Indian Gov't Wants Worldwide Ban On Rape Documentary, Including Online 356
An anonymous reader writes India's far-right Hindu Nationalist government headed by Narendra Modi has banned telecasting and viewing online of a BBC documentary on the 2012 Delhi rape which shocked the nation. The documentary consists interviews of the rapist Mukesh Singh, his lawyers and the victim's parents seems to expose the male dominant nature of Indian society. Indian government is now attempting to ban the documentary worldwide. Critics of the Indian government's action has accused it of not addressing issues women face and instead trying to hide the dirty secrets of its culture from the world. Some Indian websites have also reported that the views expressed by the rapist are echoed by policemen, lawyers and politicians of the nation. So far the government's attempt to ban the video online is with mixed success.
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Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, "worldwide ban". Good luck with that. Indian government, the attempt at a ban says much more about you than the documentary itself does.
The fact that this incident sparked mass protests, on the other hand, shows that many people in India are good and decent, and of course abhor things like this. I wish them the best of luck in taking control of their government someday. It's something we're still struggling with ourselves on a regular basis.
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Well yeah, that is the function of censorship. The content doesn't matter.
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dunno about that.
many people want to APPEAR good and decent there.
TOO FUCKING BAD LYNCH MOBS AND DENYING TRIAL is pretty fucking far from being decent. yet statistics and probabilities say that some people in the lynch mob were rapists too.
so yeah, they got a lot of work ahead of them in being viewed as fair and civilized society.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:4, Funny)
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Most of the people in India agree with him, including women. That is the main problem with Indian society in relation to rape. It's not just "policemen, politicians and lawyers" but average people as well. Views like "women are responsible for what (rape) happens to them if they dress in a certain way and go out in the evening alone" are commonplace.
Those opposed are mainly educated people in the cities, and even among them, there's no real consensus. Remember, this is a huge country with a large portion of rural dwellers, caste system that persists in spite of being banned by government and very conservative views on many issues.
It's also a country where most people will rather buy a slightly more expensive phone than replace their outhouse with a running water toilet.
Streisand effect is working in his favour on this one, even though his intentions are obviously impossible to achieve, simply because it shows his constituents that he shares their world view.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:4, Interesting)
caste system that persists in spite of being banned by government and very conservative views on many issues.
Caste "system" is not banned and it never was. Even the British loved it as it was a nice way to divide people. Complexity of Indian caste system lends itself to creative uses.
It's also a country where most people will rather buy a slightly more expensive phone than replace their outhouse with a running water toilet.
"Most people" in India don't have an outhouse, most of those who have , don't have any running water to their outhouses.
Those with running water to their outhouses don't have any need to practice economy. So you are wrong in every way.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Informative)
1. Discrimination against lower castes is illegal in India under Article 15 of its constitution. It is however still prevalent. Not sure how your example of British rule which ended many decades ago has any more relevance to current situation than, for example, the fact that during the same period rape within marriage was completely legal everywhere Europe.
2. The obvious elephant in the room that you chose to ignore to get to claim that "I'm wrong in every way" on this one is that it's a well known and documented fact that there have been several programmes that allowed almost any Indian person to get a running water toilet for minimal price. It was widely rejected by people who preferred to put money in things like buying slightly more expensive smartphones instead. This was noted all the way up to the prime minister of India.
I'm not sure why you're so hell bent on making the "you're wrong in every way" claim as to ignore things like Indian constitution, well documented charity programmes and even PM statements.
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Is this a problem? I'm not sure about outhouses in India, but I've used them in the US. A flush toilet isn't that much of an improvement from a personal use perspective - the main advantage is that it can be inside the house. So the trade off is "having to walk outside" versus "having to walk to a room inside".
Contrast that with a fancy phone which provides comm
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:4, Interesting)
The main advantage is hygiene. That is less diseases spread by parasites in the faeces and no need to empty out the outhouse getting people into direct contact with faeces.
It takes having lived a really comfortable life to not understand this basic issue with hygiene.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:4, Insightful)
No, it's not. In fact it's so far in the opposite direction that our top scholars and professors of law are publicly referring to our policies as "madness".
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I think OP refers to policies against sexual violence that have been enacted of late in many USA universities, based on things like "if you wake up and don't remember the night before than it was rape". Several young males have been thrown out of school and tainted for life without any kind of due process - just badly handled internal procedures carried out inside their academic institution.
