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An anonymous reader sent in a link to an article in Wired about the latest DMCA loophole hearing. Bad news: the federal government rejected requests that would make console modding and breaking DRM on DVDs to watch them legal. So, you dirty GNU/Linux hippies using libdvdcss better watch out: "Librarian of Congress James Billington and Register of Copyrights Maria Pallante rejected the two most-sought-after items on the docket, game-console modding and DVD cracking for personal use and 'space shifting.' Congress plays no role in the outcome. The regulators said that the controls were necessary to prevent software piracy and differentiated gaming consoles from smart phones, which legally can be jailbroken. ... On the plus side, the regulators re-authorized jailbreaking of mobile phones. On the downside, they denied it for tablets, saying an 'ebook reading device might be considered a tablet, as might a handheld video game device.'" So you can jailbreak a phone, but if it's 1" larger and considered a "tablet" you are breaking the law.
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  • They told me... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AntiBasic (83586) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:03PM (#41771921)

    They told me if I voted for McCain, we'd see a technology incompetent administration increasingly beholden to media conglomerates... and they were right.

    • Re:They told me... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Nethemas the Great (909900) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:12PM (#41771991)
      That's cute but... The Register of Copyrights is appointed by the Librarian of Congress. James Billington was appointed by Reagan.
      • Re:They told me... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Charliemopps (1157495) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:32PM (#41772657)
        I believe the OP was trying to make the point that there's no fucking difference between Republicans and Democrats, their all beholden to their political sponsors, and he was completely correct in that. You, on the other hand, are trying to defend your party of choice by bringing up some obscure appointment that happened 30 years ago, as if the current administrations hands were tied and they could do nothing to stop it... when you know for a fact that's not the case. Keep towing that party line and the next thing you know we'll all be monitored 24/7 by our government overlords and the president will be able to order US citizens deaths without so much as a pen stroke... oh wait... fuck... Good job buddy. Hope your children enjoy the world you made them.
        • Re:They told me... (Score:5, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25, 2012 @11:01PM (#41773639)

          Keep towing that party line

          Toeing. The phrase is to 'toe the line', not to tow it.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by VortexCortex (1117377)

            Sure, "toe the line" is the standard expression for conformance to ideologies or rule-sets, however "Towing the Line" could be seen as a clever modernized variant whereby you not only conform, but then drag those lines of rhetoric into your Slashdot posts.

        • Re:They told me... (Score:4, Insightful)

          by interkin3tic (1469267) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @11:37PM (#41773807)
          I know everyone is frustrated with the election and disillusioned with Obama, but really... "+5 insightful?"

          I believe the OP was trying to make the point that there's no fucking difference between Republicans and Democrats, their all beholden to their political sponsors

          With an example that does not in any way support his claim.

          You, on the other hand, are trying to defend your party of choice...

          He brought up a fact. How is that trying to defend anything other than reality?

          by bringing up some obscure appointment that happened 30 years ago

          An obscure appointment that happened thirty years ago which just happens to be relevant to the discussion right now.

          as if the current administrations hands were tied and they could do nothing to stop it... when you know for a fact that's not the case.

          Speaking for me, it's possible, but I don't know it's a fact. I don't know anything about the library of congress or much about the Obama administration's influence over it.

          Keep towing that party line and the next thing you know we'll all be monitored 24/7 by our government overlords and the president will be able to order US citizens deaths without so much as a pen stroke... oh wait... fuck... Good job buddy. Hope your children enjoy the world you made them.

          I think you argued against yourself there: you suggest that he shouldn't justify the administration because things will happen that already are happening.

          I think there are a few steps you skipped over from thinking that Obama was better than McCain to 1984. I'd suggest that Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Communist, whatever is not the problem. Nor are special interests. The problem is the voters. They willingly gave up their rights. You could have zero lobbyists, no parties, a million parties... doesn't matter. If voters are scared into being willing to give up their rights for security against some boogeyman like terrorists, someone is going to offer them that deal in exchange for votes.

