Baseball Team Hacks Another Team's Networks, FBI Investigates 105
An anonymous reader writes: The St. Louis Cardinals have been one of the better baseball teams over the past several years. The Houston Astros have been one of the worst. Nevertheless, there is evidence that officials for the Cardinals broke into a network maintained by the Astros in order to gain access to "internal discussions about trades, proprietary statistics, and scouting reports." The FBI is now leading an investigation into the breach, and they have served subpoenas to the Cardinals and to Major League Baseball demanding access to electronic correspondence. It's the first known instance of corporate espionage involving a network breach in professional sports. Law enforcement said the intrusion "did not appear to be sophisticated." It seems likely that a personal vendetta against the Astros's general manager is involved.
Interesting (Score:4, Funny)
Right up until the point you said "baseball." In the title.
Re:Interesting (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Informative)
I have it at on good information that it stopped being cool at user ID 535826.
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Whoever told you that is clearly incorrect. The coolness dropped off later.
Re:Interesting (Score:4, Funny)
Uhhh... it was never cool. We're nerds. NERDS!!!
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WAY earlier than that.
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It was not cool or interesting by the time it got to me. I did nothing to help matters. Actually, it was interesting and still is. I do not come for the articles. I come to read the comments - I learn a lot from them. I read a long long time before I joined. I only joined so that I could ask a question. I do not, as a general rule, post as an AC anywhere. I figure my questions and comments are mine and I own them in the sense that I am responsible for having made them. This includes my many errors, this inc
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I have it at on good information that it stopped being cool at user ID 535826.
My first thought is this looks like it's going to be one of those threads where people with progressively lower UIDs start posting.
My second thought is how sad it is that I'm able to participate with a UID over 500k
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Funny)
Get off my lawn you damned kids!
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Nice to see there are still some 3 digit users around.
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** GayWAD membership kit no longer includes HIV self-test catheter.
I was considering joining up until I read this part.
Smart Sports (Score:5, Insightful)
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I actually find baseball fascinating, and I like most sports as I play several at least well enough to not look like a complete buffoon. Baseball on television can be really boring, but playing it is great. I find it unique in that even though it is a team sport, much of the action is strictly individual. And like you point out, it isn't just throw ball/hit ball/catch ball; a lot goes into just knowing when to swing, seeing as the ball is coming at you so fast that you have to decide moments after release.
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I'm sure whatever video games and or movies you enjoy don't count as "stupid", do they.
Unless you're some kind of joyless puritan.
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As opposed to a program to database the TPS reports and correlate them with the day of the week and sales of rice in China?
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That's nice and all. But the bottom line is: using all of that intellect to perform an activity that is stupid and pointless is still a waste. That's another one of those things you just have to be bright enough to notice.
The MIT baseball team always seems to be having fun.
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That's nice and all. But the bottom line is: using all of that intellect to perform an activity that is stupid and pointless is still a waste. That's another one of those things you just have to be bright enough to notice.
It's rather ironic that you posted this on Slashdot.
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Right up until the point you said "baseball." In the title.
Cue classic xkcd on tests of manhood.
Re:Interesting (Score:4, Funny)
What, I have to Google it myself?
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I was going to call you out for reflexively sneering at sports like the average Slashdot elitist. Then I remembered that we're talking about baseball, and I promptly fell asleep out of boredom.
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Right up until the point you said "baseball." In the title.
It's actually more interesting than you might think. The Houston Astro's have been a poor performing team up until very recently. They hired a new manager [wikipedia.org] that uses data driven techniques similar to those used in the book/movie Moneyball. [wikipedia.org] Since they hired him, the team's performance has improved. There is talk of him having some "proprietary information" that has boosted the team's performance.
The game of baseball has evolved more rapidly in the past ten years than it has in the previous 100. It is mo
Somebody explain? (Score:4, Funny)
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But why was it so easy to get their passwords in the first place.
They forgot to add the "5" after "1234"
Re:Somebody explain? (Score:4, Informative)
They used their ex-GM and ex-employee's passwords from their network to access the Astro's network. But why was it so easy to get their passwords in the first place. Isn't this normally not possible?
Because this:
When Mr. Luhnow was with the Cardinals, the organization built a computer network, called Redbird, to house all of their baseball operations information — including scouting reports and player personnel information. After leaving to join the Astros, and bringing some front-office personnel with him from the Cardinals, Houston created a similar program known as Ground Control.
The guy responsible for building a database for the Cardinals then got a job with the Astros (along with other Cardinal employees) basically STOLE the database when he moved. That's why the passwords for him and the other ex Cardinal employees still worked. I'd say the Astros could be in some trouble themselves.
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There's no SPYING in BASEBALL!!!! (Score:2, Funny)
Said Tom Hanks.
