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Roald Dahl eBooks Reportedly Censored Remotely (thetimes.co.uk) 244

"Owners of Roald Dahl ebooks are having their libraries automatically updated with the new censored versions containing hundreds of changes to language related to weight, mental health, violence, gender and race," reports the British newspaper the Times. Readers who bought electronic versions of the writer's books, such as Matilda and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, before the controversial updates have discovered their copies have now been changed.

Puffin Books, the company which publishes Dahl novels, updated the electronic novels, in which Augustus Gloop is no longer described as fat or Mrs Twit as fearfully ugly, on devices such as the Amazon Kindle. Dahl's biographer Matthew Dennison last night accused the publisher of "strong-arming readers into accepting a new orthodoxy in which Dahl himself has played no part."

Meanwhile...
  • Children's book author Frank Cottrell-Boyce admits in the Guardian that "as a child I disliked Dahl intensely. I felt that his snobbery was directed at people like me and that his addiction to revenge was not good. But that was fine — I just moved along."

But Cottrell-Boyce's larger point is "The key to reading for pleasure is having a choice about what you read" — and that childhood readers faces greater threats. "The outgoing children's laureate Cressida Cowell has spent the last few years fighting for her Life-changing Libraries campaign. It's making a huge difference but it would have a been a lot easier if our media showed a fraction of the interest they showed in Roald Dahl's vocabulary in our children."


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Roald Dahl eBooks Reportedly Censored Remotely

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  • by Press2ToContinue ( 2424598 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @11:36AM (#63341927)

    They removed “fat,” “ugly,” “crazy” and “female” — by "sensitivity experts." They also alter references to gender, race and physical appearance in newer editions.
    Non-paywalled link:
    https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/... [nypost.com]

    • It has to stop.

      There has to be a way to stop these people.

      • It has to stop. There has to be a way to stop these people.

        Stop voting for people who support this. Make candidates announce their stand on these and other "woke" issues. Don't vote for candidates that support this "feels good" nonsense.

        • Don't vote for candidates ...

          Voters are going to put jobs, tough on crime, jobs and 'national security' way before culture wars, come time to vote.

          It has to stop.

          It was Ghandi who recognised that language included stereotypes and therefore controlled one's way of thinking. (See the post [slashdot.org] on Dahl's re-write.) This revisionism is mentioned in 1984: As an attempt to eliminate bad thoughts. It's great that fat-shaming and slut-shaming is discouraged but censorship is a slippery slope. 'Politically correct' and 'think of the children' become an excuse

        • It has to stop. There has to be a way to stop these people.

          Stop voting for people who support this. Make candidates announce their stand on these and other "woke" issues. Don't vote for candidates that support this "feels good" nonsense.

          Ideologues of all kinds and beliefs should just stop regulating what other people read. How is this any different from MAGA conservatives religious zealots banning and burning books because there's stuff in them that hurts their fee-fees?

      • There has to be a way to stop these people.

        Stop buying things you don't actually own. This is hardly a phenomenon exclusive to ebooks. iTunes has replaced purchased songs with different recordings, and changing things after you've bought them is called "business as usual" in the gaming and mobile app spheres.

        It's become a case of "old man yells at cloud" (literally), because if it's in the cloud - you don't own it.

      • Ah, the glories of the digital revolution. Why burn books when you can just edit them retroactively?

      • My idea (Score:5, Insightful)

        by kackle ( 910159 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:16PM (#63342803)
        A change to copyright law: For any work that is widely released, it must be made as available as any derivative versions that are created by the copyright holder. Otherwise, the original work is automatically placed in the public domain.

        Example: If the copyright holder modifies "Star Wars", the original must also be purchasable/viewable at the same price, etc. That way, history is not erased for feelings or profit, and the copyright holder can still modify what he/she wants in the future.
    • How long do you think we have, before they force us to start using Newspeak? I mean, we already have the Junior Anti-sex League (Republican party), and the Ministry of Truth (DHS, Disinformation Governance Board). Fck, are people here that blind?
  • by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @11:38AM (#63341929)
    But sadly it's real.
  • For his Oompa Loompa songs in Tim Burton's 2005 movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Danny Elfman himself trimmed down Roald Dahl's original lyrics [destinyland.org].
    • by reanjr ( 588767 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @11:54AM (#63341965) Homepage

      Adapting a work to a new medium isn't quite the same as altering the original unilaterally. I'd be pissed if books I purchased were updated to versions I don't want.