          Obama and McCain were both willing to do that, sure, but given that situation, I'm glad we at least got healthcare out of it. I also suspect McCain and the republicans would have repeated Bush's play of cutting taxes without reducing spending. "No fucking difference?" This is the same slashdot that thinks there's a world of difference between Windows Vista and Windows 7, right? There are differences between anything. Neither option may be completely perfect, but that doesn't mean there aren't important distinctions between the two.

        • by jelizondo (183861)

          You insensitive clod!

          Think of my children... And they are not even American citizens...

        • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2012 @12:57AM (#41774169)

          These are actually steps for the taking over of ANY democracy full of greedy shits and morons, but I've written it specifically for the US of A, reword as necessary for use with some other alleged democracy: (Note, a violent overthrow is never effective in a large, prosperous country, and there's no reason to try, especially when it's likely to be so ruinous to you, and unlikely to be successful in the face of the massive amount of force the military could bring to bear. Also, if you follow these steps, you'll find there's an easier, quieter way, unlikely to get you jailed or killed, AND, more importantly, it doesn't risk harm to the precious GDP the somnambulant populace keeps churning out each year...)

          Step 1. Get a bunch of rich assholes together, convince them to form a conspiracy to rule the United States of America. (Or if you're rich enough, and you're enough of an asshole, do this all this by yourself.)
          Step 2. Through a program of massive brib^H^H^H^H campaign contributions, buy control over the Republican Party.
          Step 3. Through a program of massive brib^H^H^H^H campaign contributions, buy control over the Democratic Party.
          Step 4. Attain control over the news media in the country; use it to distract the country from the fact that you now own the government, for all intents and purposes. Have the parties grind the government to a halt, and paralyze public discourse by chumming the political waters with bullshit that doesn't matter, like the use of the word "retarded" or, well just about any other thing, pretending that cultural minutia are somehow a more important topic of discussion than national policy. Bombard people with warning after warning about how much danger other nations' "extremists" present, so you can continue to ensure the cowardly populace will quake with fear and cede their rights to your puppet government if only it will keep them safe, as they quietly piss, not only all over themselves, but also all over the sacrifices made be the great patriots who wrested our country first from the hands of the English, then from those of the Native Americans, then from the French, the Mexicans, the Russians, and finally from the Polynesians. (No, I'll pull no punches here, as you can see.)
          Step 5. Use the control you've corruptly achieved to ensure that each party picks ONLY people whom you are okay seeing get elected, to nominate for public office.
          Step 6. Have the "elected" officials you own appoint people to the Supreme Court of the United States who will support continued power grabbing by the legislative and executive branches, since the power the "elected" officials have is now really YOUR power, and you want to maintain and expand it until you're not only above the law, but so far above it that you are in effect, a king.
          Step 7. Use the legislature you now control to ensure that certain groups of people are continuously disenfranchised, and are in a position either to starve, or have to work like virtual slaves, such as "illegal" immigrants, blacks, and anyone who can't see for himself the value of a good education.
          Step 8. Use the court system you now corruptly control to issue judgements that ensure people have progressively less freedom every day, to keep money flowing into the coffers of the corporations you control, such as the movie and music industries. This will also increase the freedom and power you have through your ownership and control of corporations, which are now classed as "people". (Forgetting of course, that these "people" are functionally immortal, and cannot be punished the way a real person can, by being jailed, for instance.) Periodically siphon money out of the system through taking advantage of the poorly regulated financial sector, robbing people of their retirements, and laughing all the way to the Cayman Islands, while they continue to slave away until they're dead.
          Step 9. Reduce funding for education, because, AND NEVER EVER FORGET THIS: education is your enemy. By this point, you can do most of this remotely, from som

    • Re:They told me... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Penguinisto (415985) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:06PM (#41772435) Journal

      I'd just like to tell them to consider this [alachuapolitix.com] while they're at it.

      Since when is the mere act of possessing or using free software on a strictly local basis a fucking crime, anyway?

    • Re:They told me... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@gma i l . com> on Thursday October 25, 2012 @10:59PM (#41773619) Journal

      "I believe the puppet on the right has MY interests at heart...well I believe the puppet on the left shares MY beliefs!...Hey wait a minute, there's one guy controlling both puppets!"...Bill Hicks.

