission of that stolen information to WikiLeaks is one of the largest unauthorized disclosures of classified information" in US history. Prosecutors also said Schulte received thousands of images and videos of child sexual abuse, and that they found the material in Schulte's New York apartment, in an encrypted container beneath three layers of password protection, during the CIA leaks investigation.
Whoa what are the odds (Score:5, Interesting)
...that this guy who pissed off the government, was also a pedo, according to evidence provided by the government?
Like it just seems odd.
Ok whatever, forget about all that, how about this part of the summary:
"....and that they found the material in Schulte's New York apartment, in an encrypted container beneath three layers of password protection..."
Truecrypt (and these days Veracrypt I guess) offers triple encryption from a single passphrase. And of course, anyone can just nest containers. Can anyone do more journalism than the journalists and see what the baseline of this was? Did he just give them the passwords or did they just have the passwords from keylogging him or what?
Re:Whoa what are the odds (Score:5, Interesting)
https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs181/projects/ethics-of-surveillance/tech_encryptionbackdoors.html [stanford.edu]
Its been around for a while now.
Re: Whoa what are the odds (Score:4, Informative)
TrueCrypt and VeraCrypt both have published source code, and third-party security audits have been published for both. Neither was found to have any significant flaws and there have been no serious indications of backdoors found in almost 20 years of their availability (first TrueCrypt and later VeraCrypt when it followed TrueCrypt's cancellation).
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Could have just been a bad password, keylogger, $5 wrench...
The layers thing, Windows 11 encrypts your boot drive by default now, with the key stored in the TPM so it is transparent. So that's one layer, plus Windows login password, and Veracrypt. The usual exaggerated BS.
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No, it doesn't. Win 11 doesn't encrypt your hard drive by default - it has the ability to do so, but not a default install setting.
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It's the default, you have to disable it (e.g. with Rufus).
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By default, Windows 11 enables BitLocker software encryption of your boot drive. The encryption key is stored in the TPM, and only released when Secure Boot says that the OS hasn't been tampered with.
The Windows password you use to log in has nothing to do with it, other than making it difficult to access the data on the drive if you don't know it.
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Did he just give them the passwords or did they just have the passwords from keylogging him or what?
Per Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"Schulte, in front of the agents, opened the phone, put in the password, handed it over to them to make sure that nothing on the phone could be destroyed or altered and handed it right to the authorities. Afterward, through technical analysis, agents retrieved passwords from his cell phone that unlocked multiple layers of encryption on his desktop computer"
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>Schulte, in front of the agents, opened the phone, put in the password, handed it over to them to make sure that nothing on the phone could be destroyed or altered and handed it right to the authorities.
I read this as meaning that the whistleblower was allowed to watch the authorities to make sure that they didn't alter anything on his phone. Then I realized what system we live in and laughed.
Re: Whoa what are the odds (Score:2)
That argument will work so well in court.
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Like it just seems odd.
It doesn't really. You'd be insanely disappointed at just how prolific the possession of child pornography is around the world. Statistically speaking you're probably working with someone who has some form of incriminating data on their computer right now, the difference is the government typically only goes after those who are prolific in the sharing of it. A large number of possession charges happen during a search while investigating other crimes. Remember, the law doesn't discriminate between someone wh
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One should consider, though, what is "kiddie porn" these days. Took a pic of your child during diaper change? Congrats, you not only possess kiddy porn, you produced some.
I wouldn't be surprised if you find "kiddie porn" of you in some old photo albums in your parents' home.
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The judge threw the case out, but still this guy and his wife had to spend a day in court... explaining why they had the exact same baby pic (less the subject of course)
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One should consider, though, what is "kiddie porn" these days. Took a pic of your child during diaper change? Congrats, you not only possess kiddy porn, you produced some.
I'd be more likely to launch an investigation into the person doing the accusation than the person that had a picture of their child getting a diaper change.
It's a real red flag that someone found an image of a child getting a change was sexually interesting.
Malicious projection is a real thing - we so often see it in religious fundamentalists that rail against gays, yet are found enjoying sex with another of the same sex.
And recently, some of the same people who are worried about crossdressers influ
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That's because you're a sane person.
Sanity is generally absent when hysteria takes over.
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No not really. The only "kiddie porn" you just described is the opinion of the reader comments column of the Daily Mail. Most countries apply a decency clause to images. Your kid is getting a diaper changed, no issue. Your kid is photographed during a diaper change with their legs spread and you rubbing their genitals, be prepared to spend some time in an orange jumpsuit. Your photo of the diaper change is zoomed into their genitals, jumpsuit. You forcefully spreading their legs for the photo shoot (posing)
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> Probably made the passphrases really long causing him to write them down. Don't underestimate just how stupid some people can be, no matter what job they have or who they work for. Idiots are everywhere.