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Are you sure about that?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04... [nytimes.com]
Re:Learned from the Patriots (Score:4, Informative)
Cheating is OK when the reward is championships and the penalty is a wrist slap.
Found the bitter Colts fan.
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Um, the Patriots play in Boston, they are just called New England Patriots, doesn't make them representative of all of New England. It isn't like they're going to move to Maine or New York when it is time for a new stadium.
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Hmph!!! (Score:3)
That's just not cricket!
Sports! (Score:1)
MLB is little more than a corporation anyway (Score:2, Insightful)
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So chalk it up to corporate espionage. Inept corporate espionage, but corporate espionage nonetheless.
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If it's good enough for the NSA, why not MLB? (Score:3, Interesting)
Hey, if the NSA gets to violate the Constitution and spy on Americans, why not the MLB?
Sauce for the goose is great for the gander.
This is the National League's version of the DH (Score:3)
DH being the Designated Hacker, of course.
I think I know... (Score:2)
Competitive Drive Unleashed (Score:1, Interesting)
It seems the most competitive teams are often the most likely to cheat. The NFL Patriots also got caught cheating twice.
It seems a competitive drive is a two-edge sword: if you are driven to push the boundaries in sports, it seems you are also driven to push
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or maybe cheating works.. just saying.
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That would imply we've only seen a small portion of total cheating, since the known cases provide only slight advantages.
Radio DJ's Astros joke (Score:1, Funny)
Q: Why are the Astros like Michael Jackson?
A: They run around with a glove on one hand for no useful reason.
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Sadly, this joke would've worked better last season... says this guy here in Seattle.
You dumb bastards... (Score:2)
Even aside from any penalties that may or may not occur because of laws related to trade secrets, tortious somethingsomething, etc. and any MLB-imposed penalties, even merely cracking the system open for a look, and doing absolutely nothing with the data, acro
Ah baseball (Score:3)
A sport invented to make cricket look exciting.
(No offense intended. I actually like cricket.)
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It doesn't? Every time I try to watch a game it feels like it does: Kick the sand, scratch balls, swing bat in practice three times, step out of the box, adjust the elbow protector and step back in the box. Exciting as this sounds it gets a bit boring after the batter does for the fifth time without a single pitch being thrown.
one of the many things i love about baseball. (Score:1)
The Astros used the same passwords??? (Score:2)
Shoot, it sounds like the Cardinals folk who left took a database copy when they moved to the Astros.
The article says they used the same passwords as when they worked for the Cardinals (and user names I would assume).
That makes absolutely no sense. I can't think of a more idiotic security approach (on both teams parts to be honest). I would bet the Astros system was internet exposed. Otherwise, the article would have mentioned VPN access breach or something, they took the time to point out the access was
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You must be new here. Give it time. In a few years, you'll be able to tell the seasons by the color of your blood. Red [mlb.com] from April to October, blue [nhl.com] from October to May (and hopefully June someday). Any overlap will cause a sickly shade of purple, as if your cardiovascular system had been retrofitted to circulate grape soda through your veins.
And, yes, we've all pretty much written off the Rams. Any NFL team that wants to stay in St. Louis is going to
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Born and been here most of my life, living in Soulard is fun. I couldn't care less about the Rams (the almost $1 billion stadium plan with about $400m of public funding has to be against the law without a public vote, thus the lawsuit), but I would like to see the Blues be more successful. And I like MLB playoff games, so I'm usually watching the Cardinals...
Some thoughts about comments I'm reading... (Score:1)
I'm a Reds fan, so I do hate both of the teams involved. It's all very sad, since the Cardinals gained very little from this other than creating a week of gasps last year by leaking the Astros database and some internal communications where they said what they really thought about some players. Probably no real competitive advantage at all other than embarrassing a couple of Astros employees.. (Although in a few years maybe) I want to offer some rants about ideas I'm seeing here in this thread.
Houston Stole
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I'm sure the logic is that only other baseball teams would want that data anyway, so there was no real concern about a group of Russian hackers copying a database. Why be fort knox secure when you trust and respect the other 29 teams that you share billions of dollars of revenue with? Naive, yes. Intentional, no. Deserved what they got, no. (No one deserves to be the victim of a crime)
As a resident of Houston who has avoided the sport since they gave the home run title to a cheater, I have to respond to this part of your comment. If THAT was the logic, then while they may not have "deserved" it, implementing security this poor amounts to criminal negligence. There are *plenty* of others who would want the info. You see, there's this little thing called gambling, and small advantages like this is how the pros stay ahead. Strangely enough, these same pros also tend to associate with folks
"Hacked" (Score:2)
Logging in to someone else's account because they didn't change their password when they switched jobs is what passes for hacking here.