    • by thomst ( 1640045 )

      destinyland noted:

      For his Oompa Loompa songs in Tim Burton's 2005 movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Danny Elfman himself trimmed down Roald Dahl's original lyrics [destinyland.org].

      Of course he did, Dave. If he'd've incorporated all the original lyrics, the song would've been five minutes long - six, with tuba solo. It would've brought the movie to a screeching, grinding, clattering halt for no defensible reason.

      It's the same reason Peter Jackson chose to leave the Tom Bombadil song (and Tom Bombadil himself) out of The Fellowship of the Ring movie ...

    • by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite ( 721679 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:25PM (#63342047)

      For his Oompa Loompa songs in Tim Burton's 2005 movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Danny Elfman himself trimmed down Roald Dahl's original lyrics [destinyland.org].

      Dahl himself made changes to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      Dahl's widow said that Charlie was originally written as "a little black boy." Dahl's biographer said the change to a white character was driven by Dahl's agent, who thought a black Charlie would not appeal to readers.

      In the first published edition, the Oompa-Loompas were described as African pygmies, and were drawn this way in the original printed edition. After the announcement of a film adaptation sparked a statement from the NAACP, which expressed concern that the transportation of Oompa-Loompas to Wonka's factory resembled slavery, Dahl found himself sympathising with their concerns and published a revised edition. In this edition, as well as the subsequent sequel, the Oompa-Loompas were drawn as being white and appearing similar to hippies, and the references to Africa were deleted.

  • A change in tactic (Score:5, Insightful)

    by willoughby ( 1367773 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @11:50AM (#63341961)

    Instead of burning books all one need do is "edit" them. Now *that's* progress!

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:04PM (#63341991)

      So cute that they're saying they're backtracking except they're not backtracking at all. Lying scum.

      But The Roald Dahl Story Company told The Associated Press that it worked with Puffin to review the books out of a desire to ensure "Dahl's wonderful stories and characters continue to be enjoyed by all children today." The company said it worked with Inclusive Minds, an organization that works for inclusivity in children's books. Changes were "small and carefully considered," the company told the AP. —Changes to new editions of Roald Dahl books have readers up in arms [npr.org]

      Emphasis added. Notice the downplaying and the contravening of the late author's explicit wishes.

      There's a bunch of people that make it their life goal to change other people's language for them, to "be more inclusive". Notice that "inclusive" got a make-over as well. Not the first time words get redefined to serve an ideological purpose. [newdiscourses.com]

      Meanwhile, James [yahoo.com] Bond [rollingstone.com] is next. [insider.com]

      • Fine. Then tell me about those changes. Hey, maybe some parents will actually go "yes, that's sensible".

        But changing a book behind my back is a surefire way to have me resist that change on principle.

    • Yeah, say this or that about the changed content, but the shocking thing here is there's a device called Kindle, which actually obeys commands to remotely censor and burn parts of books, changing them without user consent.

      https://slate.com/technology/2... [slate.com]

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Really? That's the best (and only) joke anyone could come up with for this ripe story?

      But editing paper books is much more tedious that the ebooks. For example, one method is to cut out the target page close to the binding and glue in a replacement page...

    • Is there a difference between a publisher doing this for their own reasons, and doing it to get past government filters - making a Florida edition?

  • by bjoast ( 1310293 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @11:58AM (#63341981)
    Since most often you don't have control of the actual data when you use online services, because you never receive the actual files, censorship and arbitrary changes to "your" products, based only on current trends is inevitable. Don't use streaming services, don't use e-book services. If you can't get the actual mp4s or epubs, don't pay for it.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's not the first time it's happened. Early in the Kindle's life, Amazon deleted Nineteen Eighty Four from people's devices because they lost the rights to it. There have been numerous incidents of music libraries being wiped out by services where people "bought" the songs closing down.

