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Lawsuit Accuses Troubled Crypto Lender Celsius Network of Fraud (reuters.com) 32

A former investment manager at Celsius Network sued the crypto lender on Thursday, saying it used customer deposits to rig the price of its own crypto token and failed to properly hedge risk, causing it to freeze customer assets. From a report: The complaint said Celsius ran a Ponzi scheme to benefit itself through "gross mismanagement of customer deposits," and defrauded the plaintiff KeyFi Inc, run by the former manager Jason Stone, into providing services worth millions of dollars and refusing to pay for them.
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Lawsuit Accuses Troubled Crypto Lender Celsius Network of Fraud

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  • Shocked! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by splutty ( 43475 ) on Friday July 08, 2022 @10:46AM (#62684288)

    I am shocked! Beyond belief! Shocked I tell you!

  • Once they started limiting withdraws outside their original terms, they went well into 'prey I do not alter it further' territory. Whatever the 'intents' were trusting any of these people with anything of value should be a non-starter at this point for anybody with sense.

  • Crypto-currency with nothing backing it, not unlike the American dollar, except the dollar has Uncle Sam backing it. But lending money that is like Monopoly game money, only electronic bits--so suing for fraud seems like calling fertilizer smells like excrement. ??

    Celsius could settle for so much Bitcoin...

    JoshK.

    • by clovis ( 4684 )

      Crypto-currency with nothing backing it, not unlike the American dollar, except the dollar has Uncle Sam backing it. But lending money that is like Monopoly game money, only electronic bits--so suing for fraud seems like calling fertilizer smells like excrement. ??

      Celsius could settle for so much Bitcoin...

      JoshK.

      How can you say there's nothing backing this? What about all those NFT's?
      Surely they're worth something.
      Turtles?

    • by rgmoore ( 133276 )

      the dollar has Uncle Sam backing it.

      Which is far from nothing. People are required to pay their taxes in US dollars, which creates a market for them. The US government also has a 200+ year record of paying its debts, which helps to convince people it's worth using.

      • Exactly my point. Fiat money since Nixon took the USA off the gold standard, but US backing it.

        JoshK.

  • by The Evil Atheist ( 2484676 ) on Friday July 08, 2022 @11:14AM (#62684398)
    They knew what they were getting into.

    I say: let 'em crash!
  • Funny thing is that they are suing Celsius, not Alex Mashinsky (Celsius founder), so all Celsius has to do as a company is take a bit more of that sweet customer crypto to pay for any damages awarded by the lawsuit. And that's why banks are regulated.
  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Friday July 08, 2022 @11:18AM (#62684424)

    The plaintiff didn't benefit from the scam and is a sore loser.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Pretty much. Although it seems this was a scam in top of a scam. Not that it really matters.

      • Oh yeah. Cryptocurrencies are a whole ecosystem of scams. Just loko at NFTs.

        In fact, I'm almost certain the more there are, the more the whole affair looks legit to potential suckers: to them, it's looks quite unlikely that an entire industry can exist solely on pure bullshit - especially a financial industry - and not be struck down by regulators at some point. And yet, it can and it does. It's quite incredible.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Well, yes. Until the regulators actually move in. They are slow to do that. They are generally slow. But the regulators will kill this stuff dead eventually. As I am doing some work as an auditor in some regulated industries, I have absolutely no doubt about that. All it probably needs is classifying crypto-exchanges as financial institutions (not banks), i.e. recognizing crapcoins as having some money-like characteristics. At that time they are screwed.

  • "The complaint said Celsius ran a Ponzi scheme to benefit itself"

    It would really be a shame if crypto became associated with a Ponzi scheme!

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      The complaint is that they ran a Ponzi scheme on top of a known Ponzi scheme.

      • It's Ponzi's all the way down!

      • So instead of risking their clients money in real crypto they just stole it directly for themselves? If the clients sue and get at least some of it back, they might actually be better off than if they had put it into a real crypto company.

  • Ahh another person who has no idea what a ponzi is.
    • Who, you?

      Because this is very much a Ponzi scheme - take in new investment money in order to pay out existing investors. And when there aren't new investors, the last ones in get fucked.

  • As a customer. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by CoolCash ( 528004 )
    Of course all the anti-crypo noobs here will "weigh in" on their options. But as someone who actually has significant amount of crypto in Celsius, I can say it's not a ponzi. This is a very complex issue of over collateralization, few checks an balances and general mismanagement. I am confident users will be getting something back. The community has pulled together and has done a lot of research. Below is a link of about 1.5 billion worth of crypto that Celsius controls. Celsius has been actively working to
  • 1) Invest in crypto.
    2) Lose your ass.
    3) Sue to get a small fraction of your money back.

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