There's also the other face of the coin that rapes, especially when undergrads are involved, seems to be a real proble
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Insightful)
Views like "women are responsible for what (rape) happens to them if they dress in a certain way and go out in the evening alone" are commonplace.
It's pretty common here in the States as well...
No, it's not. What is common in the US is the point of view that if you do stupid, reckless things then bad people will take advantage of you. In India, the view is that if a Woman doesn't follow traditional social protocol, then good Upstanding citizens will rape her as punishment.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact the you just blamed the victim by saying it's their fault shows that it is common in the States. Most rapes are about control, so the messed up people who are rapists think that have to put women (and men) in their place. It's not the victim's actions but how people react to them that is the problem-worldwide.
No, he didn't "blame the victim by saying it's their fault", and the fact you claimed he did means you are part of the problem. Look at it this way: if I drive a Porsche into a bad neighborhood, leave it unlocked with the keys inside, and it gets stolen, are you going to say I didn't mess up? No, of course I messed up, because failing to lock the doors on your car is stupid. That doesn't mean I'd bear the responsibility for the car being stolen, but it does mean what I did was stupid, and I would partially bear responsibility for a chain of action that lead to the car being stolen, and I could maybe have prevented the car being stolen. Since I cannot control the actions of other people, only my own, what I can do to prevent my car from being stolen is to take the proper precautions: lock the doors, don't park in bad neighborhoods, install a tracking system, etc.
For women (or men: rape works in both directions, though it's generally a vastly worse problem for women, especially attractive ones), that means not wearing revealing clothing while drunk at 3AM in a bad alley, watching their drinks closely, only hanging out with groups of people they trust and know well, etc. None of that means they're the ones responsible for the rape if they do get raped: but it does mean they can lower the probability of rape happening by being smart, and since the goal is to stop rapes from happening, we should encourage them to be smart, and discourage them from being stupid.
In other words: we can't blame the women for being raped, but we certainly can blame them for being stupid. Yes, everyone should be able to be as stupid as they want with no fear of other people doing bad things to them, but so long as we live in the real world, that will never happen (though we can still strive towards it, of course), so we should tell people to stop being stupid, because that means bad things are less likely to happen to them.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Informative)
You mean the "campus rape crisis" that doesn't actually exist [usatoday.com] on the campuses where women are actually less likely to be raped than women in the general population [reason.com]? The entire thing is based on poor statistics [time.com], something for which the users of those statistics are at least as responsible for as the originators [thecollegefix.com].
Any rape is too much rape, but by creating fairy stories about the prevalence, causes and definition of rape you won't do anything useful to reduce that figure. In fact you'll probably make it worse.
Posting ac because, unfortunately, it's just too dangerous to say things like this in connection with one's IRL identity these days.
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Posting ac because, unfortunately, it's just too dangerous to say things like this in connection with one's IRL identity these days.
no it's not , I would have posted everything you did and I'm using my real identity, go find whoever has your balls and ask for them back
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Insightful)
The campus rape cause is one that that's typically been taken up by middle and upper class folks, a number of whom have been raped on campus. This is because this is primarily the demographic that ends up at university in the first place - the lower class are far less likely to end up at university.
The issue is that for that demographic, campus is far and away the most likely place these people will be raped, more so than the middle class neighbours they grew up in, and more so than the middle class neighbours they'll likely live in when they graduate and enter the working population with a graduate salary.
From their perspective therefore it is a big problem, it is the place where most rapes happen to people from their background, but the reason it doesn't look such a relative problem compared to overall rape statistics is because most rapes occur in lower class neighbourhoods, and with relatively disturbing regularity.
So you're right that rapes off campus are far more likely, but not for the people who typically attend university - if a university goer gets raped in their lifetime it's far and away more likely to occur whilst they're at university. The problem is that where the general statistics show higher levels of rape outside of university it's a result of a broader problem - the higher levels of crime that occur in lower class neighbourhoods in general.
Of course, these aren't the only two walks of life where there's a distinct rape problem- the military has a rape problem, and prisons have a rape problem.
