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Fitbit Wants To Help Corporations Track Employee Health 206

jfruh writes: Fitbit is pitching its iconic fitness trackers to businesses as a tool to save money on health care costs. Many companies have wellness programs to encourage workers to exercise more, and Fitbit will help employers quantify (and monitor) employee progress. “We think virtually every company will incorporate fitness trackers into their corporate wellness programs,” Fitbit CFO Bill Zerella said
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Fitbit Wants To Help Corporations Track Employee Health

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Lord help us all!
    • I bet employees at Konami WISH they only had to deal with Big Brother.

    • Anything for a buck - especially with that Apple iWatch thingy out as potential competition, eh?

    • Re:Is it 1984 yet? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @02:52PM (#50303763) Homepage Journal
      Yep...'cause if you have to wear these things, they'll likely be getting GPS information on you after you leave work.

      Oops, PHil...appears you've been regularly stopping off at bar on the way home, that's gonna be a bit of a risk to us for your health ins....

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Just my thought. Of course, we are more comfortably tracked than by televisor and the invariable economic collapse of any totalitarian society has not progressed as far, but the direction is pretty clear.

    • by Daetrin ( 576516 )
      That old quip needs a little reworking:

      "We're from the Corporation and we're here to help."
  • Great idea! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @02:30PM (#50303499)

    Maybe they can come monitor my food when I'm at home or out about town, too?

    And maybe they can monitor when I wake and sleep.

    And maybe monitor what kind of air I breath in my part of town.

    And maybe they can just get a direct pipe into all my medical records? I mean, since apparently we give no fucks anymore, right?

    I have a better idea: You hire me to do a fucking job and I'll do the fucking job and we'll leave our involvement with each other right fucking there.

    • by NotDrWho ( 3543773 ) on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @02:34PM (#50303555)

      I'll willingly give them a stool sample if they like.

    • Re:Great idea! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @02:40PM (#50303617) Homepage

      Maybe they can come monitor my food when I'm at home or out about town, too?

      And maybe they can monitor when I wake and sleep.

      And maybe monitor what kind of air I breath in my part of town.

      And maybe they can just get a direct pipe into all my medical records? I mean, since apparently we give no fucks anymore, right?

      I have a better idea: You hire me to do a fucking job and I'll do the fucking job and we'll leave our involvement with each other right fucking there.

      "They know when you've been sleeping,
      They know when you're awake,
      They know when you've been bad or good,
      So be good for goodness sake."

      And who says childhood never ends?

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      What you have to consider is that the company is trying to monitor and control your behaviour at work anyway. Unchecked they want you to be constantly busy, concentrating on tasks and giving 100% output 8 hours a day 5 days a week. There is pressure to over-work and ignore your own health needs for the benefit of the company. If your boss is failing they may try to simply crack the whip a little more and force you to work harder.

      This kind of health monitoring can counter-balance that. The same boss that wan

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by jxander ( 2605655 )

      Your logical fallacy is strawman.

      No one ever said anything about tracking you at home, or while away from the office. Meanwhile, study [cnn.com] after study [www.cbc.ca] after study [washingtonpost.com] continually show that sitting all day, per the office drone norms, is terrible for you.

      Wearing a little watch-sized gizmo that tells you to get up and stretch your legs every few hours is hardly the most Orwellian oversight I can imagine. And really, the company has entirely pragmatic reasons for the idea, beyond BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING. Simply put:

  • Old New (Score:4, Informative)

    by swv3752 ( 187722 ) <swv3752&hotmail,com> on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @02:32PM (#50303523) Homepage Journal

    Old news, my company started it last year. It is an optional program, but you are necouraged as you get a free fitbit, and money if you hit certain goals.

    • by thaylin ( 555395 )

      may I need that option where I work. I already have a fitbit, but the goals would be cake.

      • may I need that option where I work. I already have a fitbit, but the goals would be cake.

        I think maybe you have the UNfitbit if the goals are cake.

  • but where is the diet and eating habits programs?

