Printable AR-15 Mag Gets More Reliable; YouTube Pulls Video of Demo 450
Wired reports that the 3-D printed AR-15 magazine from Defense Distributed we mentioned a few weeks back has been improved through design, and is now robust enough to last through firing (at least) several hundred rounds, rather than fewer than a hundred as in the previous iteration. CNET says the video demonstration on YouTube was first yanked, then restored, but as of now seems to have been yanked again.
Yanked? (Score:5, Insightful)
The message says it violates Youtubes police against "spams, scams and commercially deceptive" videos..
How, exactly? Is google jumping into this dumbshit political dickwaving contest now?
Re:Yanked? (Score:5, Insightful)
They've been in the political dickwaving contest for a long time now. Guess who's side they're on?
The stupid side. (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact is, most people don't know how easy it is to make guns. They imagine that it requires loads of highly-specialized and expensive equipment, plus a lot of training in some esoteric art, in order to produce guns.
They further imagine that this makes production costs high, which serve as a natural limit to how many guns are in circulation.
Of course, this is pure rubbish. None of this is even remotely true. Utter nonsense.
But that doesn't stop most people from seeing this whole gun-printing fiasco as a means of upsetting that (completely mythical) economic balance. They think this makes it a lot easier to make guns, and therefore more people will make and have guns than ever before (in HUGE numbers). Further, since having guns makes people turn evil, everyone we love (including ourselves) will be put at MUCH GREATER RISK of being shot than EVER BEFORE!!!
Again, this is pure and utter nonsense. But it is what the majority of the people seem to believe, and fear. Fear produces irrational responses, which are driving youtube to yank a video.
It sucks that we must share the world with stupid and irrational people, but there isn't much we can do about it. They outnumber us, and they always will.
Re:Yanked? (Score:5, Informative)
First strike (Score:2)
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Assault crossbows on youtube? Time to call the think of the children brigade!
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I've had one falsely marked as spam/scam/deceptive for being nothing more than a simple video about an obscure bad shareware platformer. My simple, polite appeal explaining that it's a gameplay video was rejected.
Deceptive provenance (Score:4, Informative)
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I contacted DD yesterday and reported they had pulled the video, the sent me a link to "part 2" here:
http://youtu.be/xY16r6EkUNY [youtu.be]
Good one Youtube (Score:5, Interesting)
Streisand effect for the win.
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Insightful)
Streisand effect for the win.
Basically that's where this is headed. "The more you tighten your grip, the more this is going to slip through your fingers." We're basically headed down the path of building our own weapons from scratch, just like what has happened in warzones elsewhere.
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Like Africa - they take a standard openbed truck, add a mounting point for a machine gun and turn it into a "technical".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(fighting_vehicle) [wikipedia.org]
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Yup. Trying to censor content like this is the best thing gun-grabbers could possibly do to ensure its publicity. So, keep it up, guys! All you're doing is helping us.
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:4, Insightful)
No gun can be made full auto "easily".
There are plenty of so called "trigger bumpers" that make them fire very fast, but they also tend to make them jam.
And lastly, despite your final solution for the NRA, how are you going to round them up if they have their guns?
That is exactly what the 2nd amendment is intended to prevent.
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Insightful)
Not to mention that putting all the NRA members in one place wouldn't change anything, unless you were going to nuke it from orbit. If you think they'd have some massive shootout with each other, you are buying into a bizarre paranoid delusion portrayed by the media. More likely, they'd all stand up and say "we're tired of this crap" and march on DC to throw out all the Marxist a-holes.
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Been rumblings of a 'million gun march' on DC for years now.
Obviously provocative. Bet it would be the lowest crime day in living DC history.
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More likely, they'd all stand up and say "we're tired of this crap" and march on DC to throw out all the Marxist a-holes.
"Marxists" in Washington. I love these idiots.
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Insightful)
Met a lot more paranoids at Berkley and Occupy events then I ever did at the shooting ranges.
Self described "Peaceful" and "Tolerant" people are the most intolerant I know.
