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An anonymous reader writes "Hong Kong's South China Morning Post reports that Tsinghua University, widely regarded as the mainland's top education and research institute, was the target of extensive hacking by U.S. spies this year, according to information leaked by Edward Snowden. The information also showed that the attacks on Tsinghua University were intensive and concerted efforts. In one single day of January, at least 63 computers and servers in Tsinghua University have been hacked by the NSA. The university is home to one of the mainland's six major backbone networks, the China Education and Research Network from where internet data from millions of Chinese citizens could be mined. Universities in Hong Kong and the mainland were revealed as targets of NSA's cyber-snooping activities last week when Snowden claimed the Chinese University of Hong Kong had been hacked."
The U.S. government is reportedly hacking into Chinese mobile phone companies as well for access to text messages. In related news, the U.S. has asked Hong Kong to extradite Snowden, and the petition to pardon him has met that 100,000 signature threshold required for an official response from the administration.
Snowden is on a flight to Moscow (Score:3)
http://slashdot.org/submission/2747589/us-pressuring-hong-kong-to-arrest-snowden-while-snowden-has-flown-to-moscow [slashdot.org]
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Given his alternative is likely 50 years of solitary confinement in a concrete box in a Supermax, it's hard to blame him.
Looks like Moscow ain't the final destination (Score:4, Interesting)
BBC is reporting that Moscow may NOT be the final destination for Snowden
BBC is speculating that Snowden is heading to either Ecuador or Cuba
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link to bbc article, for good measure [bbc.co.uk]
Traitor on the run! (Score:2, Informative)
**WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Snowden a traitor ??
What about the government of the United States which has violated the Constitutions of the United States ???
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I'm curious, what would it take for you to acknowledge that Snowden might have betrayed his country? A parade through Red Square? Pictures of him wearing a FRS (nee' KGB) colonel's uniform like Philby?
Kim Philby hailed as 'great spy' in Russia [telegraph.co.uk]
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Re:**WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe this was just some kind of troll or satire but just in case it wasn't, look at how Russia treats its own citizens to know that is a lot of nonsense.
Russia merely isn't happy unless THEY are running the world
Just like us.
Re:**WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:5, Informative)
I'm curious, what would it take for you to acknowledge that Snowden might have betrayed his country? A parade through Red Square? Pictures of him wearing a FRS (nee' KGB) colonel's uniform like Philby?
Kim Philby hailed as 'great spy' in Russia [telegraph.co.uk]
It's fairly simple actually, double agents don't advertise themselves in the media. You may not agree that his Whistleblowing was in the national interest, but to compare him to Kim Philby, probably the worlds most famous/notorious double agent is disingenuous at best, and government propaganda at worst.
Re:**WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Last time I checked, politicians could still be voted out of office by citizens, and corporations couldn't hold office or vote.
This is true on paper... But voting requires an informed public, the government is becoming fully opposed to this. I wouldn't vote for any politician that had a hand in the NSA's actions... But I'm not allowed to know this. If I have no way of knowing if my rights are being abused, how much, or by whom, how am I supposed to vote in an educated manner?
Transparency is a necessary requirement to informed voting, and transparency is increasingly seeming anathema to our government.
Further, it is harder to be a responsible voter thanks to politicians using money and psychological marketing techniques instead of actually talking to us like understanding people. There is no debate in this country anymore. The only issues you ever get to hear about is "Did You Know John Smith Want to Kill Your Children?!".
The only point in which your correct, is the end result of this reasoning; we, sadly, very much have the government we deserve. Which is depressing, since I never thought I'd actively be ashamed of being American. I never really thought I could buy into the idea that our government is out to get us, and has nothing but general contempt for us. These statements are becoming more true feeling everyday. I'm beginning to sound like a tin-foil hat Libertarian, of late, which depresses me since I really can't stand most of their ideology (being a far left, progressive, social libertarian).
We really need a Roosevelt (zombie Teddy, or zombie Franklin, I choose you).