      The man has been dead over 20 years and if anything his words are more true now than they were then, if you think EITHER puppet will give a shit about what you think or want you are delusional, its like walking up to Ronald McDonald to complain about the bad service you got at the Mickey D's in Dallas. They are just puppets, they smile, they wave, they kiss the babies and sell you bullshit, no different than Ronald.

      You can join the tea party, grass roots your ass off, it just doesn't matter because you can't change a corrupt system by working within that system...why? Well because the system is corrupt so they'll just change the rules so you can't win, duh! Look up John Stewart on Ron Paul where he has clip after clip of the MSM treating Paul as "he who should not be named" and when one of the reporters finally says to the news anchor "Hey we are talking more about Christie and Palin who aren't even running than Paul who is and gaining in the polls" the news anchor says "Well if you get footage of Palin or Christie send it in, you can keep the Paul stuff" complete with a douchebag smirk on his face.

      I would urge everyone to watch this video about voting [youtube.com] before Nov 6th because frankly he says it better than I ever could. people have been voting for fricking DECADES against the corporate masters, all for naught. You simply can't change a corrupt system from within that system, anymore than playing 3 card monty for a hundred years will let you finally find the lady. Its a scam, a hoax, its a game those at the top play to make the peasants be docile and think they have a say. Its nothing but pro wrestling kayfabe, where they act like they hate each other then get taken to the same resort by a lobbyist after the cameras quit rolling and find out what they are REALLY gonna do.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:04PM (#41771933)

    I'm sure hoping for some good changes.

  • by FudRucker (866063) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:06PM (#41771953)
    considering the freight train load of criminal activity they perpetrate every fucking day of the year for decades. and just recently what comes to mind is smuggling guns to mexico, drones murdering innocent bystanders in their lame attempt at killing militants & terrorists, bailing out banks after they criminally squandered billions of dollars, and that is just a few recent things, the list could be made so big that even /. wont let it be posted
    • by MightyYar (622222)

      Sigh, I remember when it used to be that stories about watching DVDs on Linux would get hijacked by anti-Bush fanatics. Drones are the new Bush I guess.

      • The Americans are having an election, in most countries this means you quietly cast a vote, in the US there's nothing quiet about it and only half of them cast a ballot.
  • duh (Score:2, Insightful)

    To be fair, it IS illegal to play a dvd on an unlicensed system because, well quite frankly, liddvdcss never paid the license fee and reverse engineered the rather crappy css encryption. I know that isn't what slashdot wants to hear, but the FBI is there to enforce these kinds of laws, and this IS illegal.
    • Re:duh (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:17PM (#41772017)

      What unlicensed system?
      Everybody who's playing DVDs on Linux already has a license, because they have a licensed DVD player in the computer, and already paid the Microsoft tax.
      The patent holders can't ask for more than that.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I really hate to agree with the copyright holders on this one, but...

        DVD players arn't licensed. And even WinXP didn't come with a license: http://www.pcworld.com/article/166586/cant_play_dvds.html

        Also, I don't buy crappy computers...I build my own and run Ubuntu

    • Re:duh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by xmundt (415364) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:17PM (#41772023)

      Greetings and Salutations;
                America, alas, has WAY too many laws. I think this is a side effect of the recent foolishness that has defined a corporation as a "person", and, the unregulated ability of lobbyists for the industry to flood the government with cash to get laws which hurt the consumer and help business passed. I certainly agree that artists should be compensated for their output - after all, their creativity is exactly what we are paying them FOR. However, the only profitable part of the recording industry is to produce content.
                Perhaps the best course of action would be for a groundswell of support by consumers to get the law repealed is the correct answer here.
                pleasant dreams
                dave mundt

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      To be precise, it IS illegal to play a dvd on an unlicensed system because, well quite frankly, liddvdcss never paid the license fee and reverse engineered the rather crappy css encryption.

      I know that isn't what slashdot wants to hear, but the FBI is there to enforce these kinds of laws, and this IS illegal.

      FTFY. There is nothing "fair" about the situation. Legality and ethics are orthogonal scales, as this clearly illustrates.

    • Re:duh (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Selivanow (82869) <selivanow@gmail.com> on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:19PM (#41772039)

      I don't see any properly licensed dvd software being offered for sale for linux systems. Seems like it is a market that needs to be filled.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        There is... Fluendo DVD Player, made by the same guys behind GStreamer, the same media framework used by GNOME.

