Cell Phone Pings Lead Investigators to Buried Bodies (cnn.com) 61
Slashdot reader rufey writes: Earlier this month, the bodies of two children were discovered buried in the backyard of Chad Daybell, the current husband of the childrens' mother, Lori. In the recently released probable cause document released this week, it was revealed that location data obtained from cell phone GPS and tower pings from persons of interest played a large role in both identifying who was probably involved, and at what times that activity occurred. The location accuracy was apparently sufficient enough to identify two areas of interest in the large backyard...
More information about the case of Lori Daybell's two children can be found here.
More information about the case of Lori Daybell's two children can be found here.
Stepladder (Score:2)
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Exactly and usually it's a low tech cadaver dog that discovers the bodies.
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The children disappeared before the guy married their mother, so he was never either their stepfather or their stepladder.
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stepfather /stepfäTHr/
noun
a man who is the husband or partner of one's mother after the divorce or separation of one's parents or the death of one's father.
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In law, sometimes it's important to be very precise. Even if it sounds awkward.
Requiescat in pace (Score:2)
Requiescat in pace [youtube.com]
How have I missed that group? Or that genre? (Score:2)
Requiescat in pace [youtube.com] [Nightwish's _Ghost Love Score_]
Thank you
Nightwish has been around for two decades and this is the first I've heard of them.
FanTAStic piece.
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Glad you enjoyed. They're a rather unique phenomenon in Metal... if Iron Maiden et al were "ambiguously Satanic", Nightwish is "ambiguously Theistic".
But the archetypes always work.
Another LDS Fringe Cultist (Score:1)
Looking at some of the articles about this guy, apparently he's with another of the Mormon sub-cults, like the loonies that took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. There seems to be something about a cult established by a convicted con man that attracts the mentally unstable, if only we could keep them all in Utah.
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Revelation 2:9
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The Mormons have no corner a market when it comes to crazies and cults. Religion in general all too often becomes a refuge to the narcissistic and insane. I have Facebook "friends" that remind me of this daily.
Re: Another LDS Fringe Cultist (Score:2)
Friends in Facebook is just another word for contacts.
Re: Another LDS Fringe Cultist (Score:2)
Re: Another LDS Fringe Cultist (Score:1)
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700 contacts, 0 real friends.
Facebook - it's social!
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No, not all, but a good percentage of them. Some are just deluded, and some are just stupid, and some have never had the opportunity to find out that there is an alternative.
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The Mormons have no corner a market when it comes to crazies and cults.
They have more than their fair share.
Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed lived thousands of years ago. Explicit evidence that they were conmen has been lost in the sands of time.
But Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard lived much more recently. Their cons, fabrications, and lies are a matter of public record.
Believing in ancient prophets may be delusional. Trusting in modern prophets, much more so.
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The Mormons have no corner a market when it comes to crazies and cults.
They have more than their fair share.
Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed lived thousands of years ago. Explicit evidence that they were conmen has been lost in the sands of time.
But Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard lived much more recently. Their cons, fabrications, and lies are a matter of public record.
Believing in ancient prophets may be delusional. Trusting in modern prophets, much more so.
Buddha...Explicit evidence that they were conmen has been lost in the sands of time.
That's just stupid and offensive, you're a fucking moron. All of it, up one side, and down the other.
Whatever that was lost to the sands of time, you don't have knowledge of it to characterize it. This is pure smear, and it reveals only your own dishonest dreams of being a conman.
When a living person is wearing simple robes, you don't know what they've hidden away for their children. Until after they die, and people inherit it. But if you think Siddhartha might have been establishing a hoard of wealth you'r
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Mormons don't believe in zombies (these people thought thier children were spiritual zombies) or limbo. These people were straight up crazy. It also didn't happen in Utah, it was in Idaho
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**SOME** Mormons don't believe in spiritual zombies, but there's a truly absurd variety of beliefs among the various sub-cults.
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Looking at some of the articles about this guy, apparently he's with another of the Mormon sub-cults, like the loonies that took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. There seems to be something about a cult established by a convicted con man that attracts the mentally unstable, if only we could keep them all in Utah.
Noooooo. I live in Utah, we don't want them here, either. NO THANK YOU, SIR.
Re: Another LDS Fringe Cultist (Score:1)
I blame the Cosby Show (Score:2)
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That's actually originally from Cosby's 'Himself' album. The full quote is:
My father established our relationship when I was seven years old. He looked at me and said, "You know, I brought you in this world, and I can take you out. And it don't make no difference to me, I'll make another one look just like you."
The man may have been an asshole, but damn was he funny.
The mother and her lover? (Score:3)
Location surveillance (Score:5, Informative)
Story submitter here.
I've been following this case from the beginning, and it is truely a very strange one at that. I'll leave it to you to read how twisted this case really is.
What fascinated me the most is the technology they have been using in the case. The cell phone location data was a reminder to me that though you may not think about it, the device you always carry around in your pocket is constantly being used to record where you are and when.
I've read other stories in the past few years about LE using these types of tools to determine the list of people who are in a specific area at a specific time when a crime was committed, then culling through that list to look for persons of interest.
Couldn't do any of this 30 years ago.....
Re:Location surveillance (Score:5, Insightful)
Universal surveillance, which is where we seem to be headed, has some tremendous advantages along with tremendous disadvantages. It will become impossible to get away with a wide variety of crimes, but it give the government terrifying power.