Round us up. Kill us if we resist.
Yeah. Tolerant and peaceful.
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:4, Insightful)
Met a lot more paranoids at Berkley and Occupy events then I ever did at the shooting ranges.
Since most events as the shooting range aren't political, that really ain't much of a surprise. Go to a tea party rally and see what happens to that count of paranoids.
Self described "Peaceful" and "Tolerant" people are the most intolerant I know.
Yeah, yeah people who disagree with you are hypocrites and people who agree with you are great guys. Oldest self-deception in the book.
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Sorry, the Tea Party comment is pure falsehood.
Show me something that even compares to the rape, destruction, and general mayhem of the Occupy events.
You won't find it. You will find some nut cases spraying spit on a senator as they yell at him. You will find some that broke laws, outside of the rallies.
But you won't find the kind of widespread systematic crime that you find for OWS.
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Gosh, you got me there. You are sooo right. I shall go hang myself in shame.
Not.
You got gamed, because you read with your preconceptions set to 11.
At the bottom of the article:
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My problem is that you can't follow your own logic. You said that:
So, by your logic, shooting range is not political, but those same people are at Tea Party rallies, and they are as paranoid as OWS.
Me: OWS != Shooting range
You: Shooting Range + Politics == Tea Party
You: Tea Party == OWS
and I pointed out that no, you won't find the behavior o
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Met a lot more paranoids at Berkley and Occupy events then I ever did at the shooting ranges.
Being paranoid is unfortunate. Self-righteous "Occupiers' are annoying. But they don't massacre schoolchildren, or blacks in hoodies, or put bullets in the heads of senators. More likely the only violence they're involved in is getting beaten up and tasered by cops.
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I will watch out for British Squaddies then.
This appears to be true of the military issue version, not the civilian "sportster" model.
It is also mentioned this modification means the bolt is never in full battery, which in turn means it can fire a round without the chamber fully closed. How do you like your eyes after they have been burned out by bits of brass casing and burning powder and possibly shrapnel from a shattered chamber?
Want them sewn shut, or left open as a horrifying reminder of how stupid it
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we could just round up all the NRA members, put them in a stadium with their guns and unlimited ammo for 24 hours and let their paranoia solve the problem.
You want to put the equivalent manpower of the entire Chinese military, the "People's Liberation Army", consisting of a vast number of well trained vets, enthusiasts, marksmen, competitive shooters and police officers in one area...and give them unlimited ammo? That's a pretty revolutionary idea that might actually solve some problems...but probably not
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Do you know the difference between assault rifles and assault weapons?
Assault rifles area used by the military and police have reliability and tested designs.
Assault weapons can be anything including a squirt gun or paint ball marker that looks like a military issue. Assault weapons don't have and can't have the fire rate or reliability of their military counterparts. Comparing assault weapons to assault rifles is like comparing windows 3.1 to windows 7. Just he cease you can make windows 3.1 look like wind
Can of worms (Score:3)
Being able to print gun parts is a much bigger issue then YouTube yanking a video. The current push for gun control doesn't address this issue at all. It would be funny if it didn't have so many implications for society at large. Printable guns are going to happen. Printable guns will be disposable and untraceable. Why keep a gun when you can print another.
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And by the way, very few people care about this shit except gun nuts like you.
Nope, nobody [politico.com] else [reason.com] cares. Not one [usatoday.com] bit [google.com].
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:4, Insightful)
To summarize the position advocated in your multiple links:
"I don't have the balls to defend myself effectively, so it's necessary that we restrict any people who might have the balls to defend themselves effectively!"
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I'm not arguing for gun control. I'm saying that
"I don't have the balls to defend myself effectively, so it's necessary that we restrict any people who might have the balls to defend themselves effectively!"
is pure flamebait, i.e. a post made to intentionally provoke angry responses from the people you're referring to.
This:
The weak want to depend on a subservient police force to protect them. The strong understand that they cannot rely on a police force
is more flamebaitery combined with more than a little masturbation: I'm so strong because I know I can't trust the cops! Fuck yeah! Ugg! Ung! Urk!