      • by Firehed (942385)

        Sure, but that doesn't mean someone legally allowed to fill the market must do so. There's a huge market for $1000 Ferraris, but you don't see them rushing to fill it.

    • Re:duh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ThatsMyNick (2004126) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:24PM (#41772085)

      What license? Why do you need a license to write your own code? Reverse engineering has always been legal. Or are you talking about patent violations? I agree it is not legal in the US to violate patents, and we could be sued for it. It is not criminal though, and not really FBI's job to go after civil disputes.
       
      And FYI, the article is about breaking DRM, not about patents or copyright. Breaking DRM is criminal. But there are exceptions like jail breaking your own phone (god, I am repeating the summary). The question is why is there no exception for breaking DRM to simply watch the content you legally own? These two sound pretty similar to me.

      • by bdwoolman (561635) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:49PM (#41772775) Homepage

        IANAL. But selling you a locked box you cannot open is self contradictory. The idea that you sold me something (not licensed...sold) and I can't access any part of it runs counter to every principle of private property. What if I sold you a suitcase and said, "By the way, dude, there is a locked compartment in it to which I have the key. You can't open it to take the brick out of it. So you will have to carry my brick wherever you go or I will sue you and have the authorities arrest you for theft if you break into my private compartment in your suitcase and remove my property. It is a complete fallacy to contend that I would retain any claim to that compartment if I sold you the case. And you would be well within your rights to break the box and take out the brick. To say otherwise runs counter to the very nature of the process of 'sale'.

        The DMCA is beyond a miscarriage of justice it's a coat-hanger scrape job on the lady herself. Has this absurd provision ever had a constitutional test? I do not think any US Attorney has brought a case against a person for watching a DVD with unlicensed encryption software. Or for backing up a DVD. They went after the hapless dcss coder with a vengeance as I recall. But a schmo watching a DVD on Linux? Can anyone recall a case? I can't. Please correct me if I am wrong. IMHO a law no one can or will prosecute is no law at all.

    • Re:duh (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Nethemas the Great (909900) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:24PM (#41772089)
      I think the point of the post was more about the clueless decisions made by an 83 year old and his equally clueless appointee. In fact there's no mention of the FBI enforcing the law against open-source software users of DeCSS or libdvdcss. To date I never heard of them ever doing so.
    • Re:duh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by future assassin (639396) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:24PM (#41772091) Homepage

      this IS illegal.

      In the eyes of the gov yes, in the eyes of joe citizen consumer who paid for their media and who thinks its beyond rediculious no to be able to play a dvd movie on a dvd drive in a computer with out breaking a law or watch that same dvd on other devices by extracting the information into another format its not. I'm one of them and I could care less about insane laws that make criminals out of citizens that want to use THEIR OWN PAID FOR PROPERTY as they wish in their own home/residence.

      • Re:duh (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Nationless (2123580) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:09PM (#41772457)

        That's not how LAWS work.

        If the government has declared something illegal you just can't use "But sir, I don't agree with said law" and walk away from the crime without any consequences.

        Is the government wrong? Probably, but you should focus on changing the government to change the laws rather than just breaking the law and hoping for the best.

        • Re:duh (Score:5, Insightful)

          by amorsen (7485) <benny+slashdot@amorsen.dk> on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:25PM (#41772593)

          Is the government wrong? Probably, but you should focus on changing the government to change the laws rather than just breaking the law and hoping for the best.

          Should you? It is unlikely that you will succeed, copyrights and patents have support from both sides of the spectrum. Right wingers think "people are taking stuff for free" and left wingers think "people are ripping off artists".

          Meanwhile, no one is likely to prosecute you for watching a DVD you own. What exactly do you gain from not doing that?

    • Re:duh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Firehed (942385) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:44PM (#41772233) Homepage

      Yes, that's technically true.

      However, that's only illegal because we invented "better" laws to make something that was already illegal (unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material) "more" illegal (breaking the encryption used to prevent the former).