Which is where using a couple of sentences from a book comes in handy. Bonus points if you use sentences from one or more books, in one or more languages.
I must also say the first thing I thought when I read the summary was "what a conincidence - leaks and pedo material". How convenient.
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Like it just seems odd.
Statistically speaking you're probably working with someone who has some form of incriminating data on their computer right now, the difference is the government typically only goes after those who are prolific in the sharing of it.
Correct. Prosecuting Kiddie pR0n is quite difficult. And while while most everyone zeros in on files on a person's computer, the things that get the conviction is association with other pedos, file sharing, especially with hashed files, and obvious pre-pubescent children in the image evidence.
There are just too many ways that images can get on a person's computer to eliminate reasonable doubt. Planting is one of them. A pattern of association and file trading is not.
Re: Whoa what are the odds (Score:2)
"Statistically speaking you're probably working with someone who has some form of incriminating data on their computer right now"
This is why I deleted my still image porn collection. I didn't have records of identification for every model, and although I never tried to download images of underage models, I couldn't guarantee that the images were legal. I didn't want to someday be investigated for something and wind up getting in trouble for something I actively tried not to do, but accidentally did anyway.
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What sense would extra charges even make? The espionage charges are decades themselves.
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Trashing a target's reputation in an attempt to further compromise any public support of them is straight out of the playbook. No one in the government wants a martyr on their hands.
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Why was this tactic not used on Snowden?
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Using the tactic on Snowden would have strained credibility; also the question would have been asked, why do you employ such people? Snowden was an employee in good standing at the time of his flight.
In this guy's case, it was very believable. He left the government before being fired, had a problematic childhood history of what sounds like sexual assault and adult anger issues. Probably those very anger issues that caused him to leak to Wikileaks. I'm surprised his clearance wasn't jerked long before i
Re:Whoa what are the odds (Score:5, Informative)
He admitted that he saw child pornography as a victimless crime [newyorker.com], primarily because he admitted to operating the server and letting people host whatever they wanted on it, and his charge is in distribution of child pornography, not actually committing it. However, some of the photos which include a passed out woman and a hand touching her were able to be deduced that it was him in the photos [newyorker.com].
In fact, when you read that New Yorker article on him, they found his own writings as well as colleagues of his from college confirming that he had a weird fascination with pornography. Not to mention chat logs with others about his server. And not to mention his server's directory used his own name which others he spoke to in the broader community he conversed with advised him to change and cover his tracks.
Oh and how did they get his passwords? Through his phone, which he unlocked and handed over to them per his own defense counsel and the court records [courtlistener.com].
So rather when you look at the facts of this guy, he seemed very cavalier with his activity, and maybe he really was just a dirtbag.
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So I know the default setting in this situation is "the government secret cabal is out to get you" and this guy is a "warrior of justice" or some lame anarchist fantasy nonsense, but according to his actual case, he admitted to the pornography.
He admitted that he saw child pornography as a victimless crime [newyorker.com], primarily because he admitted to operating the server and letting people host whatever they wanted on it, and his charge is in distribution of child pornography, not actually committing it. However, some of the photos which include a passed out woman and a hand touching her were able to be deduced that it was him in the photos [newyorker.com].
In fact, when you read that New Yorker article on him, they found his own writings as well as colleagues of his from college confirming that he had a weird fascination with pornography. Not to mention chat logs with others about his server. And not to mention his server's directory used his own name which others he spoke to in the broader community he conversed with advised him to change and cover his tracks.
Oh and how did they get his passwords? Through his phone, which he unlocked and handed over to them per his own defense counsel and the court records [courtlistener.com].
So rather when you look at the facts of this guy, he seemed very cavalier with his activity, and maybe he really was just a dirtbag.
People tend to view leakers/whistle-blowers based purely on whether they like the leaks.
If you primarily think the government is using the guise of national security to protect itself from scandal, and from exposure of unethical activities, then leaking is good.
If you primarily think there's serious consequences, like people dying, to the exposure of security secrets, then leaking is bad.
But if you think about the actual person doing the leaking it's less about ideology and more about their personal lives.
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Like Julian Assange is a rapist of three women, each of whom illingly had sex with him but all said "stop!" when the condom broke?