Not relying on authority to protect you may be wise, but it has nothing to do with strength or weakness, and your bizarre faux-nietzschean romanticizing (which is hilarious in sad sort of way) wi
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Interesting)
I care because these guys are going to get 3D printing criminalized and encourage government support of curated computing.
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Interesting)
Now this is a very good point. Will people have to register 3D printes with Homeland Security now?
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Funny)
Will people have to register 3D printes with Homeland Security now?
No, you will have to register 3D printers with the BATFEP (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Printers), but only if you buy two or more semi-automatic printers capable of printing items larger than 11 inches in any dimension with a detachable plastic-ink cartridge in a 5-day period in a state that shares a border with Mexico [atf.gov]. Alternatively, you could just drive to Oregon to buy your printer and avoid the registration, sales tax and electronic waste fee.
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Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Insightful)
Here is a fun fact for you. I can 3d Print an AR-15 Lower receiver right now. Print it in wax, add the sprues and dip it in the silica to make the lost wax casting form. Cast it and with very light machining I have a unregistered AR15 lower. This process is EASY for someone that has a clue. if you have access to a multi axis CNC machine I can print out lowers from blocks of aluminum all day long.
Yet the Govt does not make it illegal for me to have a forge or a CNC machine. Stop fearmongering.
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Gun nuts could learn a lot from car guys. We know how to keep stuff quiet, not be a bunch of whiny babies, and stay on the good side of the law.
[offtopic tag in effect]
You should know better than to talk absolutes on slashdot of all places ;}
Because these guys say they are car guys too. It was just a week ago.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22499576/tammerlin-drummond-perhaps-oaklands-reputation-played-role-doughnut [insidebayarea.com]
Thou I must admit, in Oakland, pissing off everyone on the freeway, there is something to be said for us gun nuts self control - not a single one of these ass hats got shot!
No I am not condoning doing so, just shocked to h
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm completely serious.
When is the last time Congress held hearings about limiting your right to own whatever car you want? When is the last time the President of the US went on a tour to promote his plan to curtail what car accessories you can own or buy?
There's no need for you to stand up and decry the ridiculousness of an onslaught of bullshit legislation. Gun enthusiasts don't have that option. There are people who've been trying for longer than either of us has been alive to strip the American people of the ability to own entire classes of firearms or even all classes of firearms. We take a stand, we make noise because we have no other choice.
LK
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:4, Insightful)
When the first cars came out people cared a great deal, and wanted flagmen to walk ahead of every car...you really don't know the history of this.
Yeah yeah and buggy whip makers were upset that they were going to soon be out of work... That has nothing to do with the world of today.
Not about trying to cut down on gun crime, that's a ridiculous cover.
More people were killed with hammers last year than with the kinds of guns they want to prohibit.
Most gun violence is committed with handguns, but they know there is no political will to enact a handgun ban. Semiautomatic rifles are an easy target because the average person doesn't have a very good understanding of the difference between a military weapon and a civilian firearms that looks similar to one.
If you're a chess player, you learn to think about the moves to come. That's what we're doing.
LK
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the people making the laws are utterly incompetent and therefore shouldn't be allowed to make the laws anyway.
Now you've said something we can ALL agree on.
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3D printing is unsuitable for guns because 3D printed objects are weak, unreliable and deteriorate quickly under heavy use. There's a reason industrial 3D printing is called 'rapid prototyping': it's not good enough for final products.
That said, there are other ways to assemble a reliable metal magazine, but CNCs still aren't banned.
Re:Good one Youtube (Score:5, Interesting)
You are wrong. Steel and stainless steel parts can also be 3D printed.
Not directly. You can 3D print patterns which are used to make molds for casting the parts in steel. I certainly don't know of any home 3D printers which actually print in steel.
