Disney Pulls TV Channels From Vietnam, Govt 'Concerned' Piracy Will Run Riot (torrentfreak.com) 61
An anonymous reader writes: A newspaper run by the Communist Party of Vietnam is reporting the "disappearance" of a number of popular channels from pay TV packages. Citing National Geographic and Nat Geo Wild as examples, the paper notes they're owned by Disney. Vietnam's Ministry of Information and Communications is said to be "concerned" that the withdrawal will allow piracy to run rampant in Vietnam. Multiple high-level trade reports in the U.S. note that piracy has been rampant for years.
Lost sale or not? (Score:2)
If there is no legal way of seeing the show then there is no lost sale by the piracy. Disney has decided Vietnam's money isn't good enough, so honestly the Vietnamese population should just shrug and download.
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If there is no legal way of seeing the show then there is no lost sale by the piracy. Disney has decided Vietnam's money isn't good enough, so honestly the Vietnamese population should just shrug and download.
Their latest business decisions are so par for the course that Disney golfers are taking the double bogey instead.
With a drop. On the green. A foot from the hole.
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Coming soon - "The Marvels 2, Rise of the Flerkens!"
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we all know that "go woke go broke"
No, we don't, woke statistically doesn't impact sales of anything either positively or negatively, but conservatives surely do believe the phrase and like to repeat it a lot.
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This YouTube channel [youtube.com] analyzed movie revenues vs. amount of wokeness and did statistics on the matter. The conclusion is simple: there are more woke movie failures because there are more woke movies, which gives the impression woke movies fail more. In reality though, the failure-to-success ratio of woke vs non-woke movies is the same. Were there exactly the same quantity of woke and non-woke movies being made, woke movies would have no more failures than non-woke ones.
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Aren't you a cute little fallacier? The ones you used were the genetic fallacy with a sprinkle of appeal to ridicule. Try again, that's too basic. Just don't invoke the fallacy fallacy, or I'll be forced to hit back with the fallacy fallacy fallacy, okay?
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There is a significant Venn overlap between woke story changes and abandoning the comic book plotting of yesteryear entirely which underlaid much of the success in Marvel films.
Choose your reason and roll on. Any attempt to restore fan interest will require going back to some of the more tried and true content, which will inevitably be less 'woke', regardless of minor changes like gender flips or whatever. As for why it was better, might have something to do with starving if the comic book readership didn
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Choose your reason and roll on.
I dislike woke comics myself, but not because they're woke, as I generally agree with the ideas. I dislike them because they're boring. Their writers are bad at their craft.
My own guess is that's what driving sales away. The low quality, not the contents, as progressive themes have traditionally sold very well, X-Men comics having been the standard for progressiveness in mainstream superhero comics since their origin. This new generation of woke authors are really crappy writers, and sales cannot but suffer
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The X-Men did not seem so cutting edge in the 80s. I was a fan of Starlin's Dreadstar, and that took the story to many places that Claremont would never have aspired to. Comics code certainly had something to do with this, but there was something else. The darkness in his characters was more profound somehow. You could have written the Syzygy Darklock story "The Price" under the comics code, for instance.
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True, Dreadstar was incredible! I haven't read it in full yet, only the first omnibus (24 issues or so). I really need to get back into it and finish reading the full series at some point.
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I'm going to warn you that after the defeat of one of the galactic powers, the story lost its way. Starlin was no longer the artist or even the writer after a certain point, and I never really got into the story after that. Reading up to #40 should get the best parts out of the way. Watching Dreadstar decline in the later issues was a little painful really.
I _DO_ recommend the Metamorphosis Odyssey from Epic Illustrated, the graphic novel and of course the Annual #1 with "The Price" to round out the firs
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woke statistically doesn't impact sales of anything either positively or negatively
So the live action remake of Snow White and the 7 diversity hires was bound to fail anyway?
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So the live action remake of Snow White and the 7 diversity hires was bound to fail anyway?
I thought the hiring decision was bad, but I doubt it'd have failed if we measure such things by gross revenue, as studios do. Most people dislike watching animations but watch live-action versions of the exact same story even if the live-action ends up being worse than the original, since for most people cartoons are for kids, period. The result is Disney's remakes of their old cartoons bring them more money than the original cartoons ever made, whether they're good or not.
I guess the same would have happe
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Profits aren't impacted? Say wut?
Have you seen Disney's stock price or quarterly reports the last few years?
Where did you get the idea Disney is doing well with their content?
The parks are packed, their movies not so much.
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My, you are indeed a cute fallacier!
I say live-action movies bring in more gross revenue than the cartoon original, e.g., the woke "Beauty and the Beast" live action having made $510 million vs the definitely not-woke cartoon having made $315 million (domestic adjusted values), Mr. iAmWayMoreDunningKruegeryThanYou comes talking about quarterly reports.
A proper counterpoint, Mr. DK, would have been to talk about how in several cases the live-action generated less gross, to which I'd have rebuked mentioning g
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30% loss of sales volume sure sounds like it DID impact sales. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good conservative bashing. Democrats never let reality bother them before why start now.
