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Gubernatorial Candidate Speaks Out Against CAS 121

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New submitter C0R1D4N writes "Carl Bergmanson, a New Jersey gubernatorial democrat running in the 2013 primary, has recently spoken out against the new 'six strike policy' being put in place this week by major ISPs. He said: 'The internet has become an essential part of living in the 21st century, it uses public infrastructure and it is time we treat it as a public utility. The electric company has no say over what you power with their service, the ISPs have no right to decide what you can and can not download.'"
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Gubernatorial Candidate Speaks Out Against CAS

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  • by crazyjj (2598719) * on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:21PM (#43004615)

    Well, at least consumers now have an obscure gubernatorial candidate, who stands no chance of winning either the primary or election, on their side. Guess that beats *nothing*.

    • by paiute (550198) on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:15PM (#43005355)

      Well, at least consumers now have an obscure gubernatorial candidate, who stands no chance of winning either the primary or election, on their side. Guess that beats *nothing*.

      You can make this guy into a major candidate by writing him a check. As a matter of fact, if he doesn't get a couple of hundred thousand checks from the Slashdot community pretty damn quick then you all might be the whining do-nothing slackers the more cynical among you have always claimed.

      • by SilentStaid (1474575) on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:30PM (#43005553)
        You make an excellent point, sir. I don't even live in New Jersey but I'll give him 50 bucks. I know it's not much, but it's what I have to give and I really do want to show (with my dollars) that I support what he stands for.

        Because whether or not you like it, that's how this government, and most others, work: Not by majority opinion, but by majority dollars.
        • You can bet there's a lawyer printing off the boilerplate paperwork to establish a SuperPAC for his opposition as we speak. Probably already done. A messenger is frantically chasing around gathering signatures, so the RIAA/MPAA will have someplace safe to dump the literally millions they're going to give this guy's opposition.

          I expect the first attack ads with the obvious stamp of whole bunches of money by the end of the week.

          • This is fine too. If they are willing to spend millions for every thousand our side wastes, then they'll run out of money before we do (maybe). Just call it a war of attrition and we are golden.
            • by Rakarra (112805)

              This is fine too. If they are willing to spend millions for every thousand our side wastes, then they'll run out of money before we do (maybe). Just call it a war of attrition and we are golden.

              Not as long as "we" (the general we) also give the opposition much more money at the same time.
              I'll bet that the OP spends more than 50 bucks in music and movie and TV and Internet (if he uses the Comcast/AT&T duopoly prevalent in much of the US). Hell I spend more than that on cable per month.

      • Can Kickstarter be used for funding purpose, I wonder?

        With stretch goals such as "save the world."

      • by Anonymous Coward

        The problem with the US system of paying for political support is that even if the slashdot community did get him elected theres no chance he'll see that again. Once hes elected the MPAA/RIAA can buy him cheap as he'll know their income wont stop. The public with their 'single issue' campaigns will never make a dent in the systematic stripping of peoples basic rights.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        You make a good point. I wish we had good canidates like this in the UK, where I was born and am currently a citizen. Neverthless, I will write him a check for $100 in your currency, just like I did for Barack Obama.

      • Here's the link for donations [bergmanson...vernor.com]. You can put your money where your mouth is. I also suggest calling him and telling him why you've donated, and what other issues he can address to maintain your support.
      • by Solandri (704621)
        Is it legal to make a campaign donation to a candidate who does not (potentially) represent you? And even if it is legal, is it ethical? People got upset at the mere thought that China was making campaign donations to influence U.S. elections. But ideologically how different is that from, say, New Yorkers making campaign donations for a gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey? Being neighboring states, I'm sure there are lots of things they disagree on. It subverts the representative democratic process
        • Is it legal to make a campaign donation to a candidate who does not (potentially) represent you?

          That depends on the campaign finance laws of the individual State. Some allow it, some don't.

          I don't know which side of the fence New Jersey comes down on, having never lived there, but it would probably be advisable to find out before donating money to this guy if you don't live/work in Jersey....

  • Common carrier (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:25PM (#43004667)

    ISPs look like common carriers and quack like common carriers. It's high time we started treating them as common carriers (i.e., imposing net neutrality on them).