So whilst you're right, that there is more rape outside of campus than on campus, I'd warn against using that very generalised overall rape statistic of on campus vs. off campus as a justification to ignore the problem of rape on campus. The fact is that rape occurs in these different walks of life for different reasons. Changing the culture of the military so that staff can report rapes without fear of killing their career will do nothing to lower levels of rape in poor areas where social cohesion and respect for the law has been completely lost, just as dealing with rape in prisons will do nothing to stop the preppy jock who after a few beers and a life of entitlement believes he can just take whatever woman he wants knowing they're away from home and their family support network and more vulnerable.
These are all distinct problems, and simply pretending rape has one single cause, and one single solution such that single trait campus like university rape can be ignored is counter-productive. All rape must be stopped, but there's no one single solution to do so - rape on campus isn't a fairy story for the demographic whom it's most likely to effect, it's a real problem, just like rape in the military, rape in prison and so forth also are.
The only thing that shouldn't be surprising is that the rape on campus problem has come to the fore because it's a problem that affects the demographic of society with the most money and the greatest ability to be heard - poor people, soldiers, and prisoners don't much get listened to when they have problems. Is it unfair that those folk can raise the issue more easily? yes absolutely. But it doesn't mean there isn't still a problem to be solved there.
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Crime is down to historic lows right now.
Rape is consistently underreported.
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How does blue light protect women? I know they implemented blue light in bathrooms on my campus for the reason that it's quite hard to find a vein in blue light so junkies couldn't use the areas lit that way.
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The blue light protects women by being attached to a phone [rathsecurity.com] that calls the campus police. The point of the light is so that no matter where on campus you are, at least one is always in view so that if you need the police you know which way to run.
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Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, I got about 20 minutes in before I was about to put my fist through the monitor. The main perp said that only 20% of women are decent? I though we had rednecks in the US. Nothing like these total pieces of shit.
Now I see why women avoid IT jobs with all the H1-B dudes roaming the halls.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Interesting)
Did you know that over 90% of those in prison for violent crimes are men? Men are evil! But wait - 99% of men have never had and will never have a conviction for a violent crime, so saying men are evil is flat out bigotry as bad as any Klanner roaming the backwoods with a length of rope and a shotgun.
When you project the crimes of a miniscule minority onto much larger groups, you're a bigot.
A similar principle applies here. Let's take for example this article [shaktivahini.org] which claims a woman is raped in India every 20 minutes. While it goes without saying that any rape is too much rape, this makes it sound like India is the world's rape capital. Once every 20 minutes, my god!
Except the population of India is 1.25 billion, so counting the number of 20 minutes in the year we get around 26297. Divide 1.25 billion into that and look, we get 0.00002, or two per hundred thousand, which is considerably lower than most western countries. A very different picture emerges. Yes, scumbags and psychos exist in India the same as everywhere else. No that's not an indictment of Indian society, and what they're trying to do is protect their national reputation in the same way they're prioritising a space programme over indoor plumbing.
What happens when hysterias like the feminists and other carrion creatures manufacture for fun and billions in profit take hold is people suffer and die [dailymail.co.uk], torn to death by mobs without trial or due process. Trying to spin this call for a ban into the government protecting rapists is just more of the same - the government is acting in a confused and not terribly intelligent manner, but it doesn't want the country painted in a bad light.
And that's before we start talking about dowry law abuses, domestic violence law abuses, and maintenance law abuses, of which there are a great many. A quarter of all male suicides in India are directly attributed to family problems.
So, we have well provisioned westerners sitting behind their screens, tut tutting at the dastardly H1-B dudes roaming the halls scaring off all teh wimminz, suckling at the teat of hyped up outrage, squinting myopically through their little electronic rectangles at a world they've never experienced and have little understanding of, proudly touting the merits of skepticism in their signatures while massive human suffering goes unnoticed.
Still, that outrage feels good though eh?
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I was going to reply but the AC in post #49205121 said all that needs said about your rant. But please allow one point: " A quarter of all male suicides in India are directly attributed to family problems." So? I'm surprised it's that low. Besides just plain mental health issues I'm guessing that family and business problems are the cause of most suicides, anywhere.
As far as "..a world they've never experienced and have little understanding of.." I've walked those halls for over two decades as employee an
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Let's take for example this article [shaktivahini.org] which claims a woman is raped in India every 20 minutes
That poor woman...
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"Feminists love rape, they couldn't exist without it."