No, he meant what he said. Laser sintering makes high strength metal parts directly. The resulting product is very strong and a variety of materials are available. This is already being used to make implantable joint replacements. I have had a few one-off parts made this way, and the results are impressive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88BPmL8cGAo [youtube.com]
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Given that people do steal shit, that doesn't give you the right to kill them.
In a civilized society, that gets you charged with murder.
Capitalists steal stuff all the time. That doesn't give me the right to shoot them. Although there are some anarchists who will disagree.
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I once heard a lecture by James Allen Fox, the criminologist.
He was complaining that the penalties for petty crimes in the U.S. are irrationally severe. The example he gave was, somebody breaks into your car. It's a crime, and he deserves to be punished, but ten years? "Get a life."
He was talking about sending somebody to jail for ten years. You're talking about killing somebody, just because he broke into your car. There's such a thing as proportion. There's no justification for killing somebody just becau
NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:5, Interesting)
Why is this at all important? You can make a magazine 'the old way" with a spring, some sheet metal, a spot welder and a metal brake (something that bends sheet metal). Yes, it takes some skill, but you're saying that a 3D printer is at the level of an iPhone?
The canonical 'assault rife', the AK-47, is pounded out in factories that look more like garbage dumps than anything else. If you look at pictures of the magazines you see a bunch that look, well, rather primitive. But they work.
This is not rocket science, folks. It's machine shop 101.
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but 3d printing makes it easier for the masses to make it!
never mind bubba could probably bang one of these out using a car door and JB Weld in half the time, think of the children
Re:NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:5, Funny)
"The Children" do not want an AR-15. They want an EMP gun.
As a matter of fact, so do I. Ammo is getting hard to get.
Re:NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:5, Insightful)
Ammo is not hard to get.
Ammo is in short supply only for the highly uneducated idiots. The rest of us that actually know something about guns have plenty of ammo, a lifetime supply of ammo.
I have at least 20,000 primers on hand (cheaper to buy a full case) and about 9000 bullets that are FMJ.
Last time I went to the range, I came home with another 5000 spent brass that I tumble to clean up and start reloading. 5.56 reloaded rounds cost me $0.12 each. 7.62 cost me about $0.15 each and take almost no time to reload properly. In fact my reloads are way more accurate than anything you can buy in the store.
A friend is a machinist and has made a casting block to make his own 5.56 bullets out of lead. we are going to try shooting his home made bullets in reloaded rounds this spring.
IF they ban the bullets, those of us that chose to learn will not run out of ammo.
The funny part is, most of the people making the run on guns and ammo are liberals that dont agree with who they elected.
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"Highly uneducated idiots?" "Lifetime supply of ammo?" Reloading supplies are also getting increasingly difficult to find, and you're going to need a lot more than a reloading turret if you want to be self-sufficient in primers, powder, and fresh cases.
What you have will likely last you until the AWB panic peters out, but you haven't thought this through any more than the pre-Connecticut "idiots" who weren't reloading 9mm.
Re:NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:4, Informative)
Training soldiers and sailors has ALWAYS been more expensive than equipping them. The only exceptions to those rules are pilots. But - if I extend the training to include not only the pilot, but all the support personnel required to arm, fuel, and maintenance the aircraft - then yes, training is still more expensive than the weapon.
Or, maybe you thought that an aviation electrician's mate was born with all that knowledge? Or an aviation ordnance man? Aviation structural mechanic? And, there's a whole boatload more support personnel!
Re:NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:4, Informative)
This is not rocket science, folks. It's machine shop 101.
Notice they don't have machine shop in high schools any more. Hell, when I was a kid we has metal shop in the 7th grade, that has LONG since been done away with, along with chemistry clubs, rifle clubs, and pretty much anything geared towards giving people knowledge and skills to do things themselves. Chemistry isn't even a requirement in high school any more, and if you want to try buying something as simple as a beaker or test tube, or the equipment to blow your own glass, you'll end up on a DEA/ATF watchlist almost instantly and suddenly discover difficulty when traveling via airplane or crossing the border.