Re:Whoa what are the odds (Score:5, Insightful)
Evidence? Early stages of BTC had no way of storing CSAM on the blockchain.
Re:Whoa what are the odds (Score:5, Funny)
You're seriously asking for evidence from someone who claims that the evil, evil "satanists" are going to try to bury his The Truthz?
Evidence, logic and reason don't even get observer status in the club this goofball is in.
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Dig through his posting history if you're into chasing rabbits into holes.
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Gee, and here I was thinking that ordinals were bad.
Re: Whoa what are the odds (Score:3)
It was stored in the blockchain, which isn't part of a wallet, and the actual CSAM was limited to at most a handful of small images, with most of it being links to CSAM. If you have a wallet, you probably have at most a couple of megs of data, and that's basically the Bitcoin addresses and associated keys. The blockchain itself is currently over 500GB, and there is little need for most people to download significant portions of it, with even that just the most recent parts.
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The blockchain itself is currently over 500GB, and there is little need for most people to download significant portions of it, with even that just the most recent parts.
The blockchain is only barely distributed if most people can't download the whole thing. Cryptocurrency is based on lies.
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You *can* download the whole thing - there's just no reason to actually do so unless you want to either determine how much BTC is actually in a very old wallet, or to trace the flow of payments to find out who actually paid for those drugs/weapons/slaves/etc.
Which basically means miners and intelligence agencies. There's no need for a normal BTC user to ever look at the blockchain unless they've forgotten how much is in their wallet. Any more than there's a need for traditional banking customers to go thr
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I guess someone told them they were not capable of being wrong about their predictions of the future,
Ah yes. Satanists being wrong about their predictions for the future [imgur.com]
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I have extended this offer to everyone announcing the rapture: I give you 10% of your net worth right now. And I get your net worth an hour after the rapture.
Yes, there will be a contract, I'm not an idiot...
No takers so far. Strange. Guess their faith ain't strong enough to put their money where their mouth is.
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Okay, I'll take that deal. I predict the rapture will occur at 3pm GMT, April 1st, 3043.
Now fork over 10% of my net worth and have fun waiting around to collect.in 3043.
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Wait 'til April 1st 2042.
Re:Whoa what are the odds (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not so sure about that "I'm not an idiot" bit - are you sure you didn't misphrase something there?
Because I'd take you up on that deal in a heartbeat - it's win-win for me.
Either the rapture happens, and I don't need the money, or it doesn't happen, and I keep the money.
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I have extended this offer to everyone announcing the rapture: I give you 10% of your net worth right now. And I get your net worth an hour after the rapture.
What? That makes no sense.
I'm worth, let's say $100K, you're saying you'll give me $10K now, I keep all my assets, and an hour after the rapture, you take possession of net worth.
So upon entering this agreement with you, I'm now 10% richer, and if the rapture never comes, you're out money with no return. If the rapture comes, and I am taken away, you get assets I no longer have use for.
Your bet is structured to benefit you assuming a) the rapture does come, and b) you aren't swept up.
You are the one betting
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C'mon, buddy, it's obvious that the meaning is "after the alleged date of the rapture".
I didn't want to bore the audience with a text longer than what the average D&D veteran writes when he makes a "wish"...
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I have extended this offer to everyone announcing the rapture: I give you 10% of your net worth right now. And I get your net worth an hour after the rapture.
Yes, there will be a contract, I'm not an idiot...
So, if the rapture never occurs, you never get anything...? Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
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Definitely not paranoid at all.
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Who are the satanists and where do they meet?
Re:Whoa what are the odds (Score:5, Funny)
Who are the satanists and where do they meet?
The Iowa State Capitol Building [desmoinesregister.com]
I find it curious.... (Score:5, Interesting)
that these whistle-blowers always seem to have kiddie porn associated with them...
It's a weird pattern developing... Almsot as if someone were intentionally pushing false narratives to turn public opinion against them...
Re:I find it curious.... (Score:5, Interesting)
that these whistle-blowers always seem to have kiddie porn associated with them...
A step up from the old days, when they developed sudden severe depression, or became very careless drivers. The American version of Russian windows.
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that these whistle-blowers always seem to have kiddie porn associated with them...
A step up from the old days, when they developed sudden severe depression, or became very careless drivers. The American version of Russian windows.
Russian windows? You mean the ones that are so poorly installed that you can easily fall out of them to the ground when you least expect it?
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Russian windows? You mean the ones that are so poorly installed that you can easily fall out of them to the ground when you least expect it?