      And yet still people carry on paying for this stuff. They will never learn. We need to find some other way to fight it.

  • by at10u8 ( 179705 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:08PM (#63341997)
    Bradbury predicted this editing of history with his video walls.
    • But look at the bright side, we don't have to burn books anymore, we can make them "agreeable" now. Just remove all the non-agreeable parts.

    • Don't forget Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut,Jr.

      "THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better-looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General."
  • by Somervillain ( 4719341 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:10PM (#63342001)
    As stupid as these edits are, this is a contact issue, not a censorship issue. You bought an eBook. Either you agreed to allow them to remotely edit your purchase based on some presumably unreadable contract...or you didn't in which you're entitled to a refund or some form of legal recourse. I am not a fan of altering old literature to suit modern tastes unless you explicitly state it is a revised edition. I find it tacky and tasteless, generally, but this is still a contracts issue. Either they had the legal right or they don't.

    Also, this isn't censorship. No one forced his estate to do this. They just wanted to make edits they thought would make his work endure longer. You're welcome to disagree, but this isn't a culture war, cancel culture, political correctness run amok, or anything else.

    Someone with a vested business interest in widening his audience is attempting to make his work more palatable to what they perceive as today's sensitivities. If you're posting on Slashdot, you're a bit too old to be reading children's books anyway, so you're not the target audience...in fact, I'll wager slashdot readers skew pretty old...and your kids are beyond the age they should be reading these books either.

    So unless you are a kid or have kids the age that should be reading this, sorry, you're not the target audience. Your opinion on the subject is about as relevant as mine on tampons.
    • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:44PM (#63342089)

      There is a fun bit in our contractual laws here. It's a part about "disproportionate and unexpected clauses". In essence, what it says is that if you have clauses in your contract that the average, normal person would not expect to be there (like, say, this one), you have to explicitly have them sign off that clause in particular or it's void.

      Yes, there are already verdicts around this. This actually DOES hold up in court. Unless that contract says in easily understandable language "we change the books if we so please, sign here to accept this", you can shove that changes where the sun doesn't shine and where they belong.

      • There is a fun bit in our contractual laws here. It's a part about "disproportionate and unexpected clauses".

        Can I start by stressing that I don't disbelieve you, I'd just like a few more details:

        - Where is "here"? From your last line I suspect you mean the USA but please remember that Slashdot has an international audience so it is helpful to make this sort of thing clearer.
        - Can you provide a link to the actual statute you are referring to? "In essence" is helpful, but sometimes one needs to dig into the details.
        - Similarly, can you link to any judgements which uphold this concept, particularly where the

        • The sig is very old now, I'm no longer in the US. Austria is my current base of operation.

          The rule in question is about the "Allgemeine Geschäftsbedingungen" (general terms and conditions), which are essentially click-through contracts like the one you usually sign when buying something like ebooks or other fungible goods (opposite to individual contracts that you usually have between two partners who negotiate a deal about a particular, usually non-fungible, good or service). Contracts like this are n

      • I've seen a whole narrator change because of publishing rights, The Martian by Podium Audio.

        But this is the hill folks want to die on, a publisher making some minor edits.

        Not saying I like it, I wish we had access to different editions, but you all keep tilting at those giants, and good luck with that.

        • But this is the hill folks want to die on, a publisher making some minor edits.

          Minor is in the eye of the beholder.

          But they always start out with something "minor", to establish the precedent, then move on. If you wait until it gets to something major enough to burn you, you have to overthrow a mass of established practice. So you have to pull the weed when it first sprouts.

          (It's the same old salami-slicer, similar to how censorship starts: First they go after something disgusting like kiddie porn - and

    • I see.
      So, when your family/friends are killed, that is murder. When it is someone else that do not approve of, you consider that cleansing of society.

      You you/your far left extremists/etc are simply the other side of the coin with Trumpers/DeSantis/fascist.
  • 1984? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PuddleBoy ( 544111 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:10PM (#63342005)

    Wasn't there a book about a time when 'facts' would be released to the public, only to be changed the next day to suit the whim of those in power? To reflect a pseudo-reality that aligned with the prevalent belief system pushed by a few?

    What was the name of that book again? It's on the tip of my tongue...