    • by mill3d (1647417)
      I'm all for it. Either that or at least remove the regional monopolies these guys abuse all too often.
    • Re:Common carrier (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Jane Q. Public (1010737) on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:23PM (#43006399)

      "SPs look like common carriers and quack like common carriers. It's high time we started treating them as common carriers (i.e., imposing net neutrality on them)."

      The FCC has wanted to classify ISPs as Title II Common Carriers since their inception. It was Congress that stopped it from doing so, by passing a law that made ISPs an exception. Backed by lobbying, no doubt. There was never any real, rational reason for doing that and I have been lambasting Congress for it ever since. (That is, "corporate profit" might be a "reason", but not a good one. This situation is definitely not in the public interest. Countries that treat internet more like a utility have significantly better service at lower rates than the U.S.)

      The reality is, more than ever before, that ISPs are Common Carriers, in every meaningful way. We need to get Congress to let the FCC classify them as such.

      The moment that happens, many of these problems -- and privacy problems too -- simply disappear.

      • Privacy problems would disappear--except for legal warrantless wiretaps.

        Still, you're right.
        • "Privacy problems would disappear--"

          Yes, I meant that "many privacy problems would disappear."

          Think about it: Deep-packet inspection would simply be illegal. No question. Maybe it could be done with a warrant or subpoena, but pretty much no other way. 3rd-party cookies and pixel-bug tracking would, in any sane universe, then constitute "tapping" and would likely disappear (for legitimate reasons, anyway). Etc.

          It would go a long way toward solving many of our internet ills.

  • Having seen how government regulation works in New Jersey, I am not sure that Internet oversight would be any kind of improvement there...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:30PM (#43004725)

    I see they are going for a newspaper look,
    but the words

    are so spread out

    it makes my brain bleed

    to try and read it. and it looks like

    the articles are all smashed. together. and junk

  • CAS (Score:5, Funny)

    by femtobyte (710429) on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:33PM (#43004791)

    Finally, someone standing up against Computer Algebra Systems! Those whizzy calculators are destroying education in this country, leaving children mathematically crippled, unable to manage the simplest symbolic manipulation in their own heads.

    Yeah, I didn't RTFS beyond the headline; why do you ask?

    • Re:CAS (Score:5, Funny)

      by freeze128 (544774) on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:42PM (#43004929)
      I disagree completely! I don't think that any member of the government has any authority to dictate whether memory controllers should or should not use Column Address Select. It's a technical problem that politicians should clearly stay away from!
      • by Anonymous Coward

        I agree, the Compare-and-Swap instruction is crucial to efficient multi-threading synchronization!

      • by neminem (561346)

        I agree with you. Why should our government care if Microsoft provides us with the ability to require privileges to load custom assemblies via Code Access Security? It's not like you have to use it if you don't want to...

      • by medcalf (68293)
        You'd think the government would be all over the Central Authentication Service [jasig.org].
        • by dkf (304284)

          You'd think the government would be all over the Central Authentication Service.

          It'd be nice if they were; it might encourage someone to come up with a solid Apache plugin to handle CAS-based authentication right.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      This article is clearly about the dreaded Channel Associated Signaling. Better late than never that someone stands up and raises his voice against this atrocity

      • by tqk (413719)

        This article is clearly about the dreaded Channel Associated Signaling.

        In case anyone else wants to play:

        (0) infidel /home/keeling_ dict cas
        8 definitions found

        From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (18 May 2012) [foldoc]:

        CAS

        1. {Column Address Strobe}.

        2. (channel associated signaling) {in-band
        signalling}.

        From V.E.R.A. -- Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (June 2006) [vera]:

        CAS

  • Regardless to whether this candidate wins or loses, he offered an interesting perspective that others are forced to listen to. In my worthless opinion, one voice, leads to several voices questioning whether its feasible which leads to someone sponsoring a bill that gets debated. Its a humble process that sometimes snowballs into something meaningful. I am not so cynical that I believe his idea will change that industry overnight but I am hopeful that it gives others in power or wanting to come into power id
    • I'm glad he said it, but very few if any people are listening. Gov Christie has about a 75% approval rating and will win re-election in a landslide barring some sort of major screwup.