At one point in time almost anybody with a little time could cobble something like this together, but these days we've managed to make people dumb enough and removed enough basic manufacturing skills from our society that it's really not a common skill set. But if these 3D printers get cheap enough, you won't need any skills, equipment, or know-how.... just a credit card and an electrical outlet.
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There are plenty of things that can be made manually instead of using a 3D printer, but you need *some* expertise to do so, even if it's minimal. With a 3D printer, you just need to know how to operate the printer -- and they're becoming easier to use and cheaper every day.
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Magazines are simple devices, but actually producing quality, reliable magazines is out of reach for most people. With this, someone
Re:NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:4, Interesting)
WireEDM the magwell and the rest is pretty much doable in a drill press.
Barrels are the really hard part. Luckily there are oodles of barrel makers and plenty of supply. AR uppers can be mail ordered (they are not classified as firearms themselves, unlike the lower receiver)
Metalsmiths have been making guns forever. Most of them buy magazines, because they are too cheap to make yourself. Same with barrels.
The problem with the 3d printing is that they are not using clean slate designs that are appropriate for the materials used in the 3d printer. Copying something made from metal out of plastic isn't usually a good way to make a successful item. (I realize there are 3d printers that make metal objects, they are even more out of reach of the masses)
Re:NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:4, Informative)
Magazines have traditionally been made out of metal because it was cheaper, not because metal is better.
Re:NOT ROCKET SCIENCE (Score:5, Interesting)
An AK47 made from a shovel. http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!?p=2695046&viewfull=1#post2695046 [northeastshooters.com]
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An AK47 made from a shovel. ...
That's priceless. But as far as I can tell, he only made the receiver (the controlled part that is actually the gun as far as U.S. law goes), and had to buy the other parts. It's still hilarious, though.
I'd like to see a really simple design for a full-auto submachine gun that can be put together with a 3D printer and parts from a hardware store. For that, we need to fall back on simpler designs, like the Sten gun or maybe the MP 3008 [wikipedia.org]. I mean with a subgun, I figure rifling is optional. How accurately can
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Thing is, hi-cap mags are really irrelevant for most crime. Sure, if you make them illegal, you'll turn people owning them into criminals - just like when you make weed illegal, you turn weed users into criminals. But how, exactly, does it help anyone?
Besides, the usual scenario in which hi-cap mags are even raised as an issue is all those killing sprees. And guys doing them couldn't care less about the legality of their preparations - they do not intend to outlive their performance. And it's not like they'
Intellectually Dishonest (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Intellectually Dishonest (Score:4, Funny)
The video ... is not sexual
Says you. Phwoar!
Google is only a company (Score:2)
Private YouTube (Score:2)
Re:Intellectually Dishonest (Score:4, Insightful)
No google hosts content so that it can get users to log in and allow cookies so it can mine data that can be sold to advertisers. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything that costs it money, like defending content on the basis on first amendments rights, is likely counter to that profit mission. In particular most advertisers do not want to be associated with weapons of mass murder, and it is the advertisers, not the end users, that are the customers.
Now, google at one time said it would do no evil, but doing no evil is far from doing good. I mean I can go into a school, threaten to kill everyone, and then not do it, and claim to have done no evil. Google never said it was in business to make the world a better place. It is in business to make a huge profit, while causes minmal damage to it's victims.
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but isn't it sad that violence and gore is more acceptable than sex? Show a beheading in one of Tarantino's movie is ok, but show a penis on the screen and it's x-rated?
How is it sad? We all know that no one is going to kill anyone from watching a movie, so it's okay to be desensitized to violence. However, almost everyone is going to have sex at some point, and being desensitized to that would be terrible.
I'm glad people don't walk around naked, because I want nudity to be special.
Re:offtopic... (Score:4, Insightful)
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I am also glad people don't walk around naked.
Because, frankly, the overwhelming majority of people look awful enough wearing clothes, much less naked.
Being able to ogle the one percent who would look pretty nice naked wouldn't make up for the 99 percent who would blast your retinae and convince your brain to shutdown rather than remember what you just saw....