      Politicians need to stop rejecting these "we need better tools" lobbyist-created laws and tell them to use the perfectly valid tools they already have in place. I know this will never happen, but wishful thinking. Being illegal - in terms of the letter of the law - is a pretty binary thing. I think content producers should have every right to sue people for distributing their material, but we don't need to give them stuff to make gumming up the legal system with their stuff any easier.

      It's like the arguments claiming that it would be legal to drive high if we legalized marijuana: of course it's not - that's both a DUI* and reckless driving. You don't need to add a new law for driving high because it's already illegal under other laws. Distributing copyrighted content that you're not the rights-holder of has been illegal since we introduced copyright, so adding the DMCA** was completely unnecessary.

      * There are slight differences between DWI and DUI, and the meaning varies slightly from state to state. Many places are intentionally vague on the meaning of "under the influence" to (rightly) catch non-alcoholic substances that impair one's ability to safely operate a vehicle.

      ** The law is fundamentally flawed anyway, as it's outlawing a specific implementation of an undesired behavior. It would be like making murder by bludgeoning someone with a lead pipe illegal. Great - I'll just use a knife instead. You're trying to stop the murder, not the misuse of lead pipes. As such, it'll be obsoleted by the next major round of technical advances.

    • by amiga3D (567632)

      To be fair everyone in the US is a criminal. There are so many laws on the books that it is impossible to not break the law. How we got here from "That government which governs least....." is incredible. We've got laws upon laws upon laws. Seat belt laws, helmet laws, I mean the government just wants to micromanage every part of our lives. The upshot is that they've gotten so stupid and silly with it that no one gives a shit about the law. It's ridiculous and everyone knows it. I mean really, you buy

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Lumpy (12016)

      I thought the FBI was there to catch real criminals and solve real crime, not be the enforcement arm of the corporations.

    • Re:duh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @10:43PM (#41773527)

      liddvdcss never paid the license fee and reverse engineered the rather crappy css encryption. I know that isn't what slashdot wants to hear, but the FBI is there to enforce these kinds of laws, and this IS illegal.

      This has nothing to do with license fees or with reverse engineering. You have the right to reverse engineer CSS and write your own DVD playing software. You are only a criminal if you tell me how to do it.

      Yes, you read that correctly: you are a criminal if you explain to someone else how you defeated a copy restriction system. Unless you are a researcher, publishing your work in a journal (no, your blog does not count), because as we all know, scientific journals are supposed to sit around on shelves in university libraries collecting dust. Oh, yeah, and researchers never make their code available to anyone, and should you dare to make a hyperlink to some other person's webpage that explains how to crack a restriction system, you are also a criminal. Or maybe not, because Google has plenty of those links, and nobody has prosecuted them.

      Get back to your corporate job, citizen. What the hell are you doing programming your computer without being paid for it, and why the hell would you share your knowledge or skills with other commoners? Why can't you just be like everyone else and separate your work from your hobbies?

  • SNAFU (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SolitaryMan (538416) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:08PM (#41771969) Homepage Journal

    The law is still fucked up, nothing to see here

    'ebook reading device might be considered a tablet, as might a handheld video game device.'"

    And if some corporation pays enough, it also might be considered a tractor.

    • Re:SNAFU (Score:5, Funny)

      by Dyinobal (1427207) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:16PM (#41772015)
      Damn I hope they do this because then I can get some agricultural tax breaks and government assistant to subsidize my ever growing ebook collection.
      • by c0lo (1497653)

        And if some corporation pays enough, it also might be considered a tractor.

        Damn I hope they do this because then I can get some agricultural tax breaks...

        You know... if xxIAA pays enough, it will be the tractor to be considered a tablet rather than the reverse.

  • by Joe_Dragon (2206452) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:11PM (#41771981)

    so how locked in will they let pc's get?

    To the point where they can ban web sites that don't go the way they like as far as being so they can ban all Democrat or Republican web sites and only show the ones that fits there views?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      No, the point is that a proprietary and completely arbitrarily chosen format such as DVD is NOT open by its very existence! There is nothing natural or prior art about the DVD format and it is one of a myriad of viable ways of storing video. The format isn't even going to exist in 2020 because of the limits on video quality the format has. Instead of crying about not being able to pirate something do what the people who made OGG and Theora did and make a better, open, format.
      • by King_TJ (85913)

        I'm not quite sure how your post was modded so "Insightful" .... but regardless?