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What kind of whistle blowing crusade is he on by revealing US espionage programs details to the Chinese and then seeking shelter with them? Whatever other things he may be doing, that part at least is treason.
Re:**WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:5, Insightful)
What kind of whistle blowing crusade is he on by revealing US espionage programs details to the Chinese and then seeking shelter with them? Whatever other things he may be doing, that part at least is treason.
The Chinese already know about the US espionage programs, they've been complaining about it for many years, you just haven't been listening. The US public on the other hand thinks the Chinese government unilaterally started a hacking war in the past year. Snowden is a patriot who's calling out those who would lead us into another war.
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Communist China steals our IP and infiltrates every major American corporation.
Uh, oh... and NSA wanted the IP back, I see.
The NSA is there to protect American interests and maintain a technological and strategic edge over rivals.
If you call China a rival already, why do you complain when China hacks you?
This is the cost of remaining the sole superpower in the world. So people give up the semblance of privacy, in exchange for global dominance of American policy - a fair trade.
I wonder how much of this post is kidding? Poe's law at it's best.
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I'm favoring it as satire.
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I wonder how much of this post is kidding? Poe's law at it's best.
You might find that has an unexpected application.
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I wonder how much of this post is kidding? Poe's law at it's best.
You might find that has an unexpected application.
Like what? Discovering that someone which you believed to be kidding is actually a sincere extremist, but making this discovery too late?
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I see we have the "A Team" moderating today.
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Since the founding of Communist China, the general approach to dissent has tended to involve either the threat or use of jail cells or guns.
So far the communist government has managed to kill 70,000,000 of its citizens.
Re:**WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:5, Insightful)
So...why does the NSA help build back-doors into our products? This makes them less secure, not more so.
No, this is not about good guy versus bad guy. It's about two people fighting to see who gets to be your master.
Re: **WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:4, Interesting)
Ahhhh bullshit. Snowden is a true patriot. It's the NSA who are the treasonous cunts.
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That's a rather dangerous political perspective.
Most political relevant definitions are not cast in stone.
Re: **WHO** is the real traitor ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed. He committed treason against those who, from many appearances, have committed treason (using the same definition).
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Yes because the US controls all of SA, sure that is why Chavez was allowed to control Venezuela turning into a communist nation in our own back yard and why his chosen successor was able to take power after his death. Its also why Cuba managed its continued existence thru the entire cold war.
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He can run, but he cannot hide. South America is American's backyard. There will be no safe harbor there. Any country that shelters Snowden in SA will feel the full diplomatic weight of the great Empire breathing down their neck.
There are plenty of countries that don't care. Most of them may not be a place you would want to live if you are poor. If you have a pile of money, however, almost anywhere on earth can be nice.
Re:Snowden is on a flight to Venezuela (Score:2)
Russia's Interfax news agency is reporting a source at Aeroflot airline says there is a ticket in Snowden's name for a flight from Moscow to Cuba.
If China (Score:5, Funny)
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got nothing to hide, then China has nothing to worry about.
yeah but what's usa gonna do when they start asking nsa operatives to be extradited to china for spying charges...
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So you see no difference between a random internet poster and the most populous nation on earth, Communist China, which has nuclear weapons pointed at the United States, 3,000 front companies in the US conducting espionage, and which is actively encroaching upon the territory of its neighbors, some of which are US allies?
You see no way in which they might be approached differently?
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China, that is the nation which pledged a no fist strike policy under with absolutely no conditions back in 1964 an the US later adopted in 2010?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use
How many nuclear weapons does the US have "pointed" at China? I suppose "US the good" so its OK to have a vast nuclear arsenal but "china the bad" so its not OK?
The US, isn't that the nation which bombed Japan not once but twice, when many thought they would have surrendered anyhow?
As I posted elsewhere, the US is pretty ac
Re:I am guessing that you have nothing to hide (Score:4, Insightful)
Give it a rest. The Soviet Union asked the US if they (the Soviet Union) could attack China with nuclear weapons in the 1960s to take away China's nuclear weapons and prevent them from getting more. Guess what the US said?