... and it can happen even to someone standing 10 feet away from the window! Quantum effects have to be involved, somehow...
Re:I find it curious.... (Score:5, Informative)
Well, being a commie isn't cutting it anymore these days to paint you as a dirty boogeyman, we had to find a new bugbear to chase through the village.
Re:I find it curious.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, being a commie isn't cutting it anymore these days to paint you as a dirty boogeyman, we had to find a new bugbear to chase through the village.
Anyone, without real evidence, can be a Russian asset. Anyone, without real evidence, can be an antisemite. There are alternatives to planting porn. Those don't get you labelled a sex offender forever after you're out of prison, though.
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Sorry, but nope. Being smeared as a Putin-cocksucker or Jew-hater will only endear you to the far-right these days. You can't use the right wing nutters go around pretending that he's innocent and only in jail because he hates the political "Establishment" and Teh Elitez want him silenced.
It's gotta be a bugbear that everyone has to hate.
Isn't that strange? Whereas once upon a time, the far right was very much at odds with Russia, now they are a fifth column.
They are still angry about the pee-pee tapes scandal, and well, if you are a Putin loving fifth column person, of course you hate all American intel. In their eyes, Mr Schulte is probably a hero, not a criminal.
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Isn't strange the left used to hate the FBI and their bag of dirty tricks, agent provocateurs etc. But now they love the FBI and want to act as citizen informants. Almost like both parties suffer from an authoritarianism streak, and only care about abuses of power when the boot is on their neck, not when their foot is in the boot.
They are still angry about the pee-pee tapes scandal,
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The left likes the FBI? Last I checked according to the left, the FBI is staffed with racist bastards that try to undermine the BLM movement.
Face it, nobody likes the FBI. Everyone thinks they're exclusively out to get THEM and collaborate with whoever they like the least.
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Isn't that strange? Whereas once upon a time, the far right was very much at odds with Russia, now they are a fifth column. Isn't strange the left used to hate the FBI and their bag of dirty tricks, agent provocateurs etc. But now they love the FBI and want to act as citizen informants. Almost like both parties suffer from an authoritarianism streak, and only care about abuses of power when the boot is on their neck, not when their foot is in the boot.
Cool story bro!
I see that you tried - and failed at - deflecting, and showing that you are a member of the fifth column by that act.. What is it like to be Vlad's useful idiot as they say?
Oe a faithful Russian trying to keep out of the Black Dolphin.
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Isn't that strange? Whereas once upon a time, the far right was very much at odds with Russia, now they are a fifth column.
Why do you say that? Because some republicans question giving Ukraine enough cash to fully fund their payroll and pension benefits for 12 months? Because they don't want to underwrite the entire Ukraine government fora year they are "playing into Putin hands". When have ever sponsored 100% of government funding for someone fighting the Russians?
They are still angry about the pee-pee tapes scandal, and well, if you are a Putin loving fifth column person, of course you hate all American intel. In their eyes, Mr Schulte is probably a hero, not a criminal.
The pee-pee tape never existed, so yes, republicans are upset about baseless smears against their candidate. (BTW, the tape never made sense, what's the point of pee
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"Helping" Ukraine at this point amounts to mostly helping ourselves. We send our obsolete military junk and instead of having to pay for them to scrap it, we actually get money for it. Weapons, and even more so ammo, have a "best before" date. If you don't use them in time, all you can do is scrap it. On the other hand, you can't just manufacture it just-in-time because if the enemy strikes, you can't just begin to ramp up production (hell, if your country is crippled by corruption, as we have seen, not eve
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It's fun, isn't it? They went from "better dead than red" to celebrating everything coming out of Russia, the same country that used to be the epitome of Teh Evilz only 40 years ago.
Hey, then again, Saddam used to be "our man to fight Iran" until he dared to attack the wrong enemy, so ... choosing allies and enemies isn't exactly the forte of a bunch of people.
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It's fun, isn't it? They went from "better dead than red" to celebrating everything coming out of Russia, the same country that used to be the epitome of Teh Evilz only 40 years ago.
Hey, then again, Saddam used to be "our man to fight Iran" until he dared to attack the wrong enemy, so ... choosing allies and enemies isn't exactly the forte of a bunch of people.
You are right about the last part - sometimes politics makes for strange bedfellows.
But the previous occupant still praises Putin.
At least the USA bund was smart enough to stop wearing Swastikas when we were at war with the Nasties.