You are a sad, sick little man.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:4, Insightful)
> a strange culture, who would rather put a lot of effort in denial rather than on fixing the problems
What's strange about that? Sounds like pretty much every culture I've ever heard of. Try to get "brogrammers" to admit they have a misogyny problem. Try to get _rabid_ feminists to admit they have a misandry problem. Try to get religious fundamentalists to admit they have a rational plausibility problem. Try to get economists to admit they have a "no actual clue about anything" problem.
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Insightful)
Which is precisely why the world should see this video. Because those "ideals" are far too prevalent in Indian society, and the nation should not be allowed to gloss over just how backwards so many of their people are beneath a veneer of respectability. It wasn't until this case that rape was even really taken seriously by the government itself, and then only because of mass protests.
It's not that all the people support the viewpoint by any means.
But it's important to show the world just how entrenched that viewpoint is in Indian society so that the rest of the world can apply pressure for things to change.
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The word "shyster" is not and never has been an anti-semitic slur, nor does it arise from any anti-semitic slur.
It does not mean "Jew" or even any particular kind of Jew. It has never been selectively applied to Jews.
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-shy1.htm [worldwidewords.org].
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Etymology is not always indicative of current meaning. OP may have been unaware
In any case, it's a highly dubious etymology anyway. Funnily enough, I discovered the word first in the works of that notorious anti-semite, Isaac Asimov.
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He only gets elected by local citizens though, so outrage from foreigners doesn't matter much, and may even help his election chances in his strongly nationalistic party.
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I didn't know Steisand was black...
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Well, I guess I've got to watch it now. (Score:5, Funny)
"To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem."
Bittorrent (Score:3)
Re:Bittorrent (Score:5, Informative)
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0EC1B682EFE55269F319620CAFEA9031320EA4E5&dn=bbc+documentary+delhi+rape+case+hd+720p&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337%2Fannounce
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It would be nice if someone would actually stay on and, y'know, seed this thing.
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This one seems better [magnet]
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Nope, the filesizes are slightly different. Was going to try to jump-start the original torrent using the file you pointed to, but that obviously won't work. Thanks a lot for the link, though—lots of seeders and very zippy (I got the whole thing in 57 seconds flat). Cheers.
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Download and install qBittorrent. I have two and a half shit-tons of search engines incorporated into the client. Hit the search tab, type whatever is piquing my interest, and I get results. The search also informs me which torrents are healthy, which are unhealthy, and most of the time I can figure out which torrents are bogus.
Or - ya know - maybe you could use Google to locate a torrent.
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So what's the bittorrent name for the file? I've got to grab it just in case the Hindu fanatics win.
This is the internet. The fastest way to make anything ubiquitous that can be electronically transferred, is to attempt to ban it.
I would expect bittorrent links pretty much everywhere by right about.... now.
It's on youtube (Score:5, Informative)
Here is the link.
BBC Full Documentary- 'India's Daughter' on Nirbhaya Delhi Gang Rap | Jyoti singh | HD | Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkMzBqjgw8
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torrent link to a 720p file
http://kickass.to/storyville-2... [kickass.to]
Only cowards censor (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey India: "Sticking your head in the sand ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away!"
Deal with it.
Re:Only cowards censor (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey India: "Sticking your head in the sand ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away!"
I suspect you could say that to all governments, on lots of issues.
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India doesn't want the issue to go away, because that would mean changing, and no one wants to. India wants people to go back to pretending everything's okay. That's why "shocking" documentaries are dangeours, and get banned.
It's why freedom of speech is so important: rising issues to public consciousness is the only way to resolve them peacefully. The only alternative is letting them shimmer until they reach the point o
I refer to higher powers on this. (Score:2)
Tech Support (Score:5, Funny)
How can a country that hosts so many of the world's call centers still have no idea how the internet works?
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How can a country that hosts so many of the world's call centers still have no idea how the internet works?
Well, if their understanding of Microsoft Windows support is any guide [arstechnica.com] ...
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Politicians vs. technology is in the same crappy state in India as it is everywhere. How can the US be the inventor of the internet and still have politicians who in general know nothing about this series of tubes?