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People who have access to that data have the power. It is the police who have direct access to the data and have most power. Any other part of the government must go through the police to access the data, thus police are the critical link in any abuse of power in the Surveillance State.
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Keep in mind who has the primary access to the data; the telecom conglomerates. Unlike law enforcement they don't actually need a reason to look at the data, it's their property and except for their self-imposed privacy restrictions they can do whatever they want with that information. Do you read the privacy agreement when you sign up for an account, or any of the updates that they send when they make changes a couple times a year? I admit that I don't. (Don't lie, you don't either.)
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Actually, the impact on "getting away with it" rates will be minimal to non-existent for serious crimes. These got mostly solved before. The whole reporting on this is just a smoke-screen.
The problem is that this new tech makes it extremely cheap to solve minor crime (loitering, littering, petty vandalism), which should probably not be solved in the first place, because they provide an outlet for things that can get much more serious otherwise. And, and that is the massive problem, as soon as the tools are
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The problem we have seems to be that when the ones with authority get caught committing a crime, they get every possible benefit of the doubt. And a union to protect them. And prosecutors who seemingly purposefully do a mediocre job. (such as only charging a police officer who is seen committing an un-justified shooting with murder. )
And the president of the fucking country commits various bad acts of official corruption, gross misconduct, abuse of the public trust - tons of things that either are crimes
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Yes.
If the surveillance information is only available to people in power (as is very likely ) it will make this much worse.
Re:Location surveillance (Score:5, Insightful)
If you are burying bodies you should absolutely leave your cell phone at home.
Re:Location surveillance (Score:5, Insightful)
True, but you also need to be sure your car doesn't have a cell link (many do), and that you aren't passing any license plate or face recognition cameras.
Also, if you normally carry a cell phone, and on the day of a murder, that phone remains in your home rather than moving about, that is suspicious as well. If you are planning a murder, you need to be sure you frequently leave your phone at home while you go out, and frequently go for "scenic" drives to random locations in case your car is noticed.
also don't spend too long browsing posts like this one.
Re:Location surveillance (Score:5, Funny)
and frequently go for "scenic" drives to random locations in case your car is noticed.
This is why photographers, or people into photography, make great murderers. We're always going on scenic drives early in the morning or late in the evening to capture the best light at out of the way places.
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and frequently go for "scenic" drives to random locations in case your car is noticed.
This is why photographers, or people into photography, make great murderers. We're always going on scenic drives early in the morning or late in the evening to capture the best light at out of the way places.
But they so often seem to forget that they set photos to automatically upload to their Facebook page.
Thanks for sharing!
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In one Indian movie the murderer removes the cell phone from the victim and hides it in a long distance train. Thus completely misleading the police. In real life some one did exactly the same. The police traced the pings to the destination far away, then to some siding, then half way back before the battery died. Police concentrated on where the train got the phone, found the murderer and the bo
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Also, if you normally carry a cell phone, and on the day of a murder, that phone remains in your home rather than moving about, that is suspicious as well. If you are planning a murder, you need to be sure you frequently leave your phone at home while you go out, and frequently go for "scenic" drives to random locations in case your car is noticed.
Excellent, I forget my phone at home all the time! Then I am all set! Now, whom to murder...
also don't spend too long browsing posts like this one.
Damn. On the other hand, I still do not want to murder anybody. But it would have been nice to be prepared...
will apple unlock the phones if they are apple one (Score:1)
will apple unlock the phones if they are apple ones?
If not then the FBI can make it seem like apple is ok with CHILD CRIMES!
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And you want to give this alleged administration and the toadies they put into FBI unlimited power to unlock phones? And it won't be limited to the FBI, every intelligence service in the world will be going through those doors.
The imperfect crime (Score:1)
Re:The imperfect crime (Score:5, Interesting)
There is a screenshot of a supposed conversation wherein the question is asked, if you had to bury a body, how would you do it?
Someone answered that ever since they were young, they considered contacting police anonymously (how is that done nowadays?) and saying they thought a body is buried at some location. The police show up, dig up the soil and of course find nothing.
After the police leave, the guy would go back and bury the body there. The soil was already disturbed so no one would think anything of it, and the police wouldn't consider going back to a place they already searched and found nothing.
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A tickle in my brains says that this was in a mystery I read a long time ago.
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Minority Report has a similar plot.
One was a Columbo episode. (Score:3)
A tickle in my brains says that this was in a mystery I read a long time ago.
One episode of Columbo used this plot.
(The bad guy was building a skyscraper and kept doing things to get Columbo to have the department dig up the basement to find the body. Won't tell you the rest in case you want to watch it some day.)
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When Jimmy Hoffa disappeared everyone in South Chicago stopped eating sausage for a week (according to a friend who grew up there).
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Deep lakes would be good if you fished regularly.
Sooo (Score:2)
Do not carry your cellphone when you bury the bodies and do not bury the bodies in your backyard?
Also, this is basically a non-story. Buried bodies are routinely found with ground-penetrating-radar. It is just a bit more expensive to do, but not prohibitively so.
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I have the impression from the story that they only got probable cause warrant to search because of the cell phone pings. Cops cannot use ground penetrating radar to find anything if they don't have permission to search.
I have a very strong impression that this is exactly what they wanted to imply, but not at all what happened.
Just usual (Score:2)