  • Please (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Frankie70 (803801) on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:36PM (#43004849)

    The electric company has no say over what you power with their service

    Great. What effect is this statement more like to have
    - ISPs stop telling you what you can download or not download
    or
    - Electric companies getting ideas about having a say over what you power with their service.

    • by abigsmurf (919188)
      Power companies frequently report people to the police for suspicious usage (ie if you're running lots of heat lamps). They're watching your usage patterns a lot more than you realise. Heck some power companies will turn down your air conditioning.
      • by gl4ss (559668)

        they can't turn the air conditioning down if it's on the same power feed as the rest.

        anyways.. the trick for wanabe hippie gangsters is to grow just salad in the house for the first year.

  • Though its a breath of fresh air to hear a political candidate talking like this about the internet, I feel like its too little too late. The machine is already powering up, plus who listens to obscure gubernatorial anyways?
  • My first thought from the headline was, "Why would they have a problem with Continuous Active Sonar [strategypage.com]?".

  • Way to white knight the cause Carl. I'd vote for him.
  • Bergmanson (Score:3, Informative)

    by twright0 (1877370) on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:58PM (#43005123)
    His name is Carl Bergmanson, not "Bermanson". Come on, editors, what purpose do you even serve?
  • Would it kill you to define CAS?
  • Government-adminned Internet is just as bad as capitalist-adminned. The only way to return to how the Internet truly should be is to put it in the hands of some sweaty neckbeards.
  • Yawn. The linked "article" is just a press-release from a fringe candidate. I'll be impressed if I see a mainstream candidate saying something like this and it's not just in a press-release.

  • If your consumption is much higher than the norm, they'll notify the police of a possible grow operation.

  • "it uses public infrastructure and it is time we treat it as a public utility."

    What part of "the internet" is publicly owned, outside of a few last-mile segments in municipalities that have elected to provide that service?

    Last I read, the "backbone" of internet was owned by private companies. The ISPs are private companies. All of the tiers in between them are owned by private companies.

    Or, is this to imply that Americans should consider all of that privately-owned property to be "public", because some fore

    • The most expensive, difficult, LARGEST, and publicly owned part of any direct connect service is the last mile. The ISPs must use public land or public airwaves to get to your home; they get permission from the public using public institutions (government which used to be by and for the people but that is off topic.) The same system which provides water, sewer, roads, phone, power - although some of those are too new to be public and instead are privatized at our expense (but we love to pay more so somebo

      • by tibit (1762298)

        Last mile is important, but quite often the long haul is also done with hidden and perhaps forgotten but still significant public subsidies. In many places the long haul fiber is carried by the power utility companies, tucked inside of their high voltage lines.

  • There are often terms of service for any utility, and part of those terms can easily be that you do not use the service of that utility to break the law.

    So yes... electric companies *can* say that you aren't allowed to use it to power things when you are using those things to commit a crime, such as powering heat lamps to illegally grow marijuana in your own home.

    The only thing that might be argued to be wrong with this is that there may not necessarily be any tangible proof that a particular ISP subsc

  • Whether or not ISPs can dictate what you can or cannot download should be directly related to whether or not they can be liable for you gaining access to illegal material. If they have no liability, then they should just bug off. If however the copyright holders can go after your ISP for allowing you to violate their copyright then it is in the best interest of your ISP to see that you do not.
  • The biggest problem with getting copyright law reformed is "How do you get a few million more Americans to care?". Thanks CAS for solving that problem & guaranteeing this will be a political topic soon enough.

  • And if his website weren't thoroughly slashdotted, I'd be checking out exactly what he stands for.
    (NJ's governors tend to have earned their rep as things you wouldn't want stuck to the bottom of a shoe)
        (no really, you don't want a hysterical corrupt hypocrite stuck to the bottom of your shoe)
            (actually, it applies to both parties for about every office in the state)

  • It is pretty ironic that a gubernatorial candidate, is speaking out against complex adaptive systems when his democratic party itself is one.

  • I was just wondering about this the other day. I was thinking, why isn't the internet more like a utility? I mean, it's large enough and it's got to the point where most people almost have to have internet access. No one should have a say of what I do with that access / bandwidth.

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