If you think the Japanese were ready to simply surrender, you have been getting bad history.
Let me know when China stops trying to take territory from Japan, the Philippines, India, Vietnam, and other neighbors, and then it will be easier to discuss security arrangements.
What do you call it when "tourists" travel to another nation explicitly to steal technology and import said technology when its against the law?
Let me think....
Chinese Espionage: The Risks Within U.S. Companies [forbes.com]
Chinese Espionage Campaign Targets U.S. Space Technology [bloomberg.com]
China’s Spies Are Catching Up [nytimes.com]
Re:I am guessing that you have nothing to hide (Score:4, Interesting)
In April of 1945 the leaders of imperial Japan had no illusions that they were losing the war. They began to prepare for the allied invasion of the Japanese home islands. Naotake Sato, foreign minister went to Moscow to negotiate the Soviet Union's continued neutrality in the war. In July of 1945 Emperor Hirohito sent Prime Minister Prince Konoe to Moscow to sue for peace with the Allies. It was hoped that Stalin and the Soviet Union would negotiate on behalf of Japan with the US and Britain, Konoe had carte blanc to end the war before Japan suffered even more. As I said, by this point the Japanese Emperor had no illusions of victory and unlike Hitler, was willing to do something to change this.
Japan was willing to surrender, just not an unconditional surrender that the US and Britain wanted. Now the mistake the Japanese made was sending their envoy through the Soviet union, who did not want peace between the western allies and Japan. Stalin was convinced that the invasion of the Japanese home islands would weaken the US and Britain to the same state as the Soviet Union. At the point Stalin had no idea that the US had working nuclear weapons, so an invasion was the only possible scenario as long as they did not negotiate with the Japanese. As such, Stalin blocked all negotiations between the Japanese and the western allies.
If you think the Japanese weren't willing to surrender, you have been getting bad history.
Now the western allies had no idea at the time Japan was trying to surrender. So I dont second guess the bomb. It was not until years afterwards did the western allies learn the truth of what transpired between Imperial Japan and the Soviet Union and by then they were already scrotum deep in the cold war.
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I see no reason we should fight a dangerous shadow war, while we continue to pump billions into there economy every year with free trade agreements. No I don't get that. Infact as hard as US manufacturing has been hit, China probably still needs us more than we need it.
We *could* produce everything we need. Prices would soar it would severely stress our economy but it would probably collapse China's if we simply cut off trade. If their behavior is really belligerent if they really are working against ou
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So do you have any policy recommendations for handing the 3,000 front companies that China has in the US for espionage, or their continuing efforts at hacking to both steal valuable data and establish control of systems for future use?
So far you seem to be advocating that the US simply be a target. That tends to not work out well in the long run.
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BS, the China that exists today is little more than 100 years old. There may be cultural elements that go back before the communist take over but as far as how the country is run and what is capable of nope.
China (The modern nation) is younger than the US.
An illegal war? (Score:5, Interesting)
Our own military brass has spoken publicly about how state sponsored hacking might constitute an act of war and could result in a Kenetic response. In that context the NSA has endangered our nation by potentially starting an unauthorized war with China. When will these dangerous criminals be controlled.
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Obviously we need to introduce them to the South Korean Air Force, and send them a few thousand copies of StarCraft. That should keep them occupied for some time.
If they somehow manage to beat them, repeatedly, then we can introduce them to Wikipedia Wars, and let them try to take back Project Gundam from the Japanese Ministry of Agriculture.
nsa prosecuted (Score:4, Informative)
The real question is - will the US Gov be prosecuted for their crimes ? At least these ones this guy Snowden made public. We can talk about thousands of other crimes against humanity and life later.
Nobody is talking about that.. why ? What the hell is wrong with you people ?