> Sales of Bud Light are still sinking, with volumes down 30% year-over-year for the four weeks ending on October 7, according to NIQ data given to Beer Business Daily newsletter. https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31... [cnn.com]
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30% loss of sales volume sure sounds like it DID impact sales.
Active mass boycotts work at reducing revenue for the actively mass-boycotted thing. News at 11.
That's no different from the conservative backlash against the Dixie Chicks in the early 2000s, which made history as the very first instance of what we now call cancel culture. As then, so now. Conservatives decided to cancel Bud Light, and Bud Light was canceled. Nothing very different from any other cancelation, whether right-wing or left-wing.
And since cancelations are points outside the curve, they don't hel
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No one ever boycotted anything before the Dixie chicks?
That's cool, brah, way cool.
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And here Mr. DK, perfecting (?) his fallacious ways, though in this case it might be true confusion, mixes a boycott, in which people decide not to buy something, with a cancellation, in which people decide to boycott something and to prevent others from buying something.
The Bud Light storm in a watercup event was (is) a boycott. The Dixie Chicks was a cancellation. Learn the difference.
Also, DK, DK, DK, listen, you need to start paying attention to what others say before replying. Strawmannig is fun and al
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Bud Light sales are sinking because it's a shit "beer" to begin with and against all odds they managed to alienate BOTH sides of the political divide. Going after the youth market was foolhardy given their product. There's no untapped market for mass produced horse piss amongst the 20-something crowd. Thinking an influencer, trans or otherwise, would convince that market segment to adopt their product was mind-numbingly naive. Backpedaling after the manufactured backlash completed the trifecta of stupid
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That's the story they wanted you to believe. Chances are, it was a cover operation to shut down the t
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Yeah they totally decided to take a huge corporate loss in revenue and a multi billion dollar stock loss so they could lay off 600 people.
That totally makes sense! I'm with you, bro! Stay united!
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No, we don't, woke statistically doesn't impact sales of anything either positively or negatively, but conservatives surely do believe the phrase and like to repeat it a lot.
I don't know about sales impact and I'm very definitely not a conservative but I'll tell you the woke nonsense interjected into modern day Star Trek rips me out of the universe every fucking time. Star Trek has been woke from the very beginning but it was usually done by modeling behavior, not virtue signaling. Nichelle Nichols being on Star Trek was a huge fucking deal in the 1960s. She stuck with the role at the request of MLK Jr. himself. In show it wasn't commented on. Kirk didn't pat himself on
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the woke nonsense interjected into modern day Star Trek rips me out of the universe every fucking time.
I agree with all your points wholeheartedly. I agree with many woke talking points, while deeply disliking how bad most woke authors are at their job.
On a certain level I understand why they feel the need to so blatantly proselytize in their production. It seems to me many of them concluded modeling behavior goes way over the heads of most people watching, to the point many don't even notice there's anything being messaged there. A recent case I saw was with Aliens, in which some people fail so utterly at n
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Is the point of the production to bring in woke talking points? I suppose if that's why you are making something, then sure, bring it on. I was under the impression these shows were made for entertainment and ultimately making money for the studios.
As we've already said, there's nothing wrong with having people behave woke but when you shove it in someone's face, that's where it tends to fall flat on, well, its face!
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Is the point of the production to bring in woke talking points? I suppose if that's why you are making something, then sure, bring it on.
Artists generally, for the most part, want to divulge their beliefs through their art, to have their art have meaning. They also need to make money, evidently, so ideally they try to do both things simultaneously. And they tend to look down at purely commercial artists who merely output whatever sells.
Traditionally this messaging was done in a not-evident way, to help people reflect. In the case of Alien, for example, we have the facehuggers violently raping males, impregnating them, forcing them to carry a
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So when a wasp injects its eggs into a caterpillar, it is really raping the caterpillar?
That's why you think face huggers are about? Raping men to death?
Uh ok.
Good thing no females ever died in any of the movies. Right? Or that giant elephant alien with its chest blown out? Obviously another male rape victim.
lol
Too good
Just way too good
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That's why you think face huggers are about? Raping men to death?
Me? Oh, dear, I'm referring what the Alien scriptwriter, Dan O'Bannon himself [screenrant.com], said about what he wanted to portray when he wrote that entire scene.
*sigh* Thanks for offering a clear example of why woke authors nowadays feel the need to include in-movie speeches. Subtlety is dead, if it ever were alive to begin with. Movie audiences really are too dumb to understand themes and topics if they aren't spelled out in ALL CAPS with no possibility of ambiguity left.
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While my memory about these is a bit hazy, later iterations of Aliens show either sex can be "raped" by the facehugger and die they exact same death. I'll admit, I never watched the Alien movies and thought to myself everything you just typed up. I was enjoying the movie for the action horror they clearly are.