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I'm glad people don't walk around naked, because I want nudity to be special.
I'm glad people don't walk around naked because I have some modicum of taste and decorum. The vast majority of people really, really need to leave their clothes on.
Re:offtopic... (Score:5, Insightful)
One of the (many) problems with your proposal is...who gets to define the rules as to who is allowed to exercise this 'privilege'. Remember...any power you give to an administration you like, you also grant to the next administration which you may not like.
Re:Easy. The government. (Score:4, Insightful)
Name an administrator's policy which has directly or indirectly caused harm to you or your family, and where a gun has defused the situation?
I can not name a traffic accident that I was in where a seat-belt saved my life. I still buckle up when I go for a drive.
LK
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I'm not arguing against guns. I'm arguing irresponsible use of it and the media makes it look easy especially for the impressionable little ones. Hell, look at youtube and all those kids who tried to do Parkour after James Bond came out and ended up hurting their dumb selves. Gun ownership shouldn't be a right but a privilege, just as some people shouldn't have kids until they're mature enough to be able to take care of oneself before taking care of another living thing. That's what annoys me about the 2nd amendment...it guarantees the individual to own a gun, even if such individual is a complete moron and doesn't even know the rest of the Bill of Rights.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make - but do you agree that the right and proper way to go about it is to repeal the 2nd and replace it with a new amendment, by usual procedure - rather than passing laws by the Congress, or by executive order of the president?
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...but show a penis on the screen and it's x-rated?
Naturally; how else are the priests/preachers and politicians supposed to keep us from figuring out what's actually on their minds? :)
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Billboards in Europe have penises? Interesting. Where would I have to look for vaginas? You've really got me curious now!
Whew. (Score:2)
Spam, scams or commercially deceptive? (Score:3)
Now the question, is that because someone has figured out it is the best way to get Google to react fast, or because a AR-15 magazine manufacturer is protecting his business?
Without being able to see the video, how much of a commercial sales pitch could this be anyway?
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See my earlier post. Magazines for 'assault rifles' are not high on the list of Difficult Things To Make. The order fulfillment / paperwork / advertising aspect of selling these things is likely harder. If you want one, you go to Shotgun news and order it. If they make it illegal, you go to Shotgun news and order the version that has a plastic tab glued in the bottom so it 'only' holds three or seven or whatever number of rounds is OK.
Bring on the matter compilers. (Score:3)
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How can you make an item illegal if anyone can print it out? How
Ban unauthorized possession of RepRap "vitamins" [reprap.org].
I wonder if they've improved on the military issue (Score:2)
For all the service members still in, if defense distributed could start making reliable working functioning products not by the lowest bidder, and somehow get them to the troops, it'd be a life saver.
just like miltec would give free militec-1 dry weapon lube to servicemembers
http://www.militec1.com/
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I've got 30 or so magazines from different makers. Not once in thousands of rounds of shooting have I had a jam and I load all magazines to capacity.
All have magpul followers, and 12 or so are actual magpul pmags. The rest are the standard metal grey 30 round magazine.
On the subject of guns (Score:2)
Apropos the gun control debate, note that the media is starting to paint Christopher Dorner [google.com] with mental illness.
In particular, this quote from The Daily News [dailynews.com]:
"His chilling statements, found on his Facebook page, portray a deeply intelligent and opinionated man, one who promotes gay rights and gun control, but whose mind has unraveled, likely due to mental illness, paranoia and possibly unresolved trauma, experts said Thursday."
He wasn't mentally ill before the incident, or when he was with the LAPD, but he is now that they want to catch him.
We've seen a number of these "I've got nothing to lose, I'm going out with a bang!" cases recently. What's with that? Has there always been spree killings, but weren't reported widely until recently? Has something changed in society?
(I've
Re:On the subject of guns (Score:4, Insightful)
Sometimes I wonder about Aaron Swartz. Given my propensity to being similar in thoughts, I often find it odd he would have simply given up without a plan. I've reached a conclusion that perhaps his suicide was part of the plan. Because he just didn't have the resources to fight the corrupt system, and he figured he would be better suited as a martyr than to go down and serve a thirty year prison sentence.