        The POINT is that we all *realize* the arbitrarily chosen DVD format is proprietary/closed, and we're complaining to point out the utter stupidity of such a move by the motion picture association and related companies!

        Of course there's nothing "natural" about the existing DVD format, or some reason it has to be done the way they did it. They simply came up with ONE method of storing the bits digitally and then locked it down, de

    • by Microlith (54737)

      As locked down as tablets and game consoles. There was an additional exemption sought outside smartphones and tablets that was also rejected. So unless it's a smartphone, there's no exemption to bypass the security.

      This is why the DMCA needs to go.

      • What is the word-for-word definition of "smartphone" this time? If it's anything like it was last time, which amounted to a device capable of making voice calls through a wireless network, then one could argue that any console with a game supporting voice chat is a "smartphone".
  • Wonder what the Librarian thinks of the French library during the French revolution. It got better, and lousy administrators lost their heads.
  • When my phone is as powerful as a PS3 and can connect to my HDTV over HDMI and can connect to my bluetooth wireless controllers, can I unlock it and play games on it?
  • by Fishead (658061) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:21PM (#41772055)

    It's time to stop buying these game consoles that cannot be hacked and these DVD's they don't want us to watch.

    I have resisted setting up the DVD player since we moved (4 months ago) because the restrictions placed on me (Macrovision!) by the manufacturer inconveniences me. If I could buy a DVD without previews that I could have playing within 10 seconds of loading into the drive, I might be interested in spending money, but it just annoys me and I would rather not support an industry that treats their customers this way.

    • by amiga3D (567632)

      I haven't watched a DVD in over 2 years. I bought a bluray player that I have never watched a movie on. In fact I only own one bluray movie and that's my wife's copy of The Sound of Music which I have bought for her on VCR tape twice, One fullscreen DVD and one widescreen DVD and now on Bluray. It's her favorite movie and she's watched it at least 100 times over the 32 years we've been married. She made me watch it 3 times but that is my limit. I actually liked it okay the first time I watched it.

  • An easy solution (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:21PM (#41772059)

    Don't watch DVD, download higher quality .mkv from pirate bay instead.

  • Yay old people! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NIK282000 (737852) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:29PM (#41772123) Homepage Journal
    When I was in high school (early 2000's) I used to wonder how they were going to teach lawmakers and enforcers so they could cope with all the new crap that was being made. Were they going to send them all to schools to teach them how networked computers worked or maybe hire a bunch of IT advisors? I was being way too optimistic, its been a decade of incompetent, ignorant, old people making and enforcing laws without an understanding of what they are making laws about. Why is there now law requiring knowledge and education in the field for which you make and enforce laws?
  • Not so fast (Score:5, Interesting)

    by macemoneta (154740) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:29PM (#41772125) Homepage

    I've bought a dozen retail DVD players (standalone and PC) over the years, each of which came with a license either in the form of internal firmware or standalone software. I have two DVD drives still in use, both in Linux PCs. I should have plenty of licenses - if that's what they in fact are. The idea that I can hold a dozen licenses and yet not be authorized to play legally obtained content on two surviving drives because someone in the MPAA doesn't like my completely legal operating system is an abomination of logic, reason, and ethics.

    • by Nrrqshrr (1879148)
      Your operating system is completely legal... but it doesn't pay the MPAA, sadly?
    • by retchdog (1319261)

      i am not a lawyer, but i think i'm right on the following. anyone out there who knows better, please correct.

      the license is for manufacturers, not users. you don't need a license, and if you had one (you don't, btw; the license isn't bound to the unit) it would be irrelevant unless you were selling dvd players. the license isn't bound to the unit in any meaningful way; it's better to think that the license allowed the unit to be made. further, if the dvd-rom depends on a software player to handle css (which

  • by EzInKy (115248) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:30PM (#41772131)

    So I guess I'm good then.