The 1970's is long gone (Score:4, Insightful)
The real question is - will the US Gov be prosecuted for their crimes ? At least these ones this guy Snowden made public
Buddy, the 1970's is long gone
The United States of America is no longer the United States of America of yesteryears
Our journalists no longer have the professional zeal as their peers back in the 70's
Our congress is filled with scoundrels that are as bad as the scoundrels in the White House
And most importantly, our judiciary system can no longer be as unbiased as before --- no judge would dare to rule against the man in the White House, no matter who he or she turns out to be
And our court system is no longer unb
Bet the Whitehouse will reject the petition? (Score:4, Interesting)
From petitions.whitehouse.gov: "In a few rare cases (such as specific procurement, law enforcement, or adjudicatory matters), the White House response might not address the facts of a particular matter to avoid exercising improper influence."
This allows Obama to simply say "We cannot comment on the Snowden petition, since he is subject to an ongoing legal enquiry, and we must avoid exercising improper influence."
Meanwhile, several members of government have already declared Snowden guilty of treason without trial - no improper exercise of influence there, right?
Anyone with thoughts about how the petition might have been worded to avoid this loophole?
Is it hacking (Score:3)
Whoa, hold your horses !! (Score:2)
Snowden is reportedly heading for Moscow, as we speak
http://slashdot.org/submission/2747589/us-pressuring-hong-kong-to-arrest-snowden-while-snowden-has-flown-to-moscow [slashdot.org]
Are you going to change your tune now, buddy ?
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why wouldn't they(protect snowden publicly)? they've done it publicly before for other "spies".
it's not like snowden is the first ever guy to be charged with spying.. in snowdens case though there's no singular enemy he told secrets to - just "everyone" on a wide scale. I got no doubts that moscow and beijing are protecting him from USA though, if not for anything then to spite usa.
and usa is protecting chinese, north korean and russian defectors like it's nobodys business anyways. that's the fire they're
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Yeah, that's it. Because the NSA and US government has the moral right to hack everybody and lie, even to their own citizens. Hypocrisy up to 9000.
Re:Of course they have the moral high ground (Score:4, Insightful)
against China, you couldn't even have this conversation on any Chinese network, that's why US government has the moral high ground against communist China.
Don't you find it disheartening at all that this is always questioned?
When it comes to how the nation treats its population you seldom see the U.S. compared to civilized nations.
If you use the worst nations in the world to justify what your government does then you will end up among the worst.
You can tell a lot of man by the people he compares himself to.
Re:Of course they have the moral high ground (Score:4, Insightful)
Blocking a conversation is obvious and the people know exactly where they stand...
Allowing the conversation to take place, while secretly monitoring it could be far worse, people could receive subtle comeback for expressing their views and have no idea why its happening.
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Being better than a bunch of totalitarian scum bags is hardly a thing to be proud of. Morals and Ethics are not supposed to be relative. Its like saying a guy who only beats people is better than rapist. It might be true but you still lock both of them away.
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...I'm questioning Snowden's motive of revealing US hacking Chinese university, these two are totally unrelated.
Maybe I slow today, but I don't see it how this question would be of any relevance.
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But we aren't China, we have Freedom of Speech and a much higher moral pedigree to hold ourselves up to, so what's up this that?
"Children are starving in Africa, so eat your lima beans." Non-sequitur "The Chinese government oppresses / censors its people. Be thankful the American government lets you talk as freely as it does."
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Remember, truth is entirely irrelevant. What is important is to not let anyone know you are a hypocrite!
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Let's see... five-digit user ID, excellent karma... The very image of a 50 cent army member.
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You can argue that exposing NSA's domestic spying operation is for the good of US people, but exposing hacking of a Chinese university serves no US interests whatsoever, it only gives China the moral high ground to continue its cyber attack against the US. If this is not planned by the central committee of the communist party, I don't know what is.
Nice... It's Snowden fault that NSA hacked the Chinese university, isn't it?
Or... having NSA hacking the Chinese is a patriotic gesture now?