Although who knows, perhaps mental illness got in the way. One thing is for certain: copyright law killed him.
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As for Dorner, I have many questions about that as well. I think his heavy moral conviction drove him to this, and there's more corruption in the police than just kicking some man while he's down. Why would he lie about that incident? It doesn't make any sense -- I get the feeling things are terribly, terribly wrong with the police he was working with.
Especially when I read things like this: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-shootings-newspaper-carriers.html [latimes.com]
I don't know who's on the moral side, right now. Dorner has clearly become a vigilante, but he seems to do it out of vengeance, and his willingness to draw their families into it is excessive and completely morally obscene. On the other hand, the police are way out of line.
Ultimately I think the FBI should dispatch a very thorough investigation into the the local police as well as finding and stopping Dorner.
Re:On the subject of guns (Score:5, Interesting)
The media, especially CNN, which is now driving an anti-civil rights agenda. You may notice the lack of "used a weapon for self defense" reporting. It doesn't fit with the agenda. You're right about the copycat events. Pretty much everyone, including the media, seems to accept that current restrictions on 2nd Amendment civil rights are "reasonable, common sense" ones.
Obviously, without the widespread media reporting on these violent episodes, copycat crimes would be reduced. Time for some matching "reasonable, common sense" restrictions on 1st Amendment rights. <sarcasm>No one needs a high speed printing press, or electronic media. These should be restricted to government and military use. Journalists should have to undergo background checks before being allowed to publish. Small, portable copy machines should be subject to registration. Reporting of violence should be pre-approved by the government.</sarcasm>
These suggestions are analogous to restrictions to 2nd Amendment rights which are already in place and considered acceptable. Think of the children.
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I'm betting that someone from a TLA put pressure on youtube
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Its the fact that you have disenfranchised the people who support you.
Ultimately, it will be trivial for them to cut the supply lines to cities and there will be f***all you can do about it.
So, just keep it up...
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You underestimate how unenlightened is the self-interest of our tyrants.
They have intransigently pursued a narcissistic course creating a civil infrastructure so fragile that it hardly requires organized or coordinated attacks to inflict unacceptable cost. Mere recognition that one should, entirely at one's convenience and leisure, inflict whatever damage one
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Twenty men, twenty rifles.
Fifty men, fifty rifles.
One hundred men, one hundred rifles.
One man has no chance of taking a tank, twenty guys might though. They won't be taking anything though without arms. Same goes for commandeering the drone control facility. You don't seem to understand that the second amendment isn't about one mans ability to rise up against tyranny, it's about the militias. But if you take one mans weapons, you take the militias. Your arguments are tired, pathetic, and lack any depth to what the forefathers envisioned.
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Are you referring to DefDist or YouTube?
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Equal footing with whom exactly?
Cos you're really going to be able to stop the tyrannical government with your AR-15 vs their cruise missiles and drones.
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The Viet Cong have to face drones?
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So, you're saying that bitcoins were NOT invented to be a form of currency? Because here I always thought that using currency to buy things was the "normal" use, as opposed to an example of "misappropriation"...
Or are you just trying to say that anyone who does something you disagree with is evil?
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Care to explain how some guy buying weed with Bitcoins, or another guy 3D-printing an AR mag in his garage, affect you at all and "ruing technology for everyone else"?
And what does it even mean to "pervert" a technology? Bitcoins are designed as currency - currency, by definition, is used to trade goods. Drugs are a subclass of goods, so using Bitcoin to buy them is using it as intended. 3D printing is designed to produce objects out of plastic. Magazines are a subclass of plastic objects, so using 3D print
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I know, people should stick to the more socially acceptable expressions of their rights and not stray towards anything controversial.
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"Just 'cause I can" is pretty much the basic underlying motivation of the entire hacker subculture. See also: "just for fun" etc.