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @02:44PM (#50303667)

    I work for the University of Washington (so I'm a state employee), and starting with 2015 our health plan has included a "wellness incentive" which, if met, drops $125 off an employee's annual deductible. For this current year, it was a simple matter of making a couple attestations ("I don't smoke", "I exercise at least 3 days a week"). For 2016, though, it's gotten a bit more intrusive - one of the ways you can earn points towards the incentive is to record daily step counts and exceed 35000 steps per week, which you could either do manually or by giving the website access to your FitBit data (it also supported several other trackers). Other ways to earn points included "Try Tai Chi", "Fill out an Advance Directive", "See a Mentor", "No Stress Mondays", and so on.

    Given the move Washington State has made towards both intrusiveness and nanny-state-dom, and given that by state law pretty much all our job-related data is public record, I would not be surprised if at some point people who gave permission to access their fitness trackers to find that someone in the monitoring chain started checking when activity is occurring. This could be a problem for someone if, like me, they often don't get a conventional lunch hour due to job duties. I'm often eating after 1pm (or even after 2pm) simply because it works better with tasks I'm doing - so when I go for my lunchtime walk, it's not usually between 12 and 1. Fortunately I'm not naive enough to give them access to my Garmin Viviosmart data, but a less paranoid person could end up with a nasty surprise come annual evaluation time.

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      "No Stress Mondays"

      So if I send them a picture of me with a bong, binge-watching TV on Monday they'll give me a discount??

      • That would be pretty hilarious - and as far as I know, as long as you attested that lowered your stress it would work!

        • it's washington, and pot is legal there. we all know it cures everything and is the healthiest activity you can engage in. so. GO FOR IT!
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      How do they handle people with disabilities? Exercising 3 times a week (for most common definitions of exercise) and 35,000 steps would be impossible for me due to health problems. Is there a scheme for people like me to get that $125 bonus some other way? I'm always trying to improve my health but the goals seem incredibly minor to most people.

      • You need 2000 points total to get the annual incentive.

        I just went to the website (haven't been there since I met the requirements for next year) and looked. I don't see anything specific to people with disabilities; but there are enough nanny-state-ish activities that still earn points - "take a break from technology" (50 pts/wk), "healthy snacks" (25 pts/wk), "grow/harvest a garden" (100 pts/wk), "keep a journal of your thoughts" (25 pts/wk), "drink water" (50 pts/wk), "get your zzzz's" (50 pts/wk), and q

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Interesting, it might indeed be possible for someone like me to make it then, even with reduced options.

        • You need 2000 points total to get the annual incentive. ..."drink water" (50 pts/wk)

          There is talk of changing this one after one employee drank water every week for 40 weeks, then tried to go for three months straight without drinking any water.

    • by RogL ( 608926 )

      Simple solution for you: buy a metronome, fasten step-tracker to it, then turn on metronome.
      Occasionally stop the metronome to read the step-count, adjust the speed & time to hit your step-target.
      Repeat daily or weekly to hit your target, then share the data with your plan.
      Meanwhile you can watch TV, read a book, relax in a hot-tub, etc.

      If a metronome won't swing with tracker attached, perhaps a paint-shaker?
      Or build something with motorized Lego or Erector set.

      • Much more practical suggestion for /.ers.

        1. Put your step counter on your wrist.
        2. Fap.
        3. Profit.

        • "Mr Wumpus, according to your Fitbit, you apparently walked to Tierra del Feugo and back on your lunch break. Can you explain?"

  • I have a Fitbit (got it for free, I wouldn't actually pay for a high-tech step counter).

    I also work out on a treadmill every morning before work. It counts my steps very accurately (it can even tell if I "cheat", and stop counting).

    The Fitbit gives completely fictional numbers vs the treadmill. I mean, on most days, it would come to within 75% correct, but on one particular day, the Fitbit literally said I did 3x as many steps as I really did. I stopped even bothering to wear it after that.

    Privacy
    • by thaylin ( 555395 )

      which fitbit is it? I have the surge and it is very accurate, like within 1% of the treadmill or the mile makers on the track

      • by pla ( 258480 )
        The el-cheapo one (Flex, I guess?). Like I said, I got it for free. :)

        Still - Pedometers don't exactly count as high tech. A $75 toy should at least beat a $5 one.
    • by cdrudge ( 68377 )

      A coworker was notified of reaching some milestone for number of steps taken by her fitness tracker. It baffled her because she was at a family get together and definitely didn't take that many steps. Then she remembered she spent most of the time in a rocking chair that apparently counted the rocking as steps.