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exposing hacking of a Chinese university serves no US interests whatsoever
I don't agree I think it serves this interest of every citizen, who wants their vote to count, who expects to have representation in our representative democracy. During the cold war, if you had asked a military commander or the President, "Do we conduct espionage and or spying operations against the Soviet Union" they wouldn't have gone into detail but they would have answered that we do.
We were able to have a sane public debate about our policy position toward the USSR.
What have today is all this secre
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Nobody can tell bigger lies than communist China (Score:2)
Re:big effing news (Score:5, Insightful)
But only one nation rides around on a high horse openly accusing others of it all the time. And that nation just got caught doing the exact thing it accuses everyone else of doing, and doing it on the scale that many didn't even think possible.
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All the nations ride that high horse. We just don't get to see the Chinese/Russian/etc. propaganda about the evil West - only our propaganda about the evil East.
Re:big effing news (Score:5, Insightful)
Factually false. Neither Russia nor China practice such propaganda on scale anywhere near that which we get in US/UK sourced media.
Source: I'm fluent in russian and follow on some of their more reputable news agencies alongside outlets like al jazeera to offset the bias from following BBC, france24, euronews and reuters. While everyone tends to blame others for wrongdoing, the scale and depth of blame laid on others is massively greater in Western media. I would describe it as the "need to promote the illusion that we have a best country, government, political and economical system them anyone else". China, Russia et al do not have a need to promote this as their citizens are under no such illusion.
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The right hand doesn't always know what the left hand is doing. This works sometimes to the government's benefit, as uninformed members can truthfully say "I have no knowledge of us spying on foreign nations," giving that much needed air of confusion / doubt.
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And that nation just got caught doing the exact thing it accuses everyone else of doing, and doing it on the scale that many didn't even think possible.
63 computers is "on the scale that many didn't even think possible"? That isn't even as big as a small botnet. That is nonsense.
Good grief, China has more front companies (3000) for spying in the US that that.
And when it comes to high horses, there seem to be plenty around here.
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But only one nation rides around on a high horse openly accusing others of it all the time. And that nation just got caught doing the exact thing it accuses everyone else of doing, and doing it on the scale that many didn't even think possible.
China is well known for violating IP rights. They are well known for seizing and copying any information they want. This is not only the US viewpoint. I have heard this in Japan, in Korea, in the Philippines, in Canada, and in Europe. So when someone accuses them of trying to copy information, not only does the shoe fit, it has CHINA monogrammed all over it and the sole pattern says China as well. When they cried foul, it was laughable based on China's reputation alone.
The US, in comparison, generall
Re: on a high horse openly accusing others (Score:5, Interesting)
Sure. Let's talk about Stasi and how they could only pull spying on much lesser scale. Surely that was also justified?
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It's the purpose of the NSA to spy on other nations. The US is neither hiding it nor apologizing for that.
Wrong, and also wrong. That's the purpose of the CIA. The NSA's job is securing our nation's communications, not unsecuring those of other nations.
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Really? The NSA has always been a spy agency. Even in the 60's they were decrypting communications of foreign governments. Wikipedia's opening paragraph on the NSA mentions spying before security as well. Where did you get the idea that they aren't a spy agency?
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I doubt that, but we will be able to do away with the 2000% projected increase that comes with them deciding that 'we need a cyber-war.'
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Re:Cyber war (Score:4, Interesting)
You almost make it sound like US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq didn't make sense. They got attacked by guys from Saudi-Arabia, not afghans or iraqis.
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You almost make it sound like US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq didn't make sense.
Did they actually make sense?
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To be fair, Afghanistan is really, really close to Pakistan, where the "bad guy" ended up being located. Also, Iraq is really, really close to Saudi Arabia, where the "bad guy" came from. They didn't invade Poland or Kenya - points for effort at least?
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Smart weapons that can hit within meters of intended target, but human error margin is in thousands of kilometers.
I suppose that gets points for being both poetic and scientific way to express reality.