    • Re:1984? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Bodhammer ( 559311 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:52PM (#63342121)
      "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day be day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except the endless present in which the party is always right."

      --George Orwell "1984" (June, 1949)
    • Oh boy, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory isn't a history book sweetie, it's fiction. So is Matilda. Maybe your mom should tell you the rest.

  • by test321 ( 8891681 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:11PM (#63342007)

    We need to distinguish two kinds of work:
    * humankind art that is here to stay without changing a comma;
    * functional texts like constitutions, engineering books, encyclopedias, children books, that are updated to reflect current knowledge and current views.

    Modern Disney adaptation of Snow White and Rapunzel to remove gruesome happenings is something well known and accepted. What is shocking here is they changed it without telling anyone, and that they dared to remotely change books already purchased. Rewriting old books in newspeak is literally 1984-level horror tale.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      Disney's adaptation of eg. Snow White is a new version sold as its own version; they don't go back and change all versions of Snow White ever published to make them fit their own version.

  • Authors take note (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:24PM (#63342039)

    After the author is dead, the "estate" will do anything including changing the written word if it means more money for them. Time for authors to start thinking about talking to a lawyer to put down exactly what an estate may or may not do. Maybe put some teeth into the legalese too, e.g. texts instantly enter the public domain if they are purposefully modified in any way.

  • We are there, the clerc win !

  • Paper wins again (Score:5, Insightful)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:26PM (#63342049)

    This is one of many reasons paper books are superior to digital. You never have to worry about the book changing because of someone else's whim when you own a physical copy. The original words of the author remain untouched in perpetuity, unless the book itself is destroyed, or when the Earth is eventually charred to a cinder.

  • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:04PM (#63342163)

    What happened to the good old "fuck you, I do what I want to!" computer culture of the early 2000s where the second thing one studied after the most basic computer use was piracy?

    It is inevitable that authority seeks to fuck the people who should not have a flicker of regret returning the favor.

    The modern Left are as censorious as the Right because most people are idiots and that will never be different. Disregard what either want you to do, hate them (they merit no respect because the sole reason they want respect is to rule you by tantrum) then do what you wilt.

  • I found Dhalgren recommended on an all-time-best scifi list and found it very X-rated. You are going to have a hard time censoring my print version of it. Part of the setting of the story is civilization collapse. The story painted a rather tame post-collapse society, but still, all rules are gone after that collapse. This is the type of book people either love or hate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
  • The New York Times column dismissed it as "small insignificant changes" and does not understand the outrage. But where does it end? What if internet providers would start filtering some words, what if reading devices or smartphones automatically would start altering text? It is a matter of trust. There should be zero tolerance to that.
  • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:26PM (#63342221)

    The obvious way to perpetuate wokeaganda is to make literature a constantly evolving social conditioning tool ever more difficult for normies to archive conveniently.

    DRM and editing WILL be increasingly employed to this end.

  • With the Digital era, history gets rewritten every time the modern sensibilities need to "correct" the past, rather than preserve the past as a comparison and learning tool.

    Remember, when you buy something digital, you never truly own it, and your access to it depends on a boardroom's permission.

    Buy physical media for everything you hold dear.
  • The old dictionaries in the house - I better not throw those out.
  • Trying to extend censorship across both time and space, disfiguring the legacies of people who can't defend themselves.
  • by pruss ( 246395 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:35PM (#63342253) Homepage

    In the family, we keep our e-ink Kindles offline, and install books only via USB (Amazon has made it a little more complicated to do that over time, but it can still be done). It's a bit less convenient, but it guarantees that nothing gets changed, and battery life is presumably even better.

    I am not a lawyer, but I do wonder about the legality of changing files on someone else's device. I don't see anything in the Kindle Store Terms of Use ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/help... [amazon.com] ) that one agrees to allow Amazon to change files stored on one's device. I expect somewhere there is some agreement to system updates, but this is not a system update.

  • Why is there no link to the Times story being quoted?

    I did a Google News search and the only matching phrase for the text quoted is here on Slashdot.

    Anyone fact-checking these things?