      • A coworker was notified of reaching some milestone for number of steps taken by her fitness tracker. It baffled her because she was at a family get together and definitely didn't take that many steps. Then she remembered she spent most of the time in a rocking chair that apparently counted the rocking as steps.

        I see a FitBit fooling device on it's way.... You need 10K steps today? Put it on this device for 2 hours....

    • where do we stand when I may literally pay more for my insurance than the guy at the next desk for no other reason than Fitbit's crappy quality control?

      At the plantiff's table as part of a class action lawsuit.

      But you'd be doing it wrong. Poor quality control means that you should be able to figure out how to errs and get unearned discounts.

    • by Cyberax ( 705495 )
      In my experience FitBit is quite precise (within 5% of the treadmill's values), I carry it in my pants pocket.
      • I carry one on my belt. It agrees pretty closely with expected results for known-distance walks (distance measured with a GPS tracker).

        Though it is possible to game the device - just tap it repeatedly, and it'll count the jolts as steps. Hardly worth the bother though, since it's easier to do the walking than to tap it 10000 times....

        • I carry one on my belt. It agrees pretty closely with expected results for known-distance walks (distance measured with a GPS tracker).

          Though it is possible to game the device - just tap it repeatedly, and it'll count the jolts as steps. Hardly worth the bother though, since it's easier to do the walking than to tap it 10000 times....

          ahh until you get a machine that will tap the device for you! Then you can sit there and read a book or play Duke Nukem Forever while the thing racks up the miles walked!

          • But I LIKE walking. I get in 5-10 miles a day routinely. It's the one thing I do that gets me away from this silly keyboard so I have time to really think....
    • The Fitbit gives completely fictional numbers vs the treadmill. I mean, on most days, it would come to within 75% correct, but on one particular day, the Fitbit literally said I did 3x as many steps as I really did. I stopped even bothering to wear it after that.

      I have a Fitbit One (clips on your waistband or goes in the pocket-watch pocket in jeans). My research online shows this is a much more accurate location than the wrist.

      When I used it on an elliptical for half an hour it was within 5 steps of the number of strides counted by the machine. Plus I don't look smug when I'm out in public for having a fitness wristband thing.

  • The day this happens is the day I pay my coworker to wear my bracelet. or give it to my seven year old. or leave it on the dryer during spin cycle.

    • by Bigbutt ( 65939 )

      The dryer is a spin cycle. No spin cycle is "hang it on the clothes line out back" :)

      [John]

    • Turn it on, mail it to a relative far away, and when they return it, let your company know that you ran over 1,000 miles in the last week.

  • Because HIPPA
    • HIPAA doesn't cover this at all. have you ever read that legislation? as an employee, you agree to allow your employer to see that data.

      • Wrong.

        The Privacy Rule does not prevent your supervisor, human resources worker or others from asking you for a doctorâ(TM)s note if your employer needs the information to administer sick leave, workersâ(TM) compensation, or health insurance.

        But I f your employer asks your health care provider directly for information about you (personal health information, or PHI), your provider can't disclose any information without your authorization.
  • “We think virtually every company will incorporate fitness trackers into their corporate wellness programs,” Fitbit CFO Bill Zerella said

    Yeah, well I think virtually everyone is going to buy my new, improved Pet Rock.

    Seriously, I wouldn't work for a company that required or even suggested that I wear their FitBit Corporate Monitoring Device.

  • My company distributed Fitbits to every employee. Was kind of worthless for me as my two main forms of exercise are cycling and weight lifting- neither were really tracked by the fitbit. I lost it after a few weeks. Fortunately, there was no actual monitoring of our use.
    • funny how the weightlifting arguably has more of a health benefit than any number of steps.

      Cycling though, would be a problem wouldn't it? as your total risk for requiring medical attention goes up due to accident risk? hmmmmm.

    • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

      My company distributed Fitbits to every employee. Was kind of worthless for me as my two main forms of exercise are cycling and weight lifting- neither were really tracked by the fitbit. I lost it after a few weeks. Fortunately, there was no actual monitoring of our use.