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Poland agreed to the advanced missile defense systems, including advanced radar stations. They get a pass.
Kenya is safe as long as our coffee prices remain low. Starbucks just announced a price increase, so they better watch their asses.
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More along the lines of the NSA / CIA have been antagonizing the hell out of other countries for the last decade through the internet (we're talking about going well above the spying stuff....we'll say they've done some stuff that is just plain mean), then, when the other countries figure out where the majority of these attacks are coming from (surprise), they run and tell the Pentagon ("OMFG, Armageddon is coming this way. No, we don't know why. But you might want to put together a cyber-army or something
Re:I was entirely sympathetic to Snowden (Score:5, Insightful)
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I still hear people tell me English is the most widely spoken language. Anyone feel free to direct me to source stating so.
You could try Wikipedia, specifically this page: http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speaker [http]. It gives three estimates, and in one of them English is in the lead.
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Oops, URL was messed up. Try this instead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers [wikipedia.org]
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From The Link; emphasis mine:
These are lists of languages by the number of first and second language speakers. However, particularly because of large uncertainties in estimating the number of secondary speakers, all such lists should be used with caution. In particular, the lists below should be seen as tentative.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=top+language+spoken+2012&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=top+language+spoken+2012&sc=1-24&sp=-1&sk=
give you a random list of who knows who sites. One had Spanish as second
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English at top of two charts? Nope. Chinese on both. But thanks for another link that shows my point.
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When did China become an enemy of the US?
Quite the opposite, Congress granted China "Most Favored Nation" trading status in 1997.
It's only the war mongers who call China an enemy. They like to speak of boogeymen who may come in the night, to scare little children-like citizens into behaving for their benefit.
And you think that means they don't get spied on? (Score:5, Insightful)
Spying on foreign nations is the NSA's business. If you don't like that, then it is something to take up with your representitive, but I would have to ask why all of a sudden you have a problem with it, since that has ALWAYS been its business. The NSA is the US's signals intelligence agency. It's reason to be is to spy on the electronic communications of foreign powers.
Now, you can argue the US shouldn't spy at all if you like, but you do have to realise that would put the US at basically the only major nation that didn't. More or less all nations have intelligence agencies. The UK has the SIS (and the Security Service to an extent), France has the DGSE, Canada has the CSIS, Switzerland has the NDB, Finland has the SUPO, China has the MSS, Russia has the SVR (and realistically the FSB, FSO and GRU as well). Nations spy on each other. They have for a long, LONG time.
The flap with the NSA is that they have been spying on American citizens. That is something they are not supposed to do. While some countries, like China, have a unified intelligence apparatus (the MSS is their spy agency, secret police, all that jazz), the US purposely has divided agencies. The NSA, CIA, etc are not supposed to collect intelligence on Americans. That is only supposed to be done by law enforcement, and then only in compliance with court orders.
That the NSA would spy on other nations is not only unsurprising, it is the reason they exist.
In terms of China being an enemy, well you can't really think in those terms. Nations don't have friends and enemies so much as they have interests. As such other nations can align or not align with those interests to different degrees. If you mean an enemy as a nation they are at war with then no, but of course they US hasn't officially gone to war in a rather long time. However China is certainly a nation the US would have many reasons to watch. They are quite authoritarian, the military is heavily mixed up in their economy (I'm talking direct ownership of things), they have imperialistic ambitions and they have a lot of weapons. Thus it should not be surprising if the US has interest in watching them.
Also if you think the US is irrelevant, you need to wake up and have a look at world affairs. The US is an extremely influential country in a tremendous amount of ways. It is the only military superpower at the moment, it controls the world's reserve currency, it has the largest economy in the world, it exports culture (in the form of books, TV movies, video games, that kind of thing) like no other in history and so on. You might wish the US was not relevant, but it is, very much so.
Also it isn't small. Buy a globe. Or use a search engine. The US is the 4th largest country in the world by land area, and 3rd largest by population. If that is "too small" by your metric, then I don't want to know what you rank most countries (which are, by definition, much smaller).