Rooshia is not a place to be emulated at this point. They are a place where a very few people have almost all the money, and many are in poor shape now. I don't think that will go over very well here. And Trump calls Putin a Genius and savvy for his invasion of Ukraine,
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Rooshia is not a place to be emulated at this point. They are a place where a very few people have almost all the money
So... they emulate the US rather than the other way around.
And Trump calls Putin a Genius and savvy
Well, duh. He admires that he pulled off and got away with a level of fleecing the country that even Trump didn't manage to do.
Well, if you ask me, what this has shown is that Putin's army has a lot of pretty weapons that might be gorgeous, but are aging and not supported very well.
Putin has a Potemkin army. Quite literally so. Just like Potemkin [wikipedia.org] pulled wool over Catherine's eyes with a dog-and-pony show of villages that don't exist so he stays in her good graces, Putin's generals did the same with the army while embezzling the money. And, well, I guess they really thought they could get away with it.
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My dad is an old-school, die-hard conservative. The whole deal. Pro-gun, pro-family, anti-abortion, anti-wellfare, you name it, he's on it.
The thing, though, is that he's also old-school. Born right after WW2 and indoctrinated by a father that almost died in Russia in WW2, he'll never agree with anything coming from there. To him, every Russian is a dirty, lying bastard who will never say a true word even if his life depended on it.
He's celebrating his ass off right now because we manage to hand our obsolet
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Putin isn't a communist and his regime looks nothing like the CPSU one that existed before 1991.
Start there with your misconceptions. There are more. Like that the Ukraine is doing anything but getting its military fraction killed off.
Ah yes - Putin is KGP, and you do not leave that world until you die. So by default, he is very interested in the total destruction of the USA. Just because he is an oligarch, his Post Communist country is not dissimilar to Communist times, when there was a ruling elite that had all the perks and almost all th emoney, and a whole bunch of cannon fodder. The main difference is there is hella lot less capital to work with.
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Putin isn't a communist, he's more a Stalinist. Cult of person combined with an iron rule of terror and all that shit.
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You are aware that the neocon totalitarians ARE actually sitting on the right wing of the spectrum, yes?
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You are aware that the neocon totalitarians ARE actually sitting on the right wing of the spectrum, yes?
Neocons are the Pre-Tea Party, pre MAGA, Pre Putin Americans. It has been a linear progression.
The Neocons did have ideas, even if evil. After that, the Republican party decxided to emulate renowned Philosophers such as Loren Boebert, and Gym Jordon as their brain trust.
Wha is interesting is our fifth column guy is completely unashamed to admit that he is a card carrying enemy of the USA.
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The Republican party, at this point, is mostly similar to populist parties in Europe. We have the same shitshow, and the same kind of dupes fall for it. Funny enough, it's the same kind of parties that turned that way. Parties that actually represent big business and big money, pretending to give a damn for the plight of the "little man" and pretending to work against "those up there".
Want an example?
Our populists went and declared that they will take care of the spongers and moochers that live off YOUR tax
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The Republican party, at this point, is mostly similar to populist parties in Europe. We have the same shitshow, and the same kind of dupes fall for it. Funny enough, it's the same kind of parties that turned that way. Parties that actually represent big business and big money, pretending to give a damn for the plight of the "little man" and pretending to work against "those up there".
Want an example?
Our populists went and declared that they will take care of the spongers and moochers that live off YOUR tax money while not working. And they did. They cut the unemployment down to a bare minimum. Result? Now a lot of people are desperate to get a job, and most of the time that means they're desperate to get YOUR job if you're one of these "little people". So your wage is getting pushed down because more people are fighting to get it. Who wins? The little man? Or the corporations?
Something similar happened here with the womanist movement (I know, what the hell?)
But corporations were happy to have both male and female working if you have so many more people competing for the same jobs, it had downard pressure on wages. But it has started to backfire, and as is often said - "women most affected".
But it is simple math. if you have 100 top level jobs that were once mostly held by men, but then as much as 50 or more of them now going to women, Then okay, sounds like a "who cares" si
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And the US isn't in a demographic problem like most of Europe.
In my country, every year, currently, only 4 people join the workforce for every 5 that retire. Right now, some of the strongest cohorts (born in the late 1950s/early 1960s when we had an huge, huge economy boost) are retiring. We're losing 20% workers of every year's age group. And that's not gonna change until about 2035, and by then, our workforce will be at 80% of the current level. And even then, it will only level out, it won't recover.
Barr
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that these whistle-blowers always seem to have kiddie porn associated with them...
It's a weird pattern developing... Almsot as if someone were intentionally pushing false narratives to turn public opinion against them...