      Try wearing a fitbit when you are doing jui-jitsu, it's ridiculous. With three hours of fighting a night *5-6 days a week, fitness isn't the issue, avoiding injury is though.

      I probably not fitbit's core market

  • Garmin has already started down this path, although they have a lot of room for growth.

    Currently my company uses the vivofits as wellness programs where participation is optional. But so much participation is expected out of the employee to minimize health care costs. An employee can fudge what they do, take a bunch of tests and save about $100 a month on their health insurance. Otherwise they don't have to do much at all and pay the extra. Now there are ways to get out of the extra work, such as if your

  • Fit Bit fooling...

    All you need is a device designed to mimic "steps" that you put your FitBit on. Have it emulate walking, jogging or even sprinting. Then the employee wares this FitBit most of the day, except for the 2 hours when the "exercise" session takes place. I don't imagine that this device will be too expensive either, making the whole "I'm healthy so give me the bonus money" fiction worth the investment.

    Who's with me?

  • I predict the guy at Home Depot working the paint mixer will be a top performer.

  • Someone gave me a Jawbone (competitor to Fitbit) as a gift. I refuse to use it, because it an functionally opaque piece of garbage that requires that I sign up for an online service. This nearly always means that someone plans to sell my data.

    These punk-ass little toys would not survive my principal physical activity, which requires seawater immersion tolerance to at least 3 meters, and occasional water impacts at upwards of 40km/hr. The other is yoga, and I am not wearing any encumbrances during that

  • by TigerPlish ( 174064 ) on Wednesday August 12, 2015 @06:48PM (#50305551)

    We're headed that way. Commerce and government will become indistinguishable from each other.

    We have a (laughably ineffective) separation of Church and State.

    We desperately need to even more fiercely deploy and enforce a separation of Commerce and State. No more lobbying by religious groups. No more lobbying by commerce -- or proxies of, at least not on the positively obscene way it is being done today

    And by State I also include the federales.

  • Fitbit does *not* track employee health. It tracks employee behavior, specifically what it perceives to be employee physical exercise. It's quite a stretch to imply one equals the other.
  • Funny how Corporations have managed to do away with pensions, reduces pay amount, rarely pays for vacation days, sure as fuck doesn't want to pay for pregnancy leaves, and been raping it's employees to line it's shareholders & CEO's pockets and people just accept it. Now they want to keep track of your health, so they can pay less healthcare cost, which they hardly pay much of at all, unless you are of course a Congress critter.

    Think how worse it will be when the TPP crap goes thru and instead of Co

    • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

      Funny how Corporations have managed to do away with pensions, reduces pay amount, rarely pays for vacation days, sure as fuck doesn't want to pay for pregnancy leaves, and been raping it's employees to line it's shareholders & CEO's pockets and people just accept it. Now they want to keep track of your health, so they can pay less healthcare cost...

      ...while pumping your brain full of advertizing to eat more junk food, more fizzy sugar drinks and buy a new fucking car to sit in traffic and listen to more advertising to eat more junk food, more fizzy sugar drinks and buy a new fucking car. every minute every hour buybuybuybuybuy

      I think I might become a shrink because it sure as shit looks like we are going to need A lot of them!!!

  • I'll monitor my own fucking health, thankyouverymuch.
  • I do exercise, a lot. I fitbit wants to *help* my employer monitor my fitness, then my employer can pay my gym fees and give me time off *every_fucking_day* to work out.

  • I am contractant in a society where many staff people are doing a lot of sport. I do not much exercise and I am almost never on leave because of sickness (2 days in 20 years). There are many accidents in sports. Many sportiv people have to go to the doctor or to the kine often during the work time. There are most probably health benefits of doing exercise, but it is far from obvious that this gives any financial return for the employer. And when employees leave on retirement, they will most probably cost lo
  • WP's are largely a means by which 'health consultants' make money off corporations.
    And now FitBit is simply trying to get in on that action.

    Now there's a difference between actually caring about your employee's health, and just trying to save money.
    But let's be realistic: most companies are trying to save money by doing this.

    Multiple independent research studies (have shown that Wellness Programs don't work, and don't save companies any money, nor make them any additional revenue, and actually harm health i

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