  • I'm amazed they did this silently because I'm sure they could've sold the revised books again, and sell even more copies of the original versions. I'm not sure who they're trying to please here but it sure isn't their customers.

  • The owners of the property are doing it. This is them changing the book themselves because we stopped teaching critical thinking in schools and we stopped teaching context in schools and so they don't want to deal with the fallout of having various bits of content to the child doesn't have any guidance on understanding.

    They're not doing that out of the goodness of their heart by the way they're doing it because it makes the books more marketable. It's capitalism. Y'all like capitalism right?
  • "Inclusive language" doesn't help anybody, except those who feel better by berating others. The ministers of susceptibility could very well write their own books, better than Dahl's, using all the words they like, and this way they would give their contribution to mankind; but no: all they can do is telling those who actually managed to write something that they are "wrong" and need to be corrected. And if you don't agree with them, it doesn't matter, they know better and everyone else needs to have his boo
  • by TigerPlish ( 174064 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:27PM (#63342413)

    While I do have an ipad stuffed full of sheetmusic and harry potter and manga and other books, I still have a paranoia.. about the publisher changing the material. I've had that paranoia since 2012, when Amazon yanked 1984 from Kindles. That was down to a licensing thing with a publisher. But at that time I thought "What if the publisher decides to change the content?"

    And now it's happened.

    If they want to change my paper books, they have to come into my house.

    Guys.. we are living 1984. And the sad part is a lot of you are cheering it on.

    It was a warning.. not a guidebook!

    With this event, plus the Seuss cleansing from his publisher, and Fleming's.. we've arrived at a very dark time in our history.

    We are now in an Orwellian, socialist world, us here in the US and I suppose UK and most of Europe.

    This must be stopped, by any and all means. And I do mean that. Not just the censoring -- all of it.

    I may read the thread later, but this I had to get off my chest.

    We really *are* boned.

    • Speaking of Amazon, books, modifications, and Orwell, https://www.nytimes.com/2009/0... [nytimes.com]

    • We are now in an Orwellian, socialist world, us here in the US and I suppose UK and most of Europe.

      Today I learned that billion dollar businesses are "socialist". Huh.

      • by TigerPlish ( 174064 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @03:22PM (#63342575)

        Today you learned that corporations in cahoots with government IS faciscm, good, wholesome, Il-Duce levels of Facismo.

        Government is using the Corporate world to control your.. our.. world. And the reverse is true, too. Corporate using Government, to control our world. The wheel keeps turning.

        That's what Orwell was foretelling. He WAS a socialist, then saw the light, and wrote 1984 as a warning. He knew it'd get here. It's a little different, the timing's off a bit, but essentially -- and I'm paraphrasing -- "every book has been re-written, every painting re-painted, every bit of history re-written"

        Put in a different perspective from a different storyteller, we're *THIS* close to Buy N' Large.

        Tell me when you think the water's hot 'nuff to warrant jumping out of the pot. I did some time ago. Some of you still think the water's fine. Ooookay. Your funeral.

        • No this is inane.

          I have known for ages that corporations are in cahoots with the government. The only way it involves any petty culture war bullshit is because it's a useful distraction when you chicken little about that rather than the important stuff. This is no conspiracy but there are people who think it's useful.

          But sure keep bleating about the red menace while the capitalist robber barons tighten their grip.

  • We now have automatic revisionist history.

  • by organgtool ( 966989 ) on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:52PM (#63342481)
    This situation was clearly manufactured to profit from the intense tribalism we're currently perpetuating. If the publisher was concerned with removing offensive terms, then they wouldn't also be printing new copies with those terms in them and selling it under the label "classic version". This is just taking the stale works of a long-dead author, manufacturing a crisis around the books, and then profiting on sales of the new version by woke people and sales of the "classic" version by anti-woke people. The folks at Disney are probably angry at themselves for not thinking of this first since this will probably be far more successful than their own manufactured crisis known as the "Disney Vault". The best way to fight this nonsense isn't to play into the madness and buy the copy of the book that suits your political sensibilities. Instead, the best way to fight this is to forget that these works ever existed.
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  • “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

    Looks like any literature that offends our leaders' sensibilities may end up down the memory hole, to be replaced by their inept, banal scrawlings.

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