Barbara Striesand (Score:2)
Who would have guessed male dominance? (Score:2, Insightful)
After all, traditional marriages are arranged by the parents, per dowry arrangements and negotiations. Parents of the bribe, I mean bride, must pay life's savings to marry off daughters. You must avoid getting stuck with feeding her and her illegitimate children for your entire life. If you can manage to marry her off, then even if her husband dies first, the custom dictates that she must throw herself on her dead husband's burning corpse as part of the ritual funeral ceremony, If he can't feed you you'
Re:Who would have guessed male dominance? (Score:5, Informative)
uh, your information is dated, they don't do the fling-yourself-on-the-pyre thing any more. It was outlawed in 19th century in India, and in 1920 in Nepal.
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs." -- Commander in Chief in India, to Hindu priests complaining that they couldn't do the Sati thing any more.
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uh, your information is dated, they don't do the fling-yourself-on-the-pyre thing any more. It was outlawed in 19th century in India,
So that makes you think it doesn't happen?
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From back when the Brits had balls and the Empire deserved that name.
Pot vs Kettle (Score:5, Insightful)
The current situation is based on current problems that can exist in places other than India (or toga parties in the USA).
um.. when did anyone on this thread ever say (Score:3)
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And yet the feminist movement is so powerful in india it can literally keep the government from outlawing raping men.
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This is where you should begin to wonder who is controlling these movements. I saw the signs women were holding during their rallies in India. Signs were in English and matching the exact rhetoric we see on signs in the US Feminist movement. "End gender based sexual assault". So men that are raped are not allowed in _their_ arguments, and neither are women raped by other women. The former is a staggeringly high statistic if you include incarceration, and the latter seems to match male on female rape by
Re:Who would have guessed male dominance? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes men are sexually assaulted by men and women. Yes men are raped by men and women. So what?
What this article is about is a culture that accepts rape and even murder for someone that dresses wrong and does the wrong thing. IFF they are women.
Your attempts of misdirection is simply pathetic.
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I saw the signs women were holding during their rallies in India. Signs were in English
Please, try not to be a colossal idiot. Before complaining, ask yourself what you're complaining about. Why would the signs be in English? Because their own government doesn't give a fuck about their rights, and they're appealing to an international audience to try to get some traction.
Just think for just two seconds instead of letting your knee jerk. Nobody fucking cares how put upon you think you are by this anti-rape movement. It's not about you.
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You are perfect example of the stupidity that keeps male rape victims from seeking justice.
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When women who are raped are treated like trash. When there is, for all intents and purposes, slavery (despite being outlawed). When an accident of birth forever brands you as undesirable and lowly. Then fuck yes, I will dismiss your culture as backwards and inferior. You had that thousand years to become decent. You chose not to.
In a fraction of that time we got rid of slavery. Women have equal rights. Rapists and child molesters are tossed in prison and outcast by the majority of people. A person
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Why, where are you? You seem to imply that you've experienced "inferior" and "oppressive" culture, and western culture. Or are you a hypocrite criticizing others for what you yourself do?
I don't recall anyone saying "inferior". If you read what I said, I just said the man isn't oppressed. You disagreed.
If that's not your meaning (that you think men are oppressed in India), then y
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You know, I can't help but think you might be right. Something that has been part of our culture for thousands of years, dating back to times before the onset of recorded history, that can't be bad.
So keeping slaves must be fine. We used to sell people who can't pay their taxes into slavery. On a side note, are you current on your mortgage payments? My house needs a new coat of paint and, well, you know, it's cheaper to just own the guy painting it than hiring someone...
Yeah, That's Not Going To Work, India (Score:4, Interesting)
Full documentary on Youtube: here is the link (Score:2)
BBC Full Documentary- 'India's Daughter' on Nirbhaya Delhi Gang Rap | Jyoti singh | HD | Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkMzBqjgw8
Will watch (Score:3, Insightful)
An issue that I never cared about suddenly became interesting. Thanks Indian government for stimulating my interest.
And thank you to the people who posted links here.
Sometimes it takes embarrasement to effect change (Score:5, Interesting)
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The rapist's comments in the documentary are pretty shocking... I suspect this perspective isn't unique to this one man and thus the government considers it an embarrassing reflection on the nation as a whole.
I just finished watching it (after DLing in case it disappears.) I find hints of "honor" and what I've heard about the Middle East and about Islam appearing as well.
.. [that] always needs protection." ... a diamond. It is up to you how you want to keep that diamond in your hand."
a) woman should always be accompanied by members of their family when outside (in public), and
b) need to cover themselves so that strangers won't lose control of their facilities (presumably by their penis.)