I don't really watch movies to be preached at and if a movie gets preachy, it tends to just ruin the movie. If these artists really wanted to change how people see an issue, trying to make them feel gu
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trying to shove your message into someone's face and often times beating them over the head with the message isn't really an affective way of changing hearts and minds.
I agree. I hope the next generation of writers will tone down the preaching and go back to metaphorical and allegorical allusions. Those work much better.
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but seems to be the hallmark of the current generation of progressive authors.
Before we called it woke we called it 'virtue signaling'. The person with the "Black Lives Matter" sticker on their car that freaks the fuck out when they take a wrong turn and end up in a minority majority neighborhood. We all know someone like this. That is the archetype I imagine in a lot of these writer's rooms.
I can throw shade at modern Trek in the non-woke context too. There's a scene in Discovery's Season 4, where Earth is in mortal danger (sigh, overused trope) and the heroes are commiserating
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It reeks of sheltered white people virtue signaling to other sheltered white people so nobody has to feel guilty about current inequalities in society.
Thanks for this! I couldn't have said it better!
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we all know that "go woke go broke"
No, we don't, woke statistically doesn't impact sales of anything either positively or negatively, but conservatives surely do believe the phrase and like to repeat it a lot.
(Reality) "Please throw away this skunked 6-month old Bud Light..."
Tell that again to every person who was laid off because of what you claim is insignificant. Feel free to start with the thousands formerly known as Twitter employees.
Still finding those in denial? Gosh, now who could have imagined...with such a rich history and all..
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Sorry, but I cannot find the argument in what you wrote. It seems to be three disconnected sentences without a unifying line of reasoning. Please try to rephrase it, and while doing so please also state explicitly what I imagine are some hidden premises you're using.
Piracy run rampant? (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't know about Vietnam, but I once went to a video store in Malaysia. It was a full storefront in a mall, with a logo, and all the employees wore uniforms like a regular store. There was one shelf near the front door selling "import" DVDs—in other words, legitimate ones—and the rest of the whole store was stocked with bootlegs. I mentioned casually to one of the employees that, at the time, you could not buy Lucasfilm movies like Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark in the U.S., and he seemed genuinely perplexed. They all knew the product the were selling was unauthorized; whenever they got a tip that the "copyright cops" were going to raid them, they just didn't open their doors that day. But they really didn't seem to realize just how sophisticated the video piracy industry in Asia really was.
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You seem confused. It was a regular store according to their norms.
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The problem for companies like Disney is that different markets need different pricing. While an American might pay $30 for a movie, A Russian might only pay $3 for it.
If they make the discs available in Russia for 1/10th the price, people will try to export them. They tried to limit that with region locking. Internet services have the same problem. You can get YouTube Premium for 1/10th the price by setting your location to Brazil before signing up.
Thing is, if Disney doesn't even want to be in the Vietnam
LOL they just now noticed? (Score:2)
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I suspect that online piracy has somewhat diminished its pirate DVD/Blu-ray sales by now.
Disney said put all of them in the basic package o (Score:2)
Disney said put all of them in the basic package or have none of our channels
Vietnam's concern is there won't be a legit market (Score:2)
Communist Party of Vietnam (Score:1)
How is there piracy when all property is held jointly by the People?
Is NatGeo still CIA official cover or did that end with the magazine and all the foreign travel?
Personally I will always be grateful for learning that the great photos were often one in a thousand. It substantially changed how I approached photography back in the days of film, from Velvia 50 to T-Max 3200.
That hobby was about as expensive as one kid!
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Communism respects nothing except the communist assholes running the system. "Learn the difference", yeah right comrade.
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What "system"? Communism is a classless, stateless society, there is no "system".
Anyone claiming to have "communism" when, for instance, countries still exist, is either lying or mistaken. You're probably thinking of countries like the USSR. Those are capitalist, specifically, state capitalist. The state takes all the capital. Russia was a feudal society beforehand, and any good socialist knows that capitalism comes after feudalism.
The idea that the USSR was actually communist, rather than just being run by
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Get your 50 cents for that nonsense?
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How is there piracy when all property is held jointly by the People?
This joke hasn't aged well. These days, Vietnam is about as communist as China. In other words, monopolistic capitalism disguised as communism.
Disney has sovereign government powers (Score:3)
Disney has the most advanced legal team in the world, and is reputed to have several strategic nuclear devices. Does this mean...war?
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Disney ... is reputed to have several strategic nuclear devices.
Disney has Jedi knights. The Force is more powerful than any weapon, according to someone called Sheev Palpatine (or was it a Darth Vader saying?)
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Disney ... is reputed to have several strategic nuclear devices.
Disney has Jedi knights. The Force is more powerful than any weapon, according to someone called Sheev Palpatine (or was it a Darth Vader saying?)
Last time there was trouble in this area, this was a country that defeated the world's most powerful military. But if Vader is still CEO after the fight with DeSantis, that could do it.
Concern (Score:2)
Whenever a government, especially an authoritarian one, is concerned about something you have to be careful. What's the real story and play here?