  • The media you paid for isn't owned by you, you just paid a fixed amount for the right to use it for an undetermined period. The media-player you just paid for isn't owned by you either, you have paid a fixed amount for the right to use... blah blah blah. Basicall: spread your legs further for this big corporate d**k, please.
    • by iive (721743)

      This is exactly the reason for the existence of the First Sale Doctrine.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25, 2012 @09:19PM (#41773019)

      The media you paid for isn't owned by you, you just paid a fixed amount for the right to use it for an undetermined period. The media-player you just paid for isn't owned by you either, you have paid a fixed amount for the right to use... blah blah blah. Basicall: spread your legs further for this big corporate d**k, please.

      That's why all media I "own" is served by the Pirate Bay and other torrent sites.
      No revocation possible, I can pass it to my heirs. They can use whatever system they want to watch the content etc... Paradoxically if you want to own content don't buy it. Get it from the pirates, the benefactors of humanity.
      The RIAA/MPAA is never going to see another cent from me ever again. Should the artists start selling directly to consumers with none of this DRM bullshit I'll bite. Otherwise I'll walk towards the pirate bay never to look back again.

  • Screw off Fedaralis! viva Linux!

  • Isn't lock in a form of anti-trust?

  • by hackus (159037) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:18PM (#41772531) Homepage

    This has nothing to do with copyright. That is a strawman.

    This is really about destroying open computing systems, which is an obstacle to building a police state.

    The idea is to lock down, data, and technology and only allow it to be in the hands of anyone who has an approved license.

    This means ebooks, technology instruction, mathematics or anything with critical independent thinking which is critical to a free society.

    Right now they are testing the waters.

    They will never stop until they get either everyone dead, what they want or they themselves are destroyed.

    Many of these people are at the point of media control and propaganda, including Ted Turner which is one of the most diabolical globalists I can think of in the areas of information control and dissemination/disinformation and programming.

    These people are incredibly arrogant and brag that they think you should be dead, and that watching anything else except Globalist News Channels on T.V. makes you a radical and a terrorist.

    They continually enforce the ideas of nullification of anying except communism and fascism with constant messages driving home the fact that you cannot own _anything_ you buy, you are not permitted to use _any_ information unless it is authorized by they themselves.

    These people have access to military hardware and advanced weaponry to enforce their brutal tyranny with anything from SWAT teams entering homes to execute any who resist if they are found simply copying or downloading DVD's.

    They are incredibly dangerous people and they become more dangerous by the hour.

    -Hack

  • by Nyder (754090) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:47PM (#41772767) Journal

    “ebook reading device might be considered a tablet, as might a handheld video game device.”

    I can sort of see the logic of an ebook reading device, but a handheld video game device? No.

    Smart Phones are Mini tablets. They can run the same OS, same Apps. (IOS & Android). This is only shows how stupid the people in charge are.

     

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25, 2012 @09:56PM (#41773255)

    Thanks to a little known case against GE, it is now legal to break DRM to watch a move or play a game.

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/23/29099.htm [courthousenews.com]

    >Merely bypassing a technological protection that restricts a user from viewing or using a work is insufficient to trigger the (Digital Millennium Copyright Act's) anti-circumvention provision," Judge Garza wrote for the New Orleans-based court.
              "The DMCA prohibits only forms of access that would violate or impinge on the protections that the Copyright Act otherwise affords copyright owners."

    This referred to GE cracking a hardware dongle to use software. If that's not a violation of the DMCA, then nothing that simply enables use is a violation.

  • by kimvette (919543) on Thursday October 25, 2012 @10:52PM (#41773577) Homepage Journal

    Exclusion directly from the DMCA, emphasis (boldface and italics) added:

    `(f) REVERSE ENGINEERING- (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.

    `(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and (b), or for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title.

    The purpose of DeCSS is not to infringe copyright. It is in order to be able to use the content one OWNS (yes, you OWN that copy, just as you OWN a book). That some use it to infringe copyright by redistributing works they do not have the right to distribute is beside the point. The primary purpose of DeCSS is interoperability. Period.

    What part of running software (the DVD) on Linux-based systems is not interoperability?

  • by sgunhouse (1050564) on Friday October 26, 2012 @02:21AM (#41774565)

    There are (commercial) programs which can legally play encrypted DVDs on Linux. Now if you were looking for free (as in beer) or open-source programs, that's a separate matter ...

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