Are men so sexually animistic that they can't control themselves after seeing a boob? In this case it seems like the guys were out for an opportunistic "good time" and wanted to teach her a lesson for resisting.
Maybe the idea is that teenagers might be lacking in self-control and so you need to help them along. Completely blaming women and hiding them away does not solve the problem though. But maybe that is the exact procedure to keep the male leaders (family, town, precinct, area, state) in control.
Perp:
"A decent girl won't roam around at 9 o'clock at night."
"A girl is far more responsible for a rape than a boy."
So: It's not my fault, she made me do it to her.
Lawyers:
"A woman means I immediately put the sex in his eyes."
"A female is just like a flower
"In our society, we never allow our girls to come out from the house after 6:30 or 7:30 or 8:30 in the evening with any unknown person" "If very important, she should go outside BUT she should go with a [parental guardian]"
"The women are more precious than
"If my daughter/sister engaged in pre-marital activities, and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this [person] to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family I would put petrol on her and set her alight."
So: if you let your women out at night unaccompanied, they get what you deserve. And it almost sounds like they're living with wild animals roaming the streets. Well, maybe they (and we) are. Self-control, anyone?
Seems like there's also a hook to "terrorism" and "conforming to society will protect you" here, but I just can't place my finger on it quite yet. "Be somewhat afraid of the general population because they might not be civilized like you are" comes to mind.
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Are men so sexually animistic that they can't control themselves after seeing a boob?
Men from cultures which have not expected them to control themselves haven't learn to control themselves, on average. Which is why we need to bring pressure to bear upon them.
Of course, we still have rape in the west. We have the very same sentiments here, just less of them. Let's worry about our own conduct, too and not pat ourselves on the back too much for not being like them.
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Embarrassing perhaps... in my humble opinion, this is PR pure and simple. The real question is why focus on PR instead of actually fixing the cultural issues that make rape okay in India? Rape is rape - embarrassment or not.
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and want safe streets for themselves and their women
Surely you see the irony to referring to women as possessions while ranting about the plight of women.
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To be a parent you must be a "parent of someone" it is a term that requires another party. To be a woman you are not a "woman of someone" there is no other party necessary. And hence the usage of "their" is completely different, and if you didn't know that you wouldn't be able to type through the drooling over the keyboard and hence you're being deceptive on purpose. Or maybe someone made an idiotic drool proof keyboard...
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While the Government of India may be trying to ban it and the some conservative rednecks of the country hold crazy views, it seems that the majority doesn't..
It is the same Indians that are mass-protesting in response to rapes, to corruption, and want safe streets for themselves and their women: https://www.youtube.com/watch [youtube.com]?... [youtube.com]
I believe your are mixing the majority with the vocal minority, like we do so many times about so many issues.
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It's maybe not normal, but corruption is frequent inside the West. It's just the CEO knows a friend of a friend of a politician, instead of dealing directly with the politician. So it's impossible to see the secret kickbacks amongst the honest deals.
A lot of it is right out in the open, like campaign contributions. Then people just ignore it.
India is murder on women (Score:5, Informative)
I'm of Indian descent. I used to live there, and frequently visit. I speak one of the main languages. I'm well aware of their culture.
India is missing 50,000,000 girls. No typo, that's FIFTY MILLION. If you don't believe misogyny is a fundamental part of the national fabric, why don't you tell me WTF happened to these girls?
Here's another way to look at things:
Chance of being killed in Syrian Civil War: 1 in 300
Chance of dying before five years of age if you're a girl in India: 1 in 20
No opinions, those are numbers. If you doubt them, research the latest Indian census, World Bank data on child mortality, wartime data from the Human Rights Data Analysis Group, among many many others.
Is the picture becoming clearer?
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So whats the chance of dying as boy before 5? 1/25?
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The under-five mortality rate in India is 53 per 1000. In other worlds 1 in 20. Which of course means you've added "if you're a girl" for no reason other than to try and imply something that is isn't true.
Yes the child mortality rate in India is high, but it is not gender specific as you are trying to imply. Which is the antithesis of "no opinions, those are numbers".
Re:Watch "It's a Girl" documentary (Score:4)
Why?