It's like Cracker Jack prizes. There's a free whistle in every box of kiddie pr0n.
Or maybe it's the standard MO to discredit someone. It must be easy to plant kiddie pr0n. Maybe the Russians did it!
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It must be easy to plant kiddie pr0n.
Planting encrypted files on a remote computer when your job is pretty much breaking through the security of a system?
That's something for the intern, don't waste important resources on a milk run like that.
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Character assassination had been a CIA staple when it was still called OSS.
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Or maybe they feel so secure in their data encryption capabilities they are stupid enough to obtain it and hide it.
Re: I find it curious.... (Score:4, Interesting)
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that these spies always seem to have kiddie porn associated with them...
Fixed that for ya.
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Yea. It says alot about their character. Not only to swear an oath and break that oath, you're a low-life that never should have passed the initial security checks in the first place.
Or, when the CIA becomes a threat to the Constitution, it is swearing an oath and abiding by that oath.
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
Oh the FBI Irony! (Score:2)
-TFA
Let that be a warning.. (Score:3)
..to everyone who joined the CIA and starts wondering whether they might be the baddies. Snitch on us and you'll fall out of a window in an out of control Tesla with tons of child porn on the hard drive.
The real question is . . . (Score:2)
Schulte received thousands of images and videos of child sexual abuse
Was he also a drag queen, police office [imgur.com], firefighter [imgur.com], counselor [imgur.com], or pastor [imgur.com]?
If you’re Trump (Score:3)
Then nothing happens. https://abcnews.go.com/US/afte... [go.com]
Wikileads ... whistleblowing? Lol (Score:3)
Wait, how did they get the CP? (Score:2)
Re: Only one way for him to save himself (Score:3)
Obama commuted Manning's sentence. Manning did not receive a pardon and still has a felony record.
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The conviction stands, the sentence was reduced.
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There was a time within living memory he would have been executed.
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In millions of leaks so far, you assholes haven't found any yet.
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Now find an "atrocity" in that list.
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Trump is holding shit-loads more secrets and likely has given them to Russia
Just like you guys have claimed for years. Still waiting for one shred of proof of your conspiracy theories.
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I'm aware of the docs, as you're surely aware of Biden's docs. Not sure what that has to do with your Russia conspiracy bullshit. Not one shred of evidence has ever been found of him or his campaign cooperating with any Russian agents.
Hillary is a different story. She did directly collude with a "former" KGB spy, when she tried to frame and smear Trump to divert from her own email server story in the run up to the election.
But you're not interested in that.
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You, of course, remember that trump was negotiating with the national archives to sort thru the documents and return those he held in error, right? You remember trump walked the archive folks to the boxes in the store room and they only asked him to put a better lock on the door, right?
Trumps home is guarded by SS, the documents in question were largely stored in safe rooms, and Trump was working w/ govt for their return
Let's compare that to Joe Biden who held on to SCI-FI-grade documents from his time as a
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Would you like to try [nbcnews.com] again [newsweek.com]? The loser has admitted he gave classified information to Russia. Let us not forget how the Russian agent had an entire binder full of classified information [cnn.com] about Russian election interference "mysteriously" disappear before he left office.
Nor the multitude of CIA assets which "mysteriously" [americanmilitarynews.com] disappeared [thehill.com] after the Russian agent met with his handler.
Consider
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Would you like to try [nbcnews.com] again [newsweek.com]? The loser has admitted he gave classified information to Russia.
Do you even read your own bullshit? NONE of this was outside of his presidential authority or even unusual, much less represented collusion or anything bad whatsoever. It was just normal information sharing between governments and heads of state which he, as president, deemed important.
Let us not forget how the Russian agent had an entire binder full of classified information [cnn.com] about Russian election interference "mysteriously" disappear before he left office.
Do you have any evidence Trump had anything to do with that missing binder? Much less that he shared it with Russia? How is this anything more than more conspiratorial thinking by a deranged partisan?
Nor the multitude of CIA assets which "mysteriously" [americanmilitarynews.com] disappeared [thehill.com] after the Russian agent met with his handler.
...aaand more derange
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Exactly.
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Your indignation/frustration is because you think he should be convicted and sentenced without any actual evidence.
I know of no evidence of passing secrets to foreign nations, it's all speculation. The only thing I heard was Paul manafort shared internal polling numbers with a Russian friend that had government ties - only problem is a campaign's internal polling numbers are not STATE SECRETS, they are the private property of the campaign that funds them, and they can do what they want with them...,
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