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Because they can't do anything about you. The reason your own government is more of a concern than foreign governments is they have power over you whereas foreign governments do not. Now yes, technically foreign governments can go after someone, like North Korean kidnappings or the US drone program, however by and large they have little control over citizens of other nations.
In terms of looking at civilians, you think that is new? Most people in a country are civilians, as in not in the military. That doesn
Re:And you think that means they don't get spied o (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would I feel better about China spying on me than I would about my own government spying on me?
I'm not American, and my outsider observation of American logic is this:
1. No nation should spy on their own civilians.
2. Other nations should never spy on Americans.
3. USA can spy on civilians of other nations.
i.e. as long as the Great American People are shielded from harm (or so they think), nobody really cares what the USA government does abroad.
So yes, nobody cares about what the USA government does to "them" if they're not Americans...
Replace "spy" by things like "illegal arrest", "unfair trial", "torture", whatever, and it still holds.
I didn't say it was logical or hypocrisy free. I'm actually surprised that apparently you're not aware of this.
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Snowden's crime is sharing information with everyone.
Snowden has been referred to by such luminaries as Dianne Feinstein, who can't keep her finger off the trigger of a rifle in court, as a traitor for doing this.
Everyone is the enemy of the US government. Some of you don't know it yet. Some of you may even think that it's your friend because you work for it, or pay your taxes on time. But they have let us know otherwise. Don't ignore it.
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Whoah.
My BS and ignorance detector just hit 11.
Wow.
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1972 called (Score:4, Interesting)
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A single generals opinions does *not* make a countries policy, i hope so at least, otherwise i would be pretty worried about the things said in the US electoral campaigns.
Taiwan is an interesting issue. The obvious solution to Taiwan is: Taiwan and Chine *need* to be reunited. The division was the result of a political civil war. I hope that some day they just join in the same way east and west Germany joined at some point. If the US would feel responsible for the region they should push for negotiations wi
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A single generals opinions does *not* make a countries policy, i hope so at least, otherwise i would be pretty worried about the things said in the US electoral campaigns.
A valid point, and one I considered when making my post. I would submit that it might be indicative of the general culture over there. However, the general in question is the dean of the National Defense University. I'm pretty sure his opinions have a not-inconsequential effect on the officers and future generals coming out of there. And by not-inconsequential, I mean defining.
A look at the map reveals that China has surprisingly small territorial conflicts with other countries - and these are fueled mainly by the fact that some of these countries are under US protection. Or does anybody believe tha Japan would insist in owning some islands if they would have to pay for their own security?
This statement is not even remotely accurate. The China-Japan issues can easily be characterized as a China-US issue, but are you g
We're not at war with China (Score:2, Insightful)
Freedom fries soundbites aside.
1) We're not at war with China
2) The claim that China is hacking critical infrastructure that could kill people makes no sense. Critical infrastructure should NOT be on the net at all, let alone on a net connected to China. So NSA likely lying.
3) If America is hacking China, and hacking can kill people, then NSA hacking can kill Chinese people.
4) So either the 'kill' claim is false, or NSA has declared war on China.
5) How is hacking the Chinese SMS databases some sort of count
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so who are you in war with?
your own citizens are now the enemy?
anyhow, it's illegal for the president to wage a secret war as well. because decision to go to war is not just up to him. that's why you have abstract "wars" against abstract things like "drugs" and "evil people" - and then you have "military interventions" when you're waging an actual war.
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Wars (and threats) only exist as long as there's enough people who believe in enemies. Sometimes it only takes a few to install the images in the minds of millions.
When the facades come down it's obvious that everybody does everything, and the useful illusions are no longer valid as a control mechanism. It's therefore paramount to control the information, and the ultimate construction to achieve that is basically a totalitarian state.
To enable the p2p control and loyality to the leader and the state measure
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Enemy? China is your biggest economic partner.
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