How is that going to change that the under-five mortality rate is India is 1 in 20. And thus if it is 1 in 20 for girls then it must also be 1 in 20 for boys and thus there is no gender component or bias in under-five mortality which is clearly what the post was trying to imply. And no I don't count abortions as murders or put them in mortality rates - but I'm a godless moron headed for hell anyway :)
That it sucks to be a girl in most of the world (by population) is irrelevant to the original claim. Which as far as I can tell was "girl children die at exactly the same rate as boy children in India" - since that's what the cited statistic says.
If girl's do in fact die under age 5 more than boys, then surely there's a better statistic to cite rather than expecting to people to buy and watch a movie.
I also love the "hance of being killed in Syrian Civil War" comparison when numbers for under five mortality in Syria are easily available where the poster for the Indian number from for an actual useful comparison - and yes I realize you are probably not the anonymous coward who was trying to lie about the numbers they knew didn't support their implication.
Disproportional view of a country (Score:2)
I see this all the time on local news sites in Israel. Since 2012, rape case from India get a front page mention -- and absolutely no other kind of news from India! For the past 2 years the average reader, who has no business in India and knows nothing about it, is learning a single fact about a place that holds ~16% of all people -- women are getting raped there.
Will this documentary help in the long run? who can tell (no
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I see this all the time on local news sites in Israel.
Yeah, you should see what the news says about Israel.
see this all the time on local news sites in Israel. Since 2012, rape case from India get a front page mention -- and absolutely no other kind of news from India!
So, is there any other kind of news from India? Is there anything worth mentioning in comparison to the ongoing rape? Answer, no. It all pales by comparison. Nothing else happening in India is vaguely as interesting as how rapey they are, just like nothing more interesting than the ongoing Third Reich-esque treatment of Palestinians is ongoing.
I know about two (Score:2)
I was in Pune when a report of a rape of an Australian girl in New Dehli came through. Basically they dragged her into a bus and a mob raped her on the bus while they drove around the city, they threw her out at a hospital but she died from her injuries.
A week later another one happened to an American girl, a photographer who was with a guide. They beat up the guide and tied him up while 5 raped her over two days in a run down factory in Mumbai. What was pretty fucked up is that somehow the police made out
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Everyone is trying to make a buck and it's not that Indian men are all rapists but I think the poor have to be master opportunists to survive and some of them are rapists.
When the government insists that women are at fault for their own rapes, then there is provably an actual culture of rape. Period, the end. When these things can happen in public and no one gets in trouble, there is a culture of rape.
The fact that a small minority of Indians are protesting against it doesn't change the fact that they live in a culture which protects and even encourages rape.
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When the government insists that women are at fault for their own rapes, then there is provably an actual culture of rape. Period, the end.
Oh, there is no doubt about that however it's not the only problem that exists there. For a moment imagine driving on the roads of a country where the people can learn to drive but they can't read the road rules. Our perception of India is based on our perception of our own countries where as it should be based on barely controlled chaos that for some strange reason, works.
You do anything you would do in any western country but it's three times bigger than America's populace and still a democracy. Wonderfu
Derivative work (Score:3)
Perhaps "the cooperation of every government in the world" shall take the form of the Berne Convention. If the video contains anything copyrighted by the Indian government or by a corporation friendly to the Indian government, then anyone hosting the video is liable for copyright infringement. Not all countries recognize fair use to the same extent.
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This. Because it's been shown to work so very well as to cause any and all torrents of copyrighted material to disappear instantly and without a trace, along with any copies of said material already housed on various storage media wherever they might be found, scattered all around the planet. *nods sagely*
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Even if copyright enforcement doesn't completely stop the spread of a work among the technological elite, it still chills awareness among the general public. For a lot of people, if it's not on Netflix and it's been repeatedly taken down from YouTube, it doesn't exist. Major news media are unlikely to report on it positively, as their parent companies also own movie studios [pineight.com] and don't want to appear to condone copyright infringement.
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Sorry, but news have some backdoor in Berne. I think there was even a verdict lately (but don't remember what country it was) that said that you can't take down news with claims of copyright.
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To play along with your narrative then let me just say that trying to ban this documentary plays right into the hands of the people trying to put India into a negative light. The proper response would be to say that those guys were tried and convicted and that the government is attempting to fix attitudes and put an end to this type of behavior. Banning the documentary sends the message that instead of fixing the problem it's getting swept under the rug. Honestly from what I've read a lot of progress has